She was probably a beneficiary of a will at some time, or she had shares from which she took an annual annuity. Some people had shares in the railways and made a lot of money out of them. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cmbarron@aol.com Sent: 03 April 2012 13:55 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] 19th century retirement I have an ancestor whose occupation on the census says "annuitant" or "independent means". She was widowed and living with a son at the time. Does anyone know where I would find information about this annuity? Is there a way to check the post office as mentioned? I have been unable to locate a death date, burial, ect for her husband. Thanks for any help. Connie Barron -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> To: 'Louis Mills' <louis_mills@att.net>; eng-lincsgen <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [LIN] 19th century retirement They would, if they didn't have any savings, which some actually did (in the Post Office usually), or an annuity from a will or something, either go into the workhouse or receive relief where they lived from the Union of their settlement. After 1865 if they had resided in one place for more than a year without claiming poor relief, they would receive relief from the common fund of the Union in which they resided, regardless of their settlement, but if they became permanently disabled, they would either be sent back to the Union in which their place of settlement was, or be sent relief by that Union. Of course, any relatives who were able were made to make a contribution towards their relief. >From the Bourne Union Workhouse Minutes 20 October 1898. Mr Carlton reported that he had seen Mrs A. Pick as to her repaying the Guardians the expense of her Father’s maintenance in the Workhouse, and that she stated her income was only 18s/10d per week, out of which she had to support her two daughters, and that after maintaining her Father and Mother for 15 years she felt she could not do anything more. It was proposed by Mr Carlton and seconded by Mr Wm Bacon that no further application be made to Mrs Pick for the expenses referred to. Carried. [Page 89] Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: 02 April 2012 22:17 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] 19th century retirement I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" early from her job in a local city. Luckily she has a pension in addition to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she had and the work she did. It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late 1800s. What was senior life like for some of them? What were the "cushions" provided since there were few pensions. I have seen a few Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had any money to lay away for retirement. I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to work until they died. If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I suppose. Who is our expert in this area of family history. I know my mum came from working class roots. You could tell that from her attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a "real job", she once told me.) But my mum also envied a portion of her extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it). I assume it was possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made them and sold them. I'm weird that way. So what can you tell us? 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Lou...I visited our downtown Vancouver Library last week, first time in donkey's years, a beautiful building, 6th floor genealogy section and 7th floor "special collections". I asked for a 3 (large) volume set called "The Hundred of Launditch of Brisley, in the county of Norfolk by G.A. Carthew. I was expecting to be handed white gloves but instead all 3 volumes were brought and placed gently on the table beside me as if I had ordered a meal at a fine restaurant. A pillow was placed in front of me on the table and volume one opened and placed gently on the pillow, the spine cushioned. Because of the volumes' age (I believe he said over 100 years) I was told I could not use the photocopier but I could take photos with my camera. Four hours later, with writer's cramp, half blind, but happy...I staggered out and caught the sky train home. Linda B.C. Canada The United States has its national archives "dispersed" and one of the centres in just south of San Francisco, not too far from where I live in California.  They have some original documents and a huge archive of things on microfilm and fiche.  If you go, take photo ID, a pencil and a pad of paper.  They make you feel like a criminal if you take a pen.  And, please, don't try to smuggle a camera in.  Your family will miss you for several weeks.  Sharp objects will be confiscated. For some archive offices, there are lockers where you can leave your purse, camera, copy machine, switchblade, smartphone, etc.  I'd suggest you lock these in the trunk of your car.  No food is allowed in the research area.  When you are in the research area, if you tear a sheet of paper off of your foolscap pad, all eyes in the room will swivel in your direction.  You feel like you are visiting your cousin in prison.  But the staff will help you as best they can.  They can't do the lookups for you, normally, but I've had them get an old survey book of maps out of the locked storage vault and bring them to me and help me look for something.  Generally, I spend most of my time there on a microfilm reader. Now the California State Archive office, one is also in San Francisco, has old telephone books back to before 1910, city and state directories back to Sir Francis Drake's visit and voters' registers back to the mid-1800s.  Most things on paper, like the directories, require extreme care just to turn the pages.  And if you are clumsy, just leave the book on the research table.  They'll put it away. I can also state that, at least at the California archives, some of the staff are trained in CPR.  Many of the visitors are as old as the books they are looking through, and one of them fainted while I was there.  They took good care of him.  I had to remind his wife to get her purse out of the locker if she was going to go in the ambulance with him. It's wise to check the website of the archive(s) you plan to visit, so that you know what they have in advance, and make notes on what you want to find.  I think it useful, too, to have a page on which to note "things I want to look into later" while trolling through one of your sources.  The websites also have opening times, closure dates, rules and parking limitations and a map!     Lou (list admin.)

Hi I have been looking for Samuel Parker for the last 15 years and so far have had no success at all. According to every census he was born about 1823/24 in Boston. When he married he gave his fathers name as Charles Parker. One of his daughters married her cousin, the son of Samuels sister Ann (she was born about 1812 but didn't appear to know where) If anyone trips over him can they please let me know. Eric

Sorry, Jim, I saw Terry on the bottom and didn't realise it was another mail. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ward Sent: 03 April 2012 02:18 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello, Having just joined the Lincolnshire FHS and being somewhat inexperienced with these things, I should have, of course asked where to look them up. Following some fairly caustic replies it makes me wonder if I want to remain a member. I suppose some will say 'no loss', and maybe they might be correct, however some day I hope to be able to contribute more than I ask. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Terry Wells Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:01 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper I'd say pretty well 100% of them. Oh sorry! - just spotted that G on the end. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ward [mailto:HAL2001@shaw.ca] Sent: 02 April 2012 17:05 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Terry, Could I just say that this list is entirely independent of the Lincolnshire FHS and does not represent it in any way. As President of the LFHS, I welcome you with open arms :-) Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ward Sent: 03 April 2012 02:18 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello, Having just joined the Lincolnshire FHS and being somewhat inexperienced with these things, I should have, of course asked where to look them up. Following some fairly caustic replies it makes me wonder if I want to remain a member. I suppose some will say 'no loss', and maybe they might be correct, however some day I hope to be able to contribute more than I ask. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Terry Wells Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:01 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper I'd say pretty well 100% of them. Oh sorry! - just spotted that G on the end. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ward [mailto:HAL2001@shaw.ca] Sent: 02 April 2012 17:05 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have an ancestor whose occupation on the census says "annuitant" or "independent means". She was widowed and living with a son at the time. Does anyone know where I would find information about this annuity? Is there a way to check the post office as mentioned? I have been unable to locate a death date, burial, ect for her husband. Thanks for any help. Connie Barron -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> To: 'Louis Mills' <louis_mills@att.net>; eng-lincsgen <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [LIN] 19th century retirement They would, if they didn't have any savings, which some actually did (in the Post Office usually), or an annuity from a will or something, either go into the workhouse or receive relief where they lived from the Union of their settlement. After 1865 if they had resided in one place for more than a year without claiming poor relief, they would receive relief from the common fund of the Union in which they resided, regardless of their settlement, but if they became permanently disabled, they would either be sent back to the Union in which their place of settlement was, or be sent relief by that Union. Of course, any relatives who were able were made to make a contribution towards their relief. >From the Bourne Union Workhouse Minutes 20 October 1898. Mr Carlton reported that he had seen Mrs A. Pick as to her repaying the Guardians the expense of her Father’s maintenance in the Workhouse, and that she stated her income was only 18s/10d per week, out of which she had to support her two daughters, and that after maintaining her Father and Mother for 15 years she felt she could not do anything more. It was proposed by Mr Carlton and seconded by Mr Wm Bacon that no further application be made to Mrs Pick for the expenses referred to. Carried. [Page 89] Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: 02 April 2012 22:17 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] 19th century retirement I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" early from her job in a local city. Luckily she has a pension in addition to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she had and the work she did. It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late 1800s. What was senior life like for some of them? What were the "cushions" provided since there were few pensions. I have seen a few Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had any money to lay away for retirement. I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to work until they died. If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I suppose. Who is our expert in this area of family history. I know my mum came from working class roots. You could tell that from her attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a "real job", she once told me.) But my mum also envied a portion of her extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it). I assume it was possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made them and sold them. I'm weird that way. So what can you tell us? Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eric The first thing that jumped out at me was that Samuel was in the 1861 census a seaman mate on the ship at wisbech,  I also found him in 1841 (HO107/158/8) at Gravesend in Kent as a seaman, so it seems to me that his father probably was too, and his sister might not have known where she was born if she was born at sea or born somewhere overseas but she was not sure where. and of course if the family were carted around behind the father her mother might not remember too,  and boston might just have been an overnight stopover, so perhaps that is a line to look at, also see if Charles Parker was in the merchant or royal navy.  it might also be worth looking into the barge people to see if charles ran a barge, which also might explain where Ann was born as they might not even have known where they were at the time.   kind regards Elaine Westaway ________________________________ From: ERIC JOHNSON <eric.johnson.wrg@btinternet.com> To: "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012, 10:38 Subject: [LIN] BRICK WALL - Samuel Parker Hi I have been looking for Samuel Parker for the last 15 years and so far have had no success at all. According to every census he was born about 1823/24 in Boston. When he married he gave his fathers name as Charles Parker. One of his daughters married her cousin, the son of Samuels sister Ann (she was born about 1812 but didn't appear to know where) If anyone trips over him can they please let me know. Eric ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

i found the reference for 1861 for thomas aged 22 (the edward is aged 18 so poss not his brother who would have been 24 but not necessarily so, just give place of birth as lincoln (as the above person did ie ditto sighns) but all ag labs. they are in upton upon severn worcestershire ref RG9/2098 when looking for marriages also look in twekesbury and gloucestershire as upton on severn is just on the worcestershire side of the severn river the other side being gloucestershire also try Bristol.i found 3 marriages 2 in 1862 and one in 1865 in worcestershire for thomas smith one was possibly to an elizabeth smith.   i will let you work on that one hope this proves to be of help regards Elaine Westaway   btw if he married whilst in the coldstream guards then he might have married in London so heaven help you on that one! ________________________________ From: elaine westaway <laneywest1960@yahoo.com> To: "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012, 5:04 Subject: Re: [LIN] Brick wall -Thomas SMITH b 1839 Middle Rasen Lincs - who washis 1st wife? there s thomas and an edward smith in the 1861 census livng in worcestershire just giving his irthplace as lincolnshire could this be him, he is an ag lab, my computer is playing up and wont let me get back to the entry to get the ref no but if so then this could be where he first married   regards Elaine Westaway ________________________________ From: "bill.stratton@ns.sympatico.ca" <bill.stratton@ns.sympatico.ca> To: Pat Cook <paver207@yahoo.co.uk>; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 17:20 Subject: Re: [LIN] Brick wall -Thomas SMITH b 1839 Middle Rasen Lincs - who washis 1st wife?   As you say he could of married in the army. Now you have to look for his Service Papers in which his 1st marriage will be listed Bill Stratton Cole Harbour NS Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Cook" <paver207@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: [LIN] Brick wall -Thomas SMITH b 1839 Middle Rasen Lincs - who washis 1st wife? Thomas SMITH bapt 1839 St Paul's, Middle Rasen igi C02857-6 . 1873 July 20 - He marries Hannah LEE at Mkt Rasen R.C.Church. For many years I have searched for a first wife. I cannot be certain he married in Lincolnshire. or Yorkshire. Tried to follow up every Thomas who married I also have a small coloured photograph in a velvet lined leather case, showing him in uniform, I have had it identified, and he is in the 'Coldstream Guards' The 'Stock' at his neck has been suggested is of the type worn in 1960, it was to keep the Guardsmen's heads up, and it was lowered several times over the years. . If anybody else has any suggestions for me to try, it would be appreciated. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, Noted messages re 1881 census. Just to throw my old feathered hat in - if anyone would like my 25 cds - as described by Bridget - which I also purchased for 50 Aus dollars at the time it was being sold - I will gladly forward from Australia.. It does need the Resource File Viewer. I can no longer use these now. Renee Oz.

They would, if they didn't have any savings, which some actually did (in the Post Office usually), or an annuity from a will or something, either go into the workhouse or receive relief where they lived from the Union of their settlement. After 1865 if they had resided in one place for more than a year without claiming poor relief, they would receive relief from the common fund of the Union in which they resided, regardless of their settlement, but if they became permanently disabled, they would either be sent back to the Union in which their place of settlement was, or be sent relief by that Union. Of course, any relatives who were able were made to make a contribution towards their relief. >From the Bourne Union Workhouse Minutes 20 October 1898. Mr Carlton reported that he had seen Mrs A. Pick as to her repaying the Guardians the expense of her Father’s maintenance in the Workhouse, and that she stated her income was only 18s/10d per week, out of which she had to support her two daughters, and that after maintaining her Father and Mother for 15 years she felt she could not do anything more. It was proposed by Mr Carlton and seconded by Mr Wm Bacon that no further application be made to Mrs Pick for the expenses referred to. Carried. [Page 89] Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: 02 April 2012 22:17 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] 19th century retirement I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" early from her job in a local city.  Luckily she has a pension in addition to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she had and the work she did. It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late 1800s.  What was senior life like for some of them?  What were the "cushions" provided since there were few pensions.  I have seen a few Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had any money to lay away for retirement. I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to work until they died.  If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I suppose.  Who is our expert in this area of family history. I know my mum came from working class roots.  You could tell that from her attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a "real job", she once told me.)  But my mum also envied a portion of her extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it).  I assume it was possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made them and sold them.  I'm weird that way. So what can you tell us?     Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Carole, I read through the papers at Lincoln Library - the hard copies, which are about 3 feet by two feet, 3 years papers in one bound volume. They are also on film so should be available at Mormon Libraries as well as other libraries in Lincolnshire, the Archives and of course Collindale. They are much harder to read on film, and as I am also transcribing inquests for the next Inquests CD I couldn't do it without the hard copy. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Yeomans Sent: 02 April 2012 20:27 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper It is very tempting to try and take a short cut though isn't it?  I know I hold my breath every time one of Anne's BC e-mails comes through, skimming down the names hoping that the ones I'm waiting for will be there.  No luck so far, but I don't think you've reached the years I'm interested in yet Anne. Could someone please tell me, being a fairly inexperienced researcher, where do you go to look for these details yourself?  Is it at the local library or do the Archives hold all this sort of information? Many thanks in advance. Carole. ________________________________ From: Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> To: "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 17:16 Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Gee, if you sent ME this kind of request, I'd politely say, "I don't do global searches for a surname."  This is the kind of request that many volunteers hate, because there are no date ranges, no first names, etc.  It seems like you are "trolling", just looking to see if you can find something without having to do any of the work. Since SOME of the poorlaw records are online records are online, you can search using a search engine.  A few million COCKING records should keep you busy for a while.  You can also order the CDs created by the Lincs Family History Society and search them yourself.  Alas, that will take money and your time. But please don't ask any volunteer on this list to do a global search for you.  Respect their time already spent.     Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

bad boy terry ________________________________ From: Terry Wells <terry.wells@talktalk.net> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 18:01 Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper I'd say pretty well 100% of them.  Oh sorry! - just spotted that G on the end. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ward [mailto:HAL2001@shaw.ca] Sent: 02 April 2012 17:05 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

it would be in the census but they are terrible, my g grandfather's parents died in 1872&73 and left 6 children under 10 3 boys and 3 girls, the boys were taken in by his step grandfather's brothers and were listed as servants in the censuses and took me ages to find them as they were listed by their fathers original name ( he took his stepfathers surname after his mother mrried him as his father died before he was born).   The girls, however, were all shipped off from Ottery St Mary in Devon to the "New Orphan Houses" in Bristol which was also an industrial school were they were brought up to be servants all were listed in the census for 1881 but under  their name ie sarah and eliza coles but with no place of birth other than devon and an assumed age which was out for both of them (the elder girl being 15 by then was out and earning and later married her employer}. i am not sure what happened to the records for industrial schools, if they were boys they might have been placed  on a hulk such as were birthed in woolwich then the records were held by the navy into which many of these boy later enlisted   understand that some places gave the boys options of going into the local militia instead of an industrial school if they were of a certan age and this i have found in my family too, i think most of the industrial schools were private and paid for by donation from the parishes where the children came from and from selling goods made by the children so there records, unless handed to the local records offices at some point, are probably still in the hands of the descendants of the owners or lost.   regards Elaine Westaway ________________________________ From: John redders <johnredders888@hotmail.com> To: Eng Lincs <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 14:09 Subject: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans On 3rd February 1866, John Walker Belding died in Newington, Surrey, and in December quarter of that same year, Mary Belding, his wife died, leaving 8 children as orphans. So what would happen to the children  if grandparents/family weren't able to care for them. I suppose it was the parish in where they were living at the time, or was it the parish in which they were born? According to the census of 1871, Prior Aylward Belding, born 1864 in Newington, Surrey was in an orphanage, the Spurgeon Orphanage in Clapham, his brother William born St Luke, Middlesex, was in an orphanage in Bristol, brother George born Boston, well I can't find him in 1871, the other children were in Boston. Where would I find records of such decisions, if there any? John Readman                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

there s thomas and an edward smith in the 1861 census livng in worcestershire just giving his irthplace as lincolnshire could this be him, he is an ag lab, my computer is playing up and wont let me get back to the entry to get the ref no but if so then this could be where he first married   regards Elaine Westaway ________________________________ From: "bill.stratton@ns.sympatico.ca" <bill.stratton@ns.sympatico.ca> To: Pat Cook <paver207@yahoo.co.uk>; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 17:20 Subject: Re: [LIN] Brick wall -Thomas SMITH b 1839 Middle Rasen Lincs - who washis 1st wife? As you say he could of married in the army. Now you have to look for his Service Papers in which his 1st marriage will be listed Bill Stratton Cole Harbour NS Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Cook" <paver207@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: [LIN] Brick wall -Thomas SMITH b 1839 Middle Rasen Lincs - who washis 1st wife? Thomas SMITH bapt 1839 St Paul's, Middle Rasen igi C02857-6 . 1873 July 20 - He marries Hannah LEE at Mkt Rasen R.C.Church. For many years I have searched for a first wife. I cannot be certain he married in Lincolnshire. or Yorkshire. Tried to follow up every Thomas who married I also have a small coloured photograph in a velvet lined leather case, showing him in uniform, I have had it identified, and he is in the 'Coldstream Guards' The 'Stock' at his neck has been suggested is of the type worn in 1960, it was to keep the Guardsmen's heads up, and it was lowered several times over the years. . If anybody else has any suggestions for me to try, it would be appreciated. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

he wasnt married in 1871 so are you sure he had been married before, but to be fair it did give his unmarried not single, but it must have been a very short marriage if he married for a second time in 1873. justa thought elaine Westaway ________________________________ From: "bill.stratton@ns.sympatico.ca" <bill.stratton@ns.sympatico.ca> To: Pat Cook <paver207@yahoo.co.uk>; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 17:20 Subject: Re: [LIN] Brick wall -Thomas SMITH b 1839 Middle Rasen Lincs - who washis 1st wife? As you say he could of married in the army. Now you have to look for his Service Papers in which his 1st marriage will be listed Bill Stratton Cole Harbour NS Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Cook" <paver207@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: [LIN] Brick wall -Thomas SMITH b 1839 Middle Rasen Lincs - who washis 1st wife? Thomas SMITH bapt 1839 St Paul's, Middle Rasen igi C02857-6 . 1873 July 20 - He marries Hannah LEE at Mkt Rasen R.C.Church. For many years I have searched for a first wife. I cannot be certain he married in Lincolnshire. or Yorkshire. Tried to follow up every Thomas who married I also have a small coloured photograph in a velvet lined leather case, showing him in uniform, I have had it identified, and he is in the 'Coldstream Guards' The 'Stock' at his neck has been suggested is of the type worn in 1960, it was to keep the Guardsmen's heads up, and it was lowered several times over the years. . If anybody else has any suggestions for me to try, it would be appreciated. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is very tempting to try and take a short cut though isn't it?  I know I hold my breath every time one of Anne's BC e-mails comes through, skimming down the names hoping that the ones I'm waiting for will be there.  No luck so far, but I don't think you've reached the years I'm interested in yet Anne. Could someone please tell me, being a fairly inexperienced researcher, where do you go to look for these details yourself?  Is it at the local library or do the Archives hold all this sort of information? Many thanks in advance. Carole. ________________________________ From: Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> To: "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 17:16 Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Gee, if you sent ME this kind of request, I'd politely say, "I don't do global searches for a surname."  This is the kind of request that many volunteers hate, because there are no date ranges, no first names, etc.  It seems like you are "trolling", just looking to see if you can find something without having to do any of the work. Since SOME of the poorlaw records are online records are online, you can search using a search engine.  A few million COCKING records should keep you busy for a while.  You can also order the CDs created by the Lincs Family History Society and search them yourself.  Alas, that will take money and your time. But please don't ask any volunteer on this list to do a global search for you.  Respect their time already spent.     Lou (list admin.)

The New Orphan Houses otherwise known as the Muller Homes have very good records for orphans sent there. Check the archives of the Bristol & Somerset list as there is a lot of information there or check http://www.about-bristol.co.uk/ash-01.asp or http://www.mullers.org/ Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Cole" <duncalf@one-name.org> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans > Aha! I just looked at Holbeach Workhouse Minutes vol. 3 where there is > mention in 1862 of a William Belding, orphan (an orphan only had to have > lost one parent) and an orphanage in Bristol! But that is the only mention > of Belding in the whole book. Nothing at all in volumes 2 or 4. In fact, > there are quite a few references to the "New Orphan Houses" Ashley Down > Bristol in the book. They seem to be sending more than one child there. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > >

Her death isn't in the Boston Workhouse death registers, 1866 is covered but not yet on FMP as I have to have all the early deaths checked again. They've been messed about with on my computer and I can't be certain that some of them haven't been corrupted. There are several Beldings on the 1813-1900 Burials CD Vol 5 - all at Long Sutton or Tydd, but not Mary. Perhaps she will turn up in the Boston Cemetery Burials - these are being compiled at the moment but it will be some time before they are published. They are available on microfiche but we are re-checking and adding extra information for the CD. Aha! I just looked at Holbeach Workhouse Minutes vol. 3 where there is mention in 1862 of a William Belding, orphan (an orphan only had to have lost one parent) and an orphanage in Bristol! But that is the only mention of Belding in the whole book. Nothing at all in volumes 2 or 4. In fact, there are quite a few references to the "New Orphan Houses" Ashley Down Bristol in the book. They seem to be sending more than one child there. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk

Hello, Having just joined the Lincolnshire FHS and being somewhat inexperienced with these things, I should have, of course asked where to look them up. Following some fairly caustic replies it makes me wonder if I want to remain a member. I suppose some will say 'no loss', and maybe they might be correct, however some day I hope to be able to contribute more than I ask. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Terry Wells Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:01 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper I'd say pretty well 100% of them. Oh sorry! - just spotted that G on the end. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ward [mailto:HAL2001@shaw.ca] Sent: 02 April 2012 17:05 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada

Anne, That's very interesting about William Belding-in the 1861 census, he is the only Belding family member I can find apart from John Belding, and he is transcribed Beldon, married and staying in a publican's house in Boston. William Belding aged 2, in 1861, was living with William Belding & his wife Lucy Belding, nee Walker, shown as his grandparents. This William, on the census of 1861 is shown aged 2, born Middlesex, NK. Does that mean Not known? I have found a William Belding, registered as being born in St. Luke Middlesex in the June qtr of 1859. This is the Holborn area. of London. Certainly William was in Ashley Down orphanage on 1871 census, now I know how he got there. There is a William Belding dying in Holbeach RD in 1865, which could be William's grandfather. Ashley Down has a website and orphan records can be sent for, http://www.mullers.org/ and this thread on Rootschat is also useful http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,326423.30.html William & Lucy were the parents of John Walker Belding, and they live in Long Sutton, so come under Holbeach Union. In 1862, both John Walker Belding & Mary Belding were living, that is if he was their son, but he must have been a son of one of them at least. ThanksJohn > From: duncalf@one-name.org > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:31:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [LIN] Pareents die leaving children as orphans > > Her death isn't in the Boston Workhouse death registers, 1866 is covered but > not yet on FMP as I have to have all the early deaths checked again. They've > been messed about with on my computer and I can't be certain that some of > them haven't been corrupted. > > There are several Beldings on the 1813-1900 Burials CD Vol 5 - all at Long > Sutton or Tydd, but not Mary. Perhaps she will turn up in the Boston > Cemetery Burials - these are being compiled at the moment but it will be > some time before they are published. They are available on microfiche but we > are re-checking and adding extra information for the CD. > > Aha! I just looked at Holbeach Workhouse Minutes vol. 3 where there is > mention in 1862 of a William Belding, orphan (an orphan only had to have > lost one parent) and an orphanage in Bristol! But that is the only mention > of Belding in the whole book. Nothing at all in volumes 2 or 4. In fact, > there are quite a few references to the "New Orphan Houses" Ashley Down > Bristol in the book. They seem to be sending more than one child there. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message