Hello List............Thank you to those on the list who answered my enquiry including Pam.......My apologies and I accept your slight rebuke with humility..........My problem is/was and I probably should have sent a more rounded message in that I “lost” quite a number of answers from the list...........That problem has now been resolved by Pam supplying the link to the archives........ I will work through that and endeavour to match that information to what is already to hand.... Thanks again Sam Dawes Queensland Australia

Hello Denny..............Thank you for your response..........You have reignited my interest..........I am still on a learning curve with this lot.........Have tried in the past looking for James’ birth....When he was the informant of his children’s births here in Australia, at different times he stated he was either born in Norfolk or Lincolnshire..... I will see if sks can tell me who was the parent/parents of the Christopher Daws/Dawes who was baptised at St Botolphs Lincoln 5 January 1807.........That might help to assist me in defining if I am on the correct family line........If I do have the correct line, then I suspect Charles as possibly being in Lincoln since about 1790.......That was the year he was released from his apprenticeship in the parish of Navenby. It appears there was some problem between him and his employer.... If Charles was a widower when he married Gertrude BARRAT at St Botolphs Lincoln 11 December 1803. I know nothing of a previous wife........... I have the Navenby church burial record and the death certificates for both Charles and Catherine.... These give me nothing other than age and date and cause of death. It seems I may need to obtain a copy of the 1841 Lincolnshire Census in order to check out the DAWES, DAWS, and DAWSE enumerated there. Thanks again.......... Would appreciated any assistance or further guidance from anyone who may be able to assist me here... Best Regards Sam DAWES Queensland Australia

Sam Lincoln St Botolph has Christopher baptized 5 Jan 1807 to Charles & Dorothy. This has to be an error as an earlier entry has Dorothy wife of Charles Dawes buried 14 Oct 1803. Also in this Register are Elizabeth Dawes buried 26 Aug 1804 Charles Dawes son of Charles buried 19 Mar 1806 Source Lincs to the Past, Lincoln St Botolph. Looking at the burial record at Navenby for Catherine someone has added Barrand above Catherine Dawes Bernie

Baptism of Christopher Daws on the right-hand side. http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=600265&iid=216164 Sam has already asked about this family on various occasions in 2010, 2012, and 2014. Sam - you might want to double-check answers you have already received before you find yourself asking a question which someone has previously spent time answering. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ENG-LINCSGEN and type Dawes in the 'body' box. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/ On 14/06/2015 08:53, Sam Dawes via wrote: > Hello Denny..............Thank you for your response..........You have reignited my interest..........I am still on a learning curve with this lot.........Have tried in the past looking for James’ birth....When he was the informant of his children’s births here in Australia, at different times he stated he was either born in Norfolk or Lincolnshire..... > > I will see if sks can tell me who was the parent/parents of the Christopher Daws/Dawes who was baptised at St Botolphs Lincoln 5 January 1807.........That might help to assist me in defining if I am on the correct family line........If I do have the correct line, then I suspect Charles as possibly being in Lincoln since about 1790.......That was the year he was released from his apprenticeship in the parish of Navenby. It appears there was some problem between him and his employer.... > > If Charles was a widower when he married Gertrude BARRAT at St Botolphs Lincoln 11 December 1803. I know nothing of a previous wife........... > > I have the Navenby church burial record and the death certificates for both Charles and Catherine.... These give me nothing other than age and date and cause of death. > > It seems I may need to obtain a copy of the 1841 Lincolnshire Census in order to check out the DAWES, DAWS, and DAWSE enumerated there. > > Thanks again.......... Would appreciated any assistance or further guidance from anyone who may be able to assist me here... > > Best Regards > > Sam DAWES > Queensland Australia > > -------------------------------

On 11 Jun 2015, at 3:09 AM, Sam Dawes via wrote: > [...] In December 1808, Charles, Gertrude and two sons James and Christopher were removed to the Parish on Navenby, as belonging to that Parish.........Son James, being my convict Great Grandfather.....On James’ NSW Australian death certificate it states by is wife that his parents names are Charles and Catherine... > > St Peters Navenby deaths have Charles buried 27 July 1843 aged 79 and Catherine buried 10 September 1843......... > > My question is.... HOW CAN I CONFIRM THAT GERTRUDE AND CATHERINE ARE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON.......... Any chance the baptisms of the two sons would identify their Mother? The LFHS' "Index to Parish Register Burials 1813-1900 Volume 3" lists the above noted burials (under the DAWES variant). The index also notes there is some information above and beyond what is in the Index ... Do you have a copy of the the Burials Register ? The LFHS' Burial Index (just noted) does NOT yield any Gertrude under the DAWS or DAWES variants ... While the process of elimination may not prove that 'Catherine' and 'Gertrude' are one and the same, it may help you gains a bit more confidence in thinking so. I see by the 1841 Census, Charles and Catherine are enumerated in Navenby ... he is a shown as a 'Weaver'. I see (if I have not miscounted) 6 DAWES, 16 DAWS and 4 DAWSE in the LFHS' "Index to the 1841 Census of Lincolnshire. Perhaps one of these may turn up Gertrude. The LFHS' "Marriage Indexes" for Lincoln Deanery (1700-1837) does show your marriage for a Charles DAWES (Widower) to a Gertrude BARRAT(T) or BARRET in 1803. I did not, however, see a marriage for a Charles to a Catherine. Best wishes Denny

Hello List...........Yes Lou, I appreciate your suggestion that we concentrate for the rest of June on marriages......... In December 1808, Charles, Gertrude and two sons James and Christopher were removed to the Parish on Navenby, as belonging to that Parish.........Son James, being my convict Great Grandfather.....On James’ NSW Australian death certificate it states by is wife that his parents names are Charles and Catherine... St Peters Navenby deaths have Charles buried 27 July 1843 aged 79 and Catherine buried 10 September 1843......... My question is.... HOW CAN I CONFIRM THAT GERTRUDE AND CATHERINE ARE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON.......... Any help would be most appreciated........... Sam DAWES Queensland Australia

Hi Lou, how about the anguish that the kids children cause you ?. Bazza ps. this can be a real can of worms. On 11 June 2015 at 01:30, lr_mills via <[email protected]> wrote: > Let's focus the rest of June on marriages. When and Where? Young women > often have grand ideas of what their wedding should be like and who will be > there. Some times reality slaps them up the side of the head. They can't > afford to marry in the beautiful cathedral. Or they can't marry in the > local church because they don't want dad to know until it is over and > done. Then there are those grooms who know they are too young, or who are > doing it because they got the poor girl preggers. Or someone in the > wedding party can't afford to be recognized. > > Well, we've heard all the stories and excuses. Let's just find out where > and when and you can speculate as to why when you finally write that great > family history. > > Of course, you will write that Will of yours first, right? I've got two > cousins who are at each other's throats because my uncle didn't leave a > Will. Don't do that to your children. > > Lou (list admin.) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Let's focus the rest of June on marriages. When and Where? Young women often have grand ideas of what their wedding should be like and who will be there. Some times reality slaps them up the side of the head. They can't afford to marry in the beautiful cathedral. Or they can't marry in the local church because they don't want dad to know until it is over and done. Then there are those grooms who know they are too young, or who are doing it because they got the poor girl preggers. Or someone in the wedding party can't afford to be recognized. Well, we've heard all the stories and excuses. Let's just find out where and when and you can speculate as to why when you finally write that great family history. Of course, you will write that Will of yours first, right? I've got two cousins who are at each other's throats because my uncle didn't leave a Will. Don't do that to your children. Lou (list admin.)

Victor has found an online list of trawlers lost during WWII. You might find your Lincolnshire relative if you know the name of his trawler. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Victor Markham via" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 4:53:34 AM Subject: [LIN] Trawlers lost during WW2 http://www.royal-naval-reserve.co.uk/lost2.htm -------------------------------

Apologies as the one who posted I should have explained things. I can assure you the link is fine and I have looked at the site. Victor On 03/06/2015 1:16 PM, Ray Atkinson wrote: > This looks like it might be interesting, but a link on its own in an > email, with no other explanation is highly suspicious. > > *I suggest listers don't click on this.* > > > Ray > > On 3 June 2015 at 12:53, Victor Markham via <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > http://www.royal-naval-reserve.co.uk/lost2.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

http://www.royal-naval-reserve.co.uk/lost2.htm

Many thanks Annie. BAZZA On 13 May 2015 at 21:27, Anne Cole via <[email protected]> wrote: > The Post 1837 Lincolnshire Marriage Index has been updated with the > following parishes: > > Lincoln Registration District, City Parishes: Lincoln St Peter in Eastgate > 1871-1911 > > Louth Registration District: Louth Primitive Methodist Chapel Northgate > 1899-1911; North Elkington 1871-1911; Ludborough 1871-1911; Manby > 1871-1911; > North Coates 1871-1911; North Cockerington 1871-1911; Marshchapel > 1871-1911. > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello - Think there may have been a transcription error somewhere along the line. The 1861 Census data I can see says he was living in Back Street which is still shown as existing in Epworth on Google maps. Hope that helps to resolve. Regards, Linda. On 19/05/2015 17:34, Hilary Thomas via wrote: > Sorry, I cannot answer that question. I do not live anywhere near to Epworth. I cannot find Back Lane on current maps so maybe it has undergone a name change. > > Hopefully someone more local could help. > > Hilary > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 18 May 2015, at 23:48, Bart Simon via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hello: Where is 'Back Lane' ?. Bart. >> -----Original Message----- >> There is a tree on Ancestry which gives sources and has George living in >> Epworth in 1861, RG9/3523/17, lodging in Back Lane with Francis Quin. There >> are discrepancies in the census entry; George is shown as unmarried and born >> in Epworth, but it could well be him. >> -------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry, I cannot answer that question. I do not live anywhere near to Epworth. I cannot find Back Lane on current maps so maybe it has undergone a name change. Hopefully someone more local could help. Hilary Sent from my iPad > On 18 May 2015, at 23:48, Bart Simon via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello: Where is 'Back Lane' ?. Bart. > -----Original Message----- > There is a tree on Ancestry which gives sources and has George living in > Epworth in 1861, RG9/3523/17, lodging in Back Lane with Francis Quin. There > are discrepancies in the census entry; George is shown as unmarried and born > in Epworth, but it could well be him. > -------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: Where is 'Back Lane' ?. Bart. -----Original Message----- There is a tree on Ancestry which gives sources and has George living in Epworth in 1861, RG9/3523/17, lodging in Back Lane with Francis Quin. There are discrepancies in the census entry; George is shown as unmarried and born in Epworth, but it could well be him. --------------------------------

Thank you Bart for your thoughts In 1861 Sarah with her Daughter Sarah Ann are enumerated at the home Of George’s cousin Edward Nicholson <(b 1824) and his wife Sarah nee Gambles. Sarah is described as a visitor. The aunt mentioned is another Sarah Nicholson (widow) aged 89. There are anomalies with this entry with places of birth, Sarah (nee Allen) was born in Haxey but not those after her in the list of names. I am quite happy with this information. The John and Maria you mention are related and to confuse matters they had a daughter named Sarah Ann born 1858 and died 1859. John and George are also cousins. Edward (1824) and John (1827) are brothers. As you say George is still in Epworth in 1861 as several people have pointed out to me for which I am grateful. Sarah died 1 Sep 1868 (death cert) and was buried 4 Sep 1868, George is named as husband on her death certificate. George supposedly died 1919 in Epworth but I can find no proof of this. The only 1919 death for a George Nicholson was registered in Ecclesall Bierlow. I have all the Epworth parish register transcriptions from Isle of Axholme FHS and can find no burial for George in either St Andrew;s Churchyard or in the Cemetery. I am a member of the Axholme FHS and will request a Parish Register search in case he has been missed in the transcription. I have no problem with events occurring in Epworth I just need concrete proof the information is correct. Hilary > On 18 May 2015, at 00:27, Bart Simon via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello: From the little I can see: [Speculation]: [George Nicholson b:1834] > m:1855 [Sarah Allen bp:25-11-1835]. > > [1861C: Sarah Nicholson visiting Edward Nicholson (b:c1824) as a married > 'aunt', Turbary, Epworth, Lincolnshire]: I would check this note, since this > does not make sense. There seems ??? to be one [Edward Nicholson b:1855] son > of [John + Maria Nicholson] living there!. It would be this [Edward > Nicholson b:1855] that [Sarah Nicholson] would be aunt to ?. Which makes > this [John Maria Nicholson] a brother or first cousin to your [George > Nicholson]. [Turbury] is a road just west of Epworth. It 'seems' your > [George Nicholson] is there in Epworth in the 1861C: > === > 1861C: > Name: George Nicholson > Birth: 1835 - Epworth , Lincolnshire, England* > Residence: 1861 - Epworth , Lincolnshire, England > *It is only the b. place that is given incorrectly!. > === > Then there is a d:04-09-1868 Epworth for [Sarah Nicholson] aet32y, seems to > be his wife ?. Also one [George Nicholson] d:04-1919 Epworth, seems to be > himself ?. It seems it is all just happening in Epworth. Looking at the > spread of d. dates, I would think there was something very contagious here. > Bart. [!!!]. > Hilary Thomas [email protected]

Thank You Joan. Several people have now pointed me to a 1861 census entry showing George still in Epworth but stating he is unmarried I agree that people do not just vanish and I need to think laterally and look in places I may not have considered upto now. I have not spotted him on any Passenger lists but I will look again more thoroughly. Hilary Hilary Thomas [email protected]

Thank you Bazza for this suggestion, I know the Nicholson\Nickelson name is very wide spread throughout Lincolnshire and S Yorkshire. The line I am researching was, mainly, clustered around Hatffield, Thorne and Epworth. Hilary > On 17 May 2015, at 15:49, Barry Wilson via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Hilary, there was also a large Nickelson family that came from the > Billingborough / Hoblin area of Lincolnshire, in fact one of them married > into the Beckett family from Wellingore, this is going back to the 1780's. > Just a thought /possible clue, to look at. Bazza > Hilary Thomas [email protected]

Thank you Lesley, this probably is the George I am seeking. I will look for this tree on Ancestry and see what other assistance it may offer. Hilary > On 17 May 201, at 03:39, LESLEY O'CONNELL via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hilary > > There is a tree on Ancestry which gives sources and has George living in Epworth in 1861, RG9/3523/17, lodging in Back Lane with Francis Quin. There are discrepancies in the census entry; George is shown as unmarried and born in Epworth, but it could well be him. > > It would appear also from the same tree that Sarah was shown as George's wife on her death certificate, so it would seem that he was still alive at that time. > > Regards > Lesley > Aveyron, France > Hilary Thomas [email protected]

Thank you Eric, this may well be my man. I will look more closely at this entry in 1861. Hilary > On 16 May 2015, at 17:47, ERIC JOHNSON via <[email protected]> wrote: > > There is a George Nicholson on the 1861 Epworth census but he is shown as an unmarried 26 year old ag lab boarding with Francis Quinn. Maybe he left his wife and family? > Eric > > Hilary Thomas [email protected]