If you go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~englin/churchrecs.htm#Dates You'll find out that England was a hold-out on converting to the Gregorian calendar.  Thank you Lord Chesterton, for correcting that.     Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.a.mcloughlin@ntlworld.com" <j.a.mcloughlin@ntlworld.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 5:39 AM Subject: [LIN] HEADSTONE 1706/7 Does any one know why would it state March 1706/7 on a headstone as year of death? Judy. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Judy,     With "free" e-mail you get what you pay for.  No one guarantees the delivery of your e-mail.  I've had e-mail take 7 days to go 16 miles (as the crow flies) and less than 20 seconds across the Pacific from California to New Zealand.     If the Internet is busy with lots of traffic, e-mail usually gets treated as "low priority".  Some servers will even be set only to receive e-mail while the "net is busy and will send it when things quiet down.  If the server is having other problems or is taken off-line for some reason, the Internet should re-route e-mail "around it", but that can add to the delay.  It's a remarkable system when it works.  But when it doesn't, it's a pain.  My old Internet Service Provider "upgraded" their e-mail service one day and lost 5 months of my e-mail.  It took me almost a year to recover the lost e-mails from them.     So, if I don't get back to you in 20 seconds, I have an excuse.  You can use it too.  It's "the technology".     And I see that the list is no longer quiet.  Good.         Lou

Given the amount of work you've already done, it is not likely that I can help. However, having Lincolnshire Dawsons in my own tree, here is everything I have that might relate to a Mary Dawson or her relatives. Hope it helps and apologies for taking your time if it doesn't. Diana Robinson Alford Petty Sessions 3 August Sarah Ann RICHARDSON, of Saleby, applied for orders in bastardy against Wm. DAWSON, of Trusthorpe, labourer. Order granted for 6d. per week and 17s. 6d. expenses. William LOWE, of Alford, married Jane MARKHAM of East Ravendale, by License, at East Ravendale on 10 Mar 1830. Of interest also, the witnesses were Charles GREENWOOD and James DAWSON. Moulton All Saints - FHL film #1542012 Baptisms: 1783 Dec 23 Mary, daughter of William & Mary Dawson Paid duty 1786 Apr 23 Jane, daughter of William & Mary Dawson Pd dues Burials: 1785 Aug 28 Mary, daughter of William & Mary Dawson Paid duty 1788 Mar 4 Mary, wife of William Dawson Paid duty 1798 Oct 31 Jane, widow of John Dawson Paid duty NAME SPOUSE DATE PARISH DAWSON WILLIAM JALLAND MARY 1782 SPALDING SS MARY & NICHOLAS Phillimores gives additional information William was of Moulton and the date was 27 November MARY DAWSON Event(s): Christening: 23 DEC 1783 Moulton Near Spalding, Lincoln, England Death: 28 AUG 1785 Parents: Father: WILLIAM DAWSON Mother: MARY Happy hunting! Diana Robinson (nee Gardner) Now in Rochester, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: vjspringer@aol.com [mailto:vjspringer@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:17 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Yes I'm Stuck Hi, One of my biggest brick walls is trying to find my Mary Dawson. She married Thomas Lowe in 1800 in Alford. I have looked for over 12 years. I need some suggestions of what I might try next. I have look at the geneaolgy of the Vicar in Alford of the same period. He had the last name of Dawson but no luck there. I have asked on this list for anyone on this list to tell me about their Mary Dawson's and I did get answers. I could not connect any of them. I checked Yorkshire because their grandson left from there in 1850 when he came to America. I went to Salt Lake City. They have an entire floor of English records and films. They are open from 8 A.M. and close 9 P.M. I spent 4 days looking at English films with only a short break for lunch. I almost went blind from looking at so many films. I checked every Parish within about 10 miles of Alford. I also checked all of the Parishes that had a Thomas Lowe or Mary Dawson in them That is only a partial list. I need some fresh ideas of what I can try next. Make no mistake. I am not out of projects. I am working on one ancestor who had 4 brothers,many nephews, 3 sons and 2 son in laws who were in the Revolutionary War. I am looking at every site that I can find. I know that is a sore subject in England but it is partof my genealogy. Thanks for any ideas that you can give me to try next. Velma VJSpringer@aol.com .

Did you ever consider the possibility that she was never baptized? It happened sometimes, and in this case of course, the trail ends. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: <vjspringer@aol.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:16 PM Subject: [LIN] Yes I'm Stuck > > > Hi, > > One of my biggest brick walls is trying to find my Mary Dawson. She > married Thomas Lowe in 1800 in Alford. I have looked for over 12 years. > > I need some suggestions of what I might try next. > I have look at the geneaolgy of the Vicar in Alford of the same period. > He had the last name of Dawson but no luck there. > I have asked on this list for anyone on this list to tell me about their > Mary Dawson's and I did get answers. I could not connect any of them. > I checked Yorkshire because their grandson left from there in 1850 when he > came to America. > I went to Salt Lake City. They have an entire floor of English records > and films. They are open from 8 A.M. and close 9 P.M. I spent 4 days > looking at English films with only a short break for lunch. > I almost went blind from looking at so many films. I checked every Parish > within about 10 miles of Alford. I also checked all of the Parishes that > had a Thomas Lowe or Mary Dawson in them > That is only a partial list. > > I need some fresh ideas of what I can try next. > > Make no mistake. I am not out of projects. I am working on one ancestor > who had 4 brothers,many nephews, 3 sons and 2 son in laws who were in the > Revolutionary War. I am looking at every site that I can find. I know > that is a sore subject in England but it is partof my genealogy. > > Thanks for any ideas that you can give me to try next. > > Velma > VJSpringer@aol.com > > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In answer to my question that was sent on Saturday at 6.00pm that there must have been a backlog somewhere. A lot of emails I'm getting through now are dated Friday & Saturday. Regards Judy -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of judy Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2012 6:00 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Lists quiet Hi Evereryone I am on several lists including this one & they all seem to be very quiet today. Has anyone else found this to be the case? Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, One of my biggest brick walls is trying to find my Mary Dawson. She married Thomas Lowe in 1800 in Alford. I have looked for over 12 years. I need some suggestions of what I might try next. I have look at the geneaolgy of the Vicar in Alford of the same period. He had the last name of Dawson but no luck there. I have asked on this list for anyone on this list to tell me about their Mary Dawson's and I did get answers. I could not connect any of them. I checked Yorkshire because their grandson left from there in 1850 when he came to America. I went to Salt Lake City. They have an entire floor of English records and films. They are open from 8 A.M. and close 9 P.M. I spent 4 days looking at English films with only a short break for lunch. I almost went blind from looking at so many films. I checked every Parish within about 10 miles of Alford. I also checked all of the Parishes that had a Thomas Lowe or Mary Dawson in them That is only a partial list. I need some fresh ideas of what I can try next. Make no mistake. I am not out of projects. I am working on one ancestor who had 4 brothers,many nephews, 3 sons and 2 son in laws who were in the Revolutionary War. I am looking at every site that I can find. I know that is a sore subject in England but it is partof my genealogy. Thanks for any ideas that you can give me to try next. Velma VJSpringer@aol.com .

Hello Velma, Have you looked at Free Reg? There are many 'appropriate' Mary Dawson birth/baps already transcribed - and I checked for 1775 +/- 10 years. Do you have the first name of her first born daughter - that could be a clue as to her mother's name - or maybe her second born son could have been given her father's name. Or you could look for siblings of any of the Mary Dawsons who come up on the list and see if any of them had unusual given names which could have been carried on to another generation. I would go much farther away than 10 miles from Alford.... All the best Elizabeth Pugh Yukon Canada

http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=706771&iid=139466 Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/

Hi, Missing Lincs,     In that vanity that men have, we name ships like Dreadnought and Invincible as if these names were some kind of charm to chase away harm.  Such is not result.  The HMS Invincible was a Battle Cruiser with 12-inch main guns.  She sank near the end of the Battle of Jutland in late May 1916 taking with her most of the crew.  One of those was a lad from Barton on Humber named Theodore WILES.         Lou

Hi, Missing Lincs,     Another Lincolnshire lad was one of 196 crewmen and dockworkers who died on the HMS Acheron when she hit a mine off the Island of Wight in December, 1940.  Wilfred TOWLE died that night.         Lou

Hi, Missing Lincs,     A bit of history:  HMS Bideford was a warship, disabled in WWII, which shares a little Lincolnshire history.  Aboard her was Ed WINDLE of Barton on Humber, who died when the stern of the ship was blown off by a bomb.  There is more about the little warship on:  http://www.finewaterline.com/pages/gallery/dioramas/dmbideford/dmbideford.htm     Lou

Hi Evereryone I am on several lists including this one & they all seem to be very quiet today. Has anyone else found this to be the case? Judy

Shoving my oar in while Anne is probably out transcribing yet more records<g>, the list archives show this, which was part of a post by Anne on 21 Oct 2000. (And found by seaching for Benjamin Hare.) SETTLEMENT EXAMINATION dated 13 May 1818. Benjamin HARE of Horsington, Labourer. Aged 23, born at Quarrington. Married Mary SCOTT his present wife after Mayday 1815. [Horsington parish 13/SE/41] Genuki Lincolnshire has an extremely informed section on the various aspects of Poor Law http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/#Poorhouses (You need the Settlement papers section, Susan.0 And yes, I'm sure the actual document will show more detail. My 3 or 4 x grandmother had a removal order (similar but different to settlement examinations/certificates) against her and when I sent for it, I found it listed two children who had been born in a different parish to the other six, thereby explaining why she and hubby had been married for 4 years before their 'first' child was born. When you ask Archives for a copy of the document, ask them to also check for any writing on the back of the document and send a copy of that if appropriate. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/ On 10/08/2012 06:37, Susan Reynolds wrote: > Greetings! > > I've been trying to get onto Rootsweb to look at the archives and my > service keeps timing out. Anne, would you remind me please what the > examinations were? I just discovered one for Benjamin Hare at > Horsington in 1818. The transcription at Find My Past courtesy of the > Lincolnshire Family History Society shows Benjamin, labourer, age 23 > born Quarrington. Do you know if this is the only information > available, or would it be worth sending for the file? > > Benjamin was my 3rd great grandfather. He was actually born and > baptised in 1793, but I've not found another born in Quarrington > beside him. He married 13 Feb 1816 Caythorpe Mary Scott. In Feb 1817 > son James was born in Stixwould and in 1819 daughter Mary was born in > Wellingore and 8 more besides. By 1841 Benjamin was a shepherd and > after 1851 is never again on the census at home although they both > showed married. He lived to 1878 and she lived to 1883. How sad. > Mary lived with my great grandparents, William Henry and Jane Eyre > Winter in 1871 and with daughter and son-in-law Thomas and Eliza Eyre > Sharp in 1881. > > Thanks in advance! > Susan Reynolds > Kentucky USA > > >

Hello Susan, I just had a look at it and it confirms the marriage with Scott, and says where he worked for a year and thereby gained a settlement, as well as the information on FMP. It would be well worth getting a copy from the archives as he signed the document rather than making a mark. The LA reference is Horsington Parish 13/9/46. Incidentally, in November we will be publishing a CD containing all the parish settlement examinations, fully transcribed, plus all the removal orders with abstracts of the important information. These are among the documents deposited by parishes that come from the parish chest. There are over 5000 documents, and I have included all the letters, receipts, bills etc. that were found with the Exams and ROs. You will therefore be able to search by surname for all the people examined and removed, plus all the other people mentioned in the exams and ROs. In many cases useful information about employers are given. I remember one examination where the burial record of the employer's nephew is included! There are one or two missing parishes from the coverage due to my having to request conservation of some documents before I can see them and unfortunately the examinations for Cowbit appear to have been "mislaid" somewhere in the repository. They will turn up, and will be included on a Poor Law Miscellany CD to be published once all bastardy and apprenticeship records have been published, as there are lots of documents that don't conform to the main series (certificates, exams, removal orders, apprenticeship and bastardy). Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Reynolds Sent: 10 August 2012 06:38 To: Lincolnshire Mail List Subject: [LIN] Settlement Examination - Benjamin Hare Greetings! I've been trying to get onto Rootsweb to look at the archives and my service keeps timing out. Anne, would you remind me please what the examinations were? I just discovered one for Benjamin Hare at Horsington in 1818. The transcription at Find My Past courtesy of the Lincolnshire Family History Society shows Benjamin, labourer, age 23 born Quarrington. Do you know if this is the only information available, or would it be worth sending for the file? Benjamin was my 3rd great grandfather. He was actually born and baptised in 1793, but I've not found another born in Quarrington beside him. He married 13 Feb 1816 Caythorpe Mary Scott. In Feb 1817 son James was born in Stixwould and in 1819 daughter Mary was born in Wellingore and 8 more besides. By 1841 Benjamin was a shepherd and after 1851 is never again on the census at home although they both showed married. He lived to 1878 and she lived to 1883. How sad. Mary lived with my great grandparents, William Henry and Jane Eyre Winter in 1871 and with daughter and son-in-law Thomas and Eliza Eyre Sharp in 1881. Thanks in advance! Susan Reynolds Kentucky USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much, Pam and Anne! I think I shall go ahead and order it, then. I would very much like to see who was his employer. I think he knew my other 3rd great grandfather, John Winter, in Caythorpe which might explain how my 2nd great grandparents met. I'd love to know that little tidbit! One day.... Susan

Greetings! I've been trying to get onto Rootsweb to look at the archives and my service keeps timing out. Anne, would you remind me please what the examinations were? I just discovered one for Benjamin Hare at Horsington in 1818. The transcription at Find My Past courtesy of the Lincolnshire Family History Society shows Benjamin, labourer, age 23 born Quarrington. Do you know if this is the only information available, or would it be worth sending for the file? Benjamin was my 3rd great grandfather. He was actually born and baptised in 1793, but I've not found another born in Quarrington beside him. He married 13 Feb 1816 Caythorpe Mary Scott. In Feb 1817 son James was born in Stixwould and in 1819 daughter Mary was born in Wellingore and 8 more besides. By 1841 Benjamin was a shepherd and after 1851 is never again on the census at home although they both showed married. He lived to 1878 and she lived to 1883. How sad. Mary lived with my great grandparents, William Henry and Jane Eyre Winter in 1871 and with daughter and son-in-law Thomas and Eliza Eyre Sharp in 1881. Thanks in advance! Susan Reynolds Kentucky USA

Sorry need to get brain into gear - it's Thoresway not Thoresby. Mick

Are these the same people of two different? I have Thomas Lyall marrying Mary Ann Davy in Ancestry Freereg in 1848, and according to the Freereg site Thomas Lyall marrying Mary Jane Lyall 26 Apr 1848 at St Mary Church, Thoresway. Mary whoever is just Mary on what I think is her baptism "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NRRG-XF8 : Mary Davy, ; citing reference 2049, FHL microfilm 1450444. But on the 1851 census she is Mary A, and in 1861 she is Mary Ann, and Mary Anne in 1862 when she marries her second husband John Marris. (at least I think this is her) Do you think the Freereg site is wrong? The lady in the 1851 and 61 census is the right one, everything else matches except that second name!RegardsJan

Hello Jan. Thank you for raising this. I have rechecked and the bride is indeed Mary Ann Davy for the Thoresby wedding so i will correct this on the database. My apologies for causing some confusion with your research. regards. Mick Lincolnshire co-ordinator for Lincolnshire.

Jan Thoresway Register has 26 April 1848 Thomas Lyall of full age son of Joseph to Mary Anne Davy a minor dau of Edward Bernie Are these the same people of two different? I have Thomas Lyall marrying Mary Ann Davy in Ancestry Freereg in 1848, and according to the Freereg site Thomas Lyall marrying Mary Jane Lyall 26 Apr 1848 at St Mary Church, Thoresway. Mary whoever is just Mary on what I think is her baptism "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NRRG-XF8 : Mary Davy, ; citing reference 2049, FHL microfilm 1450444. But on the 1851 census she is Mary A, and in 1861 she is Mary Ann, and Mary Anne in 1862 when she marries her second husband John Marris. (at least I think this is her) Do you think the Freereg site is wrong? The lady in the 1851 and 61 census is the right one, everything else matches except that second name!RegardsJan