I'd say pretty well 100% of them. Oh sorry! - just spotted that G on the end. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ward [mailto:HAL2001@shaw.ca] Sent: 02 April 2012 17:05 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada

A few thoughts, Lou. First, people didn't live as long in those days, so perhaps retirement never came. I think many old people moved in with relatives, sons and daughters for instance, which was the case with my family. Looking at census records, you'll often see mother or father-in-law living with the younger set, and many older people just kept on working, depending on what they did for a living. Now that you've raised this topic, I think I'll scour my census records and see if I can find any older rellies still working. I'll report back on my findings. Regards, Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Mills" <louis_mills@att.net> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:16 PM Subject: [LIN] 19th century retirement I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" early from her job in a local city. Luckily she has a pension in addition to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she had and the work she did. It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late 1800s. What was senior life like for some of them? What were the "cushions" provided since there were few pensions. I have seen a few Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had any money to lay away for retirement. I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to work until they died. If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I suppose. Who is our expert in this area of family history. I know my mum came from working class roots. You could tell that from her attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a "real job", she once told me.) But my mum also envied a portion of her extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it). I assume it was possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made them and sold them. I'm weird that way. So what can you tell us? Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Annie and George aged 6 and 4 if I remember rightly, and only in for 4 days - the school admission/discharge books are on the Boston Workhouse Part 1 CD. So are all the minutes, but there were no Beldings mentioned in them! Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John redders Sent: 02 April 2012 17:00 To: Eng Lincs Subject: Re: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans Thank you Anne, that's interesting about the children in the workhouse school, I wonder who they were? Shame about there not being any minutes to look at, but at least it confirms that the family were in Boston in 1866.It's often difficult to search the Belding surname, so many wrong transcriptions, almost as bad as someone who cant spell parents! The records of the Poor law Commissioners would be at Kew? John > From: duncalf@one-name.org > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:02:02 +0100 > Subject: Re: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans > > Two Belding children are in the Boston workhouse school in 1866, taken > out by their mother. There is no mention of them in the minutes, not > under "Belding", anyway. > > What should have happened is that the Relieving Officer of the > district where they lived would have reported their case to the Union > in which they resided, a decision about what to do with them would > have been made, and the unions relative to their settlements would > have been contacted. Therefore you have a chance of finding something > in the minutes, or perhaps other records, of the Union in which they > were living at the time, and in the minutes or other records of the > Unions to which they were sent. There is no correspondence for Boston > Union for that time period, but there may be something at London in > the correspondence sent by the Poor Law Commissioners. > > Whatever, it would have been for the Guardians of the Union in which > they resided to make the initial enquiries. The parish officers would > simply have done what they were told. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John redders > Sent: 02 April 2012 14:09 > To: Eng Lincs > Subject: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans > > > On 3rd February 1866, John Walker Belding died in Newington, Surrey, > and in December quarter of that same year, Mary Belding, his wife > died, leaving 8 children as orphans. > So what would happen to the children if grandparents/family weren't > able to care for them. I suppose it was the parish in where they were > living at the time, or was it the parish in which they were born? > According to the census of 1871, Prior Aylward Belding, born 1864 in > Newington, Surrey was in an orphanage, the Spurgeon Orphanage in > Clapham, his brother William born St Luke, Middlesex, was in an > orphanage in Bristol, brother George born Boston, well I can't find > him in 1871, the other children were in Boston. > Where would I find records of such decisions, if there any? > > > > John Readman > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jim, You can search here http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/bastardycases.html All the ones I have found so far are there, by year. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ward Sent: 02 April 2012 17:05 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:35 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Only two this week, I'm afraid. It will be a fortnight before I go to the library again. LRSM = Lincoln, Rutland and Stamford Mercury Full details from the newspaper appear below; I have no further information. LRSM 16 May 1856 Boston Petty Sessions 14 May An application was made by Ann EATON, of Sutterton, singlewoman, for an order upon Benj. JEFFERY, of Algarkirk, for maintenance of her illegitimate child. Mr. YORK appeared for the applicant, and Mr. SNAITH for the defence. After hearing, the order was refused for want of sufficient corroborative testimony. LRSM 23 May 1856 Lincoln City Petty Sessions 22 May Henry JOHNSON, aged 18, apprentice to Mr. C. CURTIS, butcher, Guildhall-street, was adjudged to be the father of the child of Mary MACKINDER, and ordered to pay 1s. 6d. per week towards its maintenance: in default to be committed to prison. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Anne, both those children would have been of school age then, another CD to buy maybe. I have sent for Mary death certificate to see where she died, Free BMD states it to be Boston RD, so if they are not in the minutes, that means that Union did not deal with them, just trying to get my head around it. I know you deal with this all the time. John > From: duncalf@one-name.org > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:15:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans > > Annie and George aged 6 and 4 if I remember rightly, and only in for 4 days > - the school admission/discharge books are on the Boston Workhouse Part 1 > CD. So are all the minutes, but there were no Beldings mentioned in them! > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John redders > Sent: 02 April 2012 17:00 > To: Eng Lincs > Subject: Re: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans > > > Thank you Anne, that's interesting about the children in the workhouse > school, I wonder who they were? Shame about there not being any minutes to > look at, but at least it confirms that the family were in Boston in > 1866.It's often difficult to search the Belding surname, so many wrong > transcriptions, almost as bad as someone who cant spell parents! > The records of the Poor law Commissioners would be at Kew? > > > John > > > From: duncalf@one-name.org > > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:02:02 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans > > > > Two Belding children are in the Boston workhouse school in 1866, taken > > out by their mother. There is no mention of them in the minutes, not > > under "Belding", anyway. > > > > What should have happened is that the Relieving Officer of the > > district where they lived would have reported their case to the Union > > in which they resided, a decision about what to do with them would > > have been made, and the unions relative to their settlements would > > have been contacted. Therefore you have a chance of finding something > > in the minutes, or perhaps other records, of the Union in which they > > were living at the time, and in the minutes or other records of the > > Unions to which they were sent. There is no correspondence for Boston > > Union for that time period, but there may be something at London in > > the correspondence sent by the Poor Law Commissioners. > > > > Whatever, it would have been for the Guardians of the Union in which > > they resided to make the initial enquiries. The parish officers would > > simply have done what they were told. > > > > Anne > > > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John redders > > Sent: 02 April 2012 14:09 > > To: Eng Lincs > > Subject: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans > > > > > > On 3rd February 1866, John Walker Belding died in Newington, Surrey, > > and in December quarter of that same year, Mary Belding, his wife > > died, leaving 8 children as orphans. > > So what would happen to the children if grandparents/family weren't > > able to care for them. I suppose it was the parish in where they were > > living at the time, or was it the parish in which they were born? > > According to the census of 1871, Prior Aylward Belding, born 1864 in > > Newington, Surrey was in an orphanage, the Spurgeon Orphanage in > > Clapham, his brother William born St Luke, Middlesex, was in an > > orphanage in Bristol, brother George born Boston, well I can't find > > him in 1871, the other children were in Boston. > > Where would I find records of such decisions, if there any? > > > > > > > > John Readman > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Two Belding children are in the Boston workhouse school in 1866, taken out by their mother. There is no mention of them in the minutes, not under "Belding", anyway. What should have happened is that the Relieving Officer of the district where they lived would have reported their case to the Union in which they resided, a decision about what to do with them would have been made, and the unions relative to their settlements would have been contacted. Therefore you have a chance of finding something in the minutes, or perhaps other records, of the Union in which they were living at the time, and in the minutes or other records of the Unions to which they were sent. There is no correspondence for Boston Union for that time period, but there may be something at London in the correspondence sent by the Poor Law Commissioners. Whatever, it would have been for the Guardians of the Union in which they resided to make the initial enquiries. The parish officers would simply have done what they were told. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John redders Sent: 02 April 2012 14:09 To: Eng Lincs Subject: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans On 3rd February 1866, John Walker Belding died in Newington, Surrey, and in December quarter of that same year, Mary Belding, his wife died, leaving 8 children as orphans. So what would happen to the children if grandparents/family weren't able to care for them. I suppose it was the parish in where they were living at the time, or was it the parish in which they were born? According to the census of 1871, Prior Aylward Belding, born 1864 in Newington, Surrey was in an orphanage, the Spurgeon Orphanage in Clapham, his brother William born St Luke, Middlesex, was in an orphanage in Bristol, brother George born Boston, well I can't find him in 1871, the other children were in Boston. Where would I find records of such decisions, if there any? John Readman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Anne, that's interesting about the children in the workhouse school, I wonder who they were? Shame about there not being any minutes to look at, but at least it confirms that the family were in Boston in 1866.It's often difficult to search the Belding surname, so many wrong transcriptions, almost as bad as someone who cant spell parents! The records of the Poor law Commissioners would be at Kew? John > From: duncalf@one-name.org > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:02:02 +0100 > Subject: Re: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans > > Two Belding children are in the Boston workhouse school in 1866, taken out > by their mother. There is no mention of them in the minutes, not under > "Belding", anyway. > > What should have happened is that the Relieving Officer of the district > where they lived would have reported their case to the Union in which they > resided, a decision about what to do with them would have been made, and the > unions relative to their settlements would have been contacted. Therefore > you have a chance of finding something in the minutes, or perhaps other > records, of the Union in which they were living at the time, and in the > minutes or other records of the Unions to which they were sent. There is no > correspondence for Boston Union for that time period, but there may be > something at London in the correspondence sent by the Poor Law > Commissioners. > > Whatever, it would have been for the Guardians of the Union in which they > resided to make the initial enquiries. The parish officers would simply have > done what they were told. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John redders > Sent: 02 April 2012 14:09 > To: Eng Lincs > Subject: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans > > > On 3rd February 1866, John Walker Belding died in Newington, Surrey, and in > December quarter of that same year, Mary Belding, his wife died, leaving 8 > children as orphans. > So what would happen to the children if grandparents/family weren't able to > care for them. I suppose it was the parish in where they were living at the > time, or was it the parish in which they were born? > According to the census of 1871, Prior Aylward Belding, born 1864 in > Newington, Surrey was in an orphanage, the Spurgeon Orphanage in Clapham, > his brother William born St Luke, Middlesex, was in an orphanage in Bristol, > brother George born Boston, well I can't find him in 1871, the other > children were in Boston. > Where would I find records of such decisions, if there any? > > > > John Readman > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thomas SMITH bapt 1839 St Paul's, Middle Rasen igi C02857-6 son of John SMITH and Susannah nee FREEBOROUGH. He marries Hannah LEE d/o William Lee and Ann nee SCARBY on 20 July 1873 at The Holy Rood Roman Catholic Church, Market Rasen, Lincs On marriage cert his age is given as 24 yrs and hers 35, his should read 34 years. Hannah is a spinster, John a widower. This is the problem, who was his first wife. 1841 Census - Middle Rasen Lincs, Thomas Smith, aged 2 years, with parents 1851 Census - Middle Rasen, again with parents, 12 yrs a scholar 1861 - Not in Middle Rasen, cannot find him in England. Poss in Army 1869 Dec 29 -  - I have a letter written by Thomas from Hedon, Yorks 29 Dec 1869. He is stationed at Fort Paul, nr Hull, and is in the army. The letter says, Dear Ann, thanking her for sending him a basket of butter for Christmas, and he is going to return the basket in a few days to Ivy Cottage, presumably the one in West Rasen. 1871 Census - Taken 2nd April - Thomas is back in High St, Middle Rasen with his parents, aged 32 years, unmarried and working as a Ag Lab. 1873 July 20 - He marries Hannah LEE at Mkt Rasen R.C.Church. For many years I have searched for a first wife. I cannot be certain he married in Lincolnshire. or Yorkshire.  Tried to follow up every Thomas who married I also have a small coloured photograph in a velvet lined leather case, showing him in uniform, I have had it identified, and he is in the 'Coldstream Guards' The 'Stock' at his neck has been suggested is of the type worn in 1960, it was to keep the Guardsmen's heads up, and it was lowered several times over the years. I have tried every avenue I can think of to try and find the first wife, tracking each possibility thru in various records. i.e Ancestry, FreeBMD, Lincs to the Past, IGI, etc etc; My last hope is that somebody else is researching Thomas or the first wife, from a different angle, hopefully a LincsGen Lister. If anybody else has any suggestions for me to try, it would be appreciated.  Of course he could have married a lady whilst moving around with the Army, the marriage was very short, Thomas is single on 2 April 1871(Census), and has a second marriage to Hannah LEE 20 July 1873 Pat in Grimsby, Lincs

Possibly workhouse records if they have survived. Bev -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John redders Sent: 02 April 2012 14:09 To: Eng Lincs Subject: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans On 3rd February 1866, John Walker Belding died in Newington, Surrey, and in December quarter of that same year, Mary Belding, his wife died, leaving 8 children as orphans. So what would happen to the children if grandparents/family weren't able to care for them. I suppose it was the parish in where they were living at the time, or was it the parish in which they were born? According to the census of 1871, Prior Aylward Belding, born 1864 in Newington, Surrey was in an orphanage, the Spurgeon Orphanage in Clapham, his brother William born St Luke, Middlesex, was in an orphanage in Bristol, brother George born Boston, well I can't find him in 1871, the other children were in Boston. Where would I find records of such decisions, if there any? John Readman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The United States has its national archives "dispersed" and one of the centres in just south of San Francisco, not too far from where I live in California.  They have some original documents and a huge archive of things on microfilm and fiche.  If you go, take photo ID, a pencil and a pad of paper.  They make you feel like a criminal if you take a pen.  And, please, don't try to smuggle a camera in.  Your family will miss you for several weeks.  Sharp objects will be confiscated. For some archive offices, there are lockers where you can leave your purse, camera, copy machine, switchblade, smartphone, etc.  I'd suggest you lock these in the trunk of your car.  No food is allowed in the research area.  When you are in the research area, if you tear a sheet of paper off of your foolscap pad, all eyes in the room will swivel in your direction.  You feel like you are visiting your cousin in prison.  But the staff will help you as best they can.  They can't do the lookups for you, normally, but I've had them get an old survey book of maps out of the locked storage vault and bring them to me and help me look for something.  Generally, I spend most of my time there on a microfilm reader. Now the California State Archive office, one is also in San Francisco, has old telephone books back to before 1910, city and state directories back to Sir Francis Drake's visit and voters' registers back to the mid-1800s.  Most things on paper, like the directories, require extreme care just to turn the pages.  And if you are clumsy, just leave the book on the research table.  They'll put it away. I can also state that, at least at the California archives, some of the staff are trained in CPR.  Many of the visitors are as old as the books they are looking through, and one of them fainted while I was there.  They took good care of him.  I had to remind his wife to get her purse out of the locker if she was going to go in the ambulance with him. It's wise to check the website of the archive(s) you plan to visit, so that you know what they have in advance, and make notes on what you want to find.  I think it useful, too, to have a page on which to note "things I want to look into later" while trolling through one of your sources.  The websites also have opening times, closure dates, rules and parking limitations and a map!     Lou (list admin.)

I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" early from her job in a local city.  Luckily she has a pension in addition to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she had and the work she did. It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late 1800s.  What was senior life like for some of them?  What were the "cushions" provided since there were few pensions.  I have seen a few Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had any money to lay away for retirement. I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to work until they died.  If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I suppose.  Who is our expert in this area of family history. I know my mum came from working class roots.  You could tell that from her attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a "real job", she once told me.)  But my mum also envied a portion of her extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it).  I assume it was possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made them and sold them.  I'm weird that way. So what can you tell us?     Lou (list admin.)

Only two this week, I'm afraid. It will be a fortnight before I go to the library again. LRSM = Lincoln, Rutland and Stamford Mercury Full details from the newspaper appear below; I have no further information. LRSM 16 May 1856 Boston Petty Sessions 14 May An application was made by Ann EATON, of Sutterton, singlewoman, for an order upon Benj. JEFFERY, of Algarkirk, for maintenance of her illegitimate child. Mr. YORK appeared for the applicant, and Mr. SNAITH for the defence. After hearing, the order was refused for want of sufficient corroborative testimony. LRSM 23 May 1856 Lincoln City Petty Sessions 22 May Henry JOHNSON, aged 18, apprentice to Mr. C. CURTIS, butcher, Guildhall-street, was adjudged to be the father of the child of Mary MACKINDER, and ordered to pay 1s. 6d. per week towards its maintenance: in default to be committed to prison. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk

As you say he could of married in the army. Now you have to look for his Service Papers in which his 1st marriage will be listed Bill Stratton Cole Harbour NS Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Cook" <paver207@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: [LIN] Brick wall -Thomas SMITH b 1839 Middle Rasen Lincs - who washis 1st wife? Thomas SMITH bapt 1839 St Paul's, Middle Rasen igi C02857-6 . 1873 July 20 - He marries Hannah LEE at Mkt Rasen R.C.Church. For many years I have searched for a first wife. I cannot be certain he married in Lincolnshire. or Yorkshire. Tried to follow up every Thomas who married I also have a small coloured photograph in a velvet lined leather case, showing him in uniform, I have had it identified, and he is in the 'Coldstream Guards' The 'Stock' at his neck has been suggested is of the type worn in 1960, it was to keep the Guardsmen's heads up, and it was lowered several times over the years. . If anybody else has any suggestions for me to try, it would be appreciated.

On 3rd February 1866, John Walker Belding died in Newington, Surrey, and in December quarter of that same year, Mary Belding, his wife died, leaving 8 children as orphans. So what would happen to the children if grandparents/family weren't able to care for them. I suppose it was the parish in where they were living at the time, or was it the parish in which they were born? According to the census of 1871, Prior Aylward Belding, born 1864 in Newington, Surrey was in an orphanage, the Spurgeon Orphanage in Clapham, his brother William born St Luke, Middlesex, was in an orphanage in Bristol, brother George born Boston, well I can't find him in 1871, the other children were in Boston. Where would I find records of such decisions, if there any? John Readman

Thank you all who commented on the 1881 census. Julia

On 2 Apr 2012, at 10:13 AM, Pat Cook wrote: > [...] He marries Hannah LEE d/o William Lee and Ann nee SCARBY on 20 July 1873 at The Holy Rood Roman Catholic Church, Market Rasen, Lincs > On marriage cert his age is given as 24 yrs and hers 35, his should read 34 years. > Hannah is a spinster, John a widower. > > This is the problem, who was his first wife. Pat, if he was in the army and married and children whilst serving you *may* find an entry (and be able to order certificates) in the: (1) Regimental Registers of Births 1761-1924, or (2) Army Chaplains' returns of Births and Marriages 1796-1880 You will likely be aware of the following, but I will add it for general assistance to others who may be interested: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/birthmarriagedeatharmedforces.htm I do wish I could offer specific help, but I have not crossed path's with your Thomas. Best of luck Denny (Perth, Ontario)

Gee, if you sent ME this kind of request, I'd politely say, "I don't do global searches for a surname."  This is the kind of request that many volunteers hate, because there are no date ranges, no first names, etc.  It seems like you are "trolling", just looking to see if you can find something without having to do any of the work. Since SOME of the poorlaw records are online records are online, you can search using a search engine.  A few million COCKING records should keep you busy for a while.  You can also order the CDs created by the Lincs Family History Society and search them yourself.  Alas, that will take money and your time. But please don't ask any volunteer on this list to do a global search for you.  Respect their time already spent.     Lou (list admin.) ________________________________ From: Jim Ward <HAL2001@shaw.ca> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:35 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Only two this week, I'm afraid. It will be a fortnight before I go to the library again. LRSM = Lincoln, Rutland and Stamford Mercury Full details from the newspaper appear below; I have no further information. LRSM 16 May 1856 Boston Petty Sessions 14 May An application was made by Ann EATON, of Sutterton, singlewoman, for an order upon Benj. JEFFERY, of Algarkirk, for maintenance of her illegitimate child. Mr. YORK appeared for the applicant, and Mr. SNAITH for the defence. After hearing, the order was refused for want of sufficient corroborative testimony. LRSM 23 May 1856 Lincoln City Petty Sessions 22 May Henry JOHNSON, aged 18, apprentice to Mr. C. CURTIS, butcher, Guildhall-street, was adjudged to be the father of the child of Mary MACKINDER, and ordered to pay 1s. 6d. per week towards its maintenance: in default to be committed to prison. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:35 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Only two this week, I'm afraid. It will be a fortnight before I go to the library again. LRSM = Lincoln, Rutland and Stamford Mercury Full details from the newspaper appear below; I have no further information. LRSM 16 May 1856 Boston Petty Sessions 14 May An application was made by Ann EATON, of Sutterton, singlewoman, for an order upon Benj. JEFFERY, of Algarkirk, for maintenance of her illegitimate child. Mr. YORK appeared for the applicant, and Mr. SNAITH for the defence. After hearing, the order was refused for want of sufficient corroborative testimony. LRSM 23 May 1856 Lincoln City Petty Sessions 22 May Henry JOHNSON, aged 18, apprentice to Mr. C. CURTIS, butcher, Guildhall-street, was adjudged to be the father of the child of Mary MACKINDER, and ordered to pay 1s. 6d. per week towards its maintenance: in default to be committed to prison. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk

G'day Listers I am very glad I was able to purchase the 1881 censu 25 Disks when they were on offer in Australia for about $60. I very useful census as my Grandparents were mostly all at home in 1881. Bridget Australia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have yet to looked at other Census years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rjngs" <rjngs@pearson30.karoo.co.uk> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] 1881 census > You can find a label '1881 census' if you search around long enough. > The new layout of results is dreadful and I can't find the button for > 'Household'. > snip

Sorry to but in Joan, but what you have said about infants being buried with an adult in the old days, this is what happened to our second child, died at 5 days old in 1963, and was buried with an adult somewhere in South park Cemetery, we were never told where.    Regards Bazza ________________________________ From: Joan Van Daalen <jvandaal@sympatico.ca> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2012, 19:58 Subject: Re: [LIN] Charles MCCONNELL burial 1882 but where? a further burialfor a James Henry MCCONNELL It's possible the child was only a few days old - b late December, d early January - in which case he could have shared a coffin with another deceased and unrelated person.  This was quite common in those days. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] Charles MCCONNELL burial 1882 but where? a further burialfor a James Henry MCCONNELL > Hi all > > Further to my last post on Charles MCCONNELL who died 1882 and was buried > at St Nicholas Lincoln or > Newport Cemetery > > The couple Charles & Ellen appear to have had a son who died in infancy > > Births Dec 1880 > McCONNELL James Henry Lincoln 7a 495 > > Deaths Mar 1881 > MCCONNELL James Henry 0 Lincoln 7a 340 > > He does not appear in the NBI as Charles does and I wondered if anyone had > anything on a burial for > him > > He could of course be buried without ceremony or recording but I thought > it worth asking just in > case > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message