Tried Alumni Oxoniensis or Alumni Cantabrigiensis? Bernie -----Original Message----- From: Paul Luddington Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 4:10 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Henry Luddington Hi all I wounder if anyone can help? I am trying to find out about an old Vicar of Brattlby parish church called Henry Luddington. He was there about 1600. I have been trying for quit a while now with no luck, tryed the CCEd site, not there? even if you might know of a place to look? Thank you for your time. Regards paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I wounder if anyone can help? I am trying to find out about an old Vicar of Brattlby parish church called Henry Luddington. He was there about 1600. I have been trying for quit a while now with no luck, tryed the CCEd site, not there? even if you might know of a place to look? Thank you for your time. Regards paul

The 'CCEd' website lists a Henricus Cuddyngton at Brattleby, 6/11/1598. See under incumbants listed for Brattleby. David Meredith Nottingham > From: pluddington007@tiscali.co.uk > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:10:39 +0100 > Subject: [LIN] Henry Luddington > > Hi all > I wounder if anyone can help? I am trying to find out about an old Vicar of Brattlby parish church called Henry Luddington. He was there about 1600. I have been trying for quit a while now with no luck, tryed the CCEd site, not there? even if you might know of a place to look? > Thank you for your time. > > Regards > paul > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Missing Lincs,     I saw a discussion on another list that was started by someone asking a vague question.  We humans are good at that.  My mum was an expert at asking open questions.  "Can you get me something out of the kitchen??  "Yes," I'd respond and I'd run in and get the least likely item and bring it to her.  She didn't understand what was going on.     In my Mum's mind, the question was "are you available to get something for me?"  But that's not quite the way it came out.  I had a good example some months ago when I was walking my dog.  A man asked me, "What is that?"  "It's a dog.  They have four legs and a wet tongue and a great sense of smell."     Obviously flustered by my reply, the man asked me the question I thought he should have asked the first time.  "What kind of dog is that."  "It's a Labrador Retriever."     Turned out that that wasn't what he was asking about, after all.  He'd been reading about problems with the American Pit Bull breed, and all he really wanted to know is was it a Pit Bull or not.     So, when you have a question for the list, we'd love to try and help answer it.  Can we help you find your grandfather?  Maybe, where was he when you last saw him?  So please, be precise.  Tell us what you already know and let us work forward (or backward!) from that.  We don't want to tell you where granddad is buried if you already know that.     And, no, a Labrador is not a pit bull.  The good thing is, dogs don't get insulted.         Lou

I am looking for any information on the Plough Inn at South Kelsey. I have Joseph Quickfall as the owner in 1827 when he died, Can anyone tell me if it still exists, maybe had a name change . The only pub I can come up with is the Bull Inn . Bev on Bribie Island

Thanks for all your comments in answer to my post.  The reasons for living separately are clearly quite varied, and sometimes the result of overcrowding.  For example, Joseph Skipworth at Louth in 1891 lived in 2 rooms with his wife, a baby and a toddler.  Next door were his mother-in-law, a charwoman, and two older children, also living in two rooms.  By 1901 they were all together in one house, including the mother-in-law. But the particular one that was puzzling me when I wrote was the case of an 80 year old widow, living alone as head of a separate household in 1841, with her married son and his family next door.  Now I can't prove it, but I strongly suspect that, in spite of the double slash marks between these households, they were all living in a quite large house (still standing) which their family had built in 1664.  The alternative is that the widow occupied the large house by herself, without even any servants (having been left the right to occupy in her husband's will), while the rest of the family lived in a cottage next door.  But I prefer to imagine that when this eldest son married in 1818 he went on living in the family home alongside his parents, and that at some stage alterations were made to facilitate independence of the two generations within the building.  There is a 19th century addition at the back which may have been added for just this reason. We will probably never know the truth. Mary

Bev, If you go onto the Lincstothepast website, search for The Plough, South Kelsey. There are 4 hits. Items are held at Lincolnshire Archives in 2 editions of Lincolnshire Life, and some postcards HTH Richard Brown On 2 August 2012 04:42, J & B.H. Stegeman <beverley.stegeman@bigpond.com> wrote: > I am looking for any information on the Plough Inn at South Kelsey. I have Joseph Quickfall as the owner in 1827 when he died, Can anyone tell me if it still exists, maybe had a name change . The only pub I can come up with is the Bull Inn . > Bev on Bribie Island > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society ) And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ ) very Lincolnshire Family History Society ) good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ ) company.

Good morning all If anyone is connected to this family, particularly through Richard Varley (b 1717) Cornelius Varley (b 1720) or Scotson Varley (b 1729) sons of Samuel and Douglasia Varley of Epworth, please get in touch. We think Cornelius may have gone to London, but what happened to Richard and Scotson is still a mystery. I am trying to trace a Sarah Varley, b circa 1758, who may be daughter of one of these men. She was a cousin of John Varley the painter and his siblings, as mentioned in her will (as Sarah Woodham,) in 1836, Islington, Middlesex. Any pointers, however vague, would be most welcome. Many thanks John

Depending upon which telephone number you used, you may have got the call centre, and I doubt whether anyone there has ever set foot in the Archives. I think the Archives number is on their website, separate from the call centre. By using the former number you will be speaking to people who are familiar with the archives sources. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sara Reid Sent: 01 August 2012 17:37 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Wills Availability Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I have emailed them to check availability. I have used the service before, but only for things that have shown up in the catalogue when I've searched. I have found them to be quite slow in responding and, although I was probably unlucky with the one phone conversation I've had, polite but not very well informed (and they seemed to be puzzled that popping in wasn't an easy option!). I'm sure the archives staff are very busy, so thought this list would be an easier way to get an answer since so many records offices and archives operate in different ways. There's nothing like asking people with direct experience or who are located within the county. Thanks again Sara -----Original Message----- From: Paul Luddington [mailto:pluddington007@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 01 August 2012 17:19 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Wills Availability A very good service, have used it a lot over the last couple of years, and still got more to get, very helpfull. Paul Luddington ----- Original Message ----- From: <AFe9963285@aol.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:19 AM Subject: [LIN] Wills Availability >A form can be downloaded from Lincs archives website and posted in to >order copies of wills. See following link. > > _http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/residents/archives/order-forms/copying-servi > ces-forms/74103.article_ > (http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/residents/archives/order-forms/copying-servi ces-forms/74103.article) > > A form is also available for download to provide credit card details > to be sent along with order form > > Adrian Fenton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We learned a lot about the census returns when we did the transcribing and checking for the 1881 census (which most people call the LDS index and don't realise that family history societies did most of the work!). Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan Billington Sent: 01 August 2012 09:07 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Living next door Thanks Anne , looks like that fits 1871 Horbling RG10 / 3313 - (37) page 11. One slash at beginning of 2 xGGF , then one slash at 3 x GGF and one slash at end of that group - end of page. Love that information :-) Thanks Dan Billington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Cole" <duncalf@one-name.org> To: "'Mary Skipworth'" <mskip@xtra.co.nz>; <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Living next door Look at the slashes in the column preceding the names. If there are two slashes, that is the end of the household. If only one slash, you are looking at more than one "family" in the same building. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Skipworth Sent: 01 August 2012 07:50 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Living next door I am trying to understand the significance of a family member living separately in the next household on a census. Initially I thought of them living alone. However, this happens surprisingly often. How come the very next property was available for the grandmother to rent?? So I am now wondering if they might have been inhabiting the same building as the younger generation, but independent financially, hence head of their own household. Was the question of whether they ate their meals together really the business of the census taker? Obviously, in some cases they would have been living separately, but I believe it is much more likely is several cases that I know of that they were all together under the same roof, though financially of two households. I wonder if others can throw any light on this question. Thanks Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to understand the significance of a family member living separately in the next household on a census. Initially I thought of them living alone.  However, this happens surprisingly often.  How come the very next property was available for the grandmother to rent??   So I am now wondering if they might have been inhabiting the same building as the younger generation, but independent financially, hence head of their own household.  Was the question of whether they ate their meals together really the business of the census taker? Obviously, in some cases they would have been living separately, but I believe it is much more likely is several cases that I know of that they were all together under the same roof, though financially of two households. I wonder if others can throw any light on this question. Thanks Mary

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I have emailed them to check availability. I have used the service before, but only for things that have shown up in the catalogue when I've searched. I have found them to be quite slow in responding and, although I was probably unlucky with the one phone conversation I've had, polite but not very well informed (and they seemed to be puzzled that popping in wasn't an easy option!). I'm sure the archives staff are very busy, so thought this list would be an easier way to get an answer since so many records offices and archives operate in different ways. There's nothing like asking people with direct experience or who are located within the county. Thanks again Sara -----Original Message----- From: Paul Luddington [mailto:pluddington007@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 01 August 2012 17:19 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Wills Availability A very good service, have used it a lot over the last couple of years, and still got more to get, very helpfull. Paul Luddington ----- Original Message ----- From: <AFe9963285@aol.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:19 AM Subject: [LIN] Wills Availability >A form can be downloaded from Lincs archives website and posted in to > order copies of wills. See following link. > > _http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/residents/archives/order-forms/copying-servi > ces-forms/74103.article_ > (http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/residents/archives/order-forms/copying-servi ces-forms/74103.article) > > A form is also available for download to provide credit card details to be > sent along with order form > > Adrian Fenton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A very good service, have used it a lot over the last couple of years, and still got more to get, very helpfull. Paul Luddington ----- Original Message ----- From: <AFe9963285@aol.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:19 AM Subject: [LIN] Wills Availability >A form can be downloaded from Lincs archives website and posted in to > order copies of wills. See following link. > > _http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/residents/archives/order-forms/copying-servi > ces-forms/74103.article_ > (http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/residents/archives/order-forms/copying-services-forms/74103.article) > > A form is also available for download to provide credit card details to be > sent along with order form > > Adrian Fenton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dan In 1871 the start and end of the household should be denoted by two slashes \\ With a single \ to denote a separate part within the one household In the census reference you give there are 46 people on the two pages so not sure who your relatives are as you didn't say An example of how it was supposed to be done is the household of Mary BANKS schoolmistress The one slash you describe may be a double overlapping slash In 1841 the slashes \\ or \ were used but in 1851 they used a double underline to denote the household end and a single underline to denote a split household In practice in 1851 some used a heavy underline from the schedule column to the condition column and a shorter underline to denote a spilt household As the above was not clear enough they reverted to the slash \\ or \ as in 1841 and that continued up to and including 1901 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/08/2012 09:07, Dan Billington wrote: > Thanks Anne , looks like that fits > 1871 Horbling RG10 / 3313 - (37) page 11. > One slash at beginning of 2 xGGF , then one slash at 3 x GGF and one slash > at end of that group - end of page. > > Love that information :-) > Thanks > Dan Billington

Thanks Anne , looks like that fits 1871 Horbling RG10 / 3313 - (37) page 11. One slash at beginning of 2 xGGF , then one slash at 3 x GGF and one slash at end of that group - end of page. Love that information :-) Thanks Dan Billington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Cole" <duncalf@one-name.org> To: "'Mary Skipworth'" <mskip@xtra.co.nz>; <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Living next door Look at the slashes in the column preceding the names. If there are two slashes, that is the end of the household. If only one slash, you are looking at more than one "family" in the same building. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Skipworth Sent: 01 August 2012 07:50 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Living next door I am trying to understand the significance of a family member living separately in the next household on a census. Initially I thought of them living alone. However, this happens surprisingly often. How come the very next property was available for the grandmother to rent?? So I am now wondering if they might have been inhabiting the same building as the younger generation, but independent financially, hence head of their own household. Was the question of whether they ate their meals together really the business of the census taker? Obviously, in some cases they would have been living separately, but I believe it is much more likely is several cases that I know of that they were all together under the same roof, though financially of two households. I wonder if others can throw any light on this question. Thanks Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Look at the slashes in the column preceding the names. If there are two slashes, that is the end of the household. If only one slash, you are looking at more than one "family" in the same building. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Skipworth Sent: 01 August 2012 07:50 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Living next door I am trying to understand the significance of a family member living separately in the next household on a census. Initially I thought of them living alone.  However, this happens surprisingly often.  How come the very next property was available for the grandmother to rent??   So I am now wondering if they might have been inhabiting the same building as the younger generation, but independent financially, hence head of their own household.  Was the question of whether they ate their meals together really the business of the census taker? Obviously, in some cases they would have been living separately, but I believe it is much more likely is several cases that I know of that they were all together under the same roof, though financially of two households. I wonder if others can throw any light on this question. Thanks Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary Do you have a couple of examples so we can give a more informed opinion Name and census refs Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/08/2012 07:49, Mary Skipworth wrote: > I am trying to understand the significance of a family member living separately in the next household on a census. > > Initially I thought of them living alone. However, this happens surprisingly often. How come the very next property was available for the grandmother to rent?? > > So I am now wondering if they might have been inhabiting the same building as the younger generation, but independent financially, hence head of their own household. Was the question of whether they ate their meals together really the business of the census taker? > > Obviously, in some cases they would have been living separately, but I believe it is much more likely is several cases that I know of that they were all together under the same roof, though financially of two households. > > I wonder if others can throw any light on this question. > > Thanks > > Mary

Hi Mary I have seen this too - but because I knew , I was able to identify it was one house. It did not help that schedule numbers were preferred as identifiers rather than addresses either. In 1871 my 2nd and 3rd Grandfather's were listed as being in separate 'houses' - respective wife and 'household' listed below each of them. However I know they lived in the same property. Perhaps there are reasons why this happened. Best Wishes Dan Billington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Skipworth" <mskip@xtra.co.nz> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 7:49 AM Subject: [LIN] Living next door I am trying to understand the significance of a family member living separately in the next household on a census. Initially I thought of them living alone. However, this happens surprisingly often. How come the very next property was available for the grandmother to rent?? So I am now wondering if they might have been inhabiting the same building as the younger generation, but independent financially, hence head of their own household. Was the question of whether they ate their meals together really the business of the census taker? Obviously, in some cases they would have been living separately, but I believe it is much more likely is several cases that I know of that they were all together under the same roof, though financially of two households. I wonder if others can throw any light on this question. Thanks Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary, I think one answer, in one or two words, is economics or space. It may be that the family was too large to fit into its main home. OK, overcrowding was extremely common, especially among the poor where there were cases of several city families occupying one or two rooms in a single house. In my wife's family, country dwellers, children were farmed out to their grandparents. This gave the parents time to work. They worked very hard, and I think children lived with their grandparents who didn't work as hard, to give the children experience of urban life. I'm sure you will get a variety of reasons. A trawl through a series of censuses should help you build up a picture of what was going on, especially when the children go to school and then go to work. Also, are the heads of household working, or are they "Living on their own means"? The 1911 census helpfully provides information on the size of the house in which the household was living. HTH Richard On 1 August 2012 07:49, Mary Skipworth <mskip@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > I am trying to understand the significance of a family member living separately in the next household on a census. > > Initially I thought of them living alone. However, this happens surprisingly often. How come the very next property was available for the grandmother to rent?? > > So I am now wondering if they might have been inhabiting the same building as the younger generation, but independent financially, hence head of their own household. Was the question of whether they ate their meals together really the business of the census taker? > > Obviously, in some cases they would have been living separately, but I believe it is much more likely is several cases that I know of that they were all together under the same roof, though financially of two households. > > I wonder if others can throw any light on this question. > > Thanks > > Mary ----------------------------- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society ) And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ ) very Lincolnshire Family History Society ) good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ ) company.

A form can be downloaded from Lincs archives website and posted in to order copies of wills. See following link. _http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/residents/archives/order-forms/copying-servi ces-forms/74103.article_ (http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/residents/archives/order-forms/copying-services-forms/74103.article) A form is also available for download to provide credit card details to be sent along with order form Adrian Fenton