Hi Anne Much depends upon the depth of ones pockets I suspect ;-) On the occasion I have ordered administrations (in error as it happened) they told me nothing more than was in the National Probate calendars, an expensive way to learn nothing (in my cases) If I were to back track slightly, if you are going to order a copy of an administration, do so from the local probate office or county records office If the will attracted death duties, now that is another matter, if that can be found, they can be really useful as it may list the legatees and the exact relationship, with the amount they received But if your wallet is full get any copies you can, as you say there may be a snippet in them not found elsewhere Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 05/05/2015 11:32, Anne Cole wrote: > Aaaaaaaaaaaaah, Nivard! I once asked one of my Yorkshire contacts to get a copy of an administration document, admittedly pre 1858 and the record office told him it wasn't worth it. I insisted and he got it, and with it was an extract from a Manor Court Roll mentioning two children we knew nothing about. I also have an administration from Cheshire with a Tuition Bond attached. Much of the time an administration will not tell you a lot, but it is always worth getting them as you never know what will come with it! Administrations will of course tell you who administered the deceased's property, and there may be extra clues there also. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513

http://www.archaeologyuk.org/ba/ba116/feat2.shtml The above web page starts with the words: "Some 20 years ago, excavations on the edge of the abandoned medieval village of North Conesby, North Lincolnshire, unearthed 40 buildings and huge refuse dumps, part of an Anglo-Saxon settlement".A detailed analysis by 67 researchers between 1997 and 2007 found thousands of artefacts and evidence of occupation to recent times. Perhaps 40 years ago I walked the footpath cross Atkinson's Warren between Scunthorpe and Flixborough and my wife and I looked at what remained of Conesby - an attractve small ruined church and some graves. I didn't copy any data from the grave stones - unfortunately. I know graves existed because I remember reading of one being vandalised by children after our first visit. We recently walked the same path, and couldn't find evidence of the hamlet - it has been swallowed up by steelworks development over the years. This latter visit prompted me to search online for any BMD data - any name at all recorded in this little church. I have found nothing - which is sad after all the years of the place being inhabited, Does anyone have any names at all for Conesby church, or knowlege of any surviving records? Rex

Aaaaaaaaaaaaah, Nivard! I once asked one of my Yorkshire contacts to get a copy of an administration document, admittedly pre 1858 and the record office told him it wasn't worth it. I insisted and he got it, and with it was an extract from a Manor Court Roll mentioning two children we knew nothing about. I also have an administration from Cheshire with a Tuition Bond attached. Much of the time an administration will not tell you a lot, but it is always worth getting them as you never know what will come with it! Administrations will of course tell you who administered the deceased's property, and there may be extra clues there also. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via Sent: 05 May 2015 10:41 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] How to get a Will copy? PS the calendars run from 1858 onwards If you don't find an entry it means there was not a will or administration that went through the system, there may have been a will that was sorted within the family If the calendars show an administration and does not have the wording "with will" its not usually fruitful to order a copy of the administration Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 05/05/2015 10:20, Jan Moon via wrote: >> Can any one tell me how to get a copy of my gt gt grandfather’s will >> - he died 01 Sep 1859 in Market Rasen, Lincolnshire, England >> >> Thank you >> >> Regards >> >> Jan >> > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4339/9700 - Release Date: 05/05/15 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4339/9696 - Release Date: 05/04/15

PS the calendars run from 1858 onwards If you don't find an entry it means there was not a will or administration that went through the system, there may have been a will that was sorted within the family If the calendars show an administration and does not have the wording "with will" its not usually fruitful to order a copy of the administration Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 05/05/2015 10:20, Jan Moon via wrote: >> Can any one tell me how to get a copy of my gt gt grandfather’s will - >> he died 01 Sep 1859 in Market Rasen, Lincolnshire, England >> >> Thank you >> >> Regards >> >> Jan >> >

Hi Jan You can check the probate calendars to make sure there was a will and then order all from the following government site <https://www.gov.uk/wills-probate-inheritance/searching-for-probate-records> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 05/05/2015 10:20, Jan Moon via wrote: > Can any one tell me how to get a copy of my gt gt grandfather’s will - he died 01 Sep 1859 in Market Rasen, Lincolnshire, England > > Thank you > > Regards > > Jan >

Can any one tell me how to get a copy of my gt gt grandfather’s will - he died 01 Sep 1859 in Market Rasen, Lincolnshire, England Thank you Regards Jan Sent from Windows Mail

We will have got the burial from the burial register. There is probably a further register that is not on Lincs to the Past as it is still at the church, or if it has been deposited it has not been filmed. The Archives list of parish registers shows the ending date as 1842 for Wigtoft burials. We visited the parishes that had not deposited their registers when we were doing these for the NBI. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruth Wright via Sent: 27 April 2015 19:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] Ann MURR My Ann MURR, bapt. Sept. 1, 1766 in Timberland, married Thomas LAWRENCE July 13, 1790 in Timberland. He dies in July 1806 in Bicker. Ann then marries John WATKIN in June 1809 in Wigtoft. He dies in Oct. 1809 in Wigtoft. Ann then marries George HEMPSALL in Dec. 1810 in Wigtoft. George dies in 1830 in Wigtoft. Ann is still living in Wigtoft as a Farmer in 1841. She dies April 16, 1842 (from her death cert.) at the home of her daughter-in-law Mildred LAWRENCE in Sutterton. Findmypast has her burial (from the National Burial Index) on April 20, 1842 at Wigtoft. I've checked the burials on LincsTo ThePast (Wigtoft Par1/14) but the burials seem to end in Feb. 1842- unless the entries are so faded I just can't read them. Any thoughts on where the NBI might have got this burial entry from? I did check the Sutterton burials but she's not there either. Thanks, Ruth Ontario, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4334/9639 - Release Date: 04/27/15 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4334/9634 - Release Date: 04/26/15

FreeBMD has a death for Ann Hempsall, June Qtr of 1842 Boston Vol 14 Page 175. Suggest sending for the death certificate for details. Joan in Elora, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruth Wright via Sent: April 27, 2015 2:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] Ann MURR My Ann MURR, bapt. Sept. 1, 1766 in Timberland, married Thomas LAWRENCE July 13, 1790 in Timberland. He dies in July 1806 in Bicker. Ann then marries John WATKIN in June 1809 in Wigtoft. He dies in Oct. 1809 in Wigtoft. Ann then marries George HEMPSALL in Dec. 1810 in Wigtoft. George dies in 1830 in Wigtoft. Ann is still living in Wigtoft as a Farmer in 1841. She dies April 16, 1842 (from her death cert.) at the home of her daughter-in-law Mildred LAWRENCE in Sutterton. Findmypast has her burial (from the National Burial Index) on April 20, 1842 at Wigtoft. I've checked the burials on LincsTo ThePast (Wigtoft Par1/14) but the burials seem to end in Feb. 1842- unless the entries are so faded I just can't read them. Any thoughts on where the NBI might have got this burial entry from? I did check the Sutterton burials but she's not there either. Thanks, Ruth Ontario, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks very much for this info, Anne. I love to see the actual entries so will try to be patient! And I really must join the Lincolnshire FHS! > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [LIN] Ann MURR > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 19:34:55 +0100 > > We will have got the burial from the burial register. There is probably a > further register that is not on Lincs to the Past as it is still at the > church, or if it has been deposited it has not been filmed. The Archives > list of parish registers shows the ending date as 1842 for Wigtoft burials. > We visited the parishes that had not deposited their registers when we were > doing these for the NBI. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruth Wright via > Sent: 27 April 2015 19:20 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LIN] Ann MURR > > My Ann MURR, bapt. Sept. 1, 1766 in Timberland, married Thomas LAWRENCE > July 13, 1790 in Timberland. He dies in July 1806 in Bicker. Ann then > marries John WATKIN in June 1809 in Wigtoft. He dies in Oct. 1809 in > Wigtoft. Ann then marries George HEMPSALL in Dec. 1810 in Wigtoft. George > dies in 1830 in Wigtoft. Ann is still living in Wigtoft as a Farmer in 1841. > She dies April 16, 1842 (from her death cert.) at the home of her > daughter-in-law Mildred LAWRENCE in Sutterton. > > Findmypast has her burial (from the National Burial Index) on April 20, 1842 > at Wigtoft. I've checked the burials on LincsTo ThePast (Wigtoft Par1/14) > but the burials seem to end in Feb. 1842- unless the entries are so faded I > just can't read them. Any thoughts on where the NBI might have got this > burial entry from? I did check the Sutterton burials but she's not there > either. > > Thanks, > Ruth > Ontario, Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4334/9639 - Release Date: 04/27/15 > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4334/9634 - Release Date: 04/26/15 >

My Ann MURR, bapt. Sept. 1, 1766 in Timberland, married Thomas LAWRENCE July 13, 1790 in Timberland. He dies in July 1806 in Bicker. Ann then marries John WATKIN in June 1809 in Wigtoft. He dies in Oct. 1809 in Wigtoft. Ann then marries George HEMPSALL in Dec. 1810 in Wigtoft. George dies in 1830 in Wigtoft. Ann is still living in Wigtoft as a Farmer in 1841. She dies April 16, 1842 (from her death cert.) at the home of her daughter-in-law Mildred LAWRENCE in Sutterton. Findmypast has her burial (from the National Burial Index) on April 20, 1842 at Wigtoft. I've checked the burials on LincsTo ThePast (Wigtoft Par1/14) but the burials seem to end in Feb. 1842- unless the entries are so faded I just can't read them. Any thoughts on where the NBI might have got this burial entry from? I did check the Sutterton burials but she's not there either. Thanks, Ruth Ontario, Canada

Hi Bob Well before digitized files become unreadable, a new form will take its place should it ever be needed (I don't see jpegs going out of style any time soon Printed copies can be lost, stolen, burned in a fire or lost in a flood, so they are not immune from disasters Its better to keep both if you can but more than one copy preferably As to floppys, they are still readable, I have a usb floppy drive should I need one Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/04/2015 13:48, BobJ via wrote: > Hi Lou, > My wife’s gt. grandfather Robert Boyes was a mariner, born 1827 in Gainsborough. He settled in Hull and raised a family there. Two of his sons went to sea and settled in San Francisco. Their sister followed them and married there. They all survived the earthquake of 1906. Son James’ house still stands in Chattanooga Street, just outside the fire area. > A relative over there has sent many digitized copies of family photographs and the interesting family stories have all been written up. > The digitized photographs have all been printed and put in an album for the day when the digitized files become obsolete and un-reachable, like the old floppy discs. > > Bob. > East Yorkshire.

Hi Lou, My wife’s gt. grandfather Robert Boyes was a mariner, born 1827 in Gainsborough. He settled in Hull and raised a family there. Two of his sons went to sea and settled in San Francisco. Their sister followed them and married there. They all survived the earthquake of 1906. Son James’ house still stands in Chattanooga Street, just outside the fire area. A relative over there has sent many digitized copies of family photographs and the interesting family stories have all been written up. The digitized photographs have all been printed and put in an album for the day when the digitized files become obsolete and un-reachable, like the old floppy discs. Bob. East Yorkshire.

Hi, Missing Lincs, Today is the anniversary of the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake. My wife's grandfather was alive and in San Francisco at the time. He remembered being evacuated across SF Bay to Oakland, where he and thousands of other homeless refugees looked back to see the city burning. He lived on Treat Avenue and returned to SF and married Emma in May, just a little over a month after the earthquake. He was a meat-cutter all his life. I mention all of this because we have a few photographs (mostly copies of old photographs) that we have of that family. Some were faded and turning gray, so I took the faded ones outside and took photographs of the photographs (in the shade) in order to preserve them. I'd like you to think about preserving your own photographs. The local news station told us last night that a lot of the historic photographs and their negatives from the '06 quake are deteriorating fast. They store them in a cold room to keep the chemical changes slow, but time takes its toll. So how are you preserving your old photographs? I have a bunch of mine scanned and stored on the computer. You can do that with old documents, too. I've found that photocopies of old documents often don't last very long either. Did you ever write that family history you were going to publish 10 years ago? Here's my challenge: Do it! Go have a chat with the Archivist at the Library. How do they preserve things? What would they recommend. Would they like a copy of the photograph of grandpa Henry in his World War I uniform next to some church in Belgium? Lou (list admin.)

Hi Lou Yes it is a War memorial details of names look at http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Lincolnshire/DoningtonOnBain.html -----Original Message----- From: lr_mills via Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 1:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] Admin note: A little help, please. Hi, Missing Lincs, I've heard that Donington on Bain is a lovely village in the Wold hills, but I've never been there. I was doing a small update to the parish profile and I note that the online Ordinance Survey map shows a cemetery on the south side of the village. But I could not find any information about it. Does one of you folks know more about this place at TF237827 that you can share with us? Oh, and I was looking for a War Memorial, which I did not find. But I found this photo by Andrew WHALE on Geo-graph: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1562256 Is this object in the right foreground a War Memorial? Or am I just being misled by the two wreaths? Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Donington on Bain cemetery and churchyard MIs are on the new CD to be published on 1 May - Horncastle Deanery Monumental Inscriptions! Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lr_mills via Sent: 10 April 2015 01:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] Admin note: A little help, please. Hi, Missing Lincs, I've heard that Donington on Bain is a lovely village in the Wold hills, but I've never been there. I was doing a small update to the parish profile and I note that the online Ordinance Survey map shows a cemetery on the south side of the village. But I could not find any information about it. Does one of you folks know more about this place at TF237827 that you can share with us? Oh, and I was looking for a War Memorial, which I did not find. But I found this photo by Andrew WHALE on Geo-graph: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1562256 Is this object in the right foreground a War Memorial? Or am I just being misled by the two wreaths? Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4328/9498 - Release Date: 04/09/15 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4328/9498 - Release Date: 04/09/15

Hi Lou, Check this out http://johnloguk.smugmug.com/History/ST-ANDREWS-CHURCH-DONINGTON-ON/4944812_ 7h4hKd#!i=295793959&k=NpT9T4R&lb=1&s=X3 Looks like some great pics http://johnloguk.smugmug.com/History/ST-ANDREWS-CHURCH-DONINGTON-ON/4944812_ 7h4hKd#!i=295793959&k=NpT9T4R June -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lr_mills via Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 7:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] Admin note: A little help, please. Hi, Missing Lincs, I've heard that Donington on Bain is a lovely village in the Wold hills, but I've never been there. I was doing a small update to the parish profile and I note that the online Ordinance Survey map shows a cemetery on the south side of the village. But I could not find any information about it. Does one of you folks know more about this place at TF237827 that you can share with us? Oh, and I was looking for a War Memorial, which I did not find. But I found this photo by Andrew WHALE on Geo-graph: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1562256 Is this object in the right foreground a War Memorial? Or am I just being misled by the two wreaths? Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, the answer to the question can be found on the Consanguinity page (nice long word!): http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/consanguinity.html Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Barber via" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 3:31:44 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] first cousins I remember seeing in many Lincs Parish Churches a painted board giving the Table of Kindred and Affinity similar to the first table that Dot provided for us. There was often also a board giving the Ten Commandments. I haven't seen those for many years now. I suppose that may be stored away somewhere as being no longer relevant to modern Church life. May be someone knows of some that have survived or indeed are still there on the wall. Antony Was it against the law for first cousins to marry in 1825? The groom William TYLER was from Glaston, Rutland and the bride Elizabeth LAWRENCE was from Wigtoft, Lincs, so I suppose the Vicar might not have known they were related? The marriage was by Licence rather than by Banns being read. Ruth, Ontario,Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Missing Lincs, I've heard that Donington on Bain is a lovely village in the Wold hills, but I've never been there. I was doing a small update to the parish profile and I note that the online Ordinance Survey map shows a cemetery on the south side of the village. But I could not find any information about it. Does one of you folks know more about this place at TF237827 that you can share with us? Oh, and I was looking for a War Memorial, which I did not find. But I found this photo by Andrew WHALE on Geo-graph: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1562256 Is this object in the right foreground a War Memorial? Or am I just being misled by the two wreaths? Lou (list admin.)

I remember seeing in many Lincs Parish Churches a painted board giving the Table of Kindred and Affinity similar to the first table that Dot provided for us. There was often also a board giving the Ten Commandments. I haven't seen those for many years now. I suppose that may be stored away somewhere as being no longer relevant to modern Church life. May be someone knows of some that have survived or indeed are still there on the wall. Antony Was it against the law for first cousins to marry in 1825? The groom William TYLER was from Glaston, Rutland and the bride Elizabeth LAWRENCE was from Wigtoft, Lincs, so I suppose the Vicar might not have known they were related? The marriage was by Licence rather than by Banns being read. Ruth, Ontario,Canada

Hi Ruth, No - it was not prohibited - this link gives you a table of the Church of England prohibited marriages. http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570145.html regards, Dot On 6 April 2015 at 14:18, Ruth Wright via <[email protected]> wrote: > Was it against the law for first cousins to marry in 1825? The groom > William TYLER was from Glaston, Rutland and the bride Elizabeth LAWRENCE > was from Wigtoft, Lincs, so I suppose the Vicar might not have known they > were related? The marriage was by Licence rather than by Banns being read. > > Ruth, > Ontario,Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dot Holden Dover Kent UK There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity