Sorry it wasnt letting me put the Url for the details, so this is the few marriages, it i the top one. the surname of the mother isnt clear seems a funny name, but maybe not complete. Great Hale, Baptist is what you are looking for. Edie www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Cant beleive I have done it again, I have got that many windows open. This should be the correct one. closed all of the others www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Still didnt give you the url for Anns father Thomas to his second wife, Anns mother. http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Edie given you the same one twice for her grandparents ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Sorry forgot the second URL for Thomas and Elizabeth, Ann parents marriage http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Maybe you can work on that Bart and Stephen. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Anns father Thomas parents marriage on free reg URL http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Then i think I have Anns parents marriage in a Baptist church on this url. He is a widower at the marriage, so his second marriage. havent checked any children from his first marriage. So could be that his second wife was not from Messingham or even Lincolnshire.. What if he did meet his second wife in Newfoundland? Couldb e that Ann was born there if the wife was a Canadian.. that may not be correct, but you never know. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi again, I have now found it on free reg. http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae75e93790332e7d27d8?search_id=56a34944f493fd261a0001f6 Now the fiche did not give place of marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth. Going back into fre reg to see if it is there someplaace as Ann may have been born a place other than Messingham and chr at her fathers place of birth. His family go back as far as 1724 in Messingham at least for Christening, but they could have lived at an adjoining parish and born there. Edie. Never shoed on familysearch, but may donow we have this detail on the fiche. It is so easy to first check the fiche as it alwo shows if there is any change in the way something is spelt. . ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Stephen, Bart and anyone else who have searched,I have a perfect match for you Stephenn. I have been to my local familyhistory society today and we have two sets of good old fiche. The 1992 one has come up trumps for the correct christening for Ann with parents Thomas and Elizabeth. On the fiche it is a couple up from Benjamin and Rebecca who I beleive is the brother and sister in law of Thomas, Anns father.. This is the entry, so if you have access to fiche, you can see for yourselves, although the marriage of Ann and the chr of William Proctor doesnt show on them. I haven't looked to see if freereg has this entry for Anns christening to Thomas and Elizabeth. This is the information on the fiche. Ann Mason, female christening, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, at Messingham, 25 December 1811. batch C0300202, serial number 3505. I would imagine if you were to send to Salt Lake City with that number or there may be another number. I can find on another set of fiche ! with batch numbers, They could send you the origianl image Stephen. I think this batch number and the date etc hould be enough. At the same time that this Thomas and Elizabeth are christening another son, Benajmin and Rebecca are christenibng a child in 1815. I think I found the chr of both Thomas and Benjamin so pretty certain they are brothers. They both had daughters Ann.The Messingham entries sxeem to start with 1724 for the Mason families. Ichecked right the way down from the A's to as far as they went int he alphabet and that was the first entry. Now this Thomas seems to have been chr to Thomas and Winefred at Messingham 19 March 1780 Batch number C030202. His parents marriage took place Thomas married Winefred Jopsonat Messingham (didnt write Church down) 20 May 1779. Neither fiche nor the familysearch sige is complete and I checked the Phillimores to see when records were started. Witll givein another posting as you need to check Phillimores to see if the Church is evenbuilt in an area before you come to the conclusion they werent there and which other society filmed the records and at what date. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Stephen Wood via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Bart! Thanks for your input. Just a quick note to mention that the transcription for the witness Elizabeth Mason on the marriage record for William Procter and Ann Mason is wrong. I looked at the original and it appears to read Elizabeth Braman. Interestingly enough, both witnesses, Thomas Bingley and Elizabeth Braman are the next couple listed in the register, a few months later. I have started to follow up on the ancestry of that couple to see if they are relatives, but it is still a work in progress. Thomas was born in Nottinghamshire about 1798 and married twice - first wife Elizabeth died in 1829, then he wed secondly to Elizabeth Braman in 1835. She was born about 1785 in North Carlton, Lincs. No obvious connection, but I haven't determined if Elizabeth Braman was a widow or not, or who the first Elizabeth was. [A John Brahman was buried in Messingham in 1833, age 44, however. A John Brannan [original record checked] married Elizabeth Dixon in Messingham in 1810.??] Benjamin Mason is called a Bachelor on his marriage to [widow] Betty Berry in 1826. That is the main reason I have listed him apart from the Benjamin Mason who wed Rebecca Moins in 1811 in Messingham. If the register is in error, then your theory would hold true [Original record checked]. There is a second Benjamin Mason bpt. in 1788 in Blyton (about 7 miles from Messingham) which puts his date of birth a bit closer to that of Rebecca's [ca. 1791]. It's quite the mess, isn't it! Stephen On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Then on the m. record, please correct me if I am missing something here: > This is the m:1835 !!! !!! !!! 1835 !!! !!! !!! for Ann Mason to William > Proctor in Messingham, which is fine!. You see, the signatory Elizabeth > Mason here can not be her sister, and I will quote you: [Benjamin Mason > married a Rebecca (c1791-1823 Wootton) and they had four children: Ann > (c1813 Messingham -?); Elizabeth (c1815 Messingham - 1823 Wootton); Solomon > (c1820 Thornton Curtis - 1823 Wootton); George (c1822 Wootton - ?)]. > > > > However, I do not know yet, and no Benjamin or Ann Mason d. date for > Wootton, everyone else has one, not him yet ?. did he come back to > Messingham ?. One Benjamin Mason that still 'seems' to be in Messingham > m:1826 in Messingham to Mrs. Betty Berry (Elizabeth), 1826 being 3 years > after the 1823 deaths in Wootton, the mother and all the other children did > die ?. So we would have one Elizabeth Mason living from 1826 to before 1843 > as wife of one Benjamin Mason. Nothing is overlapping ?. They have 1-2 > offspring, Betty Mason? b:1833 I think is one of them ?. Then one Benjamin > Mason m:1843 in Messingham to Rebecca Foster. No offspring it seems. So did > Benjamin Mason m. 3 times ?. You can note the [Mrs.] term, they were > probably widows too for Berry + Foster ?. I am pointing this out for > another > reason: There has to be some reason for either Proctor or Mason to be in > Messingham ?. Ann Mason will still be b. in Newbold (and bp. in Messingham > ?). > > Then still on the m. record: [Witness: Thomas Bingley/Bingly]: Well, > firstly > the Elizabeth Mason could be Ann Mason's stepmother ?. Then, I suspect he > is > the Thomas Bingly b:1801 or so ?. [< Names Here: Bingly, Hall, Burwill, > Cave, Dixon]. Then some [Names: Hall, Lockwood, Middleton, Whattam, Mason]. > Thomas Bingly should be properly recognised. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Cant beleive I have done it again, I have got that many windows open. This should be the correct one. closed all of the others www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Still didnt give you the url for Anns father Thomas to his second wife, Anns mother. http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Edie given you the same one twice for her grandparents ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Sorry forgot the second URL for Thomas and Elizabeth, Ann parents marriage http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Maybe you can work on that Bart and Stephen. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Anns father Thomas parents marriage on free reg URL http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Then i think I have Anns parents marriage in a Baptist church on this url. He is a widower at the marriage, so his second marriage. havent checked any children from his first marriage. So could be that his second wife was not from Messingham or even Lincolnshire.. What if he did meet his second wife in Newfoundland? Couldb e that Ann was born there if the wife was a Canadian.. that may not be correct, but you never know. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi again, I have now found it on free reg. http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae75e93790332e7d27d8?search_id=56a34944f493fd261a0001f6 Now the fiche did not give place of marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth. Going back into fre reg to see if it is there someplaace as Ann may have been born a place other than Messingham and chr at her fathers place of birth. His family go back as far as 1724 in Messingham at least for Christening, but they could have lived at an adjoining parish and born there. Edie. Never shoed on familysearch, but may donow we have this detail on the fiche. It is so easy to first check the fiche as it alwo shows if there is any change in the way something is spelt. . ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Stephen, Bart and anyone else who have searched,I have a perfect match for you Stephenn. I have been to my local familyhistory society today and we have two sets of good old fiche. The 1992 one has come up trumps for the correct christening for Ann with parents Thomas and Elizabeth. On the fiche it is a couple up from Benjamin and Rebecca who I beleive is the brother and sister in law of Thomas, Anns father.. This is the entry, so if you have access to fiche, you can see for yourselves, although the marriage of Ann and the chr of William Proctor doesnt show on them. I haven't looked to see if freereg has this entry for Anns christening to Thomas and Elizabeth. This is the information on the fiche. Ann Mason, female christening, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, at Messingham, 25 December 1811. batch C0300202, serial number 3505. I would imagine if you were to send to Salt Lake City with that number or there may be another number. I can find on another set of fiche ! with batch numbers, They could send you the origianl image Stephen. I think this batch number and the date etc hould be enough. At the same time that this Thomas and Elizabeth are christening another son, Benajmin and Rebecca are christenibng a child in 1815. I think I found the chr of both Thomas and Benjamin so pretty certain they are brothers. They both had daughters Ann.The Messingham entries sxeem to start with 1724 for the Mason families. Ichecked right the way down from the A's to as far as they went int he alphabet and that was the first entry. Now this Thomas seems to have been chr to Thomas and Winefred at Messingham 19 March 1780 Batch number C030202. His parents marriage took place Thomas married Winefred Jopsonat Messingham (didnt write Church down) 20 May 1779. Neither fiche nor the familysearch sige is complete and I checked the Phillimores to see when records were started. Witll givein another posting as you need to check Phillimores to see if the Church is evenbuilt in an area before you come to the conclusion they werent there and which other society filmed the records and at what date. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Stephen Wood via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Bart! Thanks for your input. Just a quick note to mention that the transcription for the witness Elizabeth Mason on the marriage record for William Procter and Ann Mason is wrong. I looked at the original and it appears to read Elizabeth Braman. Interestingly enough, both witnesses, Thomas Bingley and Elizabeth Braman are the next couple listed in the register, a few months later. I have started to follow up on the ancestry of that couple to see if they are relatives, but it is still a work in progress. Thomas was born in Nottinghamshire about 1798 and married twice - first wife Elizabeth died in 1829, then he wed secondly to Elizabeth Braman in 1835. She was born about 1785 in North Carlton, Lincs. No obvious connection, but I haven't determined if Elizabeth Braman was a widow or not, or who the first Elizabeth was. [A John Brahman was buried in Messingham in 1833, age 44, however. A John Brannan [original record checked] married Elizabeth Dixon in Messingham in 1810.??] Benjamin Mason is called a Bachelor on his marriage to [widow] Betty Berry in 1826. That is the main reason I have listed him apart from the Benjamin Mason who wed Rebecca Moins in 1811 in Messingham. If the register is in error, then your theory would hold true [Original record checked]. There is a second Benjamin Mason bpt. in 1788 in Blyton (about 7 miles from Messingham) which puts his date of birth a bit closer to that of Rebecca's [ca. 1791]. It's quite the mess, isn't it! Stephen On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Then on the m. record, please correct me if I am missing something here: > This is the m:1835 !!! !!! !!! 1835 !!! !!! !!! for Ann Mason to William > Proctor in Messingham, which is fine!. You see, the signatory Elizabeth > Mason here can not be her sister, and I will quote you: [Benjamin Mason > married a Rebecca (c1791-1823 Wootton) and they had four children: Ann > (c1813 Messingham -?); Elizabeth (c1815 Messingham - 1823 Wootton); Solomon > (c1820 Thornton Curtis - 1823 Wootton); George (c1822 Wootton - ?)]. > > > > However, I do not know yet, and no Benjamin or Ann Mason d. date for > Wootton, everyone else has one, not him yet ?. did he come back to > Messingham ?. One Benjamin Mason that still 'seems' to be in Messingham > m:1826 in Messingham to Mrs. Betty Berry (Elizabeth), 1826 being 3 years > after the 1823 deaths in Wootton, the mother and all the other children did > die ?. So we would have one Elizabeth Mason living from 1826 to before 1843 > as wife of one Benjamin Mason. Nothing is overlapping ?. They have 1-2 > offspring, Betty Mason? b:1833 I think is one of them ?. Then one Benjamin > Mason m:1843 in Messingham to Rebecca Foster. No offspring it seems. So did > Benjamin Mason m. 3 times ?. You can note the [Mrs.] term, they were > probably widows too for Berry + Foster ?. I am pointing this out for > another > reason: There has to be some reason for either Proctor or Mason to be in > Messingham ?. Ann Mason will still be b. in Newbold (and bp. in Messingham > ?). > > Then still on the m. record: [Witness: Thomas Bingley/Bingly]: Well, > firstly > the Elizabeth Mason could be Ann Mason's stepmother ?. Then, I suspect he > is > the Thomas Bingly b:1801 or so ?. [< Names Here: Bingly, Hall, Burwill, > Cave, Dixon]. Then some [Names: Hall, Lockwood, Middleton, Whattam, Mason]. > Thomas Bingly should be properly recognised. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cant beleive I have done it again, I have got that many windows open. This should be the correct one. closed all of the others www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Still didnt give you the url for Anns father Thomas to his second wife, Anns mother. http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Edie given you the same one twice for her grandparents ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Sorry forgot the second URL for Thomas and Elizabeth, Ann parents marriage http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Maybe you can work on that Bart and Stephen. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Anns father Thomas parents marriage on free reg URL http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Then i think I have Anns parents marriage in a Baptist church on this url. He is a widower at the marriage, so his second marriage. havent checked any children from his first marriage. So could be that his second wife was not from Messingham or even Lincolnshire.. What if he did meet his second wife in Newfoundland? Couldb e that Ann was born there if the wife was a Canadian.. that may not be correct, but you never know. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi again, I have now found it on free reg. http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae75e93790332e7d27d8?search_id=56a34944f493fd261a0001f6 Now the fiche did not give place of marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth. Going back into fre reg to see if it is there someplaace as Ann may have been born a place other than Messingham and chr at her fathers place of birth. His family go back as far as 1724 in Messingham at least for Christening, but they could have lived at an adjoining parish and born there. Edie. Never shoed on familysearch, but may donow we have this detail on the fiche. It is so easy to first check the fiche as it alwo shows if there is any change in the way something is spelt. . ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Stephen, Bart and anyone else who have searched,I have a perfect match for you Stephenn. I have been to my local familyhistory society today and we have two sets of good old fiche. The 1992 one has come up trumps for the correct christening for Ann with parents Thomas and Elizabeth. On the fiche it is a couple up from Benjamin and Rebecca who I beleive is the brother and sister in law of Thomas, Anns father.. This is the entry, so if you have access to fiche, you can see for yourselves, although the marriage of Ann and the chr of William Proctor doesnt show on them. I haven't looked to see if freereg has this entry for Anns christening to Thomas and Elizabeth. This is the information on the fiche. Ann Mason, female christening, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, at Messingham, 25 December 1811. batch C0300202, serial number 3505. I would imagine if you were to send to Salt Lake City with that number or there may be another number. I can find on another set of fiche ! with batch numbers, They could send you the origianl image Stephen. I think this batch number and the date etc hould be enough. At the same time that this Thomas and Elizabeth are christening another son, Benajmin and Rebecca are christenibng a child in 1815. I think I found the chr of both Thomas and Benjamin so pretty certain they are brothers. They both had daughters Ann.The Messingham entries sxeem to start with 1724 for the Mason families. Ichecked right the way down from the A's to as far as they went int he alphabet and that was the first entry. Now this Thomas seems to have been chr to Thomas and Winefred at Messingham 19 March 1780 Batch number C030202. His parents marriage took place Thomas married Winefred Jopsonat Messingham (didnt write Church down) 20 May 1779. Neither fiche nor the familysearch sige is complete and I checked the Phillimores to see when records were started. Witll givein another posting as you need to check Phillimores to see if the Church is evenbuilt in an area before you come to the conclusion they werent there and which other society filmed the records and at what date. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Stephen Wood via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Bart! Thanks for your input. Just a quick note to mention that the transcription for the witness Elizabeth Mason on the marriage record for William Procter and Ann Mason is wrong. I looked at the original and it appears to read Elizabeth Braman. Interestingly enough, both witnesses, Thomas Bingley and Elizabeth Braman are the next couple listed in the register, a few months later. I have started to follow up on the ancestry of that couple to see if they are relatives, but it is still a work in progress. Thomas was born in Nottinghamshire about 1798 and married twice - first wife Elizabeth died in 1829, then he wed secondly to Elizabeth Braman in 1835. She was born about 1785 in North Carlton, Lincs. No obvious connection, but I haven't determined if Elizabeth Braman was a widow or not, or who the first Elizabeth was. [A John Brahman was buried in Messingham in 1833, age 44, however. A John Brannan [original record checked] married Elizabeth Dixon in Messingham in 1810.??] Benjamin Mason is called a Bachelor on his marriage to [widow] Betty Berry in 1826. That is the main reason I have listed him apart from the Benjamin Mason who wed Rebecca Moins in 1811 in Messingham. If the register is in error, then your theory would hold true [Original record checked]. There is a second Benjamin Mason bpt. in 1788 in Blyton (about 7 miles from Messingham) which puts his date of birth a bit closer to that of Rebecca's [ca. 1791]. It's quite the mess, isn't it! Stephen On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Then on the m. record, please correct me if I am missing something here: > This is the m:1835 !!! !!! !!! 1835 !!! !!! !!! for Ann Mason to William > Proctor in Messingham, which is fine!. You see, the signatory Elizabeth > Mason here can not be her sister, and I will quote you: [Benjamin Mason > married a Rebecca (c1791-1823 Wootton) and they had four children: Ann > (c1813 Messingham -?); Elizabeth (c1815 Messingham - 1823 Wootton); Solomon > (c1820 Thornton Curtis - 1823 Wootton); George (c1822 Wootton - ?)]. > > > > However, I do not know yet, and no Benjamin or Ann Mason d. date for > Wootton, everyone else has one, not him yet ?. did he come back to > Messingham ?. One Benjamin Mason that still 'seems' to be in Messingham > m:1826 in Messingham to Mrs. Betty Berry (Elizabeth), 1826 being 3 years > after the 1823 deaths in Wootton, the mother and all the other children did > die ?. So we would have one Elizabeth Mason living from 1826 to before 1843 > as wife of one Benjamin Mason. Nothing is overlapping ?. They have 1-2 > offspring, Betty Mason? b:1833 I think is one of them ?. Then one Benjamin > Mason m:1843 in Messingham to Rebecca Foster. No offspring it seems. So did > Benjamin Mason m. 3 times ?. You can note the [Mrs.] term, they were > probably widows too for Berry + Foster ?. I am pointing this out for > another > reason: There has to be some reason for either Proctor or Mason to be in > Messingham ?. Ann Mason will still be b. in Newbold (and bp. in Messingham > ?). > > Then still on the m. record: [Witness: Thomas Bingley/Bingly]: Well, > firstly > the Elizabeth Mason could be Ann Mason's stepmother ?. Then, I suspect he > is > the Thomas Bingly b:1801 or so ?. [< Names Here: Bingly, Hall, Burwill, > Cave, Dixon]. Then some [Names: Hall, Lockwood, Middleton, Whattam, Mason]. > Thomas Bingly should be properly recognised. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Still didnt give you the url for Anns father Thomas to his second wife, Anns mother. http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Edie given you the same one twice for her grandparents ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Sorry forgot the second URL for Thomas and Elizabeth, Ann parents marriage http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Maybe you can work on that Bart and Stephen. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Anns father Thomas parents marriage on free reg URL http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Then i think I have Anns parents marriage in a Baptist church on this url. He is a widower at the marriage, so his second marriage. havent checked any children from his first marriage. So could be that his second wife was not from Messingham or even Lincolnshire.. What if he did meet his second wife in Newfoundland? Couldb e that Ann was born there if the wife was a Canadian.. that may not be correct, but you never know. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi again, I have now found it on free reg. http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae75e93790332e7d27d8?search_id=56a34944f493fd261a0001f6 Now the fiche did not give place of marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth. Going back into fre reg to see if it is there someplaace as Ann may have been born a place other than Messingham and chr at her fathers place of birth. His family go back as far as 1724 in Messingham at least for Christening, but they could have lived at an adjoining parish and born there. Edie. Never shoed on familysearch, but may donow we have this detail on the fiche. It is so easy to first check the fiche as it alwo shows if there is any change in the way something is spelt. . ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Stephen, Bart and anyone else who have searched,I have a perfect match for you Stephenn. I have been to my local familyhistory society today and we have two sets of good old fiche. The 1992 one has come up trumps for the correct christening for Ann with parents Thomas and Elizabeth. On the fiche it is a couple up from Benjamin and Rebecca who I beleive is the brother and sister in law of Thomas, Anns father.. This is the entry, so if you have access to fiche, you can see for yourselves, although the marriage of Ann and the chr of William Proctor doesnt show on them. I haven't looked to see if freereg has this entry for Anns christening to Thomas and Elizabeth. This is the information on the fiche. Ann Mason, female christening, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, at Messingham, 25 December 1811. batch C0300202, serial number 3505. I would imagine if you were to send to Salt Lake City with that number or there may be another number. I can find on another set of fiche ! with batch numbers, They could send you the origianl image Stephen. I think this batch number and the date etc hould be enough. At the same time that this Thomas and Elizabeth are christening another son, Benajmin and Rebecca are christenibng a child in 1815. I think I found the chr of both Thomas and Benjamin so pretty certain they are brothers. They both had daughters Ann.The Messingham entries sxeem to start with 1724 for the Mason families. Ichecked right the way down from the A's to as far as they went int he alphabet and that was the first entry. Now this Thomas seems to have been chr to Thomas and Winefred at Messingham 19 March 1780 Batch number C030202. His parents marriage took place Thomas married Winefred Jopsonat Messingham (didnt write Church down) 20 May 1779. Neither fiche nor the familysearch sige is complete and I checked the Phillimores to see when records were started. Witll givein another posting as you need to check Phillimores to see if the Church is evenbuilt in an area before you come to the conclusion they werent there and which other society filmed the records and at what date. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Stephen Wood via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Bart! Thanks for your input. Just a quick note to mention that the transcription for the witness Elizabeth Mason on the marriage record for William Procter and Ann Mason is wrong. I looked at the original and it appears to read Elizabeth Braman. Interestingly enough, both witnesses, Thomas Bingley and Elizabeth Braman are the next couple listed in the register, a few months later. I have started to follow up on the ancestry of that couple to see if they are relatives, but it is still a work in progress. Thomas was born in Nottinghamshire about 1798 and married twice - first wife Elizabeth died in 1829, then he wed secondly to Elizabeth Braman in 1835. She was born about 1785 in North Carlton, Lincs. No obvious connection, but I haven't determined if Elizabeth Braman was a widow or not, or who the first Elizabeth was. [A John Brahman was buried in Messingham in 1833, age 44, however. A John Brannan [original record checked] married Elizabeth Dixon in Messingham in 1810.??] Benjamin Mason is called a Bachelor on his marriage to [widow] Betty Berry in 1826. That is the main reason I have listed him apart from the Benjamin Mason who wed Rebecca Moins in 1811 in Messingham. If the register is in error, then your theory would hold true [Original record checked]. There is a second Benjamin Mason bpt. in 1788 in Blyton (about 7 miles from Messingham) which puts his date of birth a bit closer to that of Rebecca's [ca. 1791]. It's quite the mess, isn't it! Stephen On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Then on the m. record, please correct me if I am missing something here: > This is the m:1835 !!! !!! !!! 1835 !!! !!! !!! for Ann Mason to William > Proctor in Messingham, which is fine!. You see, the signatory Elizabeth > Mason here can not be her sister, and I will quote you: [Benjamin Mason > married a Rebecca (c1791-1823 Wootton) and they had four children: Ann > (c1813 Messingham -?); Elizabeth (c1815 Messingham - 1823 Wootton); Solomon > (c1820 Thornton Curtis - 1823 Wootton); George (c1822 Wootton - ?)]. > > > > However, I do not know yet, and no Benjamin or Ann Mason d. date for > Wootton, everyone else has one, not him yet ?. did he come back to > Messingham ?. One Benjamin Mason that still 'seems' to be in Messingham > m:1826 in Messingham to Mrs. Betty Berry (Elizabeth), 1826 being 3 years > after the 1823 deaths in Wootton, the mother and all the other children did > die ?. So we would have one Elizabeth Mason living from 1826 to before 1843 > as wife of one Benjamin Mason. Nothing is overlapping ?. They have 1-2 > offspring, Betty Mason? b:1833 I think is one of them ?. Then one Benjamin > Mason m:1843 in Messingham to Rebecca Foster. No offspring it seems. So did > Benjamin Mason m. 3 times ?. You can note the [Mrs.] term, they were > probably widows too for Berry + Foster ?. I am pointing this out for > another > reason: There has to be some reason for either Proctor or Mason to be in > Messingham ?. Ann Mason will still be b. in Newbold (and bp. in Messingham > ?). > > Then still on the m. record: [Witness: Thomas Bingley/Bingly]: Well, > firstly > the Elizabeth Mason could be Ann Mason's stepmother ?. Then, I suspect he > is > the Thomas Bingly b:1801 or so ?. [< Names Here: Bingly, Hall, Burwill, > Cave, Dixon]. Then some [Names: Hall, Lockwood, Middleton, Whattam, Mason]. > Thomas Bingly should be properly recognised. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Stephen what was the censu year you have seen. Is it like the 1841 census for Englandwhere they narrowed that first census down to five years for anyone above 15 ie. if born in 1816 it was narrowedm down to 1811. Also too,I have seen Anns birth date shift from 1812 as far up as 1818 in the English records in the various sites. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> To: eamca@bigpond.com; CC: thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Edie! Yes, it's ideal for the parents names, isn't it. I just wish the date was closer to about 1815 or so, which the census etc. tends to indicate. I'll definitely have to follow up on that entry, and the possible connection to Benjamin... thanks! Regards, Stephen On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 4:32 AM, <eamca@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi Stephen, Bart and anyone else who have searched,I have a perfect match > for you Stephenn. I have been to my local familyhistory society today and > we have two sets of good old fiche. The 1992 one has come up trumps for > the correct christening for Ann with parents Thomas and Elizabeth. On the > fiche it is a couple up from Benjamin and Rebecca who I beleive is the > brother and sister in law of Thomas, Anns father.. This is the entry, so > if you have access to fiche, you can see for yourselves, although the > marriage of Ann and the chr of William Proctor doesnt show on them. I > haven't looked to see if freereg has this entry for Anns christening to > Thomas and Elizabeth. This is the information on the fiche. Ann Mason, > female christening, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, at Messingham, 25 > December 1811. batch C0300202, serial number 3505. > <snip>

Too many 0's for the batch numberf ffor Messingham. Marriages M030202, Christenings C030202 Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Stephen, Bart and anyone else who have searched,I have a perfect match for you Stephenn. I have been to my local familyhistory society today and we have two sets of good old fiche. The 1992 one has come up trumps for the correct christening for Ann with parents Thomas and Elizabeth. On the fiche it is a couple up from Benjamin and Rebecca who I beleive is the brother and sister in law of Thomas, Anns father.. This is the entry, so if you have access to fiche, you can see for yourselves, although the marriage of Ann and the chr of William Proctor doesnt show on them. I haven't looked to see if freereg has this entry for Anns christening to Thomas and Elizabeth. This is the information on the fiche. Ann Mason, female christening, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, at Messingham, 25 December 1811. batch C0300202, serial number 3505. I would imagine if you were to send to Salt Lake City with that number or there may be another number. I can find on another set of fiche ! with batch numbers,

Sorry forgot the second URL for Thomas and Elizabeth, Ann parents marriage http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Maybe you can work on that Bart and Stephen. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Anns father Thomas parents marriage on free reg URL http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Then i think I have Anns parents marriage in a Baptist church on this url. He is a widower at the marriage, so his second marriage. havent checked any children from his first marriage. So could be that his second wife was not from Messingham or even Lincolnshire.. What if he did meet his second wife in Newfoundland? Couldb e that Ann was born there if the wife was a Canadian.. that may not be correct, but you never know. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi again, I have now found it on free reg. http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae75e93790332e7d27d8?search_id=56a34944f493fd261a0001f6 Now the fiche did not give place of marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth. Going back into fre reg to see if it is there someplaace as Ann may have been born a place other than Messingham and chr at her fathers place of birth. His family go back as far as 1724 in Messingham at least for Christening, but they could have lived at an adjoining parish and born there. Edie. Never shoed on familysearch, but may donow we have this detail on the fiche. It is so easy to first check the fiche as it alwo shows if there is any change in the way something is spelt. . ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Stephen, Bart and anyone else who have searched,I have a perfect match for you Stephenn. I have been to my local familyhistory society today and we have two sets of good old fiche. The 1992 one has come up trumps for the correct christening for Ann with parents Thomas and Elizabeth. On the fiche it is a couple up from Benjamin and Rebecca who I beleive is the brother and sister in law of Thomas, Anns father.. This is the entry, so if you have access to fiche, you can see for yourselves, although the marriage of Ann and the chr of William Proctor doesnt show on them. I haven't looked to see if freereg has this entry for Anns christening to Thomas and Elizabeth. This is the information on the fiche. Ann Mason, female christening, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, at Messingham, 25 December 1811. batch C0300202, serial number 3505. I would imagine if you were to send to Salt Lake City with that number or there may be another number. I can find on another set of fiche ! with batch numbers, They could send you the origianl image Stephen. I think this batch number and the date etc hould be enough. At the same time that this Thomas and Elizabeth are christening another son, Benajmin and Rebecca are christenibng a child in 1815. I think I found the chr of both Thomas and Benjamin so pretty certain they are brothers. They both had daughters Ann.The Messingham entries sxeem to start with 1724 for the Mason families. Ichecked right the way down from the A's to as far as they went int he alphabet and that was the first entry. Now this Thomas seems to have been chr to Thomas and Winefred at Messingham 19 March 1780 Batch number C030202. His parents marriage took place Thomas married Winefred Jopsonat Messingham (didnt write Church down) 20 May 1779. Neither fiche nor the familysearch sige is complete and I checked the Phillimores to see when records were started. Witll givein another posting as you need to check Phillimores to see if the Church is evenbuilt in an area before you come to the conclusion they werent there and which other society filmed the records and at what date. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Stephen Wood via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Bart! Thanks for your input. Just a quick note to mention that the transcription for the witness Elizabeth Mason on the marriage record for William Procter and Ann Mason is wrong. I looked at the original and it appears to read Elizabeth Braman. Interestingly enough, both witnesses, Thomas Bingley and Elizabeth Braman are the next couple listed in the register, a few months later. I have started to follow up on the ancestry of that couple to see if they are relatives, but it is still a work in progress. Thomas was born in Nottinghamshire about 1798 and married twice - first wife Elizabeth died in 1829, then he wed secondly to Elizabeth Braman in 1835. She was born about 1785 in North Carlton, Lincs. No obvious connection, but I haven't determined if Elizabeth Braman was a widow or not, or who the first Elizabeth was. [A John Brahman was buried in Messingham in 1833, age 44, however. A John Brannan [original record checked] married Elizabeth Dixon in Messingham in 1810.??] Benjamin Mason is called a Bachelor on his marriage to [widow] Betty Berry in 1826. That is the main reason I have listed him apart from the Benjamin Mason who wed Rebecca Moins in 1811 in Messingham. If the register is in error, then your theory would hold true [Original record checked]. There is a second Benjamin Mason bpt. in 1788 in Blyton (about 7 miles from Messingham) which puts his date of birth a bit closer to that of Rebecca's [ca. 1791]. It's quite the mess, isn't it! Stephen On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Then on the m. record, please correct me if I am missing something here: > This is the m:1835 !!! !!! !!! 1835 !!! !!! !!! for Ann Mason to William > Proctor in Messingham, which is fine!. You see, the signatory Elizabeth > Mason here can not be her sister, and I will quote you: [Benjamin Mason > married a Rebecca (c1791-1823 Wootton) and they had four children: Ann > (c1813 Messingham -?); Elizabeth (c1815 Messingham - 1823 Wootton); Solomon > (c1820 Thornton Curtis - 1823 Wootton); George (c1822 Wootton - ?)]. > > > > However, I do not know yet, and no Benjamin or Ann Mason d. date for > Wootton, everyone else has one, not him yet ?. did he come back to > Messingham ?. One Benjamin Mason that still 'seems' to be in Messingham > m:1826 in Messingham to Mrs. Betty Berry (Elizabeth), 1826 being 3 years > after the 1823 deaths in Wootton, the mother and all the other children did > die ?. So we would have one Elizabeth Mason living from 1826 to before 1843 > as wife of one Benjamin Mason. Nothing is overlapping ?. They have 1-2 > offspring, Betty Mason? b:1833 I think is one of them ?. Then one Benjamin > Mason m:1843 in Messingham to Rebecca Foster. No offspring it seems. So did > Benjamin Mason m. 3 times ?. You can note the [Mrs.] term, they were > probably widows too for Berry + Foster ?. I am pointing this out for > another > reason: There has to be some reason for either Proctor or Mason to be in > Messingham ?. Ann Mason will still be b. in Newbold (and bp. in Messingham > ?). > > Then still on the m. record: [Witness: Thomas Bingley/Bingly]: Well, > firstly > the Elizabeth Mason could be Ann Mason's stepmother ?. Then, I suspect he > is > the Thomas Bingly b:1801 or so ?. [< Names Here: Bingly, Hall, Burwill, > Cave, Dixon]. Then some [Names: Hall, Lockwood, Middleton, Whattam, Mason]. > Thomas Bingly should be properly recognised. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anns father Thomas parents marriage on free reg URL http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c Then i think I have Anns parents marriage in a Baptist church on this url. He is a widower at the marriage, so his second marriage. havent checked any children from his first marriage. So could be that his second wife was not from Messingham or even Lincolnshire.. What if he did meet his second wife in Newfoundland? Couldb e that Ann was born there if the wife was a Canadian.. that may not be correct, but you never know. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi again, I have now found it on free reg. http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae75e93790332e7d27d8?search_id=56a34944f493fd261a0001f6 Now the fiche did not give place of marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth. Going back into fre reg to see if it is there someplaace as Ann may have been born a place other than Messingham and chr at her fathers place of birth. His family go back as far as 1724 in Messingham at least for Christening, but they could have lived at an adjoining parish and born there. Edie. Never shoed on familysearch, but may donow we have this detail on the fiche. It is so easy to first check the fiche as it alwo shows if there is any change in the way something is spelt. . ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Stephen, Bart and anyone else who have searched,I have a perfect match for you Stephenn. I have been to my local familyhistory society today and we have two sets of good old fiche. The 1992 one has come up trumps for the correct christening for Ann with parents Thomas and Elizabeth. On the fiche it is a couple up from Benjamin and Rebecca who I beleive is the brother and sister in law of Thomas, Anns father.. This is the entry, so if you have access to fiche, you can see for yourselves, although the marriage of Ann and the chr of William Proctor doesnt show on them. I haven't looked to see if freereg has this entry for Anns christening to Thomas and Elizabeth. This is the information on the fiche. Ann Mason, female christening, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, at Messingham, 25 December 1811. batch C0300202, serial number 3505. I would imagine if you were to send to Salt Lake City with that number or there may be another number. I can find on another set of fiche ! with batch numbers, They could send you the origianl image Stephen. I think this batch number and the date etc hould be enough. At the same time that this Thomas and Elizabeth are christening another son, Benajmin and Rebecca are christenibng a child in 1815. I think I found the chr of both Thomas and Benjamin so pretty certain they are brothers. They both had daughters Ann.The Messingham entries sxeem to start with 1724 for the Mason families. Ichecked right the way down from the A's to as far as they went int he alphabet and that was the first entry. Now this Thomas seems to have been chr to Thomas and Winefred at Messingham 19 March 1780 Batch number C030202. His parents marriage took place Thomas married Winefred Jopsonat Messingham (didnt write Church down) 20 May 1779. Neither fiche nor the familysearch sige is complete and I checked the Phillimores to see when records were started. Witll givein another posting as you need to check Phillimores to see if the Church is evenbuilt in an area before you come to the conclusion they werent there and which other society filmed the records and at what date. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Stephen Wood via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Bart! Thanks for your input. Just a quick note to mention that the transcription for the witness Elizabeth Mason on the marriage record for William Procter and Ann Mason is wrong. I looked at the original and it appears to read Elizabeth Braman. Interestingly enough, both witnesses, Thomas Bingley and Elizabeth Braman are the next couple listed in the register, a few months later. I have started to follow up on the ancestry of that couple to see if they are relatives, but it is still a work in progress. Thomas was born in Nottinghamshire about 1798 and married twice - first wife Elizabeth died in 1829, then he wed secondly to Elizabeth Braman in 1835. She was born about 1785 in North Carlton, Lincs. No obvious connection, but I haven't determined if Elizabeth Braman was a widow or not, or who the first Elizabeth was. [A John Brahman was buried in Messingham in 1833, age 44, however. A John Brannan [original record checked] married Elizabeth Dixon in Messingham in 1810.??] Benjamin Mason is called a Bachelor on his marriage to [widow] Betty Berry in 1826. That is the main reason I have listed him apart from the Benjamin Mason who wed Rebecca Moins in 1811 in Messingham. If the register is in error, then your theory would hold true [Original record checked]. There is a second Benjamin Mason bpt. in 1788 in Blyton (about 7 miles from Messingham) which puts his date of birth a bit closer to that of Rebecca's [ca. 1791]. It's quite the mess, isn't it! Stephen On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Then on the m. record, please correct me if I am missing something here: > This is the m:1835 !!! !!! !!! 1835 !!! !!! !!! for Ann Mason to William > Proctor in Messingham, which is fine!. You see, the signatory Elizabeth > Mason here can not be her sister, and I will quote you: [Benjamin Mason > married a Rebecca (c1791-1823 Wootton) and they had four children: Ann > (c1813 Messingham -?); Elizabeth (c1815 Messingham - 1823 Wootton); Solomon > (c1820 Thornton Curtis - 1823 Wootton); George (c1822 Wootton - ?)]. > > > > However, I do not know yet, and no Benjamin or Ann Mason d. date for > Wootton, everyone else has one, not him yet ?. did he come back to > Messingham ?. One Benjamin Mason that still 'seems' to be in Messingham > m:1826 in Messingham to Mrs. Betty Berry (Elizabeth), 1826 being 3 years > after the 1823 deaths in Wootton, the mother and all the other children did > die ?. So we would have one Elizabeth Mason living from 1826 to before 1843 > as wife of one Benjamin Mason. Nothing is overlapping ?. They have 1-2 > offspring, Betty Mason? b:1833 I think is one of them ?. Then one Benjamin > Mason m:1843 in Messingham to Rebecca Foster. No offspring it seems. So did > Benjamin Mason m. 3 times ?. You can note the [Mrs.] term, they were > probably widows too for Berry + Foster ?. I am pointing this out for > another > reason: There has to be some reason for either Proctor or Mason to be in > Messingham ?. Ann Mason will still be b. in Newbold (and bp. in Messingham > ?). > > Then still on the m. record: [Witness: Thomas Bingley/Bingly]: Well, > firstly > the Elizabeth Mason could be Ann Mason's stepmother ?. Then, I suspect he > is > the Thomas Bingly b:1801 or so ?. [< Names Here: Bingly, Hall, Burwill, > Cave, Dixon]. Then some [Names: Hall, Lockwood, Middleton, Whattam, Mason]. > Thomas Bingly should be properly recognised. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again, I have now found it on free reg. http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae75e93790332e7d27d8?search_id=56a34944f493fd261a0001f6 Now the fiche did not give place of marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth. Going back into fre reg to see if it is there someplaace as Ann may have been born a place other than Messingham and chr at her fathers place of birth. His family go back as far as 1724 in Messingham at least for Christening, but they could have lived at an adjoining parish and born there. Edie. Never shoed on familysearch, but may donow we have this detail on the fiche. It is so easy to first check the fiche as it alwo shows if there is any change in the way something is spelt. . ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Stephen, Bart and anyone else who have searched,I have a perfect match for you Stephenn. I have been to my local familyhistory society today and we have two sets of good old fiche. The 1992 one has come up trumps for the correct christening for Ann with parents Thomas and Elizabeth. On the fiche it is a couple up from Benjamin and Rebecca who I beleive is the brother and sister in law of Thomas, Anns father.. This is the entry, so if you have access to fiche, you can see for yourselves, although the marriage of Ann and the chr of William Proctor doesnt show on them. I haven't looked to see if freereg has this entry for Anns christening to Thomas and Elizabeth. This is the information on the fiche. Ann Mason, female christening, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, at Messingham, 25 December 1811. batch C0300202, serial number 3505. I would imagine if you were to send to Salt Lake City with that number or there may be another number. I can find on another set of fiche ! with batch numbers, They could send you the origianl image Stephen. I think this batch number and the date etc hould be enough. At the same time that this Thomas and Elizabeth are christening another son, Benajmin and Rebecca are christenibng a child in 1815. I think I found the chr of both Thomas and Benjamin so pretty certain they are brothers. They both had daughters Ann.The Messingham entries sxeem to start with 1724 for the Mason families. Ichecked right the way down from the A's to as far as they went int he alphabet and that was the first entry. Now this Thomas seems to have been chr to Thomas and Winefred at Messingham 19 March 1780 Batch number C030202. His parents marriage took place Thomas married Winefred Jopsonat Messingham (didnt write Church down) 20 May 1779. Neither fiche nor the familysearch sige is complete and I checked the Phillimores to see when records were started. Witll givein another posting as you need to check Phillimores to see if the Church is evenbuilt in an area before you come to the conclusion they werent there and which other society filmed the records and at what date. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Stephen Wood via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Bart! Thanks for your input. Just a quick note to mention that the transcription for the witness Elizabeth Mason on the marriage record for William Procter and Ann Mason is wrong. I looked at the original and it appears to read Elizabeth Braman. Interestingly enough, both witnesses, Thomas Bingley and Elizabeth Braman are the next couple listed in the register, a few months later. I have started to follow up on the ancestry of that couple to see if they are relatives, but it is still a work in progress. Thomas was born in Nottinghamshire about 1798 and married twice - first wife Elizabeth died in 1829, then he wed secondly to Elizabeth Braman in 1835. She was born about 1785 in North Carlton, Lincs. No obvious connection, but I haven't determined if Elizabeth Braman was a widow or not, or who the first Elizabeth was. [A John Brahman was buried in Messingham in 1833, age 44, however. A John Brannan [original record checked] married Elizabeth Dixon in Messingham in 1810.??] Benjamin Mason is called a Bachelor on his marriage to [widow] Betty Berry in 1826. That is the main reason I have listed him apart from the Benjamin Mason who wed Rebecca Moins in 1811 in Messingham. If the register is in error, then your theory would hold true [Original record checked]. There is a second Benjamin Mason bpt. in 1788 in Blyton (about 7 miles from Messingham) which puts his date of birth a bit closer to that of Rebecca's [ca. 1791]. It's quite the mess, isn't it! Stephen On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Then on the m. record, please correct me if I am missing something here: > This is the m:1835 !!! !!! !!! 1835 !!! !!! !!! for Ann Mason to William > Proctor in Messingham, which is fine!. You see, the signatory Elizabeth > Mason here can not be her sister, and I will quote you: [Benjamin Mason > married a Rebecca (c1791-1823 Wootton) and they had four children: Ann > (c1813 Messingham -?); Elizabeth (c1815 Messingham - 1823 Wootton); Solomon > (c1820 Thornton Curtis - 1823 Wootton); George (c1822 Wootton - ?)]. > > > > However, I do not know yet, and no Benjamin or Ann Mason d. date for > Wootton, everyone else has one, not him yet ?. did he come back to > Messingham ?. One Benjamin Mason that still 'seems' to be in Messingham > m:1826 in Messingham to Mrs. Betty Berry (Elizabeth), 1826 being 3 years > after the 1823 deaths in Wootton, the mother and all the other children did > die ?. So we would have one Elizabeth Mason living from 1826 to before 1843 > as wife of one Benjamin Mason. Nothing is overlapping ?. They have 1-2 > offspring, Betty Mason? b:1833 I think is one of them ?. Then one Benjamin > Mason m:1843 in Messingham to Rebecca Foster. No offspring it seems. So did > Benjamin Mason m. 3 times ?. You can note the [Mrs.] term, they were > probably widows too for Berry + Foster ?. I am pointing this out for > another > reason: There has to be some reason for either Proctor or Mason to be in > Messingham ?. Ann Mason will still be b. in Newbold (and bp. in Messingham > ?). > > Then still on the m. record: [Witness: Thomas Bingley/Bingly]: Well, > firstly > the Elizabeth Mason could be Ann Mason's stepmother ?. Then, I suspect he > is > the Thomas Bingly b:1801 or so ?. [< Names Here: Bingly, Hall, Burwill, > Cave, Dixon]. Then some [Names: Hall, Lockwood, Middleton, Whattam, Mason]. > Thomas Bingly should be properly recognised. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Stephen, Bart and anyone else who have searched,I have a perfect match for you Stephenn. I have been to my local familyhistory society today and we have two sets of good old fiche. The 1992 one has come up trumps for the correct christening for Ann with parents Thomas and Elizabeth. On the fiche it is a couple up from Benjamin and Rebecca who I beleive is the brother and sister in law of Thomas, Anns father.. This is the entry, so if you have access to fiche, you can see for yourselves, although the marriage of Ann and the chr of William Proctor doesnt show on them. I haven't looked to see if freereg has this entry for Anns christening to Thomas and Elizabeth. This is the information on the fiche. Ann Mason, female christening, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, at Messingham, 25 December 1811. batch C0300202, serial number 3505. I would imagine if you were to send to Salt Lake City with that number or there may be another number. I can find on another set of fiche ! with batch numbers, They could send you the origianl image Stephen. I think this batch number and the date etc hould be enough. At the same time that this Thomas and Elizabeth are christening another son, Benajmin and Rebecca are christenibng a child in 1815. I think I found the chr of both Thomas and Benjamin so pretty certain they are brothers. They both had daughters Ann.The Messingham entries sxeem to start with 1724 for the Mason families. Ichecked right the way down from the A's to as far as they went int he alphabet and that was the first entry. Now this Thomas seems to have been chr to Thomas and Winefred at Messingham 19 March 1780 Batch number C030202. His parents marriage took place Thomas married Winefred Jopsonat Messingham (didnt write Church down) 20 May 1779. Neither fiche nor the familysearch sige is complete and I checked the Phillimores to see when records were started. Witll givein another posting as you need to check Phillimores to see if the Church is evenbuilt in an area before you come to the conclusion they werent there and which other society filmed the records and at what date. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Stephen Wood via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hi Bart! Thanks for your input. Just a quick note to mention that the transcription for the witness Elizabeth Mason on the marriage record for William Procter and Ann Mason is wrong. I looked at the original and it appears to read Elizabeth Braman. Interestingly enough, both witnesses, Thomas Bingley and Elizabeth Braman are the next couple listed in the register, a few months later. I have started to follow up on the ancestry of that couple to see if they are relatives, but it is still a work in progress. Thomas was born in Nottinghamshire about 1798 and married twice - first wife Elizabeth died in 1829, then he wed secondly to Elizabeth Braman in 1835. She was born about 1785 in North Carlton, Lincs. No obvious connection, but I haven't determined if Elizabeth Braman was a widow or not, or who the first Elizabeth was. [A John Brahman was buried in Messingham in 1833, age 44, however. A John Brannan [original record checked] married Elizabeth Dixon in Messingham in 1810.??] Benjamin Mason is called a Bachelor on his marriage to [widow] Betty Berry in 1826. That is the main reason I have listed him apart from the Benjamin Mason who wed Rebecca Moins in 1811 in Messingham. If the register is in error, then your theory would hold true [Original record checked]. There is a second Benjamin Mason bpt. in 1788 in Blyton (about 7 miles from Messingham) which puts his date of birth a bit closer to that of Rebecca's [ca. 1791]. It's quite the mess, isn't it! Stephen On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Then on the m. record, please correct me if I am missing something here: > This is the m:1835 !!! !!! !!! 1835 !!! !!! !!! for Ann Mason to William > Proctor in Messingham, which is fine!. You see, the signatory Elizabeth > Mason here can not be her sister, and I will quote you: [Benjamin Mason > married a Rebecca (c1791-1823 Wootton) and they had four children: Ann > (c1813 Messingham -?); Elizabeth (c1815 Messingham - 1823 Wootton); Solomon > (c1820 Thornton Curtis - 1823 Wootton); George (c1822 Wootton - ?)]. > > > > However, I do not know yet, and no Benjamin or Ann Mason d. date for > Wootton, everyone else has one, not him yet ?. did he come back to > Messingham ?. One Benjamin Mason that still 'seems' to be in Messingham > m:1826 in Messingham to Mrs. Betty Berry (Elizabeth), 1826 being 3 years > after the 1823 deaths in Wootton, the mother and all the other children did > die ?. So we would have one Elizabeth Mason living from 1826 to before 1843 > as wife of one Benjamin Mason. Nothing is overlapping ?. They have 1-2 > offspring, Betty Mason? b:1833 I think is one of them ?. Then one Benjamin > Mason m:1843 in Messingham to Rebecca Foster. No offspring it seems. So did > Benjamin Mason m. 3 times ?. You can note the [Mrs.] term, they were > probably widows too for Berry + Foster ?. I am pointing this out for > another > reason: There has to be some reason for either Proctor or Mason to be in > Messingham ?. Ann Mason will still be b. in Newbold (and bp. in Messingham > ?). > > Then still on the m. record: [Witness: Thomas Bingley/Bingly]: Well, > firstly > the Elizabeth Mason could be Ann Mason's stepmother ?. Then, I suspect he > is > the Thomas Bingly b:1801 or so ?. [< Names Here: Bingly, Hall, Burwill, > Cave, Dixon]. Then some [Names: Hall, Lockwood, Middleton, Whattam, Mason]. > Thomas Bingly should be properly recognised. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn't look on FMP, I looked on the LFHS Marriage Bonds & Allegations CD. There were many reasons for marrying by licence and it should not be assumed that only rich people did so. Sometimes overseers of the poor arranged licences for unmarried couples who were imminently expecting an offspring. I remember a letter from a father with one of the bonds/allegations whilst I was indexing them. It was obvious from the letter that the marriage was taking place in haste as his daughter was pregnant! Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eamca via Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 1:24 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; duncalf@one-name.org Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham I couldnt find it on lincs to the past Anne,you must have to subscribe. I am on genes aswell and have found some folk researching in Messingham and I am trying for Elizabeth Dexter. I actually did see someone looking for Elizabeth Dexter in York, Ontario, Canada but she was only aged ten. Found another in the right time frame in Lincoln but not Great hale though. This marriage in Great hale was by license I thought that was usually if the person was under age or in the services or gentry etc. 10 was too young anyone I would l think I know at that time until 1929 girls of 12 and boys of 14 were able to marry with parental consent, but 10 would be too young, so I have dismissed that one. Waiting for replies. did tell them it was for someone on lincsgen in the hopes they may subscribe and be in touch with Stephen direct. Thomas himself seems to have been chr at Messingham to Daniel and Ann and that family go back to 1724, then nothing before. If in fact it is all correct. At least there is a good chance that it is with parents Thomas and Elizabeth for Ann to have named children same names. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> To: eamca@bigpond.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: RE: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham The bond and allegation have survived (this is also on FMP). Both were "of Great Hale", but they only need to have resided there a short time to be of that parish. Ages given as 21 so the allegation probably says "over 21 years or age or something similar. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11465 - Release Date: 01/23/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11465 - Release Date: 01/23/16

The bond and allegation have survived (this is also on FMP). Both were "of Great Hale", but they only need to have resided there a short time to be of that parish. Ages given as 21 so the allegation probably says "over 21 years or age or something similar. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eamca via Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 12:03 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; duncalf@one-name.org Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham I am glad you put that Anne,as I found her entry on findmypast five minutes ago and tried to look for her Christening. Think I found one on familysearch at Dunsby near Bourne. It may not be her chr. The marriage was by license. this is apossibleentry for her chri https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenna me%3AElizabeth~%20%2Bsurname%3ADexter~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1790-1798~%20%2Bgen der%3AF&collection_id=1473014 Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> To: eamca@bigpond.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: RE: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham The LFHS marriage Index (volume 2) gives the bride's name as Elizabeth DEXTER. Checked the marriage on Links to the Past and it is indeed DEXTER. There is a Dexter One Name Study. May be useful to contact him via the GOONS website http://one-name.org/ Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eamca via Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:34 AM To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Right that is it. I have tried to fo the right thing and just give url. This is the detail Elizabeth DTER Thos Mason widower, marriage 2 June 1808, Great Hale (St John the Baptist (unspecified) The rest of the detail,you can go in and see. That surname is strange. Since this marriage took place in 1808 it is possible that they were over seas a little later and did give birth to Ann over there and have come back maybe the wife has come back for Thomas family christened Ann while over there in EWngland and then has gone back to her husband Thomas. Later having Thoms the son. Maybe Thomas already had childre in England and took Ann to meet them. More work for you. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Sorry it wasnt letting me put the Url for the details, so this is the few marriages, it i the top one. the surname of the mother isnt clear seems a funny name, but maybe not complete. Great Hale, Baptist is what you are looking for. Edie www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae 133045b16be00050c ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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The LFHS marriage Index (volume 2) gives the bride's name as Elizabeth DEXTER. Checked the marriage on Links to the Past and it is indeed DEXTER. There is a Dexter One Name Study. May be useful to contact him via the GOONS website http://one-name.org/ Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eamca via Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:34 AM To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Right that is it. I have tried to fo the right thing and just give url. This is the detail Elizabeth DTER Thos Mason widower, marriage 2 June 1808, Great Hale (St John the Baptist (unspecified) The rest of the detail,you can go in and see. That surname is strange. Since this marriage took place in 1808 it is possible that they were over seas a little later and did give birth to Ann over there and have come back maybe the wife has come back for Thomas family christened Ann while over there in EWngland and then has gone back to her husband Thomas. Later having Thoms the son. Maybe Thomas already had childre in England and took Ann to meet them. More work for you. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Sorry it wasnt letting me put the Url for the details, so this is the few marriages, it i the top one. the surname of the mother isnt clear seems a funny name, but maybe not complete. Great Hale, Baptist is what you are looking for. Edie www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae 133045b16be00050c ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11465 - Release Date: 01/23/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11465 - Release Date: 01/23/16

Hi Edie The enumerators instructions were quite clear for 1841, although some enumerators ignored the instruction For those above 15 the age should be rounded down to the nearest whole five (below 15 record as stated) ie 15 to 19 = 15 20 to 24 = 20 25 to 29 = 25 30 to 34 = 30 etc Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/01/2016 10:02, eamca via wrote: > Hi Stephen what was the censu year you have seen. Is it like the > 1841 census for Englandwhere they narrowed that first census down to > five years for anyone above 15 ie. if born in 1816 it was narrowedm > down to 1811. Also too,I have seen Anns birth date shift from 1812 > as far up as 1818 in the English records in the various sites. Edie > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Edie! Yes, it's ideal for the parents names, isn't it. I just wish the date was closer to about 1815 or so, which the census etc. tends to indicate. I'll definitely have to follow up on that entry, and the possible connection to Benjamin... thanks! Regards, Stephen On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 4:32 AM, <eamca@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi Stephen, Bart and anyone else who have searched,I have a perfect match > for you Stephenn. I have been to my local familyhistory society today and > we have two sets of good old fiche. The 1992 one has come up trumps for > the correct christening for Ann with parents Thomas and Elizabeth. On the > fiche it is a couple up from Benjamin and Rebecca who I beleive is the > brother and sister in law of Thomas, Anns father.. This is the entry, so > if you have access to fiche, you can see for yourselves, although the > marriage of Ann and the chr of William Proctor doesnt show on them. I > haven't looked to see if freereg has this entry for Anns christening to > Thomas and Elizabeth. This is the information on the fiche. Ann Mason, > female christening, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, at Messingham, 25 > December 1811. batch C0300202, serial number 3505. > <snip>

[Still on the [200m level] go SW till you see Scotterthorpe which NW of Scotter]: Should read "go SE". Bart. -----Original Message-----

http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae80e93790332e7d4007?search_id=56a26ed2f4040b2da90009d7 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.5281/-0.7021 http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510aea1e93790332e7d6d8f?search_id=56a277e7f4040b2da9000a8e 1835: William Proctor is living at Messingham Common: Zoomed in at the [200m level] you should be able to see Messingham Common. If you follow the purple dotted line, you can basically get the outline of this area here, covering Sand House Farm, Hollywood Farm, etc. Still on the [200m level] go SW till you see Scotterthorpe which NW of Scotter. So these two farm land area are basically adjacent to each other, and in Scotterthorpe you will find 'I think' Thomas Cooling Moins bp:1822 chilling out there etc. If you use Google Maps Earth View, you can probably see which house William Proctor might have lived in or so in Messingham Common etc. Then on the m. record, please correct me if I am missing something here: This is the m:1835 !!! !!! !!! 1835 !!! !!! !!! for Ann Mason to William Proctor in Messingham, which is fine!. You see, the signatory Elizabeth Mason here can not be her sister, and I will quote you: [Benjamin Mason married a Rebecca (c1791-1823 Wootton) and they had four children: Ann (c1813 Messingham -?); Elizabeth (c1815 Messingham - 1823 Wootton); Solomon (c1820 Thornton Curtis - 1823 Wootton); George (c1822 Wootton - ?)]. Ann Mason bp:1813 in Messingham (And your Ann Mason/Proctor tells us she is b:Newbold), her apparent sister Elizabeth Mason could not have signed the m. record if she has died in 1823, 22 years ago by now !!!. However, I do not know yet, and no Benjamin or Ann Mason d. date for Wootton, everyone else has one, not him yet ?. did he come back to Messingham ?. One Benjamin Mason that still 'seems' to be in Messingham m:1826 in Messingham to Mrs. Betty Berry (Elizabeth), 1826 being 3 years after the 1823 deaths in Wootton, the mother and all the other children did die ?. So we would have one Elizabeth Mason living from 1826 to before 1843 as wife of one Benjamin Mason. Nothing is overlapping ?. They have 1-2 offspring, Betty Mason? b:1833 I think is one of them ?. Then one Benjamin Mason m:1843 in Messingham to Rebecca Foster. No offspring it seems. So did Benjamin Mason m. 3 times ?. You can note the [Mrs.] term, they were probably widows too for Berry + Foster ?. I am pointing this out for another reason: There has to be some reason for either Proctor or Mason to be in Messingham ?. Ann Mason will still be b. in Newbold (and bp. in Messingham ?). Then still on the m. record: [Witness: Thomas Bingley/Bingly]: Well, firstly the Elizabeth Mason could be Ann Mason's stepmother ?. Then, I suspect he is the Thomas Bingly b:1801 or so ?. [< Names Here: Bingly, Hall, Burwill, Cave, Dixon]. Then some [Names: Hall, Lockwood, Middleton, Whattam, Mason]. Thomas Bingly should be properly recognised. === === Maybe something to look at ?: = Place Messingham Holy Trinity 13 Feb 1831 Groom forename Robert LOCKWOOD Groom abode East Butterwick Bride forename Ann MIDDLETON Bride abode East Butterwick Witness1 forename Ann POPPLE Benjamin POPPLE Banns, Robert signed, Ann X. = Place Messingham Holy Trinity 15 Jun 1840 Groom forename Thomas LOCKWOOD Bachelor Groom abode Messingham Farm Servant Bride forename Mary BINGLEY Bride condition Spinster Messingham Groom father forename Robert LOCKWOOD Farmer Bride father forename Thomas BINGLEY Labourer Witness1 forename Thomas FOSTER George BINGLEY = Place Messingham Holy Trinity 05 Jul 1843 Groom forename Thomas FOSTER Bachelor Groom abode Messingham Shoemaker Bride forename Mary Anne MASON Spinster Bride abode Messingham Groom father forename Edward FOSTER Cordwainer Bride father forename William MASON Railway Officer Witness1 forename William MASON Witness2 forename Caroline MASON = Place Messingham Holy Trinity 14 May 1860 Groom forename John FOSTER 24 bachelor Groom abode East Butterwick Labourer Bride forename Harriet MIDDLETON 19 spinster Bride abode East Butterwick Groom father forename Thomas FOSTER Labourer Bride father forename Francis MIDDLETON Labourer Witness1 forename Thomas MIDDLETON Witness2 forename Ann SIMPSON === Bart .... -----Original Message-----

Hi Bart! Thanks for your input. Just a quick note to mention that the transcription for the witness Elizabeth Mason on the marriage record for William Procter and Ann Mason is wrong. I looked at the original and it appears to read Elizabeth Braman. Interestingly enough, both witnesses, Thomas Bingley and Elizabeth Braman are the next couple listed in the register, a few months later. I have started to follow up on the ancestry of that couple to see if they are relatives, but it is still a work in progress. Thomas was born in Nottinghamshire about 1798 and married twice - first wife Elizabeth died in 1829, then he wed secondly to Elizabeth Braman in 1835. She was born about 1785 in North Carlton, Lincs. No obvious connection, but I haven't determined if Elizabeth Braman was a widow or not, or who the first Elizabeth was. [A John Brahman was buried in Messingham in 1833, age 44, however. A John Brannan [original record checked] married Elizabeth Dixon in Messingham in 1810.??] Benjamin Mason is called a Bachelor on his marriage to [widow] Betty Berry in 1826. That is the main reason I have listed him apart from the Benjamin Mason who wed Rebecca Moins in 1811 in Messingham. If the register is in error, then your theory would hold true [Original record checked]. There is a second Benjamin Mason bpt. in 1788 in Blyton (about 7 miles from Messingham) which puts his date of birth a bit closer to that of Rebecca's [ca. 1791]. It's quite the mess, isn't it! Stephen On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Then on the m. record, please correct me if I am missing something here: > This is the m:1835 !!! !!! !!! 1835 !!! !!! !!! for Ann Mason to William > Proctor in Messingham, which is fine!. You see, the signatory Elizabeth > Mason here can not be her sister, and I will quote you: [Benjamin Mason > married a Rebecca (c1791-1823 Wootton) and they had four children: Ann > (c1813 Messingham -?); Elizabeth (c1815 Messingham - 1823 Wootton); Solomon > (c1820 Thornton Curtis - 1823 Wootton); George (c1822 Wootton - ?)]. > > > > However, I do not know yet, and no Benjamin or Ann Mason d. date for > Wootton, everyone else has one, not him yet ?. did he come back to > Messingham ?. One Benjamin Mason that still 'seems' to be in Messingham > m:1826 in Messingham to Mrs. Betty Berry (Elizabeth), 1826 being 3 years > after the 1823 deaths in Wootton, the mother and all the other children did > die ?. So we would have one Elizabeth Mason living from 1826 to before 1843 > as wife of one Benjamin Mason. Nothing is overlapping ?. They have 1-2 > offspring, Betty Mason? b:1833 I think is one of them ?. Then one Benjamin > Mason m:1843 in Messingham to Rebecca Foster. No offspring it seems. So did > Benjamin Mason m. 3 times ?. You can note the [Mrs.] term, they were > probably widows too for Berry + Foster ?. I am pointing this out for > another > reason: There has to be some reason for either Proctor or Mason to be in > Messingham ?. Ann Mason will still be b. in Newbold (and bp. in Messingham > ?). > > Then still on the m. record: [Witness: Thomas Bingley/Bingly]: Well, > firstly > the Elizabeth Mason could be Ann Mason's stepmother ?. Then, I suspect he > is > the Thomas Bingly b:1801 or so ?. [< Names Here: Bingly, Hall, Burwill, > Cave, Dixon]. Then some [Names: Hall, Lockwood, Middleton, Whattam, Mason]. > Thomas Bingly should be properly recognised. > >

Hi Bart, Since William Proctor and Ann Mason were married in Messingham 1 June, 1835 per freereg, Stephen found it, it is likely that Elizabeth was also baptised there. So that is most likely correct. I wouldnt have minded having another look at the shipping as I think I would see Messingham now, especially with the old s, like Stephen said. Not sure about that Newbold though. I can't see where there is one nearby. What eve,r it seems Ann wasn't born in same place, even if she was maybe baptised there, otherwise she would have written Messingham for her place of birth as well, wouldnt she? Edie. I note on genes there are folk looking for these people, so changed the subject heading so it will be picked up in Archives in the future, for anyone looking for either Ann Mason or William Proctor. ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] WHERE IS NEWFOULD? Hello: [The double 'ss' in Messingham matches the double 'ss' in the William Bossingham name (10 lines down)]: Actually it does!. [I'll check out the appropriate Stainton Langworth records when I can get access to them]: Yes!. These records don't seem to be searchable online, and you need to check them out. Here are the closest churches I can find to Newball: = St. Hugh, Station Road, Langworth, Lincolnshire. St. John the Baptist, Stainton by Langworth, Lincolnshire. St. Edward, Barlings Lane, Barlings, Lincolnshire. St. Edward, Sudbrooke, Lincolnshire [Further away]. = [Moins/Moyns/Moynes]: Benjamin Mason m:1811 Messingham Rebecca Moins and had: Ann Mason b:1813 Newbold m:1835 Messingham William Proctor. = I think I am going to sit on MESSINGHAM and NEWBOLD=NEWBALL for now. Bart .... -----Original Message----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: [The double 'ss' in Messingham matches the double 'ss' in the William Bossingham name (10 lines down)]: Actually it does!. [I'll check out the appropriate Stainton Langworth records when I can get access to them]: Yes!. These records don't seem to be searchable online, and you need to check them out. Here are the closest churches I can find to Newball: = St. Hugh, Station Road, Langworth, Lincolnshire. St. John the Baptist, Stainton by Langworth, Lincolnshire. St. Edward, Barlings Lane, Barlings, Lincolnshire. St. Edward, Sudbrooke, Lincolnshire [Further away]. = [Moins/Moyns/Moynes]: Benjamin Mason m:1811 Messingham Rebecca Moins and had: Ann Mason b:1813 Newbold m:1835 Messingham William Proctor. = I think I am going to sit on MESSINGHAM and NEWBOLD=NEWBALL for now. Bart .... -----Original Message-----