Thanks Denny, I will forward your letter to Trish ( an ex Lincsgen member). Yes we are now living with our son who built a house on the side of the Nonquon river which flows into Lake Scugog. Very pretty indeed. We don't miss the city traffic at all!! Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Lowe" <heldenlowe@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Ever heard of Washingborn? <SNIP>> > The LFHS' "Gazetteer of Historic Lincolnshire ... " has no entry beginning > with "Washing" other than "Washingborough" [1997 edition]. > I see you are now at Port Perry. Rings bells from my old military days > ... on beautiful Lake Scugog if I recall. > Denny Lowe, Perth, Ontario.

Hi Margaret ... > My friend Trish ( in Oz) asked for my opinion of an 1851 census entry. We > both agree that the entry place of birth was written as Washingborn Lincs > ( transcribed by the way as Washington). > The nearest I can find is Washingborough, can someone confirm the existence > ( or not) of such a place as Washingborn. The LFHS' "Gazetteer of Historic Lincolnshire ... " has no entry beginning with "Washing" other than "Washingborough" [1997 edition]. I see you are now at Port Perry. Rings bells from my old military days ... on beautiful Lake Scugog if I recall. Denny Lowe, Perth, Ontario.

is my "Wing Dynasty" of what was then Rutland and the connection is via my paternal grandmother's side. The family spanned 6 generations of astrologer-mathematicians, land surveyors and scientific instrument makers. I have traced them back to Jasper Wing who was born about 1552 in North Luffenham and the trail leads to Pickworth eventually. The Wing name disappears when the last Tycho's (born 1726) sister Sarah married William Dexter 1742 in Empingham and this became my line. The Dexters married into the Ward family and the name Dexter was carried down in that family as a 2nd christian name for the sons. Rita in Germany

Hi Joan, That "could" be the answer but the last letter is definitely an "n" not an "o". Not to say that is right of course. I will pass along your letter to Trish.Thanks. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hank & Joan Van Daalen" <jvandaal@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Ever heard of Washingborn? > Washingborough is often shortened to Washingboro. Could that be the > answer? > > Joan

Thanks John, We had checked the Genuki Gazetteer like yourself, but as you say nothing other than Washingborough seemed to be a contender to match. Other censuses are not of any help either since Mary ( nee BROWN) states, Gainsboro,Lincolnshire, Lincs etc. Died before 1891. Oh well, I will leave it up to Trish to decide where to start her search!! Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Knight" <john.knightntl@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Ever heard of Washingborn? > Margaret, > Genuki Gazetteer has no Washingborn or Washingbourne. As you say , there is > a Washingborough Lincs just east of Lincoln. Can you find the person in > other censuses to confirm the place of birth? > Regards > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:22 AM > To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Ever heard of Washingborn? > > My friend Trish ( in Oz) asked for my opinion of an 1851 census entry. We > both agree that the entry place of birth was written as Washingborn Lincs > ( transcribed by the way as Washington). > The nearest I can find is Washingborough, can someone confirm the > existence > ( or not) of such a place as Washingborn. > > Thanks > Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont) >

Washingborough is often shortened to Washingboro. Could that be the answer? Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Knight" <john.knightntl@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Ever heard of Washingborn? > > Margaret, > > Genuki Gazetteer has no Washingborn or Washingbourne. As you say , there > is > a Washingborough Lincs just east of Lincoln. Can you find the person in > other censuses to confirm the place of birth? > > Regards > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:22 AM > To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Ever heard of Washingborn? > > My friend Trish ( in Oz) asked for my opinion of an 1851 census entry. We > both agree that the entry place of birth was written as Washingborn Lincs > ( transcribed by the way as Washington). > The nearest I can find is Washingborough, can someone confirm the > existence > ( or not) of such a place as Washingborn. > > Thanks > Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My friend Trish ( in Oz) asked for my opinion of an 1851 census entry. We both agree that the entry place of birth was written as Washingborn Lincs ( transcribed by the way as Washington). The nearest I can find is Washingborough, can someone confirm the existence ( or not) of such a place as Washingborn. Thanks Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont)

Hi Mo The Probate entry is on Ancestry in the Probate Calendars I will send the entry offlist There are several Australia's in the GRO index Australia CLEMENSHA now theres a name to be proud of :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/06/2012 19:45, Maureen Burton wrote: > Hi Nivard > What an amazing name to live up to. Don't think I have ever heard the > name Australia used in this way before. > Thank you so much for your help AGAIN!!! > I have just one question, if you don't mind....Where did you find the will? > > Thanks again > > Mo

Hi Pam Thanks again for your help. What incredible resources the Lincolnshire area has. I only wish East Surrey had the same resources. Many thanks for your kindness. Regards Mo On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Pam Downes <pam@five-oaks.co.uk> wrote: > Easiest way is to search on FreeBMD for Tyler births in Spalding > registration district between 1842 and 1860. > That way you will find that Henry's age in 1861 is likely to be 10. :) > Though if you search for births and deaths at the same time, it might be > useful. > > If you haven't already got it, the basic details of Luke's marriage can > be found here > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > Spalding spreadsheet > > Pam > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > > On 25/06/2012 17:19, Maureen Burton wrote: >> I have the following information from Find my Past on the TYLER family >> but need some clarification please. >> >> I am unsure of the initials of the first 3 children and need some help >> to decipher. I believe they are S. S./F./C. >> Also in the 1861 Census, the age of Henry is unclear. I think it is 14 >> do you know better? >> >> 1851 Census - Spalding, Lincs >> HO/107 piece 2096 folio 411 page 2 >> 19 Double Street >> >> Robert Luke Tyler Head Marr Age 39 years Solicitors General Clerk born >> Boston, Lincs >> Mary Tyler Wife Marr Age 27 years born Moulton, Lincs >> S. S. Tyler Son Single Age 6 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs >> F. Tyler Son Single Age 4 years born Spalding, Lincs >> C. Tyler Daugh Single Age 2 years born Spalding, Lincs >> H. Tyler Son Single Age 9 months born Spalding, Lincs >> Rebecca Barlow Visitor Single Age 26 years Governess born Moulton, Lincs >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 1861 Census - Skirbeck, Lincs >> RG09 piece 2388 folio 20 Page 4 >> 25 Military Row, Skirbeck, Lincs >> >> Robert Luke Tyler Head Marr Age 49 Asst Clerk of the Peace of the >> Courts of Quarter Sessions of the Peace at Boston & Spalding born >> Boston, Lincs >> ? Tyler Wife Marr Age 35 born Boston, Lincs >> Francis Tyler Son Single Age 14 years Tailor born Spalding, Lincs >> Lydia Tyler Daugh Single Age 9 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs >> Henry Tyler Son Single Age ?14 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs >> Walter Tyler Son Single Age 6 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs >> Robert Tyler Son Single Age 2 years born Spalding, Lincs >> Jane Kitchen Servant Single Age 16 years House Servant born Spalding, Lincs >> >> Thanks for any help >> >> Regards >> >> Mo > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Maureen Burton Member ESFHS

Hi Nivard What an amazing name to live up to. Don't think I have ever heard the name Australia used in this way before. Thank you so much for your help AGAIN!!! I have just one question, if you don't mind....Where did you find the will? Thanks again Mo On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi Mo > > The son aged 6 in 1851 would most likely be > > Births Mar 1845 > Tyler John Stephen Spalding 14 596 > > Who was also the executor of Robert Lukes will in 1867 > > Robert Luke TYLER died 20 Oct 1867 at 23 High Street Boston > > proved 21 Nov 1867 by the oath of John Stephen TYLER of 10 Thorne road > Lambeth Surrey the son and sole executor > > If you check freebmd you will find Francis and Clara (F & C) plus others > registered in Spalding > > This entry caught my eye, no idea if its connected to your TYLERs I just > admired the parents for naming the child so > > Births Dec 1870 > Tyler Australia George A Spalding 7a 315 > > Despite his name he appears to have died in Birmingham > > Deaths Mar 1943 > TYLER Australia G A 72 Birmingham 6d 75 > > And yes 14 for the age in 1861 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > On 25/06/2012 17:19, Maureen Burton wrote: >> I have the following information from Find my Past on the TYLER family >> but need some clarification please. >> >> I am unsure of the initials of the first 3 children and need some help >> to decipher. I believe they are S. S./F./C. >> Also in the 1861 Census, the age of Henry is unclear. I think it is 14 >> do you know better? >> >> 1851 Census - Spalding, Lincs >> HO/107 piece 2096 folio 411 page 2 >> 19 Double Street > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Maureen Burton Member ESFHS

Not from one of Ann Cole's bastardy reports but an interesting investigation none-the-less. "James Headgoose HOLMES (the middle name appears on his death certificate but not on his birth certificate) was born on 19 March 1861 at Frampton near Kirton in south Lincolnshire. His mother was Maria HOLMES; no father's name is given on his birth certificate." (David Howell - Dictionary of Labour Biography Volume 11) Surprisingly, Maria did not register her son's name as James Headgoose HOLMES, although that is the name used on his first marriage certificate in 1880, on the birth certificate of his second son Charles in 1884, on the birth certificate of his fourth son Harry in 1892, and on his own death certificate in 1934. The man I suspect of being his father died in September 1881. It seems probable that his father was the James EDGOOSE 1837-1881 whose surname was written HEADGOOSE in the register of baptisms at St. Giles, Durham, and who described himself as James HEADGOOSE on his own marriage certificate in Nottinghamshire in 1871. His father Joel EDGOOSE left Lincolnshire in 1831 following a scandal in which he and James's grandfather were implicated (his grandfather was transported) but was back in Lincolnshire by 1851. James decamped to Yorkshire at some time before the 1861 census, perhaps to avoid accepting responsibility for Maria HOLMES' child. James Edward Headgoose HOLMES married Eliza Ann BREWSTER at Sutterton Parish Church on 14 October 1880. He was described as a 20 year old bachelor, a labourer, son of Charles HOLMES, labourer. Did he believe that he was the son of Charles HOLMES, his grandfather, who presumably brought him up, or was he trying to prevent his bride from discovering his illegitimacy? If the latter, why did he include the name HEADGOOSE amongst his forenames and, if he knew his father's identity, why didn't he include it on the marriage certificate instead of Charles HOLMES? James Headgoose HOLMES died aged 73 on 1 October 1934 at 16 Brunner Road, Brentham, Ealing, Middlesex. His occupation was an Organiser for the National Union of Railwaymen (retired). Who was the father of James Headgoose HOLMES? Two candidates, two brothers: James EDGOOSE (1837-1881) baptised James HEADGOOSE and John Robert EDGOOSE (1839-1914) baptised John R. HEADGOOSE Both were miners at some time: James from at least 1865 until his death in 1881, and John Robert from at least 1865 until 1884. 1861 His birth certificate: James HOLMES 1861 Census: James HOLMES, "Son Law" of Charles HOLMES agricultural labourer. 1871 Census: James HOLMES, Grandson of Charles HOLMES agricultural labourer. 1880 Certificate of his first marriage: James Edward Headgoose HOLMES, son of Charles HOLMES, labourer. (Charles HOLMES died in1891) 1881 Census: James HOLMES. 1881 Birth certificate of his daughter Mary Elizabeth HOLMES: James HOLMES. 1882 Birth certificate of his eldest son John Thomas HOLMES: name of father: James HOLMES 1884 Birth certificate of his second son Charles HOLMES: name of father James Headgoose HOLMES. 1887 Birth certificate of his third son William HOLMES: James HOLMES 1891 Census: James HOLMES. 1892 Birth certificate of his fourth son Harry HOLMES: James Headgoose HOLMES 1901 Census: James HOLMES. 1911 Census: James HOLMES. 1915 Death certificate of his first wife: James HOLMES. 1915 Marriage certificate of his son Charles HOLMES: James HOLMES. 1916 Certicate of his second marriage: James HOLMES, son of John HOLMES deceased coal miner (hewer). 1917 Death of his son Charles HOLMES: James HOLMES. 1934 His death certificate: James Headgoose HOLMES. 1934 His obituary: James E. E. HOLMES. James Headgoose HOLMES, Lincolnshire born and bred, is the only "EDGOOSE" to feature in the Dictionary of National Biography and, although he stood for parliament as a Liberal, he is apparently considered to be one of the founder members of the Labour Party. A great deal more information can be found at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=medgoose1538/I5912 Michael James Edgoose

Hi Mo The son aged 6 in 1851 would most likely be Births Mar 1845 Tyler John Stephen Spalding 14 596 Who was also the executor of Robert Lukes will in 1867 Robert Luke TYLER died 20 Oct 1867 at 23 High Street Boston proved 21 Nov 1867 by the oath of John Stephen TYLER of 10 Thorne road Lambeth Surrey the son and sole executor If you check freebmd you will find Francis and Clara (F & C) plus others registered in Spalding This entry caught my eye, no idea if its connected to your TYLERs I just admired the parents for naming the child so Births Dec 1870 Tyler Australia George A Spalding 7a 315 Despite his name he appears to have died in Birmingham Deaths Mar 1943 TYLER Australia G A 72 Birmingham 6d 75 And yes 14 for the age in 1861 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/06/2012 17:19, Maureen Burton wrote: > I have the following information from Find my Past on the TYLER family > but need some clarification please. > > I am unsure of the initials of the first 3 children and need some help > to decipher. I believe they are S. S./F./C. > Also in the 1861 Census, the age of Henry is unclear. I think it is 14 > do you know better? > > 1851 Census - Spalding, Lincs > HO/107 piece 2096 folio 411 page 2 > 19 Double Street

-snip- What I found was so inaccurate that it was laughable. -snip- I've even had people "correct" my own trees and send them back to me.  No documentation, no proof, just lots of extra names and "birth" dates.  I had a fellow once who argued with me that his father's name was incorrect on my tree.  I had "Archibald" and the man had known his father as "Archie".  But his US Social Security registration was under Archibald.  Some people never let facts get in their way. Nivard is right.  Do your best.     Lou

Hi, Missing Lincs,     I don't really know if this is idea #8.  I've lost track!     Look up someone who is "famous by association".  What do you know about Alfred Lord Tennyson's family?  Did you know that his brother was the vicar at Grasby parish church?  Did you know that these two men married two sisters?  What were the girls' names?  What can you find about their family?  Has the work been done already?  I'll bet it has.  Were they Lincolnshire lasses?  Again, tell us what you find.     You get the idea.  It doesn't have to be Tennyson, but there should be some "touch" of celebrity in the family.  Shall we review Lady Godiva's Lincolnshire connection?  I think not.  It's all in the archive if you are interested.     These exercises are designed to get your mental muscles exercised and maybe learn a thing or two you didn't already know/  How is your study of military records coming along?     I'll bet there's a person in the Lincolnshire criminals database who'd make for some interesting research.  Could be one of my relatives!         Lou

Easiest way is to search on FreeBMD for Tyler births in Spalding registration district between 1842 and 1860. That way you will find that Henry's age in 1861 is likely to be 10. :) Though if you search for births and deaths at the same time, it might be useful. If you haven't already got it, the basic details of Luke's marriage can be found here http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Spalding spreadsheet Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 25/06/2012 17:19, Maureen Burton wrote: > I have the following information from Find my Past on the TYLER family > but need some clarification please. > > I am unsure of the initials of the first 3 children and need some help > to decipher. I believe they are S. S./F./C. > Also in the 1861 Census, the age of Henry is unclear. I think it is 14 > do you know better? > > 1851 Census - Spalding, Lincs > HO/107 piece 2096 folio 411 page 2 > 19 Double Street > > Robert Luke Tyler Head Marr Age 39 years Solicitors General Clerk born > Boston, Lincs > Mary Tyler Wife Marr Age 27 years born Moulton, Lincs > S. S. Tyler Son Single Age 6 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs > F. Tyler Son Single Age 4 years born Spalding, Lincs > C. Tyler Daugh Single Age 2 years born Spalding, Lincs > H. Tyler Son Single Age 9 months born Spalding, Lincs > Rebecca Barlow Visitor Single Age 26 years Governess born Moulton, Lincs > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 1861 Census - Skirbeck, Lincs > RG09 piece 2388 folio 20 Page 4 > 25 Military Row, Skirbeck, Lincs > > Robert Luke Tyler Head Marr Age 49 Asst Clerk of the Peace of the > Courts of Quarter Sessions of the Peace at Boston & Spalding born > Boston, Lincs > ? Tyler Wife Marr Age 35 born Boston, Lincs > Francis Tyler Son Single Age 14 years Tailor born Spalding, Lincs > Lydia Tyler Daugh Single Age 9 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs > Henry Tyler Son Single Age ?14 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs > Walter Tyler Son Single Age 6 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs > Robert Tyler Son Single Age 2 years born Spalding, Lincs > Jane Kitchen Servant Single Age 16 years House Servant born Spalding, Lincs > > Thanks for any help > > Regards > > Mo

I have the following information from Find my Past on the TYLER family but need some clarification please. I am unsure of the initials of the first 3 children and need some help to decipher. I believe they are S. S./F./C. Also in the 1861 Census, the age of Henry is unclear. I think it is 14 do you know better? 1851 Census - Spalding, Lincs HO/107 piece 2096 folio 411 page 2 19 Double Street Robert Luke Tyler Head Marr Age 39 years Solicitors General Clerk born Boston, Lincs Mary Tyler Wife Marr Age 27 years born Moulton, Lincs S. S. Tyler Son Single Age 6 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs F. Tyler Son Single Age 4 years born Spalding, Lincs C. Tyler Daugh Single Age 2 years born Spalding, Lincs H. Tyler Son Single Age 9 months born Spalding, Lincs Rebecca Barlow Visitor Single Age 26 years Governess born Moulton, Lincs --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1861 Census - Skirbeck, Lincs RG09 piece 2388 folio 20 Page 4 25 Military Row, Skirbeck, Lincs Robert Luke Tyler Head Marr Age 49 Asst Clerk of the Peace of the Courts of Quarter Sessions of the Peace at Boston & Spalding born Boston, Lincs ? Tyler Wife Marr Age 35 born Boston, Lincs Francis Tyler Son Single Age 14 years Tailor born Spalding, Lincs Lydia Tyler Daugh Single Age 9 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs Henry Tyler Son Single Age ?14 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs Walter Tyler Son Single Age 6 years Scholar born Spalding, Lincs Robert Tyler Son Single Age 2 years born Spalding, Lincs Jane Kitchen Servant Single Age 16 years House Servant born Spalding, Lincs Thanks for any help Regards Mo -- Maureen Burton Member ESFHS

Hi Joan I long ago gave up worrying about other peoples trees All we can do is make sure our own data is correct, should we find something online we can use it as a guide or a hint but never as fact until we prove it ourselves to own own satisfaction, unfortunately not everyone does research the same way Making up false genealogies is not a new thing it has always existed, only these days it is so much easier to broadcast Some people love to collect names, others to research one particular line , neither are wrong, just doing what they want to do So I would not lose to much sleep over it as if you were lucky enough to correct all those errors today, there would be more out there tomorrow Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/06/2012 17:03, Hank & Joan Van Daalen wrote: > I have just been referred by a distant cousin to the MyHeritage.com website. I was told that some family data was available there which I might make use of. What I found was so inaccurate that it was laughable. > > What I fear is that in the rush to research their family tree, individuals are going to websites which offer unsupported information, added by individuals who have not done their homework. Unfortunately, this seems to be the trend. In a rush to provide 'billions' of records, unscrupulous sites will accept any information sight unseen, which destroys their credibility. A question of quantity over quality. > > No solution here I guess, but how can the uninitiated be warned? > > Joan in Newmarket, Canada.

I have just been referred by a distant cousin to the MyHeritage.com website. I was told that some family data was available there which I might make use of. What I found was so inaccurate that it was laughable. What I fear is that in the rush to research their family tree, individuals are going to websites which offer unsupported information, added by individuals who have not done their homework. Unfortunately, this seems to be the trend. In a rush to provide 'billions' of records, unscrupulous sites will accept any information sight unseen, which destroys their credibility. A question of quantity over quality. No solution here I guess, but how can the uninitiated be warned? Joan in Newmarket, Canada.

Hi Maria and list What a great contribution. Whilst only an occasional contributor, I enjoy reading all the posts and this one below is up there with the best. An interesting background story to our past. Thank you. Ian Scott Perth Western Australia At 04:23 PM 24/06/2012, you wrote: >Hi Lou > >The Suffrage movement began out of intelligent women wanting a career in >life other than to be kept by their husbands, Jessie Boucherett >[Lincolnshire Lady] was THE founder members of Society for Promoting the >Employment of Women [SPEW] , <snip>

John, The records on Lincoln to the Past are parish records according to the site. Meg On 24 Jun 2012, at 19:37, John redders <johnredders888@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > That's very interesting, thankyou-I too think they are the same person, but was hoping the baptism might prove it. Are the records from which free reg taken, Parish Records or Bishop's transcripts-those on Lincs to the Past would appear to be BT's, the writing is so neat, so much the same throughout, and neatly laid out, unlike many parish records >