lets not forget the old tried and testing method of netting for birds using a mist net .My tried method was a sieve, some wood , and some string whilst hiding in a shed and using a knott hole for a spy hole , this again resulted in catching 1 bird at a time . Mick Wilson .

Surely one shot and the whole flock of sparrows would have flown away. Shooting one, maybe two sparrows would hardly have made a meal. Barbara. Sent from my iPad > On 22 Jun 2015, at 16:21, BobJ via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The London Morning Post has – ‘ to make a sparrow dumpling’. > > The Manchester Times has – ‘the gun is a very old one, and much out of repair and that it can go off with a very slight shake’. > and – ‘the doctor found sparrow shot around the wound’. > > The Morning Post, London has – ‘He had not, however taken the precaution to take off the cap and the gun, moreover, was on the cock’. > Would this be a percussion cap which ignites a muzzle loaded charge? > > Robert BOYES and his wife were 21 years old and had been married only 11 weeks. He was my wife’s great grandfather. > > Bob. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In 1849 the gun was more than likely to have been a percussion gun (shotgun for hunting) which would in fact take a percussion cap. He should have decapped the gun when returning from the hunt. A faulty and cocked gun was an accident waiting to happen. This statement is from my retired ballistics expert husband. Kathryne Natale [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: BobJ via <[email protected]> To: eng-lincsgen <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2015 11:23 am Subject: Re: [LIN] sparrow pudding - more info The London Morning Post has – ‘ to make a sparrow dumpling’. The Manchester Times has – ‘the gun is a very old one, and much out of repair and that it can go off with a very slight shake’. and – ‘the doctor found sparrow shot around the wound’. The Morning Post, London has – ‘He had not, however taken the precaution to take off the cap and the gun, moreover, was on the cock’. Would this be a percussion cap which ignites a muzzle loaded charge? Robert BOYES and his wife were 21 years old and had been married only 11 weeks. He was my wife’s great grandfather. Bob. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The London Morning Post has – ‘ to make a sparrow dumpling’. The Manchester Times has – ‘the gun is a very old one, and much out of repair and that it can go off with a very slight shake’. and – ‘the doctor found sparrow shot around the wound’. The Morning Post, London has – ‘He had not, however taken the precaution to take off the cap and the gun, moreover, was on the cock’. Would this be a percussion cap which ignites a muzzle loaded charge? Robert BOYES and his wife were 21 years old and had been married only 11 weeks. He was my wife’s great grandfather. Bob.

I wouldn't question the fact that sparrows were considered a pest at that time They were eating the hard earned seed before it could germinate so its not surprising they were treated as vermin, there were a lot more hedges and breeding grounds for them then Neither would I question the idea of people eating them, in a pie or otherwise But most would be trapped if for consumption, what use would a shredded corpse be for a pie, there would be little on them in the first place and barely anything if shot with a shotgun, a single shot would not leave much of a sparrow bar a few feathers Hence why it suggests a handy way of getting a divorce ;-) On sparrow pie, there are 240+ hits in the newspapers for that as a search, most are mentions with no recipe but a few mention making a dozen sparrows for a pie with a pound of steak, a lot seem to call it sparrow pudding pie One crafty method mentioned (1890) of gaining said sparrows was to soak some grain in whisky or rum and let the sparrows feed and become inebriated, thereby making the easy to gather I think I would prefer the tot of rum or whisky sans sparrow <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> In 1849 Robert BOYES, b. 1827 at Gainsborough, went into his orchard >> in Thorne to shoot sparrows for his wife to make a sparrow pudding for >> his dinner. >> On his fruitless return he tripped and shot his wife, dead. >> The accident was reported in newspapers nationwide. >> My question is – how many sparrows are needed for a sparrow pudding >> and how are they prepared? >> >> Bob. >

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The problem of sparrows taxed the minds of the South Australian Government to the extent that in 1889 it passed the Sparrow Destruction Act, by which local municipalities were charged with the responsibility to suppress and destroy sparrows, and to prevent them from breeding and increasing, and for that purpose "to take all such measures and do and perform all such measures and do and perform all and every such acts and things as may be proper or necessary". This included appointing inspectors, who had wide ranging powers, and the option to impose additional rates. There was no suggestion in the provisions of the Act for using sparrows to supplement the locals' diets. However, there were many young lads who supplemented their pocket money by claiming a bounty per head of sparrow! Leonie Fretwell Burra SA [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of david wilson via Sent: Monday, 22 June 2015 7:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. <<It would appear that in the 1800s many viewed the house sparrows as vermin ,they were obviously more prolific than they are today .>>

And what were they shot with? Murray NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "BobJ via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 5:40 AM Subject: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. > > In 1849 Robert BOYES, b. 1827 at Gainsborough, went into his orchard in > Thorne to shoot sparrows for his wife to make a sparrow pudding for his > dinner. > On his fruitless return he tripped and shot his wife, dead. > The accident was reported in newspapers nationwide. > My question is – how many sparrows are needed for a sparrow pudding and > how are they prepared? > > Bob. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It sounds like a very handy way of removing a wife doesn't it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 21/06/2015 18:40, BobJ via wrote: > > In 1849 Robert BOYES, b. 1827 at Gainsborough, went into his orchard in Thorne to shoot sparrows for his wife to make a sparrow pudding for his dinner. > On his fruitless return he tripped and shot his wife, dead. > The accident was reported in newspapers nationwide. > My question is – how many sparrows are needed for a sparrow pudding and how are they prepared? > > Bob.

I can remember my Grandmother telling me that she used to eat sparrow pie as a child. Edward -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Lylyk via Sent: 21 June 2015 19:15 To: mhhr; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. I don't think a shotgun would be a good idea. By the time you picked all the shot out of them there wouldn't be anything left. There was also a write up on Google about a woman who used to trap the sparrows by putting out oatmeal. After she caught them she fattened them up with oatmeal. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "mhhr via" <[email protected]> To: "BobJ" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. > And what were they shot with? > > Murray > NZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BobJ via" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 5:40 AM > Subject: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. > > >> >> In 1849 Robert BOYES, b. 1827 at Gainsborough, went into his orchard in >> Thorne to shoot sparrows for his wife to make a sparrow pudding for his >> dinner. >> On his fruitless return he tripped and shot his wife, dead. >> The accident was reported in newspapers nationwide. >> My question is – how many sparrows are needed for a sparrow pudding and >> how are they prepared? >> >> Bob. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2250 / Virus Database: 4365/9560 - Release Date: 06/20/15 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very little meat on the back and legs Kathryne Natale [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: david wilson via <[email protected]> To: eng-lincsgen <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jun 21, 2015 6:28 pm Subject: Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. It would appear that in the 1800s many viewed the house sparrows as vermin ,they were obviously more prolific than they are today . I have seen one report of a boy being paid for catching 650 sparrows . One recipe sent by letter to the Birmingham Daily Post says that you need the breast and wings of two sparrows for each person . Mixed with beef gravy and topped with a pastry crust . Apparently the back and legs of a sparrow are too bitter to include . ( Not advocating anyone should try this ! .....I love to see and hear sparrows in our garden but there are so few of them these days) Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Edward Hawkins via" <[email protected]> Date:Sun, 21 Jun, 2015 at 22:30 Subject:Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. I can remember my Grandmother telling me that she used to eat sparrow pie as a child. Edward -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Lylyk via Sent: 21 June 2015 19:15 To: mhhr; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. I don't think a shotgun would be a good idea. By the time you picked all the shot out of them there wouldn't be anything left. There was also a write up on Google about a woman who used to trap the sparrows by putting out oatmeal. After she caught them she fattened them up with oatmeal. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "mhhr via" <[email protected]> To: "BobJ" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. > And what were they shot with? > > Murray > NZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BobJ via" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 5:40 AM > Subject: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. > > >> >> In 1849 Robert BOYES, b. 1827 at Gainsborough, went into his orchard in >> Thorne to shoot sparrows for his wife to make a sparrow pudding for his >> dinner. >> On his fruitless return he tripped and shot his wife, dead. >> The accident was reported in newspapers nationwide. >> My question is – how many sparrows are needed for a sparrow pudding and >> how are they prepared? >> >> Bob. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2250 / Virus Database: 4365/9560 - Release Date: 06/20/15 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good evening list It's been a long time but I was wondering if someone could help, i'm working on Mary Anne Varley born 1888 spalding,father Charles wilson Varley , mother Lucy Hesketh,Mary Anne married in 19067 to Walter Southgate he was born out of wedlock and took his mothers name Davy for two years until his parents married, anyway i have found Mary ans walter in 1911 i spalding, after this i'm told she runs off with a J Reed or chick Reed but i can't find a death or marriage kind regards June

They are smaller than blackbirds, so presumably more than 24! Margaret > On 21 Jun 2015, at 18:40, BobJ via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In 1849 Robert BOYES, b. 1827 at Gainsborough, went into his orchard in Thorne to shoot sparrows for his wife to make a sparrow pudding for his dinner. > On his fruitless return he tripped and shot his wife, dead. > The accident was reported in newspapers nationwide. > My question is – how many sparrows are needed for a sparrow pudding and how are they prepared? > > Bob. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In 1849 Robert BOYES, b. 1827 at Gainsborough, went into his orchard in Thorne to shoot sparrows for his wife to make a sparrow pudding for his dinner. On his fruitless return he tripped and shot his wife, dead. The accident was reported in newspapers nationwide. My question is – how many sparrows are needed for a sparrow pudding and how are they prepared? Bob.

Sadly, that was my initial thought. Kathryne Natale [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via <[email protected]> To: eng-lincsgen <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jun 21, 2015 4:54 pm Subject: Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. It sounds like a very handy way of removing a wife doesn't it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 21/06/2015 18:40, BobJ via wrote: > > In 1849 Robert BOYES, b. 1827 at Gainsborough, went into his orchard in Thorne to shoot sparrows for his wife to make a sparrow pudding for his dinner. > On his fruitless return he tripped and shot his wife, dead. > The accident was reported in newspapers nationwide. > My question is – how many sparrows are needed for a sparrow pudding and how are they prepared? > > Bob. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It would appear that in the 1800s many viewed the house sparrows as vermin ,they were obviously more prolific than they are today . I have seen one report of a boy being paid for catching 650 sparrows . One recipe sent by letter to the Birmingham Daily Post says that you need the breast and wings of two sparrows for each person . Mixed with beef gravy and topped with a pastry crust . Apparently the back and legs of a sparrow are too bitter to include . ( Not advocating anyone should try this ! .....I love to see and hear sparrows in our garden but there are so few of them these days) Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Edward Hawkins via" <[email protected]> Date:Sun, 21 Jun, 2015 at 22:30 Subject:Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. I can remember my Grandmother telling me that she used to eat sparrow pie as a child. Edward -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Lylyk via Sent: 21 June 2015 19:15 To: mhhr; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. I don't think a shotgun would be a good idea.  By the time you picked all the shot out of them there wouldn't be anything left. There was also a write up on Google about a woman who used to trap the sparrows by putting out oatmeal.  After she caught them she fattened them up with oatmeal. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "mhhr via" <[email protected]> To: "BobJ" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. > And what were they shot with? > > Murray > NZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BobJ via" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 5:40 AM > Subject: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. > > >> >> In 1849 Robert BOYES, b. 1827 at Gainsborough, went into his orchard in >> Thorne to shoot sparrows for his wife to make a sparrow pudding for his >> dinner. >> On his fruitless return he tripped and shot his wife, dead. >> The accident was reported in newspapers nationwide. >> My question is – how many sparrows are needed for a sparrow pudding and >> how are they prepared? >> >> Bob. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2250 / Virus Database: 4365/9560 - Release Date: 06/20/15 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't think a shotgun would be a good idea. By the time you picked all the shot out of them there wouldn't be anything left. There was also a write up on Google about a woman who used to trap the sparrows by putting out oatmeal. After she caught them she fattened them up with oatmeal. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "mhhr via" <[email protected]> To: "BobJ" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. > And what were they shot with? > > Murray > NZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BobJ via" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 5:40 AM > Subject: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. > > >> >> In 1849 Robert BOYES, b. 1827 at Gainsborough, went into his orchard in >> Thorne to shoot sparrows for his wife to make a sparrow pudding for his >> dinner. >> On his fruitless return he tripped and shot his wife, dead. >> The accident was reported in newspapers nationwide. >> My question is – how many sparrows are needed for a sparrow pudding and >> how are they prepared? >> >> Bob. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2250 / Virus Database: 4365/9560 - Release Date: 06/20/15 >

Don't know if this would be classified as a pudding but here is a recipe I found on Google. It didn't specify how many sparrows though. 1769 book The Experienced English Housekeeper for sparrow dumplings: Mix half a pint of good milk with three eggs, a little salt, and as much flour as will make a thick batter. Put a lump of butter rolled in pepper and salt in every sparrow, mix them in the batter and tie them in a cloth, boil them one hour and a half. pour melted butter over them and serve it up. Carol Lylyk Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "BobJ via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:40 AM Subject: [LIN] Sparrow pudding. > > In 1849 Robert BOYES, b. 1827 at Gainsborough, went into his orchard in Thorne > to shoot sparrows for his wife to make a sparrow pudding for his dinner. > On his fruitless return he tripped and shot his wife, dead. > The accident was reported in newspapers nationwide. > My question is – how many sparrows are needed for a sparrow pudding and how > are they prepared? > > Bob. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2250 / Virus Database: 4365/9560 - Release Date: 06/20/15 >

I can’t remember where I found this, but can’t refind it. There is nothing under Hemingby under lincstothepast, there are 3 possibles on Family Search, but I don’t know which Parish it would be or where the nearest church would be. Please ccan sks help? Regards Jan Currently freezing in Cumbria - where is Summer? Sent from Windows Mail

My ggrandparents married in Hull in1863, which I gather others also did. The only reason I can find is that ggrandma was indeed "preggers". That certainly wouldn't have been unusual, but presumably they wanted to break the news to parents after the wedding - or more likely just let things take their course until it was obvious - as I've known many cases of in modern times. My other Lincs. ggrandparents had a child before marriage and had him baptised and registered but there is no more record of him. Presumably he died. He was born in 1870 and his mother was at home with her mother and siblings in the 1871 census; no baby around. Ggrandparents married early in 1872 and I think, again, "preggers". Her father died in 1856 and her mother must have had a job to keep her brood on the "straight and narrow". A later census shows the mother living with another, single, daughter and grandchild. These are just the bits I know about. There might have been lots more hi jinks! Jan Marchant Lismore, Australia > Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:52:39 +0100 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. note: June > From: [email protected] > > Hi Lou, how about the anguish that the kids children cause you ?. Bazza > ps. this can be a real can of worms. > > On 11 June 2015 at 01:30, lr_mills via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Let's focus the rest of June on marriages. When and Where? Young women > > often have grand ideas of what their wedding should be like and who will be > > there. Some times reality slaps them up the side of the head. They can't > > afford to marry in the beautiful cathedral. Or they can't marry in the > > local church because they don't want dad to know until it is over and > > done. Then there are those grooms who know they are too young, or who are > > doing it because they got the poor girl preggers. Or someone in the > > wedding party can't afford to be recognized. > > > > Well, we've heard all the stories and excuses. Let's just find out where > > and when and you can speculate as to why when you finally write that great > > family history. > > > > Of course, you will write that Will of yours first, right? I've got two > > cousins who are at each other's throats because my uncle didn't leave a > > Will. Don't do that to your children. > > > > Lou (list admin.) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message