Parish Councils did not come into existence until 1894. Until this time the Parish Clerk would have been ecclesiastical Graham -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ANTONY BARBER Sent: 06 May 2012 21:00 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] George Luty Parish Clerk I have a Marriage certificate between Henry Burnett and Mary Luty in Alford parish church, May 15, 1861 in which the bride's father is given as George Luty, Parish Clerk. I have been unable to discover any parish of which he was the clerk. I am not sure if this was an ecclesiastical or secular appointment. Any suggestions? Antony ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Antony Those with the role of Parish Clerk often carried on their own trade and are found in the census as that, some also added the Parish Clerk to their own >From Ancestry 1863 Morris Directory and Gazetteer Anderby Trades & Professions LUTY George, parish clerk; h, Huttoff And In Anderby 1851 1851 England Census about George Lutey Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Susan Lutey Gender: M (Male) Where born: Anderby, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Anderby County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Spilsby Sub-registration district: Burgh ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 145 Piece: 2110 Folio: 251 Page Number: 37 Household Members: Name Age George Lutey 40 Ag Lab Anderby Lincolnshire Susan Lutey 48 John Lutey 13 Susan Lutey 8 Alice Lutey 5 Ann Lutey 3 Fanney Lutey 1 Thomas Sylvestor 24 HO107; Piece: 2110; Folio: 251; Page: 37; GSU roll: 87739. 1861 1861 England Census about George Lutey Name: George Lutey Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Susan Lutey Gender: Male Where born: Anderby, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Huttoft County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Spilsby Sub-registration district: Alford ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 36 Piece: 2378 Folio: 48 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age George Lutey 50 Cottager 30 acres of land Anderby Lincolnshire Susan Lutey 58 Susan Lutey 18 Ann Lutey 13 Fanny Lutey 11 George Lutey 10 Months Edwin Stephenson 15 RG 9; Piece: 2378; Folio: 48; Page: 9; GSU roll: 542962. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have a Marriage certificate between Henry Burnett and Mary Luty in Alford > parish church, May 15, 1861 in which the bride's father is given as George > Luty, Parish Clerk. I have been unable to discover any parish of which he > was the clerk. I am not sure if this was an ecclesiastical or secular > appointment. Any suggestions? > > > > Antony

I have a Marriage certificate between Henry Burnett and Mary Luty in Alford parish church, May 15, 1861 in which the bride's father is given as George Luty, Parish Clerk. I have been unable to discover any parish of which he was the clerk. I am not sure if this was an ecclesiastical or secular appointment. Any suggestions? Antony

On 6 May 2012, at 6:08 PM, PAMELA BAILLIE wrote: > The 1841 census does not give place of birth only yes or no to 'whether born in this county' > Age of persons over the age of 15 is given in terms of 5 yrs, see enumerators instructions at the beginning of each book. > " For persons aged 15 yrs and upwards, write the lowest of the term of 5 yrs within which the age is" > age given of 65 yrs could be 65 to 69 yrs old - Then allow for errors Hello Pamela, Thank you for pointing that out. > ________________________________ > From: Bart Simon <thewanderer@iburst.co.za> > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; VJSpringer@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 21:59 > Subject: Re: [LIN] Missing Child [LOW and or DAWSON] > > MGC: > > When first looking into this tree, it became apparent off-list that there > was some doubling up around Thomas Lowe and two Mary's. I feel you can stop > struggling with some things: > > Thomas Lowe b:1776 m1:1800 Mary Dawson b:1776 in Alford. > Mary (Dawson) Lowe d:1817 and bur. in Alford after giving birth to son > Cornelius. > Thomas Lowe b:1776 m2:1824 Mary Epton b:1776 (?). > > [Her husband Thomas was baptised in 1788]: The Thomas Lowe I am referring to > as given out, is b:1776 !!!. As Pamela has pointed out, the 1841 Census Enumeration shows Thomas' age as "65". Unfortunately, many (the majority?) of the on-line Census Indexes tend to convert the enumerated "age" into a date. In the case of the 1841 Census, this can be rather misleading. Going beyond the Index Entry and paying for a copy of the census, one will find: HO107 Piece 627 Booklet 19 Folio 7; Bilsby, Lincolnshire: Thomas Lowe; Age 65 [likely rounded down]; Ag Lab; Y [born in Lincolnshire]. Thomas and Mary are enumerated with Sarah, age 10. I take Sarah to be the daughter of Thomas’ son William, and William’s wife Jane. While I have not found William in the 1841 Census, Jane turns up with a daughter Sarah, born two years after their marriage: HO107 Piece 627 Booklet 19 Folio 4; Bilsby, Lincolnshire: Jane Lowe; age 40 [rounded down?]; Nurse; Y [born in County]. Jane is enumerated with Sarah, 9 and a Jane Elvin, age 10. I do NOT know if "Sarah" has been enumerated twice (I tend to think so) or if there are two Sarahs in Bilsby, aged 9 and 10, in 1841. I suspect Jane is a widow, but the 1841 does not yield that information. > < a rather big "snip!"> > You keep going to the wrong Thomas Lowe the whole > time. The 1841 census for Alford clearly states he is b:1776 !!!. Go back > and read my post today and yesterday. > > TRY THOMAS LOWE BORN/BAPT/CHR.:1776 AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS .... I would rather not as I sincerely doubt anyone would find anything of value; Velma has been down this path before. The evidence appears to indicate the family were enumerated in Bilsby in 1841. > ============================================================== > I need to correct my post I just sent in at least area: > > Surname Forename Born Place of birth Location in 1841 > ^Dawson Mary 1776 .... Spilsby > *Lowe Mary 1776 Lincolnshire Spilsby, Alford > *Lowe Thomas 1776 Lincolnshire Spilsby, Alford > ^Dawson Mary 1776 Lincolnshire Horncastle, Horncastle > ?. > > The Mary Dawson b:1776 in Spilsby in 1841 is surnamed Dawson. This can't be > the wife (m1) of Thomas Lowe !!!. This is a relative. Neither would the Mary > Dawson in Horncastle be the Mary Dawson in question. > > - S.K.M. - [!!!] > ============================================== With all due respect, Denny Lowe, Perth Ontario.

Lou Miss Jane (not June) Oliver Burdett b abt 1865 Louth; died unmarried 17 Dec 1927 when living at Leicester House, Eastgate, Louth (same address as on 1911 census).  Shown on 1911 census as Head Teacher, Elementary School. ________________________________ From: Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> To: "Eng-lincsgen-L@rootsweb.com" <Eng-lincsgen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 17:29 Subject: [LIN] June BURDETT in 1912 Hi, Missing Lincs,     I have a Miss June BURDETT who is the mistress at the Infants' School in Louth in 1912.  Where does she hail from?         Lou

Thanks Anne. That rules out an idea I had about the marriage of William and Frances Leonard -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole Sent: 06 May 2012 18:16 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... LONG BENNINGTON St Swithin: Kesteven, Grantham Deanery Deposited C 1560-1913; B 1560-1901 Registers: M 1560-1933; Banns 1823-1879 Transcripts: M 1560-1838 (inc. Foston 1560-1623) [SR: PHIL vol 6] There seem to be no missing registers. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leonard Skinner Sent: 06 May 2012 17:46 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... Hi Anne Thanks for the information about the marriage indexes being online at FMP. With regard to missing marriage registers do you happen to know whether the Long Bennington ones fall into this category. Leonard -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole Sent: 05 May 2012 20:39 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... Hello Leonard, I have no means of comparing the two, number wise, but the new indexes contain more information than the ones on fiche and many corrections have been made. The new version of the marriages is also on Find My Past. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leonard Skinner Sent: 05 May 2012 19:21 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... Hi Anne Thanks for the suggestion about Notts. I had considered it since I have a number of Minnitt and Littlewood ancestors who did marry across the County borders. List member David Meredith has given me some interesting leads on this point. I have the LFHS Marriage Indexes 1700-1837 for the Graffoe, Loveden and Corringham Deaneries 2005 Edition, are there many more new entries in the new indexes to make it worth getting them. Leonard -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole Sent: 05 May 2012 16:39 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... You are quite close to the Nottinghamshire border there, Leonard. It may be worth looking for the marriage in Notts. The marriage doesn't turn up in our new super duper re-checked index, so the only other alternative is that the marriage wasn't noted down in the register/BTs or the appropriate register/BT has gone missing. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of angie millard Sent: 05 May 2012 16:29 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... Not sure if you have this, there is a Frances Collingwood on the nbi buried Fulbeck 15/7/1815 aged 71 Regards Angie On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Leonard Skinner < leonard.skinner@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi List > > > > Can anyone please help with one of my many brick walls in Lincolnshire. > > > > I have been trying to find the marriage details of William Collingwood to > Frances . William was bap. in Fulbeck in 1744 and was resident in Fulbeck > after his marriage. The first child of the marriage that I have been > able to find was Thomas who was bap. In Fulbeck in 1773. At this time > William's father Thomas Collingwood was the Church Warden in the > parish church. > > > > I have tried the familysearch.com website and the LFHS Marriage > Indexes > 1700-1837 2005 Edition for the Corringham, Graffoe and Loveden > Deaneries with no success. It is highly likely that the marriage took > place out of the parish of Fulbeck. > > > > Regards > > Leonard > > > > Researching the Collingwood, Littlewood, Lum and Minnitt families in > Lincolnshire > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

LONG BENNINGTON St Swithin: Kesteven, Grantham Deanery Deposited C 1560-1913; B 1560-1901 Registers: M 1560-1933; Banns 1823-1879 Transcripts: M 1560-1838 (inc. Foston 1560-1623) [SR: PHIL vol 6] There seem to be no missing registers. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leonard Skinner Sent: 06 May 2012 17:46 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... Hi Anne Thanks for the information about the marriage indexes being online at FMP. With regard to missing marriage registers do you happen to know whether the Long Bennington ones fall into this category. Leonard -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole Sent: 05 May 2012 20:39 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... Hello Leonard, I have no means of comparing the two, number wise, but the new indexes contain more information than the ones on fiche and many corrections have been made. The new version of the marriages is also on Find My Past. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leonard Skinner Sent: 05 May 2012 19:21 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... Hi Anne Thanks for the suggestion about Notts. I had considered it since I have a number of Minnitt and Littlewood ancestors who did marry across the County borders. List member David Meredith has given me some interesting leads on this point. I have the LFHS Marriage Indexes 1700-1837 for the Graffoe, Loveden and Corringham Deaneries 2005 Edition, are there many more new entries in the new indexes to make it worth getting them. Leonard -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole Sent: 05 May 2012 16:39 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... You are quite close to the Nottinghamshire border there, Leonard. It may be worth looking for the marriage in Notts. The marriage doesn't turn up in our new super duper re-checked index, so the only other alternative is that the marriage wasn't noted down in the register/BTs or the appropriate register/BT has gone missing. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of angie millard Sent: 05 May 2012 16:29 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... Not sure if you have this, there is a Frances Collingwood on the nbi buried Fulbeck 15/7/1815 aged 71 Regards Angie On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Leonard Skinner < leonard.skinner@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi List > > > > Can anyone please help with one of my many brick walls in Lincolnshire. > > > > I have been trying to find the marriage details of William Collingwood to > Frances . William was bap. in Fulbeck in 1744 and was resident in Fulbeck > after his marriage. The first child of the marriage that I have been > able to find was Thomas who was bap. In Fulbeck in 1773. At this time > William's father Thomas Collingwood was the Church Warden in the > parish church. > > > > I have tried the familysearch.com website and the LFHS Marriage > Indexes > 1700-1837 2005 Edition for the Corringham, Graffoe and Loveden > Deaneries with no success. It is highly likely that the marriage took > place out of the parish of Fulbeck. > > > > Regards > > Leonard > > > > Researching the Collingwood, Littlewood, Lum and Minnitt families in > Lincolnshire > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Anne Thanks for the information about the marriage indexes being online at FMP. With regard to missing marriage registers do you happen to know whether the Long Bennington ones fall into this category. Leonard -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole Sent: 05 May 2012 20:39 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... Hello Leonard, I have no means of comparing the two, number wise, but the new indexes contain more information than the ones on fiche and many corrections have been made. The new version of the marriages is also on Find My Past. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leonard Skinner Sent: 05 May 2012 19:21 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... Hi Anne Thanks for the suggestion about Notts. I had considered it since I have a number of Minnitt and Littlewood ancestors who did marry across the County borders. List member David Meredith has given me some interesting leads on this point. I have the LFHS Marriage Indexes 1700-1837 for the Graffoe, Loveden and Corringham Deaneries 2005 Edition, are there many more new entries in the new indexes to make it worth getting them. Leonard -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole Sent: 05 May 2012 16:39 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... You are quite close to the Nottinghamshire border there, Leonard. It may be worth looking for the marriage in Notts. The marriage doesn't turn up in our new super duper re-checked index, so the only other alternative is that the marriage wasn't noted down in the register/BTs or the appropriate register/BT has gone missing. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of angie millard Sent: 05 May 2012 16:29 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage of William Collingwood and Frances ... Not sure if you have this, there is a Frances Collingwood on the nbi buried Fulbeck 15/7/1815 aged 71 Regards Angie On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Leonard Skinner < leonard.skinner@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi List > > > > Can anyone please help with one of my many brick walls in Lincolnshire. > > > > I have been trying to find the marriage details of William Collingwood to > Frances . William was bap. in Fulbeck in 1744 and was resident in Fulbeck > after his marriage. The first child of the marriage that I have been > able to find was Thomas who was bap. In Fulbeck in 1773. At this time > William's father Thomas Collingwood was the Church Warden in the > parish church. > > > > I have tried the familysearch.com website and the LFHS Marriage > Indexes > 1700-1837 2005 Edition for the Corringham, Graffoe and Loveden > Deaneries with no success. It is highly likely that the marriage took > place out of the parish of Fulbeck. > > > > Regards > > Leonard > > > > Researching the Collingwood, Littlewood, Lum and Minnitt families in > Lincolnshire > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Would anyone have access to the marriages at Faldingworth about 1600? I am looking for the marriage of a Henry Luddington, (Lodington), who had a family in faldingworth from 1606. Thank you for your time. Paul

Up until the mid 1800s most of our ancestors could neither read or write.  This started to change in the 1700s as more people went to religious schools where the textbook was the Bible.  But in the early 1800s there was a strong push for universal education, at least through age 10 or eleven.  The Factory Act of 1802 required four years of education for the young people employed in the new factories.  And they couldn't even text using their thumbs!  Not yet. Typically the parish vicar could read or write (although I've heard of exceptions) and the wealthy often taught their children to read and write.  In fact, the upper classes saw no need for "the rabble" to learn to read and to fill their heads with strange ideas.  When the Poorlaw Amendment Act was approved in 1834, it mandated schooling for the children of the poor, but provided no real support or regulation of that schooling.  So it wasn't really until about 1830 or 1840 that secular "general education" really took hold. An 1861 Royal Commission "slapped the government up the side of the head" about the poor state of education in the country and that got things rolling. So, if the vicar could read and write, maybe he needed a helper.  The parish clerk often kept track of church matters and the government, always mindful of the reluctance of Englishmen to be "managed", decided to use the existing church administration for a few public services, like Civil Registration, Poorlaw administration, etc.  But the government was also aware that there was a strong anti-Anglican movement in the country, so the Poorlaw Unions didn't follow the deanery boundaries, but the basic unit of English govenment is still the Parish.  Although now we refer to the "Civil" parish even if it has the same ecclesiastical boundaries. You will find this history not too much different in other European countries or their former colonies.  So we can now read the old census records of a bunch of people who never learned how to read and write and we are dependent on the parish register maintained by a man who could be dyslexic or who only knew how to spell in Latin.  Alea iacta est, as Ceasar said.  The die is cast. We've come so far in such a short time.     Lou PS:  The above is a "potted" history.  Others will feel the need to correct it.  I'm so glad they learned to read!  :-)

Graham, I have a PALETHORPE line originating at Richard and Katherine having children at Woolsthorpe, Lincs., from 1716 onwards. The line then moving through Middle Rasen to Hull. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~davyulceby/trpalethorpe.html As Castle Bytham is only 12 miles from Woolsthorpe it may be the same origin. Bob Jennings.

On 5 May 2012, at 4:01 AM, VJSpringer@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to find William Lowe, the son of Thomas Lowe and Mary Dawson Lowe. I have a PR for him being born in Alford. I think that it was about 1803 but I am not at home and don't have my paper work with me for the exact date he was baptised. William was baptised at Alford, 16 Jun 1805, s/o Thomas LOW and Mary, based on a FreeREG entry. (Occupation, abode "blank".) > [...] I have never been able to find Mary Dawson before her marriage in 1800 in Alford. Believe me I have tried many leads. I have the following research notes on Mary DAWSON, which I have NOT followed up ... There is a burial for a Mary LOWE, in 1817, of no given age, in Alford. [LFHS' Parish Register Burials Index 1813-1900.] Mary’s baptism will be a challenge, given the numerous possibilities, and the fact that the Burial Index entry is lacking age at death. Her husband Thomas was baptised in 1788, and they married in 1800. If Mary was, say 15 at the time of marriage she would have been born 1785 at the latest. If Mary was older than Thomas, she could have been born before 1775, say about 1770, or so. Look for baptisms about 1770-1785, or a bit earlier. In the LFHS’ Calcewaith & Candleshoe Baptims & Burial Index, 1754-1813, the above noted baptismal date range narrows the possibilities down to the parishes of Belleau (4.8 miles) and Friskney (15.5 miles) with reference to Alford. In the LFHS’ Bolingbroke Baptism & Burial Index, 1754-1813, the above noted baptismal date range narrows down to the parishes of Halton Holegate (9.2 miles), Raithby (9.3 miles) and Tetford (9.7 miles) reference Alford. Caution: Do not rule out parishes to the north of Alford, in Louthesk deanery (LFHS’ Baptismal & Burial Index pending publication.) If Mary née DAWSON died in 1817, there is a marriage between Thomas LOWE (Widower) and Mary EPTON (Widow, née SIMS) in August 1824, Alford Parish, that may apply. I am inclined to believe that this 3 Mar 1817 burial could be that of Mary née DAWSON, following the Birth of Cornelius. However, the 1841 Census could cast doubt on this interpretation, unless Mary in the Census is a truly a second wife. One Edmund Dawson was ordained 5 Oct 1800, Durham Cathedral; Appointed Vicar of Sutten in the Marsh, 28 Sep 1808; and Vicar of Alford, 14 Dec 1808. Velma informs me that there is no known relationship between Edmond and Mary. Edmund’s Will proved in 1852. [LCC Wills 1852/108] Note that here is also a Joseph DAWSON, farmer, turning up in Authorpe, 6-3/4 miles from Alford in the 1849 Post Office Directory of Lincolnshsire. Mary’s father-in-law, the Thomas LOWE (1744-1808) who married Sarah EPTON at Swaby in 1771 is “of the parish of Authorpe.” While Mary’s husband, Thomas (1778-1844) appears to be born at North Ormsby, his younger brother Amos was born at Authorpe. Denny Lowe, Perth Ontario

=================================== Mye Goodye Cosynes, This is probably yours: Thomas Lowe b:1806, [1841: Brinkhill, Lincolnshire, England], left 1844 to Tasmania. He seems to be unmarried in 1841 ?. He is probably b. in Spilsby, Alford, Brinkhill, or one town away from either. - S.K.M. - [!!!]. ==================================

=================================== -----Original Message----- From: Diana Robinson Subject: RE: [LIN] Missing Child This is driving me nuts! I have DAWSONs, and I have MARKHAMs, in the same areas, and yet no connections so far! Happy hunting! Diana Robinson (nee Gardner) Now in Rochester, NY, USA =================================== Mye Goodye Cosynes, Why don't you write a clear post with good detail. I am going away though. - S.K.M. - [!!!]. ==================================

Ahh, you've hit on one of the reasons I don't completely trust information from Directories.  Too many little errors. Thank you! ________________________________ From: JOHN RILEY <john.riley29@btopenworld.com> To: Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net>; "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] June BURDETT in 1912 Lou Miss Jane (not June) Oliver Burdett b abt 1865 Louth; died unmarried 17 Dec 1927 when living at Leicester House, Eastgate, Louth (same address as on 1911 census).  Shown on 1911 census as Head Teacher, Elementary School. ________________________________ From: Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> To: "Eng-lincsgen-L@rootsweb.com" <Eng-lincsgen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 17:29 Subject: [LIN] June BURDETT in 1912 Hi, Missing Lincs,     I have a Miss June BURDETT who is the mistress at the Infants' School in Louth in 1912.  Where does she hail from?         Lou

I may be wrong in what I just wrote about the age of teachers given that the questions related to the 1900. I was thinking of the 1800s. Happy hunting!   Diana Robinson (nee Gardner) Now in Rochester, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: Louis Mills [mailto:louis_mills@att.net] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:02 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Schoolteacher #3 >From whence came this lovely lass?     PEART, Miss Louisa, schoolmistress at Lusby in 1912. And I've got at least 5 more...     Lou

One thing to remember is that back in those days, a senior student might well be asked to become the teacher if a teacher left for any reason. Hence, we should not assume, as we might today, that a "teacher" would automatically be at least in her 20s. Also, I know that one of my great grandmothers, wife of a vicar, ran a reading and writing "school" in the evenings for the boys and men of the village, and that several of her governess-educated teenage daughters also taught in that school. Happy hunting!   Diana Robinson (nee Gardner) Now in Rochester, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: Louis Mills [mailto:louis_mills@att.net] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 8:59 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Schoolteacher #2 Where was this person born?     RADCLIFFE, Miss Louisa, schoolmistress at Enginegate Infants' School, Louth in 1912.         Lou

Hi, Missing Lincs,     I have a Miss June BURDETT who is the mistress at the Infants' School in Louth in 1912.  Where does she hail from?         Lou

Mrs. Alice HEWITT was the mistress at the school in Garthorpe in 1912.  Who is her husband and are either of them from Lincolnshire?     Lou

Alas, I do not know the age of the individuals, which is one reason I'm asking about them.  All are from a 1913 Directory of Lincolnshire.  So they listed themselves as schoolteachers or masters. I do know of a case in Derbyshire where the porter of the Ashbourne workhouse took over as the teacher for young boys because the guardians dithered so long over a replacement when their teacher left, so the "standards" for teachers were looser in the 1800s.  In 1850 "certified teachers" were created, but it was not mandatory for schools to use them.  It wasn't until 1899 that the age for leaving school was raised to age 12.  What a burden that must have been.     Lou ________________________________ From: Diana Robinson <drobins6@rochester.rr.com> To: 'Louis Mills' <louis_mills@att.net>; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: RE: [LIN] Schoolteacher #2 One thing to remember is that back in those days, a senior student might well be asked to become the teacher if a teacher left for any reason. Hence, we should not assume, as we might today, that a "teacher" would automatically be at least in her 20s. Also, I know that one of my great grandmothers, wife of a vicar, ran a reading and writing  "school" in the evenings for the boys and men of the village, and that several of her governess-educated teenage daughters also taught in that school. Happy hunting!   Diana Robinson (nee Gardner) Now in Rochester, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: Louis Mills [mailto:louis_mills@att.net] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 8:59 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Schoolteacher #2 Where was this person born?     RADCLIFFE, Miss Louisa, schoolmistress at Enginegate Infants' School, Louth in 1912.         Lou