Hi, Missing Lincs,     I just answered an e-mail from a man with a couple of questions about a bastardy hearing from a newspaper report posted to us by Anne Cole.  The questions revealed several things. 1.  If you don't know what a "petty session hearing" is, read the excellent description on Wikipedia:    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petty_sessions 2.  No, no ages were reported.  Although you had to identify yourself to the magistrates, people didn't carry identification in those days.  Your word was assumed to be good.  Besides, too many people in town probably knew you anyway. 3.  The "bench" would be one or more local magistrates, not a be-wigged judge. 4.  No, I do not know what records were kept and whether they are in the archives.  That's why we publish the newspaper reports.  They are easier to find and give you plenty to work with.  Poorlaw records in the Archives are not, alas, complete. 5.  People appearing at the petty session hearings came voluntarily.  You might get a Summons, if it was your ex girlfriend who was seeking support, but you could avoid appearing if you had a good excuse.  You weren't arrested and brought before the bench (normally - but there are exceptions). 6.  Petty session hearings were typically held at the Village Hall, if there was one, or at a local Inn, if there was room enough.  Sometimes they were held in the local church. 7.  Petty sessions were not held in every parish, but in a location that was easily reached from several nearby parishes.  Places like Louth, Spilsby, Market Deeping, Boston, etc.  Usually the small towns and larger villages had facilities where a petty session could be held. 8.  The newspaper articles are complete, so asking for more information is pretty futile.  If you want to know more, visit the Archives, search the nearest census to see if the parties are listed, etc.         Lou (list admin.)

Lou, My lawyer cousin, says when a Will was written by the lawyer or his scribe, they were paid by the word, the more words they could get into it, the more for their pockets. Pat in Grimsby

Lou When I opened my 1882 White's, I found "Hotels, etc." listed 3 columns a page from page 985 to 996.... John ________________________________ From: Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> To: "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 7 July 2012, 18:20 Subject: [LIN] Senior project - hotels Hi, for Rita in Germany and others,     Just to "take my own advice", I opened White's 1882 Directory of Lincolnshire and opened the Trades Directory section.  Under "Hotels" I found the entries below.  I expected to find more.  But there were no headings for "Lodgings" or "Rooms".  Found: Caistor, Hart Inn, Charlotte Blackburn Caistor, Red Lion Hotel, Alfred Shrove Lusby Grantham, Old Angel, G. Rolph Lincoln, Saracen's Head, Lawrence T. Thornton     I also opened the 1913 Kelley's Directory of Lincolnshire, but there were too many Hotel entries to list here (at least three columns of entries).     Kelley's 1900 Directory has almost three full columns of entries.  I don't see the "Hart Inn" in Caistor, but there is a "White Hart" on South Street.     Putting "Alfred Shrove Lusby" into a Google search reveals a number of interesting findings.      Charlotte Blackburn was probably the one born in Limber who is a widow in 1881 Caistor.      I found a Lawrence T. Thornton in Market Rasen in 1881, but I'm not sure if it's the same person.  It appears that there are several folk with the same name and initial in the 1881 census.     So, who wants to dig out an old directory and lookup the residents in a hotel?         Lou

Hi Antony Wills were drafted in that manner to theoretically at least, make it absolutely clear what the intentions of the testator were Where there was/is any ambiguity it would cost a fair sum to resolve the issue and may have left the person the inheritance was intended for destitute, hence the jargon which should leave no doubt as to the testators intentions Which is why someone may be left with just a shilling, that way there was no arguing that someone had been missed off or forgotten from a will Plus all the extra wording justified the hefty invoice from the solicitor :-) It always makes me smile that the reason for employing a solicitor is often to minimise the risks of stating the wrong wording or not making intentions clear, yet the first paragraph generally says, this is the work of Mr XXXX Solicitor, but I am not responsible if its wrong You can't win really Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/07/2012 17:04, ANTONY BARBER wrote: > I have just been ploughing through and transcribing an ancestor's will dated > 1863. There is plenty of detailed information there about his family, which > is not always the case in wills. The value of his estate was about 1500 > pounds, which relates to nearly 1 million pounds in today's value. He was a > tenant farmer, could not sign his name yet seems to have been clever enough > to have amassed a considerable wealth. Sadly his sons who inherited were > not so successful. > > > > The document is beautifully hand-written by, I suppose, a legal clerk in the > solicitor's office but uses such turgid legalese with lots of expressions > such "the said", "hereinbefore", "give and bequeath", "hereditaments > thereunto belonging situate and being in the parish". There are no > paragraphs or punctuation, although the use of capital letters seems to > serve as a way of breaking it up into sections. I have recently had my own > will prepared by a local solicitor which is free of much of that old > language and is much more easily understandable. I have always understood > that provided you make your intentions clear in a will there is no need to > express it in such language. > > > > Perhaps someone with a legal background can explain why it was considered > necessary to use this kind of language so that this illiterate farmer could > be sure that his wishes for the disposal of his property were faithfully > expressed. > > > > Antony

I have just been ploughing through and transcribing an ancestor's will dated 1863. There is plenty of detailed information there about his family, which is not always the case in wills. The value of his estate was about 1500 pounds, which relates to nearly 1 million pounds in today's value. He was a tenant farmer, could not sign his name yet seems to have been clever enough to have amassed a considerable wealth. Sadly his sons who inherited were not so successful. The document is beautifully hand-written by, I suppose, a legal clerk in the solicitor's office but uses such turgid legalese with lots of expressions such "the said", "hereinbefore", "give and bequeath", "hereditaments thereunto belonging situate and being in the parish". There are no paragraphs or punctuation, although the use of capital letters seems to serve as a way of breaking it up into sections. I have recently had my own will prepared by a local solicitor which is free of much of that old language and is much more easily understandable. I have always understood that provided you make your intentions clear in a will there is no need to express it in such language. Perhaps someone with a legal background can explain why it was considered necessary to use this kind of language so that this illiterate farmer could be sure that his wishes for the disposal of his property were faithfully expressed. Antony

Hi, Anthony,     I also wonder if there aren't two factors that influence old wills.     One:  Lawyers love to show off their knowledge, so they'll pepper each filing with Latin phrases and archaic language just to show people that they are learned lawyers.     Two:  I don't know if solicitors of the time had to determine the soundness of one's mind.  These days, lawyers are asked to prove to themselves that your not a senile old fool before they draft your will.  Most of you will pass, but I'm not sure about myself.  If you ask a question about an archaic term, it may be enough to prove that you were legally sane.     Now, I knew a lawyer once who I didn't think was sane, but I'm not worried.  He's now a politician.  :-)         Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: ANTONY BARBER <antony.barber1@btinternet.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2012 9:04 AM Subject: [LIN] Wills as a source of family history I have just been ploughing through and transcribing an ancestor's will dated 1863.  There is plenty of detailed information there about his family, which is not always the case in wills. The value of his estate was about 1500 pounds, which relates to nearly 1 million pounds in today's value. He was a tenant farmer, could not sign his name yet seems to have been clever enough to have amassed a considerable wealth.  Sadly his sons who inherited were not so successful. The document is beautifully hand-written by, I suppose, a legal clerk in the solicitor's office but uses such turgid legalese with lots of expressions such "the said", "hereinbefore", "give and bequeath", "hereditaments thereunto belonging situate and being in the parish".  There are no paragraphs or punctuation, although the use of capital letters seems to serve as a way of breaking it up into sections. I have recently had my own will prepared by a local solicitor which is free of much of that old language and is much more easily understandable.  I have always understood that provided you make your intentions clear in a will there is no need to express it in such language.  Perhaps someone with a legal background can explain why it was considered necessary to use this kind of language so that this illiterate farmer could be sure that his wishes for the disposal of his property were faithfully expressed. Antony ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You've got a tough nut to crack here, Jan.  "Privacy" laws will get in your way.  There are commercial sites that claim to provide access to "restricted" information.  I've never used one, so I can't speak to how accurate they are. I also know that local archives often have old telephone books and city directories that list people from these eras, but they don't give much family information, if any. Good luck and good hunting,     Lou ________________________________ From: Jan Moon <janmoon52@hotmail.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: [LIN] Sarah Winnifred DAY m Oct 1953 Thomas Goodson CARTWRIGHT in Sleaford Thomas died in 1961, and I think Sarah may have remarried, to Herbert PARKER in Grantham in 1970. How, with getting Thomas and Sarah marriage cert (which I can't afford at present) can I find out more about Sarah and Thomas. There are other hints on Ancestry for Thomas New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957     and Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, 1820-1873 and 1893 - 1959 Record unfortunately I only have a subscription to Ancestry UK and Australia Grateful for an help/ideas.RegardsJan                                                                ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thomas died in 1961, and I think Sarah may have remarried, to Herbert PARKER in Grantham in 1970. How, with getting Thomas and Sarah marriage cert (which I can't afford at present) can I find out more about Sarah and Thomas. There are other hints on Ancestry for Thomas New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 and Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, 1820-1873 and 1893 - 1959 Record unfortunately I only have a subscription to Ancestry UK and Australia Grateful for an help/ideas.RegardsJan

I wonder if the solicitors of those days gave the same advice that they give today. 1.  Keep it simple 2.  The will is not the place to play favorites or to punish the unforgiven. 3.  If you want to play favorites, do it now while you are alive. 4.  Keep it simple I've had friends who promised me that I could have the collection of books or certain objects, only to find that the children had thrown those things away or already sold them off.  Worse are the children who claim that they never found those things, or who refuse to talk to you.  You could make an "On death list", but it isn't a binding legal document.  If you put it in your will, it's binding, but the children may have gotten rid of it before the will is proved.  You lose. So if you want to leave your family history work to your cousin Zelda, make copies of it and give it to her now.  When my Hungarian grandmother died out here in California, two of her daughters came in and stripped the house of everything of value before she was even buried.  The other five children were furious, but powerless.  When my English grandmother died in Crayford, Kent, all of her photo albums disappeared,  No one admitted taking them.  My mother was heartbroken over that. So, do the will and get it out of the way.  Then plan with the family and advise who gets what.  Don't be surprised if they claim they don't want anything.  Actions speak louder than words.     Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: ANTONY BARBER <antony.barber1@btinternet.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2012 9:04 AM Subject: [LIN] Wills as a source of family history I have just been ploughing through and transcribing an ancestor's will dated 1863.  There is plenty of detailed information there about his family, which is not always the case in wills. The value of his estate was about 1500 pounds, which relates to nearly 1 million pounds in today's value. He was a tenant farmer, could not sign his name yet seems to have been clever enough to have amassed a considerable wealth.  Sadly his sons who inherited were not so successful. The document is beautifully hand-written by, I suppose, a legal clerk in the solicitor's office but uses such turgid legalese with lots of expressions such "the said", "hereinbefore", "give and bequeath", "hereditaments thereunto belonging situate and being in the parish".  -snip-

Hi, for Rita in Germany and others,     Just to "take my own advice", I opened White's 1882 Directory of Lincolnshire and opened the Trades Directory section.  Under "Hotels" I found the entries below.  I expected to find more.  But there were no headings for "Lodgings" or "Rooms".  Found: Caistor, Hart Inn, Charlotte Blackburn Caistor, Red Lion Hotel, Alfred Shrove Lusby Grantham, Old Angel, G. Rolph Lincoln, Saracen's Head, Lawrence T. Thornton     I also opened the 1913 Kelley's Directory of Lincolnshire, but there were too many Hotel entries to list here (at least three columns of entries).     Kelley's 1900 Directory has almost three full columns of entries.  I don't see the "Hart Inn" in Caistor, but there is a "White Hart" on South Street.     Putting "Alfred Shrove Lusby" into a Google search reveals a number of interesting findings.      Charlotte Blackburn was probably the one born in Limber who is a widow in 1881 Caistor.      I found a Lawrence T. Thornton in Market Rasen in 1881, but I'm not sure if it's the same person.  It appears that there are several folk with the same name and initial in the 1881 census.     So, who wants to dig out an old directory and lookup the residents in a hotel?         Lou

Hi June Death certificate would not indicate where buried, Spalding Cemetery was consecrated in 1854 perhaps they were buried there. There is a list of Monumental Inscriptions held at Spalding library if they had headstones or alternative contact the cemetery giving them the information you have depending on the cemetery whether they make a charge or not. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "June" <junethomazin@msn.com> To: <ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 11:09 PM Subject: [LIN] Lost BIRDs > Trying to locate where the following are buried: > > > > John Thomazin BIRD; baptized at Spalding St. Mary-St. Nicholas 9 October > 1815; BMD Index shows death for a John Bird, age 58, in the 1873 June Qtr > Spalding District > > Catherine (Barker) BIRD; born about 1814 in Spalding (according to census > records); BMD Index shows a death for Catherine Bird, age 86, in 1897 Dec > Qtr, Spalding District > > > > John and Catherine were married 6 June 1839 at Spalding St. Mary-St. > Nicholas and all of their children were baptized here. I have located the > marriage, baptism, census, and directory records. I have searched through > all of the Spalding burial records for the 1873 June and 1897 Dec Qtrs, > finding no burial record for either of them. The 1813-1900 Burials for > West Elloe District have been checked, along with the Spalding Monumental > Inscription project, and FreeREG, with nothing found there either. > > > > I'm puzzled as to why I can't find a burial record. Aside from having to > order the death certificates -- would the death certificate even show a > burial location? -- can anyone find them and/or point me in the right > direction for more digging. > > > > Thank you, > > > > June Thomazin > > USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In Grimsby in 1881, the Queen's Hotel stood at 354 & 356 Victoria Street North.  The proprietress was Elizabeth KENNINGTON, age 61, born Lincoln.  She was a widow at that time, and had a son, Albert, born in Derby city living with her.  Who else was in that hotel at other times?     Lou

Looking for a hotel to check for the census?  The Great Northern Hotel was built in Surfleet in the 1800s and was still there in late 1980s. In 1881, Thomas PLUMTREE, age 50, born Spilsby, was the Licensed Victualler at the Hotel (or Inn as it was called then).  His wife Elizabeth, born Donington, and two adult children are with them. Who wants to find the place in another census?     Lou (list admin.)

Hi, Missing Lincs,     It must be summer because the number of Spam messages has gone way up.  Fortunately Rootsweb spam-detection software prevents a lot of these messages from getting to our lists.  Of course, it is still possible for hackers to fake the sender's address to look like legitimate e-mail senders, so: 1.  Never open an attachment you weren't expecting, even from an old friend.  Verify it with them first. 2.  Never send me money because I'm trapped at the local airport by security.  I'm tired of reading about folks who've depleted their bank accounts due to e-mail hoaxes. 3.  Never visit a website because someone tells you its ""good for you" or has your family tree on it.  Do a google search first. 4.  Never buy a book that has all the YOURSURNAMEs in it.  Trust me, even if it did, it would be virtually useless.     Now, I have to go and slap my ISP around.  My website has been down for days and they have not had the courtesy to tell me when it will be back up.         Lou (list admin.)

Sarah I got all my information from British Isles Vital Index Records. Starting from Samuel born 1855, Each entry had parents so I just went up the listings till I came to Samuel who married Martha Scott and his parents were Samuel Tindall and Jane Lilly. Still cant see where I got that birth date from. The other Samuel born 1737/8 married someone else. Samuel and Janes children are Ann 1763-1763, Samuel 1764-1764. Samuel 1766-1841 [my line] Elizabeth 1767-1795. Henry 1769-. John 1772-. Thomas 1775-. Ann 1777. All christened at St Martins Lincoln Lincolnshire. These records from Familysearch. Norma South Australia On Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 03:43 PM, Sara Reid wrote: > I had another look for Samuel where described and he was there, although > the > link I circulated yesterday now seems to take you to a totally different > page. Sorry about that. > > I was wondering whether this was the right Samuel for you Norma. Your > original message was looking for a Samuel Tindall who married a Jane > Lilly. > Do you have other information to indicate that he is the right one? > > I only ask because there is an entry in the Marriages and Banns for > Coleby > for a marriage between Samuel Tindall and Mary Johnson on 24th May 1763. > Both are 'of this Parish'. It is more likely that this is the same Samuel > who was baptised in the Coleby parish than a different one. I've only > looked at the baptisms briefly to check whether they remain in Coleby > after > they marry. They have a daughter, Mary bap. in 1766/7 who dies in > infancy > and another daughter - also called Mary - baptised the following year. > There may be other children, I didn't check, however it does look as if > they > remained in Coleby rather than migrated into the 'big city' Lincoln. > > I could see some of our Fountains in the Coleby registers as well, so > I've > got my next project for the Lincolnshire ancestors pencilled in! > > Sara > > Sara Reid > sara.reid.cymru@gmail.com > > REID in South Wales and Whitehaven, England > BACON in Essex, England > GWION/GWYION in Wales > WENT in Essex, England > CLARKE in Suffolk, England > BALM in Lincolnshire, Suffolk and Essex, England > TEAT/TEATE in Lincolnshire, England > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Cole [mailto:duncalf@one-name.org] > Sent: 04 July 2012 20:34 > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIN] SAMUEL TINDALL CHRISTENED 1737. > > I had a look at both Lincoln St Martin and Coleby on Lincs to the Past. > Lincoln St Martin registers have been published and there is a copy in > the > searchroom at Lincolnshire Archives. Maybe there is an entry in the BTs > that > isn't in the register? I should think that the published book contains > both > registers and BTs. I couldn't find a baptism for a Samuel Tindale in the > register. > > However, on looking at Coleby, page 89 of the register, there is the > following: > > Samuel son of Willm & Livewell Tindale Bapt Jany 18 1738/39 > > The entry starts halfway across the page after the date for the entry > before, so Samuel does not appear at the beginning of a line. > > The William baptised in 1737 was buried further down the page. There was > also a burial for a male Tindale described as parish clerk on the same > page > as the above William. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > > In message > <1341193354.19138.140661096570985.79910271@webmail.messagingengine.com>, > norma jean mcewin <norma_jean@fastmail.com.au> writes > >Can anybody please tell me where to look for his parents. He was > >married in 1762 Carlton Le Moorlands to Jane Lilly. Last child born > >1777 in St Marys Lincoln. I have all his children christening records > >from Familysearch . There is another Samuel born 1738 on other people > >ancestry trees but I am sure that is not him. > >Norma > >South Australia > >Australia > >-- > > norma jean mcewin > > norma_jean@fastmail.com.au > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- norma jean mcewin norma_jean@fastmail.com.au -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail...

I had another look for Samuel where described and he was there, although the link I circulated yesterday now seems to take you to a totally different page. Sorry about that. I was wondering whether this was the right Samuel for you Norma. Your original message was looking for a Samuel Tindall who married a Jane Lilly. Do you have other information to indicate that he is the right one? I only ask because there is an entry in the Marriages and Banns for Coleby for a marriage between Samuel Tindall and Mary Johnson on 24th May 1763. Both are 'of this Parish'. It is more likely that this is the same Samuel who was baptised in the Coleby parish than a different one. I've only looked at the baptisms briefly to check whether they remain in Coleby after they marry. They have a daughter, Mary bap. in 1766/7 who dies in infancy and another daughter - also called Mary - baptised the following year. There may be other children, I didn't check, however it does look as if they remained in Coleby rather than migrated into the 'big city' Lincoln. I could see some of our Fountains in the Coleby registers as well, so I've got my next project for the Lincolnshire ancestors pencilled in! Sara Sara Reid sara.reid.cymru@gmail.com REID in South Wales and Whitehaven, England BACON in Essex, England GWION/GWYION in Wales WENT in Essex, England CLARKE in Suffolk, England BALM in Lincolnshire, Suffolk and Essex, England TEAT/TEATE in Lincolnshire, England -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole [mailto:duncalf@one-name.org] Sent: 04 July 2012 20:34 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] SAMUEL TINDALL CHRISTENED 1737. I had a look at both Lincoln St Martin and Coleby on Lincs to the Past. Lincoln St Martin registers have been published and there is a copy in the searchroom at Lincolnshire Archives. Maybe there is an entry in the BTs that isn't in the register? I should think that the published book contains both registers and BTs. I couldn't find a baptism for a Samuel Tindale in the register. However, on looking at Coleby, page 89 of the register, there is the following: Samuel son of Willm & Livewell Tindale Bapt Jany 18 1738/39 The entry starts halfway across the page after the date for the entry before, so Samuel does not appear at the beginning of a line. The William baptised in 1737 was buried further down the page. There was also a burial for a male Tindale described as parish clerk on the same page as the above William. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk In message <1341193354.19138.140661096570985.79910271@webmail.messagingengine.com>, norma jean mcewin <norma_jean@fastmail.com.au> writes >Can anybody please tell me where to look for his parents. He was >married in 1762 Carlton Le Moorlands to Jane Lilly. Last child born >1777 in St Marys Lincoln. I have all his children christening records >from Familysearch . There is another Samuel born 1738 on other people >ancestry trees but I am sure that is not him. >Norma >South Australia >Australia >-- > norma jean mcewin > norma_jean@fastmail.com.au >

Lou & Co, Another challenge could be to list out occupants of boarding houses in the censuses. Alternatively, just provide the names and address of the bearding house proprietors. On 3 July 2012 22:22, Pat Cook <paver207@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Is that a challenge Lou?, I will see what I can do. > SNIP... The Railway Company only employed five local Grimsby or Cleethorpes people out of their 25 employees in the hotel. SNIP.... > The building has seen many owners over the years. The ground floor is a Witherspoons, SNIP..... > Pat in Grimsby, Lincs > ________________________________ > > > Perfect, Pat. An interesting collection of souls. You could write good fiction about them. > > Lou ------------------------------------- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society ) And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ ) very Lincolnshire Family History Society ) good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ ) company.

Norma, This is too early for marriage certs. Civil registaration didn't start till July 1837, anything before that date is just as written in the PR's From: norma jean mcewin <norma_jean@fastmail.com.au> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thurcertssday, 5 July 2012, 4:00 Subject: Re: [LIN] SAMUEL TINDALL CHRISTENED 1737. Thanks Ann and Sarah for your further intrest in Samuel. Would it help if I sent away for a marriage certificate for Samuel and Sarah. That might have Sams parents on it. Sarah I joined lincstothepast but couldnt make it work for me. Norma. South Australia. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 08:33 PM, Anne Cole wrote: > I had a look at both Lincoln St Martin and Coleby on Lincs to the Past. > Lincoln St Martin registers have been published and there is a copy in > the > searchroom at Lincolnshire Archives. Maybe there is an entry in the BTs > that > isn't in the register? I should think that the published book contains > both > registers and BTs. I couldn't find a baptism for a Samuel Tindale in the > register. > > However, on looking at Coleby, page 89 of the register, there is the > following: > > Samuel son of Willm & Livewell Tindale Bapt Jany 18 1738/39 > > The entry starts halfway across the page after the date for the entry > before, so Samuel does not appear at the beginning of a line. > > The William baptised in 1737 was buried further down the page. There was > also a burial for a male Tindale described as parish clerk on the same > page > as the above William. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sara Reid > Sent: 04 July 2012 19:13 > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIN] SAMUEL TINDALL CHRISTENED 1737. > > The TZNDILL looks like a transcription error to me, or was it on the > original?  Our Teat family have been transcribed as Teal, Seat and even > Feet! > > I notice that there are two Lincolnshire Samuel Tindall (or variants) who > feature on Ancestry.  The one with the 1737 baptism is listed as being in > the Lincoln St Martin Parish Register.  As I've already mentioned in a > direct reply to Norma, I couldn't see him there (although someone with > better eyesight may fare better).  The one baptised in 1738 is in the > Coleby > PRs apparently and is a child of Wm Tindale and his wife Livewell > (probably > nee Toinbee/Toinby).  I've had a look here (link to 1737 baptisms Coleby > Lincolnshire: > http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=54349 > 4&iid=139191).  The first entry for 1737 is indeed for a child of William > (who is a weaver) and Livewell's (it looks like a William to me) but no > sign > of a Samuel Tindale/Tindal/Tindall in 1738.  There's another Samuel in > 1738 > but not a Tindale. There are evidently several Tindales in parish, so > someone else may have more luck than me. > > It does underline the difficulty of relying on familysearch, indexes and > Ancestry for information.  I try not to put anything on a public tree > unless > I have verified that it is correct (and try not to put hunches on there > at > all). It all gets pulled into the database and incorrect data or trees > where > people have been grafted on to the wrong family get fed back to us as if > they were verified facts. I think sometimes people assume that all > English > Parish Records are indexed and accessible through one website or another, > but they aren't.  Coupled with transcription errors it's a minefield. > > I hope you've had more luck with finding your Samuel, Norma. > > Sara > -----Original Message-----.  > From: John Rouse [mailto:lincs@timewarp.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 03 July 2012 21:32 > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIN] SAMUEL TINDALL CHRISTENED 1737. > > I take it you've tried all the variations in spelling? I have TINDILLs in > my > tree, but I found them spelled TINDLE, TINDALL, TINDELL, and even > - in one census TZNDILL > > John > > > > In message > <1341193354.19138.140661096570985.79910271@webmail.messagingengine.com>, > norma jean mcewin <norma_jean@fastmail.com.au> writes > >Can anybody please tell me where to look for his parents.  He was > >married in 1762 Carlton Le Moorlands to Jane Lilly. Last child born > >1777 in St Marys Lincoln.  I have all his children christening records > >from Familysearch .  There is another Samuel born 1738 on other people > >ancestry trees but I am sure that is not him. > >Norma > >South Australia > >Australia > >-- > >  norma jean mcewin > >  norma_jean@fastmail.com.au > > > > -- > John Rouse > > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message --   norma jean mcewin   norma_jean@fastmail.com.au -- http://www.fastmail.fm/ - Email service worth paying for. 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Hi, Norma! That early on, all you will find is the Parish Register (PR) entry. I looked on FreeReg and it would normally be transcribed with the PR entry, if the information was in the register, but those are blank. The Father's name is waht is listed in later years but not at this point. here's the link to the entry on FreeReg http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=1817265 Happy Time Travels! Susan

I had a look at both Lincoln St Martin and Coleby on Lincs to the Past. Lincoln St Martin registers have been published and there is a copy in the searchroom at Lincolnshire Archives. Maybe there is an entry in the BTs that isn't in the register? I should think that the published book contains both registers and BTs. I couldn't find a baptism for a Samuel Tindale in the register. However, on looking at Coleby, page 89 of the register, there is the following: Samuel son of Willm & Livewell Tindale Bapt Jany 18 1738/39 The entry starts halfway across the page after the date for the entry before, so Samuel does not appear at the beginning of a line. The William baptised in 1737 was buried further down the page. There was also a burial for a male Tindale described as parish clerk on the same page as the above William. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sara Reid Sent: 04 July 2012 19:13 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] SAMUEL TINDALL CHRISTENED 1737. The TZNDILL looks like a transcription error to me, or was it on the original? Our Teat family have been transcribed as Teal, Seat and even Feet! I notice that there are two Lincolnshire Samuel Tindall (or variants) who feature on Ancestry. The one with the 1737 baptism is listed as being in the Lincoln St Martin Parish Register. As I've already mentioned in a direct reply to Norma, I couldn't see him there (although someone with better eyesight may fare better). The one baptised in 1738 is in the Coleby PRs apparently and is a child of Wm Tindale and his wife Livewell (probably nee Toinbee/Toinby). I've had a look here (link to 1737 baptisms Coleby Lincolnshire: http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=54349 4&iid=139191). The first entry for 1737 is indeed for a child of William (who is a weaver) and Livewell's (it looks like a William to me) but no sign of a Samuel Tindale/Tindal/Tindall in 1738. There's another Samuel in 1738 but not a Tindale. There are evidently several Tindales in parish, so someone else may have more luck than me. It does underline the difficulty of relying on familysearch, indexes and Ancestry for information. I try not to put anything on a public tree unless I have verified that it is correct (and try not to put hunches on there at all). It all gets pulled into the database and incorrect data or trees where people have been grafted on to the wrong family get fed back to us as if they were verified facts. I think sometimes people assume that all English Parish Records are indexed and accessible through one website or another, but they aren't. Coupled with transcription errors it's a minefield. I hope you've had more luck with finding your Samuel, Norma. Sara -----Original Message-----. From: John Rouse [mailto:lincs@timewarp.demon.co.uk] Sent: 03 July 2012 21:32 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] SAMUEL TINDALL CHRISTENED 1737. I take it you've tried all the variations in spelling? I have TINDILLs in my tree, but I found them spelled TINDLE, TINDALL, TINDELL, and even - in one census TZNDILL John In message <1341193354.19138.140661096570985.79910271@webmail.messagingengine.com>, norma jean mcewin <norma_jean@fastmail.com.au> writes >Can anybody please tell me where to look for his parents. He was >married in 1762 Carlton Le Moorlands to Jane Lilly. Last child born >1777 in St Marys Lincoln. I have all his children christening records >from Familysearch . There is another Samuel born 1738 on other people >ancestry trees but I am sure that is not him. >Norma >South Australia >Australia >-- > norma jean mcewin > norma_jean@fastmail.com.au > -- John Rouse ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message