Firstly I would like to "Thank" everyone who replied to my email.. This is a wonderful List and ever so helpful.. I won't take up any more time on the subject as there are others who want to post and either ask a question or answer another Members problem. I will say however, in closing that a member of this list did send the information that I was concerned about and here is the Quote.. ( Thank You.. you know who you are ") ""By submitting material to the Website . . . . . . . . you grant Ancestry a non-exclusive, transferable, sublicenseable, royalty-free license to host, store, copy, publish, distribute, provide access to and otherwise use such material, including, hosting and access on co-branded services of that material, and to use the data contained in that material as search results and to integrate that data into the Service as Ancestry deems appropriate." As you say, if you cancel your subscription then you can no longer access your family tree.." End Quote. it seems that it is a " Personal Choice" from many members of this List as to the software one does use for their Family Tree.. Family Historian was very Popular.. as was the paid version of Legacy which was quite in-expensive in comparison.. In the end it's what you decide is best for you. Zi will close by saying " Thank You Lou" for allowing me the opportunity of expressing my post.. and again a huge Thanks to the List Members for your advice and experiences..It is very much appreciated. Sincerely Fay Queensland Australia. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Pamela Whilst I agree with you in principal, not everyone is as fortunate as others and cannot afford all the resources they may want Whilst people may ask, its a personal choice whether anyone responds to that request Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2014 20:09, PAMELA BAILLIE wrote: > What really annoys me is when some people ask for information that is > available on various subscription sites or through > indexes/transcription that have been produced and published with copy > write by family history societies and expect and get it > for nothing, thereby taking revenue which can be used to purchase more > resources for those that do pay

I am surprised to learn that some people have their trees solely on Ancestry and not on their own computer. Trees on Ancestry have limited use and scope compared to having software. These days there is One Drive (formerly known as Sky Drive) My own software, Family Historian, is on One Drive which is on my computer. I also have One Drive on my lap top. This means I can access my tree either from my desk top or lap top. There are other similar options like Drop box. In other words the tree are synchronised. Having your tree on One Drive, Dropbox and various Clouds means only you have access to it unless you provide someone with a link to allow access. This is not owned by any commercial subscription company. As to taking down your tree from Ancestry it is easy to do. You can also change the access to it making it private where only you can give permission to others to look at it. Microsoft have just changed the way you pay for One Drive it is about £2.00 a month for 100Gb (I will have to check this) Victor On 29/09/2014 7:48 PM, Mary Skipworth via wrote: > I have never had a subscription to any of the commercial record providers, though I make use of their occasional free sessions or the subscription at our public library. I have been following recent threads with interest, particularly with regard to members being unable to take down their personal tree. However, I assume they must be able to delete individuals from their tree. So why not 2, 3, a dozen ..... Could be a reason for not accumulating 20,000 names on your tree ..... > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What really annoys me is when some people ask for information that is available on various subscription sites or through indexes/transcription that have been produced and published with copy write by family history societies and expect and get it for nothing, thereby taking revenue which can be used to purchase more resources for those that do pay ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 29 September 2014, 19:57 Subject: Re: [LIN] On-line Family trees Hi Mary It is not true that users cannot delete all or part of their own tree(s) You can, a user can either delete one or more or the whole tree As I said previously, I wish some would do so as they have multiple trees on Ancestry, the earlier trees with out of date information are being copied here and there, spreading incorrect information Some appear to start a new tree and do not remove the old one(s) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2014 19:48, Mary Skipworth via wrote: > I have never had a subscription to any of the commercial record providers, though I make use of their occasional free sessions or the subscription at our public library.  I have been following recent threads with interest, particularly with regard to members being unable to take down their personal tree.  However, I assume they must be able to delete individuals from their tree.  So why not 2, 3, a dozen .....  Could be a reason for not accumulating 20,000 names on your tree ..... > > Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary It is not true that users cannot delete all or part of their own tree(s) You can, a user can either delete one or more or the whole tree As I said previously, I wish some would do so as they have multiple trees on Ancestry, the earlier trees with out of date information are being copied here and there, spreading incorrect information Some appear to start a new tree and do not remove the old one(s) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2014 19:48, Mary Skipworth via wrote: > I have never had a subscription to any of the commercial record providers, though I make use of their occasional free sessions or the subscription at our public library. I have been following recent threads with interest, particularly with regard to members being unable to take down their personal tree. However, I assume they must be able to delete individuals from their tree. So why not 2, 3, a dozen ..... Could be a reason for not accumulating 20,000 names on your tree ..... > > Mary

Hi Linda.. I understand where you are coming from in keeping my FTM 2014 program still running with my data...As I explained I am finding the Annual Subs quite expensive... I have even noticed that Ancestry has taken over quite a few Free Websites as I was asked to " Sign In" when searching the Family Search website.. Ugghh!!!....I had been told that once you cancel your subs with Ancestry that you lose a lot of data and also photos and... Ancestry maintains the copyright ????? . ( not sure about this one-) perhaps someone could enlighten me on that subject. I have some 25 years of work that I have really worked hard on as well as help from a lot of others on this list including yourself ( lucky we are related and can email and share).. ) until I find out that I will have control over my work in the event of a cancelation of the Annual Subs I will stick with it as I still have some time left.I am aware that one can purchase monthly access, but that may not always be convenient. Hope I'm not " nit picking here". I hope this answers your query and that of others. Cheers to one and all. Fay Queensland Australia. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, 29 September 2014 5:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-LINCSGEN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 208 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Bazza Whilst some of the free sites have been taken over by the likes of Ancestry *they are still free* Can you name a site that was once free and is now chargeable? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2014 15:59, Barry Wilson via wrote: > I hear you all about the buying up of all the free sites in family history, > which is what I have been warning about for quite some time now. > As all that you are doing buy using Ancestry to store your family history, > it is obvious that the best course of action is to do what has already been > suggested which is to use a stand alone hard drive, there are plenty on > the market with high capacities. > I have only put my early family history onto Ancestry and Genes reunited, > and I have not back either one up for for a long time, much sooner trust > hard copy and CD's at the moment, whilst I am still working on them, then > it is on to a Stand alone hard drive. > The days seem to be long gone, when it was good fun just to trace your own > family history, what with the big boys buying up every thing they can get > there hands onto, and then making you pay through the nose, even for your > own family history research. > Money seems to be the root of all evil, and now it has struck Family > History. > Good luck everyone. Bazza

Hi Pam The terms and conditions on Ancestry are a catch all so that anyone using Ancestry can access and or copy all or parts of public trees If a user wants to delete their tree, they can, there is a time delay between deletion and it disappearing but the facility is there (in fact I wish a few more would exercise the facility more often as there are sometimes many copies of a users tree from old through to new, often with many differences as they have found or corrected data along the way) But regardless of where you put your data, be it Ancestry, Findmypast, Genesreunited, etc etc once you submit it online anywhere you have lost control of it, pure and simple The only way to keep complete control over your data is not to put it online at all Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2014 11:17, Pam Downes via wrote: > I read section 3 of Ancestry's Terms and Conditions as meaning that they > can publish any details you post in a family tree as 'theirs'. > "By submitting material to the Website . . . . . . . . you grant > Ancestry a non-exclusive, transferable, sublicenseable, royalty-free > license to host, store, copy, publish, distribute, provide access to and > otherwise use such material, including, hosting and access on co-branded > services of that material, and to use the data contained in that > material as search results and to integrate that data into the Service > as Ancestry deems appropriate." > > As you say, if you cancel your subscription then you can no longer > access your family tree. > > Pam

Hi Fay As I explained in my previous reply, you *do not* lose any data or photos or whatever It is *your tree* and if you wish to, you can remove part or all of it As to companies taking over the free sites, can anyone tell me *one site* that was free and is now chargeable ? Findagrave is now under Ancestry *but is still free* Familysearch is nothing to do with Ancestry, it is completely separate Ancestry, Findmypast and no doubt others have made reciprocal agreements with Familysearch to share data links With some census you will be asked to log into a pay site from familysearch, the census was chargeable before and still is but the link to it is on familysearch *nothing has changed*, except there is now a link from familysearch where there was not one before (ie its an *added benefit* to the user) Familysearch get free access to Ancestry and Findmypast for the Patrons of the Church Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2014 10:43, Fay via wrote: > Hi Linda.. > > > > I understand where you are coming from in keeping my FTM 2014 program still > running with my data...As I explained I am finding the Annual Subs quite > expensive... I have even noticed that Ancestry has taken over quite a few > Free Websites as I was asked to " Sign In" when searching the Family Search > website.. Ugghh!!!....I had been told that once you cancel your subs with > Ancestry that you lose a lot of data and also photos and... Ancestry > maintains the copyright ????? . ( not sure about this one-) perhaps > someone could enlighten me on that subject. > > > > I have some 25 years of work that I have really worked hard on as well as > help from a lot of others on this list including yourself ( lucky we are > related and can email and share).. ) until I find out that I will have > control over my work in the event of a cancelation of the Annual Subs I will > stick with it as I still have some time left.I am aware that one can > purchase monthly access, but that may not always be convenient. Hope I'm not > " nit picking here". > > > > I hope this answers your query and that of others. > > > > Cheers to one and all. > > > > Fay

Hi Fay There seems to be a lot of misinformation around ! By default FTM 2014 downloads a copy of the images you find and attach to your tree from Ancestry (unless you specifically elect not to) So regardless of whether you are a subscriber or not, the data and images you have previously paid for will be on your computer (the easy way to tell is open FTM 2014 with no internet connection, everything including images should be available to you without being online) Any family tree you have on Ancestry will remain there untouched once you stop subscribing, *nothing* changes in the data in your tree, *nothing is removed or altered*, the only problem you would have is viewing new images that you do not have downloaded already (ie that you have not previously paid for) So whilst you can buy another family tree program, there is no need to do so Should you in six months time take out a months subscription, your tree and data will be as you left it and you will be able to add more images as you desire Your Ancestry tree will still be accessible and editable by you even if not a subscriber Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2014 00:57, Fay via wrote: > I would like to ask about the program Family Historian...I have been using > Ancestry for many , many years but am finding that the Annual Subs are > getting way out of control and I would like to keep my information that I > have put into my FTM2014 including Photos and stories.. Anyone using Family > Historian ?.... I would appreciate hearing from you offline so as not to > take up the List's time. > > > > Thank You in Advance. > > > > Fay > > Queensland > > Australia

I hear you all about the buying up of all the free sites in family history, which is what I have been warning about for quite some time now. As all that you are doing buy using Ancestry to store your family history, it is obvious that the best course of action is to do what has already been suggested which is to use a stand alone hard drive, there are plenty on the market with high capacities. I have only put my early family history onto Ancestry and Genes reunited, and I have not back either one up for for a long time, much sooner trust hard copy and CD's at the moment, whilst I am still working on them, then it is on to a Stand alone hard drive. The days seem to be long gone, when it was good fun just to trace your own family history, what with the big boys buying up every thing they can get there hands onto, and then making you pay through the nose, even for your own family history research. Money seems to be the root of all evil, and now it has struck Family History. Good luck everyone. Bazza On 29 September 2014 14:08, Victor Markham via <[email protected]> wrote: > My tree on Ancestry is about 5 years old and the one on Genes Reunited > is a great deal older. > > I have no plans to update either. > > Enjoy Crete > > Victor > > On 29/09/2014 1:02 PM, Peter Atkinson via wrote: > > Well my final word on this subject. > > > > Pam you have confirmed what I have been trying to say. > > > > Fay you have spent 25 years hard work and probably a lot of money, and > now you have no control over you data, which is under their control. In > other words > > you have worked for their benefit. > > > > I guess the big companies will hate what I am trying to advise people. > > > > After all this doom and gloom I hope everyone goodluck and break down > the walls. > > > > Now I'm off to Crete. > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================== > > Message Received: Sep 29 2014, 11:21 AM > > From: "Pam Downes via" > > To: "Fay" , [email protected] > > Cc: > > Subject: Re: [LIN] ENG-LINCSGEN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 208 > > > > I read section 3 of Ancestry's Terms and Conditions as meaning that they > > can publish any details you post in a family tree as 'theirs'. > > "By submitting material to the Website . . . . . . . . you grant > > Ancestry a non-exclusive, transferable, sublicenseable, royalty-free > > license to host, store, copy, publish, distribute, provide access to and > > otherwise use such material, including, hosting and access on co-branded > > services of that material, and to use the data contained in that > > material as search results and to integrate that data into the Service > > as Ancestry deems appropriate." > > > > As you say, if you cancel your subscription then you can no longer > > access your family tree. > > > > Pam > > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > On 29/09/2014 10:43, Fay via wrote: > >> Hi Linda.. > >> > >> > >> > >> I understand where you are coming from in keeping my FTM 2014 program > still > >> running with my data...As I explained I am finding the Annual Subs quite > >> expensive... I have even noticed that Ancestry has taken over quite a > few > >> Free Websites as I was asked to " Sign In" when searching the Family > Search > >> website.. Ugghh!!!....I had been told that once you cancel your subs > with > >> Ancestry that you lose a lot of data and also photos and... Ancestry > >> maintains the copyright ????? . ( not sure about this one-) perhaps > >> someone could enlighten me on that subject. > >> > >> > >> > >> I have some 25 years of work that I have really worked hard on as well > as > >> help from a lot of others on this list including yourself ( lucky we are > >> related and can email and share).. ) until I find out that I will have > >> control over my work in the event of a cancelation of the Annual Subs I > will > >> stick with it as I still have some time left.I am aware that one can > >> purchase monthly access, but that may not always be convenient. Hope > I'm not > >> " nit picking here". > >> > >> > >> > >> I hope this answers your query and that of others. > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers to one and all. > >> > >> > >> > >> Fay > >> > >> Queensland > >> > >> Australia. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Once you introduce a computer into the problem, Jan, all bets are off! I had two students with "computer name problems". 1. "Rainbow" had no first name (or, alternately, no last name). The college computer wouldn't let him register without a first and last name. So I suggested that he be "A. Rainbow", which worked. Yes, he was a child of the 60s. 2. Marisa Teh ran into the "Auto-correct" feature of spell-checking and got her last name changed to THE. We found that if we put her last name in quotes, the computer would leave it alone. My e-mail software doesn't like that last name either, but doesn't auto-change it. Just underlines it. So, January Marchant (or Merchant), you are not alone. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Marchant via" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 5:06:29 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] JANNEY/JENNEY - Covenham St Bartholomew Hi Anne & Everyone Just a thought. A few years ago someone was entering my name in a membership list for a group and the computer automatically turned my Christian name, Jan, into January. So it's just maybe possible the surname JANUARY could be a recent computer error not noticed by the person typing in a hurry. Jan Marchant -snip-

It could come from the Old English "Bremer" or "field of brambles." Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Barber via" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 9:36:04 AM Subject: [LIN] Middle Rasen An ancestor of mine, Thomas Dobson, in his will of 1816 left property in South Bramer Close and North Bramer Close in Middle Rasen. There is a small modern housing development in Middle Rasen (according to Google) known as Braemar Close, which I assume must be on that property, which perhaps explains why a Scottish name is found in the middle of Lincolnshire. Can anyone point me to a history of the area which might illuminate his land ownership? Antony ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lou Perhaps I used the wrong terminology. I presume you are saying that the FTM automatically backs up your work in a file on your computer every time you shut your program down. Do you think this is efficient enough "a save" or should we go one step further? I do the "File", "Export" thing and save a copy of my FTM work. Gedcom? Am I alone in doing this? L -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lr_mills via Sent: September-29-14 2:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Family Tree Software/ Amen Linda! The Computer Gods always bless those who do backups. I missed the recent earthquake in my area, but not the thunder and lightning that passed through. I trust that you all believe in surge protectors. And, Linda, I'm surprised if people are using FTM software that doesn't do its own backups, but it takes all kinds. I hope we don't have people out there using computers with floppy disks, but it never surprises me how old some business computers are. It's like arming our soldiers with muzzle-loaded muskets because we got such a good price on them. Might as well give 'em bows and arrows. Lou (list admin.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Sokalofsky via" <[email protected]> To: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:41:10 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Family Tree Software/ Thank you Nivard! You've made my point, exactly. However, we do need to back up our data in our FTM program on our hard drive regularly. -snip- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A mis-conception, I'm afraid. The list is not open to exchanging ALL information. You may discuss Lincolnshire-related family history. Our hosts at Rootsweb-Ancestry set that limit. Discussions of software belong on another list. Complaints about vendor sites generally do not fit that requirement either. You are all free to complain to the vendors directly. Even to Rootsweb-Ancestry if you think their mailing list policies are too stringent. They may take over for me if they think I am too lax or otherwise. Any one of you may, of course, offer to run this list or some other list on Rootsweb-Ancestry. I'd hate to die and be left as list administrator for six years afterward. It's like the junk mail I keep getting for my deceased father-in-law. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Van Daalen via" <[email protected]> To: "Fay" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:18:02 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] Family Tree Software/ I think the list might be interested, that's the whole purpose, the exchange of information. Joan

Amen Linda! The Computer Gods always bless those who do backups. I missed the recent earthquake in my area, but not the thunder and lightning that passed through. I trust that you all believe in surge protectors. And, Linda, I'm surprised if people are using FTM software that doesn't do its own backups, but it takes all kinds. I hope we don't have people out there using computers with floppy disks, but it never surprises me how old some business computers are. It's like arming our soldiers with muzzle-loaded muskets because we got such a good price on them. Might as well give 'em bows and arrows. Lou (list admin.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Sokalofsky via" <[email protected]> To: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:41:10 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Family Tree Software/ Thank you Nivard! You've made my point, exactly. However, we do need to back up our data in our FTM program on our hard drive regularly. -snip-

My tree on Ancestry is about 5 years old and the one on Genes Reunited is a great deal older. I have no plans to update either. Enjoy Crete Victor On 29/09/2014 1:02 PM, Peter Atkinson via wrote: > Well my final word on this subject. > > Pam you have confirmed what I have been trying to say. > > Fay you have spent 25 years hard work and probably a lot of money, and now you have no control over you data, which is under their control. In other words > you have worked for their benefit. > > I guess the big companies will hate what I am trying to advise people. > > After all this doom and gloom I hope everyone goodluck and break down the walls. > > Now I'm off to Crete. > > Peter > > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Sep 29 2014, 11:21 AM > From: "Pam Downes via" > To: "Fay" , [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: Re: [LIN] ENG-LINCSGEN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 208 > > I read section 3 of Ancestry's Terms and Conditions as meaning that they > can publish any details you post in a family tree as 'theirs'. > "By submitting material to the Website . . . . . . . . you grant > Ancestry a non-exclusive, transferable, sublicenseable, royalty-free > license to host, store, copy, publish, distribute, provide access to and > otherwise use such material, including, hosting and access on co-branded > services of that material, and to use the data contained in that > material as search results and to integrate that data into the Service > as Ancestry deems appropriate." > > As you say, if you cancel your subscription then you can no longer > access your family tree. > > Pam > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/ > > > > > On 29/09/2014 10:43, Fay via wrote: >> Hi Linda.. >> >> >> >> I understand where you are coming from in keeping my FTM 2014 program still >> running with my data...As I explained I am finding the Annual Subs quite >> expensive... I have even noticed that Ancestry has taken over quite a few >> Free Websites as I was asked to " Sign In" when searching the Family Search >> website.. Ugghh!!!....I had been told that once you cancel your subs with >> Ancestry that you lose a lot of data and also photos and... Ancestry >> maintains the copyright ????? . ( not sure about this one-) perhaps >> someone could enlighten me on that subject. >> >> >> >> I have some 25 years of work that I have really worked hard on as well as >> help from a lot of others on this list including yourself ( lucky we are >> related and can email and share).. ) until I find out that I will have >> control over my work in the event of a cancelation of the Annual Subs I will >> stick with it as I still have some time left.I am aware that one can >> purchase monthly access, but that may not always be convenient. Hope I'm not >> " nit picking here". >> >> >> >> I hope this answers your query and that of others. >> >> >> >> Cheers to one and all. >> >> >> >> Fay >> >> Queensland >> >> Australia. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >

Let's not beat up on everybody. I am a firm believer in telling people where the records are and when you folk provide kindness by looking something up, I'm proud of you. But if you are using a Society published index, which is intended for single-party use, then we get into one of my favorite discussions - usually a rant against those who claim that everything on the Internet is free or everything that has been published is free. I have friends who are musical artists and a few who are authors. It is how they make their living. My mother was a dancer. She would have wanted you to pay to see her dance. On a more positive note, let's drop this thread and see what new records are out there. I hear that some of you are finding great success using the online newspaper archives. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAMELA BAILLIE via" <[email protected]> To: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:09:26 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] On-line Family trees What really annoys me is when some people ask for information that is available on various subscription sites or through indexes/transcription that have been produced and published with copy write by family history societies and expect and get it for nothing, thereby taking revenue which can be used to purchase more resources for those that do pay ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 29 September 2014, 19:57 Subject: Re: [LIN] On-line Family trees Hi Mary It is not true that users cannot delete all or part of their own tree(s) You can, a user can either delete one or more or the whole tree As I said previously, I wish some would do so as they have multiple trees on Ancestry, the earlier trees with out of date information are being copied here and there, spreading incorrect information Some appear to start a new tree and do not remove the old one(s) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2014 19:48, Mary Skipworth via wrote: > I have never had a subscription to any of the commercial record providers, though I make use of their occasional free sessions or the subscription at our public library.  I have been following recent threads with interest, particularly with regard to members being unable to take down their personal tree.  However, I assume they must be able to delete individuals from their tree.  So why not 2, 3, a dozen .....  Could be a reason for not accumulating 20,000 names on your tree ..... > > Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well my final word on this subject. Pam you have confirmed what I have been trying to say. Fay you have spent 25 years hard work and probably a lot of money, and now you have no control over you data, which is under their control. In other words you have worked for their benefit. I guess the big companies will hate what I am trying to advise people. After all this doom and gloom I hope everyone goodluck and break down the walls. Now I'm off to Crete. Peter ======================================== Message Received: Sep 29 2014, 11:21 AM From: "Pam Downes via" To: "Fay" , [email protected] Cc: Subject: Re: [LIN] ENG-LINCSGEN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 208 I read section 3 of Ancestry's Terms and Conditions as meaning that they can publish any details you post in a family tree as 'theirs'. "By submitting material to the Website . . . . . . . . you grant Ancestry a non-exclusive, transferable, sublicenseable, royalty-free license to host, store, copy, publish, distribute, provide access to and otherwise use such material, including, hosting and access on co-branded services of that material, and to use the data contained in that material as search results and to integrate that data into the Service as Ancestry deems appropriate." As you say, if you cancel your subscription then you can no longer access your family tree. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/ On 29/09/2014 10:43, Fay via wrote: > Hi Linda.. > > > > I understand where you are coming from in keeping my FTM 2014 program still > running with my data...As I explained I am finding the Annual Subs quite > expensive... I have even noticed that Ancestry has taken over quite a few > Free Websites as I was asked to " Sign In" when searching the Family Search > website.. Ugghh!!!....I had been told that once you cancel your subs with > Ancestry that you lose a lot of data and also photos and... Ancestry > maintains the copyright ????? . ( not sure about this one-) perhaps > someone could enlighten me on that subject. > > > > I have some 25 years of work that I have really worked hard on as well as > help from a lot of others on this list including yourself ( lucky we are > related and can email and share).. ) until I find out that I will have > control over my work in the event of a cancelation of the Annual Subs I will > stick with it as I still have some time left.I am aware that one can > purchase monthly access, but that may not always be convenient. Hope I'm not > " nit picking here". > > > > I hope this answers your query and that of others. > > > > Cheers to one and all. > > > > Fay > > Queensland > > Australia. > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > -- Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is several months since Ancestry subscription expired but I can still access my trees. Meg Sent from my iPad > On 29 Sep 2014, at 11:17, Pam Downes > > As you say, if you cancel your subscription then you can no longer > access your family tree. > > Pam > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/