https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VplQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA462&dq=Thomas+Mason+High+Street+Messingham&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkjLuljMXKAhWB1RoKHfQFBnEQ6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=Thomas%20Mason%20High%20Street%20Messingham&f=false I 'think' it is 1872 ?. I am also including some the names from the 'Witness' section from freereg pages I have viewed. I have also added a few 'other' names, but mainly for Proctor/Mason research. Crowle is a hot spot!, Ealand of note!. The [] are from Rex's book url. You can search the rest of the book. The list is not complete. ============================== Messingham: Mrs. Elizabeth Barley High Street James Barley, farmer (Mason & B.) John Bell, High Street John Foster, tailor and draper Thomas Foster, shoemaker, shopkeeper and draper, High Street William Foster, shoemaker Robert Harrison, farmer, Newstead Common; h. East Butterwick Thomas Hill, farmer, Common Walter Holland, chemist, High Street George Lockwood, carrier Henry Lockwood, tailor, High Street John Lockwood, boot and shoe maker Jonas Lockwood, farmer William Marshall, farmer William Marshall, jnr, joiner, wheelwright, contractor [Thomas Marshall] Mason & Barley, farmers, High Street* Francis Mason, cattle dealer and farmer (M. & Barley)* Francis Mason, farmer and beer retailer, High Street* William Mason, butcher* William Mason, grocer, draper, dyer's agent, High Street* Francis Middleton, joiner, wheelwright William Sleight [William Sleight, Ings] George Smith, baker, High Street Henry Wilson, farmer, Common Martin Wilson, farmer, Trent Ings [John Ellsome] [William Walker] [Charles Walker] [George Wilson] [Robert Stephenson] [Robert Wright] Any familiar name in High Street from records, you should be related to them!. I suspect 'Common' might be Messingham Common ?. These 'Ings' places are just down south of Messingham Common etc. ============================== West Butterwick: Edward Foster, tailor Jno. Richardson Lockwood, farmer Robert Lockwood, farmer James Markham, farmer, Kelfield James Markham, farmer, Yousters (M. & Temperton) Robert Markham, sexton Francis Mason, farmer, Kelfield George Mason, National schoolmaster William Mason, shoemaker Mrs. Mary Stephenson, victualler, Ferry Boat Joseph Temperton, farmer, victualler, Three Horse-shoes Joseph Temperton, farmer William Temperton, farmer Temperton: More... [1 Kelfield] [2 Yousters] Crowle (Near Epworth): [Pg.444-445]: William Atkinson, farmer, Ealand grange James Cowling, shopkeeper, draper, Eastoft John Cowling, farmer, flax dealer, Field side Thorpe Cowling, tailor, North Street Thomas Peart, victualler, White Hart, posting house, horse and gig, letter and potato merchant, High Street*** William Proctor, farmer, flax grower, North Street*** Mrs. Ann Proctor, High Street*** Thomas Proctor, farmer, flax grower, High Street*** George Stephenson, wholesale and retail grocer, draper, High Street and Cross Street George Walker, bricklayer, sexton, North Street James Walker, shopkeeper, farmer, coal dealer, High Street William Walker, omnibus proprietor, High Street James Wilson, corn miller, Stream mill, & flour dir., Cross Street James Wilson, farmer, North end John Wilson, carrier, High Street Miss Mary Harrison, dress maker, High street Miss Rebecca Harrison, dress maker, High Street Thomas Harrison, farmer, High Street Thomas Harrison, jnr, plumber, glazier, High Street Benjamin Hill, Ealand Farmers: William Atkinson, Ealand Grange William Proctor, North Street*** Thomas Proctor, High Street*** James Foster, Fieldside Peter Foster, Ealand Thomas Foster, Ealand John Mason, North Street*** Frederick Sales, Market Place George Sayles, Vicarage Walk John Sayles, The Grange John Sayles, jnr, Common side Jonathan Sales, Common side Robert Sayles, Common side James Walker, High Street Flax Merchants: John Cowling, Field side Thomas Foster, Ealand* William Lockwood, North end* George Mason, North Street* William Proctor, North Street* Thomas Proctor, High Street* John Sayles, jun., Common side Jonathan Sayles, Common side Thomas Sayles, Common side Epworth (Near Crowle): George Bell, farmer, High Street Joseph Bell, farmer, Chapel Street John Foster, pig killer, Carr side Miss Rebecca Foster, Belton Lane Richard Foster, butcher, Chapel Street [Richard Foster, butcher, Back Street] Robert Foster, farmer, High Street [Robert Foster, butcher, High Street] Thomas Lockwood, farmer, High Street [William Lockwood, farmer] Charles Hall, victualler, High Street Abraham Harrison, farmer, High Street Hill: All: Chapel and High Street John Marshall, farmer, High Street Thomas Marshall, farmer, High Street William Arthur Marshall, plumber, gasfitter, High Street John Mason, shoe maker, High Street* Croft: Joseph Atkinson, farmer, parish clerk Edwin Marshall, farmer Joseph Proctor, farmer* [Joseph Proctor butcher] John Riggall, farmer* Barlings: John Foster, coal dealer Nettleham: John Mason, shoe maker Frederick Charles Marshall, farmer George Priestley, beer house George Proctor, farmer William Proctor, thrashing machine proprietor =================== >From Rex's URL: Lincoln St. Peter at the Arches: Richard Mason, Atherton Place, Eastgate. William Holland Horncastle Hull: Wright Mason George Mason Horncastle: Joseph Lockwood Robert Lockwood William Jobson John Jobson East Butterwick: Joseph Lockwood George Lockwood Robert Harrison Pilham: Benjamin Lockwood, Pilham Carr John Harrison, Gilby-in-Pilham Scotter: John Atkinson, Thornton Curtis George Bell Thomas Burrell Thomas Burrell, jnr William Cooling William Foster Thomas Foster William Foster William Foster Thomas Hill Robert Hill William Hill, North Moor William Hill George Patchett Hill John Lockwood William Marris, Scotton William Slight Yaddlethorpe: Robert Lockwood Burringham: Thomas Lockwood William Markham Grainthorpe:*** John Peart farmer William Stephenson, Marshchapel, farmer John Peart farmer William Riggall farmer Hagworthingham: John Stephenson [There connections from around here to Healing near Wootton!]. South Killingholme: Joseph Jobson, Immingham, farmer Ormsby-cum-Ketsby: William Mason farmer Rigsby with Ailby: James Mason farmer Keddington: Richard Mason farmer Alford: Robert Mason ironmonger Broughton: William Mason Dalby with Dexthorpe: Francis Riggall Dexthorpe farmer Fishtoft: Martin Riggall farmer Barrow: George Mason farmer George Marris farmer Edward Peart fellmonger Driby: Christopher Mason farmer Beesby: Rev. Henry Payne Mason Bilsby: Rev. William Mason Healing: Thomas Mason, auctioneer Rev. William Wright Luddington (Near Crowle): George Bell Foster, farmer George Markham, beerhouse George Slight, shopkeeper Upton: Robert Proctor Heapham: George Proctor Laxton: Rev. R. Proctor ============================== Markham given here are probably for Philip Markham's (Denmark) ???. Bart. ==============================

Hi Rex That is really handy. I note that Stephens Messingham District is there under Brigg Polling District and Francis and a William Mason are the only ones in town on polling day in this one. this is really handy. I have book marked it. thanks for sending Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Rex via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: [LIN] General election 1852 Poll Book North Lincolnshire Browsing in Google Books recently I came across the following web page: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Lw4HAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Lincolnshire&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU9qOVyd3JAhUCthoKHd8fAGU4ChDoAQhCMAc#v=onepage&q=Lincolnshire&f=false This is long, so best copied in full, and pasted into your browser. Scroll down for lists of names in the North Lincolnshire villages to see where your families were living. Some villages were little more than hamlets, so check adjacent villages for missing families. Make sure you look at the end of each section to see the names of "Persons appearing on the Register, but not voting in this district". These "persons" were obviously absent from their home villages at the time of the voting - and in my case the absences explained 'gaps' found when I had made searches in registers. Etc.. Just sending on in case anyone interested. Rex ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bart, You will need to tell me what is was , chr, o rmarriage as I have wiped all my in, ou, and sent boxes, I like to keep them clear as I am on a lot of lists fir my families. I do remember earlier when I was searching the name Regall Rigall and variants as it was changing. That is the problem of not changing the Subject heading as you go along as you have to scroll through all the headings not applicable to the search. I am guilty as much as anyone. Let me know more, in the meantime I will try and find it. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hello: Edie, can you re-post the info on MASON-RIGGALL to me. I have these 3 people mentioned alongside each other 14-05-1841: [Thomas Mason John Foster Robert Riggall]. Bart. -----Original Message----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Option 1 is similar to Stephens contact which you would have now seen. I have. I sent it to Stephen. However William 1807 is he Contacts line, we will have to wait and see if it Stephens I havent asked him. What the contact says is the Thomas born 1780, who I have hopefully married to Elizabeth parents of William 1807 and Anne 1811. He apparently is the one who went to Canada. What we dont know as yet is did he go alone and marry whilst there or what? I have now given the contact Stephens email address with his permission. She is going to get in contact with me on her return away. I also have other contacts in the pipeline. Dont forget too Bart if you havent got access to the original film, there will be births marriages and deaths you havent seen on familysearch freereg or other transcribed websites. A lot of folk make happy families just from these websites, go cockeyed in to the distant past with some other persons family. But the Latter Day Saints do not transcribe every family member or all of the events in a family. freereg is ongoing, so not all as yet on it. Only the film will give events as they go along. Now that we have the contact of Stephens who says they have met the Canadian family Her 4th great grandfather being Thomas who married Winefred Jpson, Thomas parents was Daniel and Ann. Her third gt gf was William 1807, Stephen already knows that and he would have told you that by now. I hope he finds out everything he needs to know. I believe there are photographs, pedigree chart made from the reunion and so on. So I am not really needed nor you, I hope Stephen lets us know ! how he gets on. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hello: To finish an email I was writing. [Jopson, Jepson, Jobson]. =================================== 1 Daniel Mason bp:c.1740 m. Ann: 1 Thomas Mason bp:1780-87 m. Elizabeth: ^ 2 William Mason bp:18-11-1807 [!!!] 2 Benjamin Mason bp:01-01-1810 m. Elizabeth * 2 Ann Mason bp:25-12-1811 [!!!] 2 James Mason bp:17-11-1816

Browsing in Google Books recently I came across the following web page: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Lw4HAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Lincolnshire&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU9qOVyd3JAhUCthoKHd8fAGU4ChDoAQhCMAc#v=onepage&q=Lincolnshire&f=false This is long, so best copied in full, and pasted into your browser. Scroll down for lists of names in the North Lincolnshire villages to see where your families were living. Some villages were little more than hamlets, so check adjacent villages for missing families. Make sure you look at the end of each section to see the names of "Persons appearing on the Register, but not voting in this district". These "persons" were obviously absent from their home villages at the time of the voting - and in my case the absences explained 'gaps' found when I had made searches in registers. Etc.. Just sending on in case anyone interested. Rex

Hello: Edie, can you re-post the info on MASON-RIGGALL to me. I have these 3 people mentioned alongside each other 14-05-1841: [Thomas Mason John Foster Robert Riggall]. Bart. -----Original Message-----

Hello: To finish an email I was writing. [Jopson, Jepson, Jobson]. =================================== 1 Daniel Mason bp:c.1740 m. Ann: 2 Thomas Mason bp:15-11-1756 m. Winefred Jobson/Jopson: 3 Thomas Mason bp:19-03-1780 3 William Mason bp:20-06-1784 d:24-02-1786 3 William Mason bp:12-08-1787 m. Mary: 4 Thomas Mason bp:c.1813 4 Charles Mason bp:22-10-1815 4 William Mason bp:28-01-1818 m. Jane Burrell 4 Caroline Mason bp:14-08-1826 3 Francis Mason bp:30-05-1790 3 Mary Ann Mason bp:12-08-1792 2 James Mason bp:02-07-1758 d:17-07-1758 2 John Mason bp:21-07-1759 d:23-07-1759 2 John Mason bp:05-10-1760 2 James Mason bp:05-12-1762 2 William Mason bp:18-08-1765 d:01-01-1779 2 Benjamin Mason bp:10-10-1769 m. Ann OPTION 1: 1 Thomas Mason bp:1780-87 m. Elizabeth: ^ 2 William Mason bp:18-11-1807 [!!!] 2 Benjamin Mason bp:01-01-1810 m. Elizabeth * 2 Ann Mason bp:25-12-1811 [!!!] 2 James Mason bp:17-11-1816 OPTION 2: 1 Benjamin Mason bp:1780-90 m. Rebecca Moins: * 2 Ann Mason bp:30-04-1813 2 Elizabeth Mason bp:23-06-1815 d:23-05-1823 2 Solomon Mason bp:07-02-1820 d:19-05-1823 2 George Mason bp:14-03-1822 OPTION 3: OTHER: *Ann Mason [Newbold] bp:1813-17, 1837: Imm., m. William Proctor bp:1800-05 ?. =================================== Excel sheet: Elizabeth + Thomas are probably both named after Ann Mason's parents. AM is more consistent to be b:1815, and WP 1805. The son Thomas Proctor was completely consistent for the year b:1838 !!!. Tells me Thomas knew when he was born, his parents did not!. The difference in years between their calc. b. year decreases from 15-10 years. ================================== WP AM Ship List 1837 23 1814 1851C 1851 50 1801 35 1816 15 1861C 1861 58 1803 44 1817 14 1871C 1871 66 1805 55 1816 11 1881C 1881 76 1805 66 1815 10 Death 1901 86 1815 1803.5 1815.5 ================================= William Mason 1807 and Ann Mason 1811 are brother and sister. Bart [!!!] .... -----Original Message-----

The contact has the William Mason chr 18 Nov 1807, Messingham, Bart so maybe she also knows where the marriage of the parents took place. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham hi Bart, I have found an even better Thomas and Elizabeth as parents for Ann Mason. I was wondering about the Williams related to the contact although I beleive it is the earlier William born to Daniel and Ann. Benjamin and Thomas, each geneartion. On free reg, I found a William Mason chr to Thomas and Elizabeth Mason on the 18 November 1807 at Messingham, now this same Thomas and Elizabeth would be a much better set of parents for Ann Mason as well, but the marriage is not showing in Messingham for this Thomas and Elizabeth even though they are christening children there. There is no surname for Elizabeth at the chr at William 1807 and I think it is the same for Ann, so it is going to be harder to find the marriage, so will have to depend on these contacts to see if they can help out her.

hi Bart, I have found an even better Thomas and Elizabeth as parents for Ann Mason. I was wondering about the Williams related to the contact although I beleive it is the earlier William born to Daniel and Ann. Benjamin and Thomas, each geneartion. On free reg, I found a William Mason chr to Thomas and Elizabeth Mason on the 18 November 1807 at Messingham, now this same Thomas and Elizabeth would be a much better set of parents for Ann Mason as well, but the marriage is not showing in Messingham for this Thomas and Elizabeth even though they are christening children there. There is no surname for Elizabeth at the chr at William 1807 and I think it is the same for Ann, so it is going to be harder to find the marriage, so will have to depend on these contacts to see if they can help out her. I was thinking that Great Hale seemed so far away from Messingham until I found this chr for William 18th November 1807 at Messingham. Would need to be a couple of births in between him and Ann, I would think. I am going to go back to see if this 1807 William shows up. I think he did on familysearch. Edie You say there are gaps not on t Familysearch, the IGI fiche yes that has always been the case Bart. That is why it is best to get the film out. Depends on whether Stephen is close to the Family History Library. Someone may take a look for him. ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hello: The question 'Where is 'Newbould' was an excellent question!. As you would have noticed in Messingham, the gaps in records there, there is a substantial movement of many individual people going here and there etc. I will say, it is still quite possible that Ann Mason was even b. and bp. in 'Newbold'. Stephen would need the time to get to those churches and records and see if there is something there waiting for him. On the other hand, if Ann Mason were bp 1811 or 1813 in Messingham, you would not find the bp cert in 'Newbold' ?. I have truly learnt a huge amount by looking at this tree. There are some other things I need time to put out. Cheers - Bart [!!!] .... -----Original Message----- I am bailing out and leaving this line of enquiry to Stephen, as I have a gut feeling it is correct. I told her it is driving us mad trying to figure it out!. ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes it was also the original question, but one thing leads to another in genealogy Bart. Did Stephen show you the information from the contact as she is descended from William the brother of Thomas and Benjamin. I cannot see a Newbold, but I am sure the contact will put Stephen right when she gets back. She is family and she has met the Canadian family and they have reunions. it is to be seen if she is Stephens line but this is the one family in Messingham over about three generations going back as far as 1724. It is up to Stephen and the contact to be in touch since they are both on the same family albeit different lines. We have actually jumped over the birth place of Ann now Bart and it really isnt even needed. But They will find out if needed. As I said they and the other contacts when they are in touch can thrash it out now. I was born in England by the way, I like helping people and many have helped me. I am looking forward to seeing what Stephen learns from t! he contact.. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hello: The question 'Where is 'Newbould' was an excellent question!. I have never been to England and unrelated to Mason/Proctor so far. [What was the place of birth for Ann Mason b.c.1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham]: The place of birth for Ann Mason is 'Newbold' in England, and for William Proctor is unknown but in England. ""IF"" Ann Mason was bp in Messingham, the 2 current options are bp:1813 or bp:1811. I agree on that much, so far. We also need to include the 3rd option being 'Other'. Neither Ann nor William have so far been born in Messingham. It is unproved, no 2nd line of fact yet to say it is so. The genealogy you have looked at is assumed, since if that person knew those dates correctly, they would have added the parents for both Ann + William. They don't, that is missing. Like a Boeing disaster, there is a series of problems keeping this plane down. "We are going to land on the Newbold". As you would have noticed in Messingham, the gaps in records there, there is a substantial movement of many individual people going here and there etc. I will say, it is still quite possible that Ann Mason was even b. and bp. in 'Newbold'. Stephen would need the time to get to those churches and records and see if there is something there waiting for him. On the other hand, if Ann Mason were bp 1811 or 1813 in Messingham, you would not find the bp cert in 'Newbold' ?. I have truly learnt a huge amount by looking at this tree. There are some other things I need time to put out. Cheers - Bart [!!!] .... -----Original Message----- I am bailing out and leaving this line of enquiry to Stephen, as I have a gut feeling it is correct. I told her it is driving us mad trying to figure it out!. ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi One more thing Stephen, Bart or anyone related to the above. If it were me, I would go straight for the jugular and get the film out as very often there are details on the film you will not find anywhere else. It often gives the birth date and place in the left hand column and quite often folk follow a line they see in an index without looking to see if that person could have died as an infant. The film shows all of that. I know of such a person who I have told is followiing a peson who I found had died three months after his baptism, that person has folowed that deceased babies line back to 800 ad. So you see the film is very important after all you cannot get more of an original record. Yes there is sometimes a clerical error but for the most part they are the best. Ihave noted the Bishops transcripts film from Latter Day Saints for Messingham as follows Bapt, Marr, Burials 1599-1812 Film number 504575 item 1 Bapt, Marr, Burials 1813-1839 Film number 508017 item 3 The cost of ordering in the film to be readat your nearest Family History Centre for Latter Day saints is https://familysearch.org/films/lookup/products/view/film/504575/ Society of Genealogist in London have Messingham between 1599-1885 Edie

Yes I have found that as well Bart. I have been in touch with this lady on genes and I am trying to persuade her to sub briefly to Eng-Lincsgen so we can try and find out where the place of birth on the shipping records is. I told her it is driving us mad trying to figure it out. Fingers crossed. It still could go either way, whether Benjamin or Thomas as father of Ann since they brothers. Ann may have been very fond of Uncle Thomas and Aunt Elizabeth. Time will tell. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hello: Sorry for any delay, but can only go so fast with time available. In every record so far, Ann Mason stated England as country of birth. Bart. -----Original Message----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bart and all who have helped Stephen. I think I have a living relation for Stephen. I have already replied and sent him the information from the lady concerned she is a 4th great grandchild of Thomas Mason and .Winefred Jopson. I will leave the rest fror Stephen to give you his thoughts about. As it looks if this is correct, both Bart and myself have been working on the same family but brothers Benjamin and Thomas both sons of Daniel and Ann mason. Both chr daughters Ann with ia couple of years. My contact is not sure of one of the wives so it will be interested to see what comes of that. Now this lady does tell me that the Thomas who married Winefred immigrated to Canada and later generations followed. Which could give rise to Ann being born in Newfoundland, I have asked about that Newfoulds. Anyway we have yet to see if all correct. I do hope so as at this point, I am bailing out and leaving this line of enquiry to Stephen, as I have a gut feeling it is correct. I think that genesreunited is a very good little subscrition as it gives a range of possible living relatives and most are very helpful and reply, some quite late on, but I have had a lot of success with it, if anyone is looking for a good sub, not as expensive as some regards Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Bart, Did you not see my message with the baptism of a Ann Mason to Thomas and Elizabeth, 25 December 1811.. Batch number C030202, serial number 3505. I am sure this Thomas was brother to the Benjamin who married Rebecca. They both baptised a daughter Ann at different times. Both baptised a child in 1815. It is only on fiche, so if you can view the 1992 collection of fiche for England you will see this entry. I wasnt expecting to find it, I was actually looking for the Newfould in Lincolnshire when I came across this entry for Thomas and Elizabeth. Since then Anne cole has confirmed the Elizabeth Dter is Elizabeth Dexter,who married thomas Mason at Great Hale, Lincolnshire. Great hale is not onthe AA New book of the Road, but it is described on the net. I am sure the image can be obtained from Salt Lake City or the film of Messingham, may have a copy of the film. Edie

Hello: The question 'Where is 'Newbould' was an excellent question!. I have never been to England and unrelated to Mason/Proctor so far. [What was the place of birth for Ann Mason b.c.1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham]: The place of birth for Ann Mason is 'Newbold' in England, and for William Proctor is unknown but in England. ""IF"" Ann Mason was bp in Messingham, the 2 current options are bp:1813 or bp:1811. I agree on that much, so far. We also need to include the 3rd option being 'Other'. Neither Ann nor William have so far been born in Messingham. It is unproved, no 2nd line of fact yet to say it is so. The genealogy you have looked at is assumed, since if that person knew those dates correctly, they would have added the parents for both Ann + William. They don't, that is missing. Like a Boeing disaster, there is a series of problems keeping this plane down. "We are going to land on the Newbold". As you would have noticed in Messingham, the gaps in records there, there is a substantial movement of many individual people going here and there etc. I will say, it is still quite possible that Ann Mason was even b. and bp. in 'Newbold'. Stephen would need the time to get to those churches and records and see if there is something there waiting for him. On the other hand, if Ann Mason were bp 1811 or 1813 in Messingham, you would not find the bp cert in 'Newbold' ?. I have truly learnt a huge amount by looking at this tree. There are some other things I need time to put out. Cheers - Bart [!!!] .... -----Original Message----- I am bailing out and leaving this line of enquiry to Stephen, as I have a gut feeling it is correct. I told her it is driving us mad trying to figure it out!. ------------------------------------------

Hello: Sorry for any delay, but can only go so fast with time available. In every record so far, Ann Mason stated England as country of birth. Bart. -----Original Message-----

Bart, Did you not see my message with the baptism of a Ann Mason to Thomas and Elizabeth, 25 December 1811.. Batch number C030202, serial number 3505. I am sure this Thomas was brother to the Benjamin who married Rebecca. They both baptised a daughter Ann at different times. Both baptised a child in 1815. It is only on fiche, so if you can view the 1992 collection of fiche for England you will see this entry. I wasnt expecting to find it, I was actually looking for the Newfould in Lincolnshire when I came across this entry for Thomas and Elizabeth. Since then Anne cole has confirmed the Elizabeth Dter is Elizabeth Dexter,who married thomas Mason at Great Hale, Lincolnshire. Great hale is not onthe AA New book of the Road, but it is described on the net. I am sure the image can be obtained from Salt Lake City or the film of Messingham, may have a copy of the film. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae80e93790332e7d4007?search_id=56a26ed2f4040b2da90009d7 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.5281/-0.7021 http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510aea1e93790332e7d6d8f?search_id=56a277e7f4040b2da9000a8e 1835: William Proctor is living at Messingham Common: Zoomed in at the [200m level] you should be able to see Messingham Common. If you follow the purple dotted line, you can basically get the outline of this area here, covering Sand House Farm, Hollywood Farm, etc. Still on the [200m level] go SW till you see Scotterthorpe which NW of Scotter. So these two farm land area are basically adjacent to each other, and in Scotterthorpe you will find 'I think' Thomas Cooling Moins bp:1822 chilling out there etc. If you use Google Maps Earth View, you can probably see which house William Proctor might have lived in or so in Messingham Common etc. Then on the m. record, please correct me if I am missing something here: This is the m:1835 !!! !!! !!! 1835 !!! !!! !!! for Ann Mason to William Proctor in Messingham, which is fine!.

I think my emails may be bouncing Anne. i hadnt thought of the pregnant reason, but did know there were reasons other than gentry, for folk getting married by license. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> To: eamca@bigpond.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: RE: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham I didn't look on FMP, I looked on the LFHS Marriage Bonds & Allegations CD. There were many reasons for marrying by licence and it should not be assumed that only rich people did so. Sometimes overseers of the poor arranged licences for unmarried couples who were imminently expecting an offspring. I remember a letter from a father with one of the bonds/allegations whilst I was indexing them. It was obvious from the letter that the marriage was taking place in haste as his daughter was pregnant! Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eamca via Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 1:24 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; duncalf@one-name.org Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham I couldnt find it on lincs to the past Anne,you must have to subscribe. I am on genes aswell and have found some folk researching in Messingham and I am trying for Elizabeth Dexter. I actually did see someone looking for Elizabeth Dexter in York, Ontario, Canada but she was only aged ten. Found another in the right time frame in Lincoln but not Great hale though. This marriage in Great hale was by license I thought that was usually if the person was under age or in the services or gentry etc. 10 was too young anyone I would l think I know at that time until 1929 girls of 12 and boys of 14 were able to marry with parental consent, but 10 would be too young, so I have dismissed that one. Waiting for replies. did tell them it was for someone on lincsgen in the hopes they may subscribe and be in touch with Stephen direct. Thomas himself seems to have been chr at Messingham to Daniel and Ann and that family go back to 1724, then nothing before. If in fact it is all correct. At least there is a good chance that it is with parents Thomas and Elizabeth for Ann to have named children same names. Edie ------------------------------------------

I couldnt find it on lincs to the past Anne,you must have to subscribe. I am on genes aswell and have found some folk researching in Messingham and I am trying for Elizabeth Dexter. I actually did see someone looking for Elizabeth Dexter in York, Ontario, Canada but she was only aged ten. Found another in the right time frame in Lincoln but not Great hale though. This marriage in Great hale was by license I thought that was usually if the person was under age or in the services or gentry etc. 10 was too young anyone I would l think I know at that time until 1929 girls of 12 and boys of 14 were able to marry with parental consent, but 10 would be too young, so I have dismissed that one. Waiting for replies. did tell them it was for someone on lincsgen in the hopes they may subscribe and be in touch with Stephen direct. Thomas himself seems to have been chr at Messingham to Daniel and Ann and that family go back to 1724, then nothing before. If in fact it is all correct. At least there is a good chance that it is with parents Thomas and Elizabeth for Ann to have named children same names. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> To: eamca@bigpond.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: RE: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham The bond and allegation have survived (this is also on FMP). Both were "of Great Hale", but they only need to have resided there a short time to be of that parish. Ages given as 21 so the allegation probably says "over 21 years or age or something similar. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk

I am glad you put that Anne,as I found her entry on findmypast five minutes ago and tried to look for her Christening. Think I found one on familysearch at Dunsby near Bourne. It may not be her chr. The marriage was by license. this is apossibleentry for her chri https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AElizabeth~%20%2Bsurname%3ADexter~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1790-1798~%20%2Bgender%3AF&collection_id=1473014 Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> To: eamca@bigpond.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: RE: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham The LFHS marriage Index (volume 2) gives the bride's name as Elizabeth DEXTER. Checked the marriage on Links to the Past and it is indeed DEXTER. There is a Dexter One Name Study. May be useful to contact him via the GOONS website http://one-name.org/ Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eamca via Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:34 AM To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Right that is it. I have tried to fo the right thing and just give url. This is the detail Elizabeth DTER Thos Mason widower, marriage 2 June 1808, Great Hale (St John the Baptist (unspecified) The rest of the detail,you can go in and see. That surname is strange. Since this marriage took place in 1808 it is possible that they were over seas a little later and did give birth to Ann over there and have come back maybe the wife has come back for Thomas family christened Ann while over there in EWngland and then has gone back to her husband Thomas. Later having Thoms the son. Maybe Thomas already had childre in England and took Ann to meet them. More work for you. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Sorry it wasnt letting me put the Url for the details, so this is the few marriages, it i the top one. the surname of the mother isnt clear seems a funny name, but maybe not complete. Great Hale, Baptist is what you are looking for. Edie www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae 133045b16be00050c ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11465 - Release Date: 01/23/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11465 - Release Date: 01/23/16

Right that is it. I have tried to fo the right thing and just give url. This is the detail Elizabeth DTER Thos Mason widower, marriage 2 June 1808, Great Hale (St John the Baptist (unspecified) The rest of the detail,you can go in and see. That surname is strange. Since this marriage took place in 1808 it is possible that they were over seas a little later and did give birth to Ann over there and have come back maybe the wife has come back for Thomas family christened Ann while over there in EWngland and then has gone back to her husband Thomas. Later having Thoms the son. Maybe Thomas already had childre in England and took Ann to meet them. More work for you. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca@bigpond.com To: stephe.w300@gmail.com; thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; eamca@bigpond.com; Subject: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, possible christening 25 Dec 1811 Messingham, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Sorry it wasnt letting me put the Url for the details, so this is the few marriages, it i the top one. the surname of the mother isnt clear seems a funny name, but maybe not complete. Great Hale, Baptist is what you are looking for. Edie www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510ae9fe93790332e7d695e?search_id=56a34ae133045b16be00050c