Many thanks for all your advice. I deleted the message unread. Maggie

Yes, I gave up trying to figure it out. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: "Bart Simon" <thewanderer@iburst.co.za>; <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Notes [!!!] > Hi Bart > > It may help to explain what it is you seek > > Your post does not make easy reading to the casual observer > > Just a thought :-) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > PS a more attractive subject line may also help your cause > > > > >> MGC: >> === >> name: Herbert S. Markham >> buried: Connecticut, United States >> b: 1855 (England?), d: 1873. >> I would like to know more of him !. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No messages with attachments arrived here... eddy in bavaria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Gardiner" <maggie.sunshine@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:24 AM Subject: [LIN] attachments? > I'm rather puzzled by the latest digest message from this list. It has > arrived with two attachments, entitled 'no name'. I'm a little reluctant > (well, very, actually) to open them. Has anyone else received the same > unusually format? Is this a glitch in the system? > > Maggie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's easy for me to reassure you, Margaret, that Rootsweb doesn't send out e-mail with attachments, but Rootsweb isn't the only character in this drama.  Your gmail software also has to "process" the e-mail and make it readable.  And it is possible that it treats some of message pieces as attachments.  Usually these are harmless. My suggestion is to ignore them.  On any e-mail.  If you get an e-mail with an attachment from someone you know, ask them first if they meant to send you an attachment.  It's too easy for some kook to "spoof" an e-mail address and send you malicious software.  So double check before opening anything.     Lou ________________________________ From: Margaret Gardiner <maggie.sunshine@blueyonder.co.uk> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:24 AM Subject: [LIN] attachments? I'm rather puzzled by the latest digest message from this list. It has arrived with two attachments, entitled 'no name'. I'm a little reluctant (well, very, actually) to open them. Has anyone else received the same unusually format? Is this a glitch in the system? Maggie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maggie I did not receive the message you refer to. Rootsweb does not permit attachments so never open these. If you get an odd message which has a number of other odd email address never open these as they have somehow got through the rootsweb spam filters. Victor On 11/05/2012 8:24 AM, Margaret Gardiner wrote: > I'm rather puzzled by the latest digest message from this list. It has > arrived with two attachments, entitled 'no name'. I'm a little reluctant > (well, very, actually) to open them. Has anyone else received the same > unusually format? Is this a glitch in the system? > > Maggie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm rather puzzled by the latest digest message from this list. It has arrived with two attachments, entitled 'no name'. I'm a little reluctant (well, very, actually) to open them. Has anyone else received the same unusually format? Is this a glitch in the system? Maggie

Just managed to type up the ones I transcribed two weeks ago! LRSM = Lincoln, Rutland and Stamford Mercury Full details from the newspaper are given below; I have no further information. LRSM 27 June 1856 Lincoln City Petty Sessions 21 June John MITCHELL, jun., carpenter, of Laughterton, was charged with being the father of the illegitimate child of Fanny GILBERT. It was ordered that the defendant pay 1s. 6d. weekly. Lincoln City Petty Sessions 25 June Hy. JOHNSON was committed for three months for neglecting to pay the arrears due to Mary MACKINDER in a case of illegitimacy. Lincoln Kesteven Petty Sessions 20 June Rd. MARRIOTT, of Whisby, was ordered to pay 1s. 6d. weekly towards the support of the illegitimate child of Ann HODSON. Spittlegate Petty Sessions 20 June Sarah ALCOCK, of Claypole, applied for an order in bastardy upon Wm. ELSTON, of the Temple, but failed to prove her case. Application dismissed. She was told to pay the constable’s expenses, £1. 3s. 3d. for serving the summonses 27 miles off. Mr. MANNERS excused his fees. The application of Sarah RASON, of Braceby, for an order in bastardy upon Daniel WILSON, of Hanby, was dismissed. Boston Petty Sessions 23 June George HORTON, of Leake, brewer, was brought up under a warrant for disobeying an order in bastardy. In his defence, Horton produced two receipts signed by the complainant, Mahala MABLESON, purporting to be in full discharge of all arrears due under the order: the last receipt had a very suspicious appearance, the word “full” having been interlined. The complainant swore that 12s. were yet due to her, not with standing the receipts, which she had signed without taking any particular notice of them. The Magistrates, under the circumstances, dismissed the complaint. Sleaford Petty Sessions 23 June An order of 1s. 6d. per week was made upon Luke HARMSTON, of Helpringham on the application of Martha LIGHTFOOT, of the same place, for the maintenance of her illegitimate child. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk

I've got a bit behind, and have only just sent the updated publications list etc. to the webmaster. These are already available on www.genfair.co.uk and www.parishchest.com : Crime and Punishment CD £5 - three microfiche publications on CD Metropolitan Police Officers, Lincolnshire Born: The earliest record of a Lincolnshire man joining the Metropolitan Police on this CD is 1824. Several sources were searched for information including Service Records and Pension Records. There are also some miscellaneous entries from a variety of sources. Extracts from the Hue and Cry, Police Gazette: The following years were searched for references to Lincolnshire People: 1830, 1838, 1839, 1877 (1 issue), 1879 (6 issues), 1884. This paper was used by the Police, Army and other authorities searching for miscreants including criminals and deserters. Full descriptions of those being sought are usually given. Lincoln Gaol Register 1808-1843: This register is at The National Archives, Kew. All Lincolnshire people found in the register have been included. The details given include name, age, birthplace, description, date of committal, crime and sentence. Books Spilsby Union Workhouse Minutes (extracts) Part 3 1851-1864 Stamford Union Workhouse Minutes (extracts) Part 7 1856-1859 Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk

Did his Father have two Forenames ?? There is a John LOWE born 10 May 1803 Alford Parents Francis & Mary LOWE St Wilfrid Church Male On FreeREG Lins Website Bill Stratton ----- Original Message ----- From: <vjspringer@aol.com> > > > > I have one other Missing Child in this family. His name is John Lowe. He > was baptized in 1803 in Alford. His parents were Thomas and Mary. That > is all that I know about him so he truly is a lost child. It is such a > common name that I don't expect that I will ever find him. > > Thanks for any help that you can be. > Velma > VJSpringer@aol.com > .

There is a Mary LOWE Died 03 March 1817 Alford St Wilfrid no age on FreeREG Lins There is a William Lowe & Elizabeth TORY Marriage 92 Oct 1805 Morton Br Bourne 'Elizabeth--Mary' ?? Groom Bachelor Bride Spinster Wit Thomas TORY, William CAPE Bill Stratton Cole Harbour NS ----- Original Message ----- From: <vjspringer@aol.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:06 PM Subject: [LIN] Several Questions > > Hi, > > I just asked about William Lowe born 1805 in Alford and I am greatful for > so many answers. I think now that he died before > 1840. How might I find a death record for him? > > I was particularly interested in the answers about Mary Dawson, his > mother. I now have some places to start looking. Is there any sort of > web site that would give all of the Mary Dawsons in Lincolnshire? She > married Thomas Lowe in 1800 and died in 1817. > I am looking for any Mary Dawson in Lincolnshire who would have been born > at a time when a 1800 marriage would make sense. > She is my biggest brickwall because she is a direct line ancestor. and I > have been looking for her for over 10 years. > > > I have one other Missing Child in this family. His name is John Lowe. He > was baptized in 1803 in Alford. His parents were Thomas and Mary. That > is all that I know about him so he truly is a lost child. It is such a > common name that I don't expect that I will ever find him. >

Hi, I just asked about William Lowe born 1805 in Alford and I am greatful for so many answers. I think now that he died before 1840. How might I find a death record for him? I was particularly interested in the answers about Mary Dawson, his mother. I now have some places to start looking. Is there any sort of web site that would give all of the Mary Dawsons in Lincolnshire? She married Thomas Lowe in 1800 and died in 1817. I am looking for any Mary Dawson in Lincolnshire who would have been born at a time when a 1800 marriage would make sense. She is my biggest brickwall because she is a direct line ancestor. and I have been looking for her for over 10 years. I have one other Missing Child in this family. His name is John Lowe. He was baptized in 1803 in Alford. His parents were Thomas and Mary. That is all that I know about him so he truly is a lost child. It is such a common name that I don't expect that I will ever find him. Thanks for any help that you can be. Velma VJSpringer@aol.com .

Roger You are correct there. This is what the CWGC site says It also records details of the 67,000 Commonwealth civilians who died "as a result of enemy action" in the Second World War. Victor On 08/05/2012 11:24 PM, Roger Partridge wrote: > Hi Lou, Nivard& Listers ! > > I may be wrong (?) but I think it was not until WW2 that "Civilian > Dead" were included > in the CWGC website ? I feel sure that I have read it somewhere, but > now cannot > remember where ?? > > Best Wishes ! Roger. > --------------------- > On 8 May 2012, at 23:00, Nivard Ovington wrote: > >> Selina was the daughter of John and Emma BURR >> (born 1857 Minting& 1869 Welton Lincs respectively) >> >> In 1911 Selina is enumerated as born Brattleby Lincolnshire where >> they are living at the time >> >> Brother Oswald sister Isabella >> >> England& Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Selina Mary Burr >> Name: Selina Mary Burr >> Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1896 >> Registration district: Lincoln >> Inferred County: Lincolnshire >> Volume: 7a >> Page: 537 >> >> England& Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Selina M Burr >> Name: Selina M Burr >> Birth Date: abt 1896 >> Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1918 >> Age at Death: 22 >> Registration district: Pancras >> Inferred County: London >> Volume: 1b >> Page: 285 >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> ------------------------------ >> She's not one of mine, but who was she? >> >> Listed on the War Memorial at Brattleby: Selina Mary BURR >> >> Now, I'm assuming she died in WW I, but I haven't been able to find >> anything on her. I wonder if >> they got her name wrong on the stone. She's not listed under that >> name on the Commonwealth War >> Graves database. >> >> 'Tis a puzzlement. Is she one of yours? >> >> Lou > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lou, Nivard & Listers ! I may be wrong (?) but I think it was not until WW2 that "Civilian Dead" were included in the CWGC website ? I feel sure that I have read it somewhere, but now cannot remember where ?? Best Wishes ! Roger. --------------------- On 8 May 2012, at 23:00, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Selina was the daughter of John and Emma BURR > (born 1857 Minting & 1869 Welton Lincs respectively) > > In 1911 Selina is enumerated as born Brattleby Lincolnshire where > they are living at the time > > Brother Oswald sister Isabella > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Selina Mary Burr > Name: Selina Mary Burr > Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1896 > Registration district: Lincoln > Inferred County: Lincolnshire > Volume: 7a > Page: 537 > > England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Selina M Burr > Name: Selina M Burr > Birth Date: abt 1896 > Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1918 > Age at Death: 22 > Registration district: Pancras > Inferred County: London > Volume: 1b > Page: 285 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > ------------------------------ > She's not one of mine, but who was she? > > Listed on the War Memorial at Brattleby: Selina Mary BURR > > Now, I'm assuming she died in WW I, but I haven't been able to find > anything on her. I wonder if > they got her name wrong on the stone. She's not listed under that > name on the Commonwealth War > Graves database. > > 'Tis a puzzlement. Is she one of yours? > > Lou

Selina was the daughter of John and Emma BURR (born 1857 Minting & 1869 Welton Lincs respectively) In 1911 Selina is enumerated as born Brattleby Lincolnshire where they are living at the time Brother Oswald sister Isabella England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Selina Mary Burr Name: Selina Mary Burr Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1896 Registration district: Lincoln Inferred County: Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 537 England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Selina M Burr Name: Selina M Burr Birth Date: abt 1896 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1918 Age at Death: 22 Registration district: Pancras Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 285 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) She's not one of mine, but who was she? Listed on the War Memorial at Brattleby: Selina Mary BURR Now, I'm assuming she died in WW I, but I haven't been able to find anything on her. I wonder if they got her name wrong on the stone. She's not listed under that name on the Commonwealth War Graves database. 'Tis a puzzlement. Is she one of yours? Lou

Hi, Tony,     The parish clerk, as of the late 1800s, typically kept the parish council minutes.  Prior to that, they were often one of the churchwardens and might have kept track of what the church spent on repairs.  The place to look for ecclesiastical records is the "parish chest".  You might find confirmation records, ledgers, correspondence and all sorts of oddments.  A lot of that stuff didn't have to be archived, so one parish may have a lot of good stuff in their chest, while the parish where my relatives lived may be empty.     The parish chest used to hold the old church registers, but many of those have been turned over to the county Records Office (or Archives).     There is a good article on one man's experience with the parish chest: https://www.familysearch.org/blog/parish-chest-records/         Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: ANTONY BARBER <antony.barber1@btinternet.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] George Luty Parish Clerk Thanks to all those who replied to my query. Special thanks to Nivard, who spotted the entry in Morris' Directory (one of the lesser known directories published during the 19th century). I wonder what happened to all the records kept by the parish clerk. Presumably he kept minutes of the meetings of the Parish Council, just like in the Vicar of Dibley, give or take century, (a TV sitcom for those overseas who haven't seen it).  If they exist they must be a mine of information about parish events. George Luty was my 2x great grandfather, and although he appeared as an Ag. Lab. in the 1851 census, he was a cottager of 30 acres in 1861 and a parish clerk in 1863.  He was born in c. 1811 so he must have benefitted from the educational opportunities described by Lou. Despite the education available, I have come across certificates, even wills, signed by a mark until much later in the century. I know there are still people today with limited abilities at reading and writing, but almost everyone can at least sign their names. Antony <Up until the mid 1800s most of our ancestors could neither read or write.  This started to change in the 1700s as more people went to religious schools where the textbook was the Bible.  But in the early 1800s there was a strong push for universal education, at least through age 10 or eleven.  The Factory Act of 1802 required four years of education for the young people employed in the new factories.  And they couldn't even text using their thumbs!  Not yet.> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

She's not one of mine, but who was she? Listed on the War Memorial at Brattleby:  Selina Mary BURR Now, I'm assuming she died in WW I, but I haven't been able to find anything on her.  I wonder if they got her name wrong on the stone.  She's not listed under that name on the Commonwealth War Graves database. 'Tis a puzzlement.  Is she one of yours?      Lou

Parish Councils were formed after 1894 I think most would not like to be compared to "just like in the Vicar of Dibley" Minutes are deposited at Local County Archives or still held by the parish clerk. ________________________________ From: ANTONY BARBER <antony.barber1@btinternet.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012, 13:02 Subject: Re: [LIN] George Luty Parish Clerk I wonder what happened to all the records kept by the parish clerk. Presumably he kept minutes of the meetings of the Parish Council, just like in the Vicar of Dibley, give or take century, (a TV sitcom for those overseas who haven't seen it).  If they exist they must be a mine of information about parish events. George Luty was my 2x great grandfather, and although he appeared as an Ag. Lab. in the 1851 census, he was a cottager of 30 acres in 1861 and a parish clerk in 1863.  He was born in c. 1811 so he must have benefitted from the educational opportunities described by Lou. Antony   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would be a great shame if none of them did, but i guess most of us have left it late to ask our families i know i have, i would have loved to have asked them because i am local to them but unfortunately i can't as my partner was once married into that family and he has children there is also another big family in the area On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:44 AM, June Wilson <junewilson46@gmail.com> wrote: >  2012 at 11:45 AM, Peter HOLMES <pgh@multiline.com.au> wrote: >> G'day form Western Australia. >> >> >> >> The following article I spotted in the Spalding Guardian on line makes me >> think that someone on this list probably has some connection with this huge >> family. > > Would be a great shame if none of them did, but i guess most of us > have left it late to ask our families i know i have, i would have > loved to have asked them because i am local to them but unfortunately > i can't as my partner was once married into that family  and he has > children there is also another big family in the area > > > June > > > >> >> Let's hope that someone within their family is already on the case and >> interviewing the siblings and retrieving and retaining heaps of family >> history and memorabilia before it is too late! >> >> >> >> >> >> <<Published on Sunday 6 May 2012 09:00 >> >> THERE are big families about and then there are those whose combined ages >> add up to an impressive 767 years! >> >> Sally Cunningham (80), of Roman Bank, Saracen's Head, has done the maths and >> worked out that she and her nine surviving brothers and sisters have >> achieved that magnificent number of years between them. >> >> The large family grew up in Whaplode Drove, the gap between the youngest and >> the oldest meaning that all 11 children weren't at home at the same time. >> Sally admits: "It was crowded. We lived in a three-bedroom house and there >> was a double and single bed in each room and a little box room with a little >> bed in it. Mum and dad had a room downstairs. We were crowded, but we were >> happy." >> >> Annie and Edward Abrams had Joan first of all, now 87 and living at >> Wyberton, and she had three children, and then along came Archie a year >> later, and he had two children and is now living at Coates near Whittlesey. >> >> After a break of a couple of years, Esther arrived, and she would have been >> 84 but she sadly died in 2005. Esther had five children and lived at Moulton >> Chapel. >> >> Then came Raymond (82), of Oakham (one child), Sally (two children), Betty >> (77), of Whaplode Drove (four children), Billy (76), of Spalding (one >> child), Alan (74), of Gosberton (two children), Mavis (72), of Spalding >> (four children) and Janet (67), of Gosberton (three children). >> >> Youngest of the brood was Carol Smalley, who is 66 and lives at Deeping St >> Nicholas, and who has one child. >> >> Tragically, Carol was born seven weeks after the death of her father, aged >> 44, from cancer - Carol believes as a result of a kick from a horse. >> >> Edward was a farm worker, a horseman all his life, who lived for his horses, >> and Sally remembers as a child him waiting for her to come home to help lead >> the horses across the field. >> >> Carol says wistfully: "I always wished I'd known my dad. I always said I >> would never leave mum and I didn't. She was mum and dad to me. All my >> sisters got married at 19 but I said I wanted to stay and look after her. I >> was 22 when she died and mum was 67. >> >> "After Dad died Mum brought the rest of us up and we were never hungry or >> cold and always well dressed, although they were perhaps hand-me-down >> clothes." >> >> Both women have very fond memories of Annie, known around the village where >> she helped out on the land as "Mam Abrams". "She was the sort of person >> people would come and ask for help and she would always say yes," says >> Sally. >> >> "She was everbody's mum and you couldn't have wished for a better mum," >> agrees Carol. >> >> Naturally, there were fights and siblings would fall out, and - something >> that will come as a shock to teenagers able to lock themselves behind a >> bathroom door for privacy - baths were taken once a week in their mother's >> bedroom in front of the fire. "By the time the last one had it the water was >> perhaps getting a bit thick," jokes Sally. >> >> They stayed close, enjoying family Christmas parties in Whaplode Drove >> chapel where the oldest would dress up as Santa Claus, and each family >> bought presents to put under the tree to make sure every child had a gift to >> take away. >> >> The brothers and sisters are still close, although they are not all able to >> get together as much now as they once did. >> >> However, Sally does have one precious photograph of them all, taken before >> Esther's death, and when they do meet up they are all able to share >> beautiful memories of a happy childhood. >> >> >> >> >> Peter Holmes >> >> Western Australia.      Skype ; p.g.holmes >> >> [HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then >> Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)]. >> [CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)] [FREER >> (Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N & S Kyme, N & S >> Rauceby, Surfleet, Gosberton Clough etc., Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada >> & some in New York & Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless >> stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch). >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to all those who replied to my query. Special thanks to Nivard, who spotted the entry in Morris' Directory (one of the lesser known directories published during the 19th century). I wonder what happened to all the records kept by the parish clerk. Presumably he kept minutes of the meetings of the Parish Council, just like in the Vicar of Dibley, give or take century, (a TV sitcom for those overseas who haven't seen it). If they exist they must be a mine of information about parish events. George Luty was my 2x great grandfather, and although he appeared as an Ag. Lab. in the 1851 census, he was a cottager of 30 acres in 1861 and a parish clerk in 1863. He was born in c. 1811 so he must have benefitted from the educational opportunities described by Lou. Despite the education available, I have come across certificates, even wills, signed by a mark until much later in the century. I know there are still people today with limited abilities at reading and writing, but almost everyone can at least sign their names. Antony <Up until the mid 1800s most of our ancestors could neither read or write.  This started to change in the 1700s as more people went to religious schools where the textbook was the Bible.  But in the early 1800s there was a strong push for universal education, at least through age 10 or eleven.  The Factory Act of 1802 required four years of education for the young people employed in the new factories.  And they couldn't even text using their thumbs!  Not yet.>

2012 at 11:45 AM, Peter HOLMES <pgh@multiline.com.au> wrote: > G'day form Western Australia. > > > > The following article I spotted in the Spalding Guardian on line makes me > think that someone on this list probably has some connection with this huge > family. Would be a great shame if none of them did, but i guess most of us have left it late to ask our families i know i have, i would have loved to have asked them because i am local to them but unfortunately i can't as my partner was once married into that family and he has children there is also another big family in the area June > > Let's hope that someone within their family is already on the case and > interviewing the siblings and retrieving and retaining heaps of family > history and memorabilia before it is too late! > > > > > > <<Published on Sunday 6 May 2012 09:00 > > THERE are big families about and then there are those whose combined ages > add up to an impressive 767 years! > > Sally Cunningham (80), of Roman Bank, Saracen's Head, has done the maths and > worked out that she and her nine surviving brothers and sisters have > achieved that magnificent number of years between them. > > The large family grew up in Whaplode Drove, the gap between the youngest and > the oldest meaning that all 11 children weren't at home at the same time. > Sally admits: "It was crowded. We lived in a three-bedroom house and there > was a double and single bed in each room and a little box room with a little > bed in it. Mum and dad had a room downstairs. We were crowded, but we were > happy." > > Annie and Edward Abrams had Joan first of all, now 87 and living at > Wyberton, and she had three children, and then along came Archie a year > later, and he had two children and is now living at Coates near Whittlesey. > > After a break of a couple of years, Esther arrived, and she would have been > 84 but she sadly died in 2005. Esther had five children and lived at Moulton > Chapel. > > Then came Raymond (82), of Oakham (one child), Sally (two children), Betty > (77), of Whaplode Drove (four children), Billy (76), of Spalding (one > child), Alan (74), of Gosberton (two children), Mavis (72), of Spalding > (four children) and Janet (67), of Gosberton (three children). > > Youngest of the brood was Carol Smalley, who is 66 and lives at Deeping St > Nicholas, and who has one child. > > Tragically, Carol was born seven weeks after the death of her father, aged > 44, from cancer - Carol believes as a result of a kick from a horse. > > Edward was a farm worker, a horseman all his life, who lived for his horses, > and Sally remembers as a child him waiting for her to come home to help lead > the horses across the field. > > Carol says wistfully: "I always wished I'd known my dad. I always said I > would never leave mum and I didn't. She was mum and dad to me. All my > sisters got married at 19 but I said I wanted to stay and look after her. I > was 22 when she died and mum was 67. > > "After Dad died Mum brought the rest of us up and we were never hungry or > cold and always well dressed, although they were perhaps hand-me-down > clothes." > > Both women have very fond memories of Annie, known around the village where > she helped out on the land as "Mam Abrams". "She was the sort of person > people would come and ask for help and she would always say yes," says > Sally. > > "She was everbody's mum and you couldn't have wished for a better mum," > agrees Carol. > > Naturally, there were fights and siblings would fall out, and - something > that will come as a shock to teenagers able to lock themselves behind a > bathroom door for privacy - baths were taken once a week in their mother's > bedroom in front of the fire. "By the time the last one had it the water was > perhaps getting a bit thick," jokes Sally. > > They stayed close, enjoying family Christmas parties in Whaplode Drove > chapel where the oldest would dress up as Santa Claus, and each family > bought presents to put under the tree to make sure every child had a gift to > take away. > > The brothers and sisters are still close, although they are not all able to > get together as much now as they once did. > > However, Sally does have one precious photograph of them all, taken before > Esther's death, and when they do meet up they are all able to share > beautiful memories of a happy childhood. >> > > > > Peter Holmes > > Western Australia.      Skype ; p.g.holmes > > [HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then > Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)]. > [CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)] [FREER > (Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N & S Kyme, N & S > Rauceby, Surfleet, Gosberton Clough etc., Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada > & some in New York & Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless > stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch). > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message