Hi, I can tell you one place where there is wonderful information on the church and that is in Alford. My mom visted there about 1982 and brought home a wonderful history of the church. I don't have it with me because I am not at home but I believe that it was a Norman Church first. It then changed over the centuries. It also tells about some changes made in the late 1800s when it was updated. Something was added to the top which made it a little taller. They preserve as much as possible of the interior architecture and wonderful wooden pieces as possible. There were great pictures in the booklet that showed these things. It might be a good idea to make a list of places which have this great information. Velma
Hi, I was looking at some records for a member of an extended family who came to America with Wm. Penn in 1682. The record says that he was imprisoned in 1664 and fined in 1670 for refusing to take the Oath of Allegiance. In 1672 he was still in prison but was released later the same year. It said - after having been detained in the "Common Gaol" for conscience sake about seven years. He was a Quaker. My question is who was the Oath of Allegiance to - the Quakers or the Church of England? What was he Oath? Velma VJSpringer@aol.com
Hi list, further school admissions with Derby St Chad and Etwall schools showing pupils with Lincs connections. Link below, if it fails Google Yesterdays Journey. mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm
Hi, Missing Lincs, I was recently helping someone with a church history in Bradwell, way over in Derbyshire. Yes, they had churches, too. Now, I don't have access to much on church history, but this church was famous because suffragettes set it on fire in 1914. It was just damaged, not destroyed. But a lot of our Lincolnshire churches have only the briefest of histories written for them. It's difficult to find out when they were built if they were of "Norman: origin. So, if you live in Lincolnshire and want a project to keep you busy between tending the garden and inspecting the pub, see if you local church has a published history. If not, find out what you can and see if you can get the church to publish it for visitors. Or share it with us. We like hearing about things older than we are. On this topic, I have children, adults now, who were raised in California. "History" for most Californians started with the 1849 Gold Rush. That other stuff about the missions and General Vallejo doesn't count. So when I took one of my kids to England when she was nine and she saw a church 900 years old, she was stunned. When was the last time you took a nine-year-old to see something over 900 years old? Lou (list admin.)
Hi, Missing Lincs, I'm sure you've noticed that the 100th anniversary of the Titanic's sinking is being celebrated this month in a variety of ways. It's sad that this ship became an iconic symbol of so many things: Corporate arrogance, engineering "blindness", failure to appreciate danger, etc. Even "class struggle". We learned so much from that disaster, but there seem times when we haven't applied the lessons well. I myself am tired of hearing about RMS Titanic. Not because I'm not sympathetic to all the people who lost their lives or loved ones, but because so many other ships and lives were lost in the last 200 years and many never get a centennial celebration, let alone a mention. In Lincolnshire, we lost many ancestors at sea. Most on fishing vessels, many in combat in WWI and WWII, some from floods and others went missing and are probably listed as "person found in the river, drowned" and buried in an unmarked grave. We've had dead French and Dutch sailors wash up on our beaches. They deserve a moment of silence and respect. So, if you've lost a Lincolnshire relative at sea, tell us their story. Let's honor our own, too. Lou
Thank you Richard for both my questions Bev Bribie Island ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard M Brown" <richardmbrown6@gmail.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] Kirmington Bev, It's St Helens, North Lincolnshire. Cheers Richard On 9 April 2012 02:23, J & B.H. Stegeman <beverley.stegeman@bigpond.com> wrote: > Thank you Ann Cole for the real St Faiths Lincoln, Now I am looking for > Kirmington Church is it St Helena or St Helens > Bev on Bribie Island > -- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society ) And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ ) very Lincolnshire Family History Society ) good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ ) company. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4923 - Release Date: 04/08/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4923 - Release Date: 04/08/12
Can someone please help me. I have a photo of a head stone in Kirmington Grave yard. It is Thomas Quickfall who was the under butler at the Manor house, stone reads Here lies inturned the body of Thomas Quickfall who died 24 Jan 1815 Age 71 years Some by blazon'd shields shine, Backwards trace the ancient line, Heaps of -------- Raise, (next line I cant read) Let -------- their pomp & stare, of merit void ignobly great, One truth o'er their remains below, Inscribed more honour will bestow, Than lineage wealth or grandour can, Here lies interred an honest man. (at the bottom is W Frit???) Can anyone fill in the gaps for me please. Thomas is supposed to be mentioned also on the Brocklesby family memorial ? Bev at Bribie Island
This is a quotation by Alexander Pope "Let some by heralds blazon'd shine, And backwards trace their ancient line; From heaps of geld let others raise A monument of flatt'ring praise; Let others boast their pomp and state, Of merit void, ignobly great: , One truth, o'er these remains below Inscrib'd, more honour will bestow, Than lineage, wealth, or grandeur can; ' Here lies interr'd an honest man. Antony Can someone please help me. I have a photo of a head stone in Kirmington Grave yard. It is Thomas Quickfall who was the under butler at the Manor house, stone reads Here lies inturned the body of Thomas Quickfall who died 24 Jan 1815 Age 71 years Some by blazon'd shields shine, Backwards trace the ancient line, Heaps of -------- Raise, (next line I cant read) Let -------- their pomp & stare, of merit void ignobly great, One truth o'er their remains below, Inscribed more honour will bestow, Than lineage wealth or grandour can, Here lies interred an honest man. (at the bottom is W Frit???) Can anyone fill in the gaps for me please. Thomas is supposed to be mentioned also on the Brocklesby family memorial ? Bev at Bribie Island
Thank you Ann Cole for the real St Faiths Lincoln, Now I am looking for Kirmington Church is it St Helena or St Helens Bev on Bribie Island
KIRMINGTON St Helen: (L) Yarborough Deanery. Aka Kennington. Registers C [NFP1697-1785], 1786-1891; B [NFP 1697-1785], 1786-1965 M [NFP 1697-1785], 1755-1836, 1838-1978; Banns 1860-1943 BTs 1561-1812 (incomplete) Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J & B.H. Stegeman Sent: 09 April 2012 02:24 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Kirmington Thank you Ann Cole for the real St Faiths Lincoln, Now I am looking for Kirmington Church is it St Helena or St Helens Bev on Bribie Island ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Bev, It's St Helens, North Lincolnshire. Cheers Richard On 9 April 2012 02:23, J & B.H. Stegeman <beverley.stegeman@bigpond.com> wrote: > Thank you Ann Cole for the real St Faiths Lincoln, Now I am looking for Kirmington Church is it St Helena or St Helens > Bev on Bribie Island > -- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society ) And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ ) very Lincolnshire Family History Society ) good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ ) company.
Hi Bev, Your inscription consists largely of part of as poem by Alexander POPE. Try this link: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LsUqAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA524&lpg=PA524&dq=of+merit+void+ignobly+great&source=bl&ots=FLVwWRLWRj&sig=c4E72b0Ez0GWVnMy0He-Ba2p6HU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZnaCT5-4Noz_8QPb5qWxBg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg If the link fails, Google of merit void ignobly great. Look in the Google Books result. If you send me a copy of the photo off-list, I will try to interpret the other hard to read words in brackets. I hope this helps Richard Brown On 9 April 2012 06:05, J & B.H. Stegeman <beverley.stegeman@bigpond.com> wrote: > Can someone please help me. I have a photo of a head stone in Kirmington Grave yard. It is Thomas Quickfall who was the under butler at the Manor house, > stone reads > Here > lies inturned the body of > Thomas Quickfall who died 24 Jan 1815 > Age 71 years > Some by blazon'd shields shine, > Backwards trace the ancient line, > Heaps of -------- Raise, > (next line I cant read) > Let -------- their pomp & stare, > of merit void ignobly great, > One truth o'er their remains below, > Inscribed more honour will bestow, > Than lineage wealth or grandour can, > Here lies interred an honest man. > (at the bottom is W Frit???) > > Can anyone fill in the gaps for me please. > Thomas is supposed to be mentioned also on the Brocklesby family memorial ? > > Bev at Bribie Island -- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society ) And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ ) very Lincolnshire Family History Society ) good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ ) company.
Can someone tell me if St Faiths (cathedral ) is the same as St Faiths in St Mary le Wigford I have a Quickfall marrying there in 1917 Bev on Bribie Island
LINCOLN St Faith: Lincoln (Christianity) Deanery. Built 1885 as chapel of ease to St Mary Le Wigford. Registers C 1899-1947; B 1899-1963; M 1899-1959; Banns 1923-1944 BTs None Neither, Bev See http://stfaithslincoln.org.uk/ St Faith was built as a chapel of ease to St Mary le Wigford. The parish of St Mary LW had been very large, and new housing and the growth of population resulted in new churches being built at the end of the 19th century, of which this was one. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J & B.H. Stegeman Sent: 08 April 2012 04:49 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] St Faiths Can someone tell me if St Faiths (cathedral ) is the same as St Faiths in St Mary le Wigford I have a Quickfall marrying there in 1917 Bev on Bribie Island ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Bob, thanks for the opportunity to see your tree, having had a look, I am unable to find a link, but that does not say that there is not one some where. So if I may Please, I will keep your family tree on record, just to see if I have missed anything. The reason that I am a bit pedantic about it, is just because, ANDREW is by far the least common spelling of the name,(there are not that many in this area) ANDREWS being the most common. Many thanks for your cooperation, there are a few versions of my tree on Ancestry under B J D Wilson, but whilst they are basicly correct, there is quite a bit missing, so I would of coarse answer any questions Regards Barry Wilson Lincoln From:Baz Willy <spadga19382000@yahoo.co.uk> To: "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012, 17:39 Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy - COCKING. Hi there Bob, I am just curious about your wife's Andrew family roots, as my wife is an Andrew by birth, mainly in the Lincoln area of Lincolnshire, do you think there is any chance of a connection. Maybe if you were to reply off line from lincsgen, and Emailed me on my Email address, Spadga19382000@Yahoo.co.uk it just might be worth a look. Regards Barry Wilson Lincoln ________________________________ From: rjngs <rjngs@pearson30.karoo.co.uk> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012, 15:33 Subject: [LIN] Bastardy - COCKING. Here is one for Jim Ward. Robert ANDREW, the illegitimate son of Jane ANDREW, was born 1803 at Spridlington. In 1827 Robert ANDREW, of Moorhouses in the parish of Laxton, Notts., appeared before the magistrates at New Sleaford, Lincs. charged with being the father of a female child of Elizabeth BAGALEY, [b.1809 at Laxton, Notts.] single woman; the child born at the house of William WALTON in the parish of Stapleford, Lincs. The child was bapt. Harriet BAGALER on 27th May 1827 at Stapleford. Robert ANDREW's surety for the court appearance was John COCKING of Askham, Notts., Robert's step father by later marriage to Jane ANDREW. Robert Andrew was charged £5 - 13 - 6 for his arrest and the Parish Overseer's costs of the birth. He then had to pay 2/- per week maintenance. [It remains a mystery why Elizabeth BAGLEY gave birth to Harriett at Staplford] Robert ANDREW remained a single agricultural labourer at Laxton until he died there in 1883. Harriet BAGALER, or BAGLEY, was my gt. gt. grandmother and the second of four generations of illegitimacy in this part of my tree. Harriet took the surname VALLANCE of her mother's husband when she produced her own illegitimate child. Just to make the searching difficult. I found all this by pure chance when I was searching for my wife's ANDREW family in Lincoln Archives. Why we both have ANDREW roots at Spridlington at the same time is yet another mystery. Bob Jennings. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi there Bob, I am just curious about your wife's Andrew family roots, as my wife is an Andrew by birth, mainly in the Lincoln area of Lincolnshire, do you think there is any chance of a connection. Maybe if you were to reply off line from lincsgen, and Emailed me on my Email address, Spadga19382000@Yahoo.co.uk it just might be worth a look. Regards Barry Wilson Lincoln ________________________________ From: rjngs <rjngs@pearson30.karoo.co.uk> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012, 15:33 Subject: [LIN] Bastardy - COCKING. Here is one for Jim Ward. Robert ANDREW, the illegitimate son of Jane ANDREW, was born 1803 at Spridlington. In 1827 Robert ANDREW, of Moorhouses in the parish of Laxton, Notts., appeared before the magistrates at New Sleaford, Lincs. charged with being the father of a female child of Elizabeth BAGALEY, [b.1809 at Laxton, Notts.] single woman; the child born at the house of William WALTON in the parish of Stapleford, Lincs. The child was bapt. Harriet BAGALER on 27th May 1827 at Stapleford. Robert ANDREW's surety for the court appearance was John COCKING of Askham, Notts., Robert's step father by later marriage to Jane ANDREW. Robert Andrew was charged £5 - 13 - 6 for his arrest and the Parish Overseer's costs of the birth. He then had to pay 2/- per week maintenance. [It remains a mystery why Elizabeth BAGLEY gave birth to Harriett at Staplford] Robert ANDREW remained a single agricultural labourer at Laxton until he died there in 1883. Harriet BAGALER, or BAGLEY, was my gt. gt. grandmother and the second of four generations of illegitimacy in this part of my tree. Harriet took the surname VALLANCE of her mother's husband when she produced her own illegitimate child. Just to make the searching difficult. I found all this by pure chance when I was searching for my wife's ANDREW family in Lincoln Archives. Why we both have ANDREW roots at Spridlington at the same time is yet another mystery. Bob Jennings. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Here is one for Jim Ward. Robert ANDREW, the illegitimate son of Jane ANDREW, was born 1803 at Spridlington. In 1827 Robert ANDREW, of Moorhouses in the parish of Laxton, Notts., appeared before the magistrates at New Sleaford, Lincs. charged with being the father of a female child of Elizabeth BAGALEY, [b.1809 at Laxton, Notts.] single woman; the child born at the house of William WALTON in the parish of Stapleford, Lincs. The child was bapt. Harriet BAGALER on 27th May 1827 at Stapleford. Robert ANDREW's surety for the court appearance was John COCKING of Askham, Notts., Robert's step father by later marriage to Jane ANDREW. Robert Andrew was charged £5 - 13 - 6 for his arrest and the Parish Overseer's costs of the birth. He then had to pay 2/- per week maintenance. [It remains a mystery why Elizabeth BAGLEY gave birth to Harriett at Staplford] Robert ANDREW remained a single agricultural labourer at Laxton until he died there in 1883. Harriet BAGALER, or BAGLEY, was my gt. gt. grandmother and the second of four generations of illegitimacy in this part of my tree. Harriet took the surname VALLANCE of her mother's husband when she produced her own illegitimate child. Just to make the searching difficult. I found all this by pure chance when I was searching for my wife's ANDREW family in Lincoln Archives. Why we both have ANDREW roots at Spridlington at the same time is yet another mystery. Bob Jennings.
There are a group of COCKING in Fulstow no bastards that I have found but if either of you want details shout. They are originally from Notts & spent time in USA. Sorry for briefest of message out of house at moment. Nik Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2
One of my ancestors also showed she was an annuitant and was living in some Almshouses her husband had worked on a large estate and the Almshouses were funded by the estate and they paid her a small pension. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: <cmbarron@aol.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] 19th century retirement >I have an ancestor whose occupation on the census says "annuitant" or >"independent means". She was widowed and living with a son at the time. >Does anyone know where I would find information about this annuity? Is >there a way to check the post office as mentioned? > > > I have been unable to locate a death date, burial, ect for her husband. > > > Thanks for any help. > Connie Barron > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> > To: 'Louis Mills' <louis_mills@att.net>; eng-lincsgen > <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:03 pm > Subject: Re: [LIN] 19th century retirement > > > They would, if they didn't have any savings, which some actually did (in > the > Post Office usually), or an annuity from a will or something, either go > into > the workhouse or receive relief where they lived from the Union of their > settlement. After 1865 if they had resided in one place for more than a > year > without claiming poor relief, they would receive relief from the common > fund > of the Union in which they resided, regardless of their settlement, but if > they became permanently disabled, they would either be sent back to the > Union in which their place of settlement was, or be sent relief by that > Union. Of course, any relatives who were able were made to make a > contribution towards their relief. > >>From the Bourne Union Workhouse Minutes > 20 October 1898. Mr Carlton reported that he had seen Mrs A. Pick as to > her repaying the Guardians the expense of her Fathers maintenance in the > Workhouse, and that she stated her income was only 18s/10d per week, out > of > which she had to support her two daughters, and that after maintaining her > Father and Mother for 15 years she felt she could not do anything more. It > was proposed by Mr Carlton and seconded by Mr Wm Bacon that no further > application be made to Mrs Pick for the expenses referred to. Carried. > [Page 89] > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis Mills > Sent: 02 April 2012 22:17 > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] 19th century retirement > > I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" > early from her job in a local city. Luckily she has a pension in addition > to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she > had and the work she did. > > It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late > 1800s. What was senior life like for some of them? What were the > "cushions" provided since there were few pensions. I have seen a few > Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over > the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had > any money to lay away for retirement. > > I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to > work > until they died. If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I > suppose. Who is our expert in this area of family history. > > I know my mum came from working class roots. You could tell that from her > attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made > them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a > "real job", she once told me.) But my mum also envied a portion of her > extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it). I assume it was > possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to > railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made > them and sold them. I'm weird that way. > > So what can you tell us? > > Lou (list admin.) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Connie Do you have a time frame and some names ? It is possible the husband left a will leaving some sort of provision for his widow I have also come across some people enumerated as Annuitant who clearly had no means of support except the Parish, so I would not always believe all that you find in writing, sometimes I feel the enumerator re the census or clerks in other records, used terms that they felt suited the situation rather than what was the actual case Apart from families own records I have not come across any substantial database for PO savings or the like If you have names and dates perhaps we can find something for you on the death / will ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have an ancestor whose occupation on the census says "annuitant" or "independent means". She was >widowed and living with a son at the time. Does anyone know where I would find information about >this annuity? Is there a way to check the post office as mentioned? > > > I have been unable to locate a death date, burial, ect for her husband. > > > Thanks for any help. > Connie Barron