Velma I'm sure the oath of allegiance would be to neither the Quakers or the Church of England but perhaps to the Crown (i.e., the monarch of the day but more particularly the office of monarch) or perhaps to the government of the day. Keep in mind that the Bible tells Christians not to swear oaths (Matthew 5:33-37) even though most oaths in Court,etc., are expected to be sworn with one hand on the Bible!! Judith Harper Nelson, NZ On 11/04/2012 19:14, Peter Dooley wrote: > I believe Quakers refused to take oaths on principle as their faith > required them to always tell the truth and so an oath was unnecessary. > > Regards, Peter > > On 11 April 2012 06:56,<vjspringer@aol.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I was looking at some records for a member of an extended family who came >> to America with Wm. Penn in 1682. The record says that he was imprisoned >> in 1664 and fined in 1670 >> for refusing to take the Oath of Allegiance. In 1672 he was still in >> prison but was released later the same year. It said - after having been >> detained in the "Common Gaol" for conscience sake about seven years. >> >> He was a Quaker. My question is who was the Oath of Allegiance to - the >> Quakers or the Church of England? What was he Oath? >> >> Velma >> VJSpringer@aol.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bev, Go to Google and put in Parish Church Drypool - Drypool is near Hull Yorklshire - the Genuki Drypool will give you all you want. Renee Oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J & B.H. Stegeman" <beverley.stegeman@bigpond.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:42 PM Subject: [LIN] church > Can someone please help me , I have a photo copy of the wedding of > Thomas Smith & Mary Ann Quickfall in November 1821 but it only says > Parish church Drypool, can someone tell me the name of the parish church > at that time , so many of the church there dont exist anymore. > Bev on Bribie Island > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone please help me , I have a photo copy of the wedding of Thomas Smith & Mary Ann Quickfall in November 1821 but it only says Parish church Drypool, can someone tell me the name of the parish church at that time , so many of the church there dont exist anymore. Bev on Bribie Island

Fair comments Alden, You will find that the Lincolnshire FHS has recorded / transcribed most of the inscriptions in the county graveyards. What's published can be found on their website. Richard Brown Lincs FHS member Sent from my iPad On 11 Apr 2012, at 13:59, Alden Tagg <artagg@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > And how many of these churches have associated cemeteries? Even compiling plaques and cemetery information for a group of churches would help. You wouldn't have to concentrate on a single church. Concentrate on a single item from a bunch of churches. Do you have isolated graveyards? Where are they? Were people always buried at churche yards? > >

Bev said - How many villages still have descendents of families in them that were there at the 1911 census? 104 Surnames of 1911 although some are just visitors or passing through However, Fulstow has 18 families of direct descentants with the same Surname and about 6 more if you take female lines still here Not bad but I agreed the Fulstow kids really struggle to stay usually they leave & come back in their late 20's or even older Sad Nik

Hi List My children wait for their school bus outside Scotton church which is 13th Century building, in the UK old churches are the norm and you don't always appreciate how long they have stood. What I do find interesting now is the different people who live in our villages today. As estate agents quote when advertising a property "in the much sort after village of .........." usually means it will cost the earth and very few locals can afford to stay. 100 years ago the type of people buying these properties wouldn't have given the village a 2nd glance as it would have been full of AG labourers and very mediocre housing. Sadly those who were born and lived all their lives in them can no longer afford to buy the houses so have to move away. How many villages still have descendents of families in them that were there at the 1911 census? Bev

Here's an excellent suggestion from Nicola Pike: Hi Lou Hope your keeping well, if people are interested in Lincs Churches there is an excellent web site  although not complete which has loads of info on   www.rodcollins.com  -snip- Nik

List My children wait for their school bus outside Scotton church which is 13th Century building, in the UK old churches are the norm and you don't always appreciate how long they have stood. What I do find interesting now is the different people who live in our villages today. As estate agents quote when advertising a property "in the much sort after village of .........." usually means it will cost the earth and very few locals can afford to stay. 100 years ago the type of people buying these properties wouldn't have given the village a 2nd glance as it would have been full of AG labourers and very mediocre housing. Sadly those who were born and lived all their lives in them can no longer afford to buy the houses so have to move away. How many villages still have descendents of families in them that were there at the 1911 census? Bev -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: 10 April 2012 23:32 To: Eng Lincsgen Subject: [LIN] Admin note: Churches Hi, Missing Lincs,     I was recently helping someone with a church history in Bradwell, way over in Derbyshire.  Yes, they had churches, too.  Now, I don't have access to much on church history, but this church was famous because suffragettes set it on fire in 1914.  It was just damaged, not destroyed.  But a lot of our Lincolnshire churches have only the briefest of histories written for them.  It's difficult to find out when they were built if they were of "Norman: origin.     So, if you live in Lincolnshire and want a project to keep you busy between tending the garden and inspecting the pub, see if you local church has a published history.  If not, find out what you can and see if you can get the church to publish it for visitors.  Or share it with us.  We like hearing about things older than we are.     On this topic, I have children, adults now, who were raised in California.  "History" for most Californians started with the 1849 Gold Rush.  That other stuff about the missions and General Vallejo doesn't count.  So when I took one of my kids to England when she was nine and she saw a church 900 years old, she was stunned.  When was the last time you took a nine-year-old to see something over 900 years old?         Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dan From Wiki The original church of /St. Peter/^<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drypool#cite_note-26> was demolished in 1822,^<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drypool#cite_note-dc-25> being in ruinous condition; and with the intention of building a new larger vessel, with over a 1000 seats, increased from 200. The new church was designed by William Hutchinson and had a four bayed nave incorporating the former church's arches and windows, with a four story tower, and was entirely rendered in cement, it was completed in 1823. St. Peter's church, on Great Union Street, with Drypool basin of Victoria Dock to the south after the 1850s ^<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drypool#cite_note-ingchurch2-29> The church's chancel was rebuilt in 1867. St. Peter's remained in used until 1941 when it was destroyed during the Second World War <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II>.^<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drypool#cite_note-dc-25> Regards Victor On 11/04/2012 10:42 AM, Dan Billington wrote: > Hi Janet > > I think it was St Peters in 1821 when the marriage took place. Your church > is further up Holderness Road and was not established then (Beeton Street > way I think) > > Best wishes > Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom& Jan"<tomjan@mwton.karoo.co.uk> > To: "Lincolnshire genealogy"<ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:35 AM > Subject: [LIN] Parish Church, Drypool > > >> Hello, Bev, >> The Parish Church of Drypool was St Andrew, Holderness Road, Hull. It >> became the Parish Church in 1878, but was closed down in 1983/4. It was >> later demolished for housing. >> >> If you look at the website:- >> www.dixon115.freeserve.co.uk >> you can find details of churches, parish boundaries etc in Hull. >> >> Regards, >> Janet >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: 10 April 2012 23:32 To: Eng Lincsgen Subject: [LIN] Admin note: Churches Hi, Missing Lincs,     I was recently helping someone with a church history in Bradwell, way over in Derbyshire.  Yes, they had churches, too.  Now, I don't have access to much on church history, but this church was famous because suffragettes set it on fire in 1914.  It was just damaged, not destroyed.  But a lot of our Lincolnshire churches have only the briefest of histories written for them.  It's difficult to find out when they were built if they were of "Norman: origin.     So, if you live in Lincolnshire and want a project to keep you busy between tending the garden and inspecting the pub, see if you local church has a published history.  If not, find out what you can and see if you can get the church to publish it for visitors.  Or share it with us.  We like hearing about things older than we are.     On this topic, I have children, adults now, who were raised in California.  "History" for most Californians started with the 1849 Gold Rush.  That other stuff about the missions and General Vallejo doesn't count.  So when I took one of my kids to England when she was nine and she saw a church 900 years old, she was stunned.  When was the last time you took a nine-year-old to see something over 900 years old?         Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janet I think it was St Peters in 1821 when the marriage took place. Your church is further up Holderness Road and was not established then (Beeton Street way I think) Best wishes Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom & Jan" <tomjan@mwton.karoo.co.uk> To: "Lincolnshire genealogy" <ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:35 AM Subject: [LIN] Parish Church, Drypool > Hello, Bev, > The Parish Church of Drypool was St Andrew, Holderness Road, Hull. It > became the Parish Church in 1878, but was closed down in 1983/4. It was > later demolished for housing. > > If you look at the website:- > www.dixon115.freeserve.co.uk > you can find details of churches, parish boundaries etc in Hull. > > Regards, > Janet > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Bev, The Parish Church of Drypool was St Andrew, Holderness Road, Hull. It became the Parish Church in 1878, but was closed down in 1983/4. It was later demolished for housing. If you look at the website:- www.dixon115.freeserve.co.uk you can find details of churches, parish boundaries etc in Hull. Regards, Janet

I believe Quakers refused to take oaths on principle as their faith required them to always tell the truth and so an oath was unnecessary. Regards, Peter On 11 April 2012 06:56, <vjspringer@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I was looking at some records for a member of an extended family who came > to America with Wm. Penn in 1682. The record says that he was imprisoned > in 1664 and fined in 1670 > for refusing to take the Oath of Allegiance. In 1672 he was still in > prison but was released later the same year. It said - after having been > detained in the "Common Gaol" for conscience sake about seven years. > > He was a Quaker. My question is who was the Oath of Allegiance to - the > Quakers or the Church of England? What was he Oath? > > Velma > VJSpringer@aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hope this helps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_allegiance Victor On 11/04/2012 6:56 AM, vjspringer@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I was looking at some records for a member of an extended family who came to America with Wm. Penn in 1682. The record says that he was imprisoned in 1664 and fined in 1670 > for refusing to take the Oath of Allegiance. In 1672 he was still in prison but was released later the same year. It said - after having been detained in the "Common Gaol" for conscience sake about seven years. > > He was a Quaker. My question is who was the Oath of Allegiance to - the Quakers or the Church of England? What was he Oath? > > Velma > VJSpringer@aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe the oath of allegiance was to King & country. You had to take the oath in order to hold private meetings- otherwise the authorities might consider the meeting treasonable. If they refused the oath & held services without it, that would be a problem, so presumably that's why he was imprisoned. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Religious_Society_of_Friends Margaret -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of vjspringer@aol.com Sent: 11 April 2012 06:56 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Quakers Hi, I was looking at some records for a member of an extended family who came to America with Wm. Penn in 1682. The record says that he was imprisoned in 1664 and fined in 1670 for refusing to take the Oath of Allegiance. In 1672 he was still in prison but was released later the same year. It said - after having been detained in the "Common Gaol" for conscience sake about seven years. He was a Quaker. My question is who was the Oath of Allegiance to - the Quakers or the Church of England? What was he Oath? Velma VJSpringer@aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a marriage having taken place in St. Andrew's Church. This church is not mentioned on the Genuki link I provided in my previous message. I have now found it on Wki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drypool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drypool#Churches Victor On 11/04/2012 7:08 AM, Dan Billington wrote: > You might find the answer here > > http://www.drypoolparish.org.uk/DRYPOOLPARISH/HistoryBook/index.php?$left=4&$right= > > There is an image here of 'Drypool' church > > http://www.drypoolparish.org.uk/DRYPOOLPARISH/HistoryBook/images/full/42.jpg > > I have to say I don't know the definite answer as Drypool is one of those > areas that has expanded since then but if I took a guess, it was St Peters > as it stood at the point of the River Hull - where Drypool bridge stands > today. > > Looking at sketches of St peters shows a different tower - but it could have > been added - I don't know. > > Though equally in this painting (takes a while to load) > http://www.prints.thepcf.org.uk/image/710256/thomas-fairbairn-wilson-drypool-green-and-st-peters-church-hull > > It shows St Peters Church with an identical tower to Drypool. > > Looking at a map of 1899 - a bit later - where St Peters stood is marked > Drypool Green Chu - > > It does look like the Drypool Parish Church you seek could be St Peter's - > it is no longer there. What remains is a park with a few old headstones > lining the outer wall. > > Hope that helps > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J& B.H. Stegeman"<beverley.stegeman@bigpond.com> > To:<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:42 AM > Subject: [LIN] church > > >> Can someone please help me , I have a photo copy of the wedding of >> Thomas Smith& Mary Ann Quickfall in November 1821 but it only says >> Parish church Drypool, can someone tell me the name of the parish church >> at that time , so many of the church there dont exist anymore. >> Bev on Bribie Island >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You might find the answer here http://www.drypoolparish.org.uk/DRYPOOLPARISH/HistoryBook/index.php?$left=4&$right= There is an image here of 'Drypool' church http://www.drypoolparish.org.uk/DRYPOOLPARISH/HistoryBook/images/full/42.jpg I have to say I don't know the definite answer as Drypool is one of those areas that has expanded since then but if I took a guess, it was St Peters as it stood at the point of the River Hull - where Drypool bridge stands today. Looking at sketches of St peters shows a different tower - but it could have been added - I don't know. Though equally in this painting (takes a while to load) http://www.prints.thepcf.org.uk/image/710256/thomas-fairbairn-wilson-drypool-green-and-st-peters-church-hull It shows St Peters Church with an identical tower to Drypool. Looking at a map of 1899 - a bit later - where St Peters stood is marked Drypool Green Chu - It does look like the Drypool Parish Church you seek could be St Peter's - it is no longer there. What remains is a park with a few old headstones lining the outer wall. Hope that helps ----- Original Message ----- From: "J & B.H. Stegeman" <beverley.stegeman@bigpond.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:42 AM Subject: [LIN] church > Can someone please help me , I have a photo copy of the wedding of > Thomas Smith & Mary Ann Quickfall in November 1821 but it only says > Parish church Drypool, can someone tell me the name of the parish church > at that time , so many of the church there dont exist anymore. > Bev on Bribie Island > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

See http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/Drypool/index.html On 11/04/2012 5:42 AM, J & B.H. Stegeman wrote: > Can someone please help me , I have a photo copy of the wedding of Thomas Smith& Mary Ann Quickfall in November 1821 but it only says Parish church Drypool, can someone tell me the name of the parish church at that time , so many of the church there dont exist anymore. > Bev on Bribie Island > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And how many of these churches have associated cemeteries? Even compiling plaques and cemetery information for a group of churches would help. You wouldn't have to concentrate on a single church. Concentrate on a single item from a bunch of churches. Do you have isolated graveyards? Where are they? Were people always buried at churche yards? ________________________________ From: Beverley Hill <hilltock@btinternet.com> To: 'Louis Mills' <louis_mills@att.net>; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin note: Churches -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: 10 April 2012 23:32 To: Eng Lincsgen Subject: [LIN] Admin note: Churches Hi, Missing Lincs,     I was recently helping someone with a church history in Bradwell, way over in Derbyshire.  Yes, they had churches, too.  Now, I don't have access to much on church history, but this church was famous because suffragettes set it on fire in 1914.  It was just damaged, not destroyed.  But a lot of our Lincolnshire churches have only the briefest of histories written for them.  It's difficult to find out when they were built if they were of "Norman: origin.     So, if you live in Lincolnshire and want a project to keep you busy between tending the garden and inspecting the pub, see if you local church has a published history.  If not, find out what you can and see if you can get the church to publish it for visitors.  Or share it with us.  We like hearing about things older than we are.     On this topic, I have children, adults now, who were raised in California.  "History" for most Californians started with the 1849 Gold Rush.  That other stuff about the missions and General Vallejo doesn't count.  So when I took one of my kids to England when she was nine and she saw a church 900 years old, she was stunned.  When was the last time you took a nine-year-old to see something over 900 years old?         Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Thanks to the people who sent answers to my question. My English ancestors came to America in 1682, 1836, 1850 and 1851 and I forget when else. Do you ever wonder how they could leave family and friends that they would never see again? It must have been very frightening to come to an unknown especially when you had no money.There would be no roof over your head when you got here and where would your food come from? I like the stories best in my genealogy that make the people seem like real people that I know. I am not interested in thousands of names. In answer to the above I am writing up a story that would show why. I am basing it on The Four Freedoms paintings that Norman Rockwell painted. in 1943 and that helped finance WWII when they were exhibited at bond drives. Actually they were first given in President Roosevelt's State of the Union address in 1940. When the United Nations Charter was being written they were then inluded in it. Freedom of Religion is one of those freedoms. All thru my genealogy I am finding examples of where that was not true. Some of my ancestors fled when the French King revoked the Treaty of Nantes. Two of them were original Penn Colonists. Of course Penn did great things for the Quakers as well as others. Being able to own land as Penn did when he gave the colonists a Deed of Release will be used in the Freedom From Want section. I have other examples. \ That is why I asked the question. I wanted to make certain that I had it right. I should have known, however. I have a naturalization petition where my English ancestor is revoking allegiance to the Queen. You just jogged my memory which isn't as good as it once was. Thanks for your help with my story. Velma .