Marriages for Hannah Memorial are in the post 1837 marriage index from 1899, there were no earlier marriage registers at Lincolnshire Archives so it is necessary to order the marriage certificate to get the details. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Denny Lowe via Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 12:52 AM To: Margaret; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] MARY ANN COLLISHAW- Lincolnshire On 26 Jan 2016, at 2:49 PM, Margaret via wrote: > [...] I have a Mary Ann Collishaw who married Thomas Edenbrow on > 11^th Feb > 1883 at the Hannah Memorial Church at Lincoln. I have her birth date > as 15^th June 1863 and on the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses she says > that she was born in Kirkby Green, Lincolnshire. However the only > possible Mary Ann Collishaw I can find on previous censuses in > Lincolnshire is the daughter of John and Ann and it is stated that she > was born in Waddington, Lincolnshire. In 1871 Mary Ann, age 7, is in Kirkby Green with her parents John and Ann, and older siblings. See RG10 / 3348 folio 33. Hannah Memorial is, according to Google, a Methodist church. I see that Lincolnshire Archives do list records for this church, but they do not seem to be on-line Sorry, no linkage to his family in my research ... just did a bit of digging out of curiosity. > [...] Margaret Hartshorn Denny Lowe, Perth Ontario. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11495 - Release Date: 01/27/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11495 - Release Date: 01/27/16

Sitting here in Messingham I have enjoyed following all the suggested county and town names mentioned as possible places of origin of members of the Mason family (and other families). On the face of it, some of the out of County places have sounded unlikely, but experience tells me that they have all been possibles. Messingham sits on a limestone ridge which runs from the middle of Lincoln where the Cathedral stands, north to dip down at Winteringam and the banks of the River Humber. Messingham residents in the older part of the village look down into the valley of the River Trent - a couple of miles away, but Messingham had a thriving landing there in the 1700s and 1800s. Rivers and canals were the main highways then for moving goods around - only losing out when the railways got going in the mid 1850s. So, go from Messingham landing south, and you reach Gainsborough, and the River Trent continues to take you to Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, Burton on Trent, Leicestershire, etc.. Go from Keadby by canal to Doncaster, Sheffield or Barnsley. Go north from the landing out into the River Humber to go up major river systems into Yorkshire, or out of the Humber into the North Sea round to Boston and Norfolk. Then get back to Lincoln up the River Witham and the Torksey Canal back to the Trent and home to Messingham. My Main Messingham maternal family made trips around these waterways constantly. I have found marriages in Norfolk, Sheffield, Derbyshire, Bradford, Beverley, Hull, North ferriby, Newcastle etc.. I started this game many years ago, thinking my Messingham people would have been in the village for ever. I could not have been more wrong. Years ago I emailed the List about waterway routes around North Lincolnshire. Those routes will still be there in List archives. I have two small sketch maps on file - one covers Lincolnshire waterways and shipping routes, the other covers ways from Lincolnshire (on waterways) into other county areas. These are relatively small files - one over 200 kb, one over 300 kb. If anyone wants a copy of one or the other or both, email me direct, and I can post them as email attachments. Good Hunting, Rex

Bart, I am not arguing with you about Newbald, but I still dont think it is etched in stone as yet. There are two vowels, before the l d or whatever that is, looks like the d in child so I am happy with that. I am reasonably happy with New, not happy completely with the b as it looks very undernourished to be b, but might be. What I have been trying to do, while you have been looking for the Newbalds about the place, is looking for the first child born to Thomas and Elizabeth who ended up in Messingham. Then for the marriage of that couple, who do not appear to have been married in Messingham but both have died there and the ages at death match with other records. So far like you I have been thrashing things out, I have found this Burton Upon Trent couple to be my best bet, it doesnt have to be your best bet, neither of us may ever be right. I do know that the groom had the same occupation as Thomas in the 1851 census of Messingham and Thomas in 1851 had been a widower for! at least two census and probably more, that would work in with losing his young 38/39 year old wife in Messingham, in childbirth in 1821. I think I have covered all the angles I wanted to as above. Both had been in the Parish just enough time to be of this parish a few weeks. His father was Thomas, she had no parents. But some people were named on her behalf and I think one of those was a Turner! i seem to remember you saying something about a Turner being in the district of Messingham. I could be wrong. I was wondering if you have checked the parents of Jopson Mason as we do not know if the Thomas mason who married Elizabeth Harrison in Staffordshire had any children and it is possible that one of his children would have to be before 1826 as he died 25 years old. They may have named one of their children after their grandparents Thomas mason and Winefred Jopson, Then again in these little country towns, same over here brothers married sisters so there could be a lot of Jopson/Mason combinations. In the time slot we have been working in, Say late 1700s early 1800 there were only 1110 in the population, so most of the Masons would have been related, not all would have lived in the parish of marriage or christenings, I think it may have been farming district so there would be a lot of coming and going of the men looking for work in their field of occupation. Could be Thomas had moved away looking for work when he had met his bride. I certainly wouldn't dismiss the fact that the1842 child in Yorkshire may be connected to this Messingham lot in some way, but I have lost track of how many times, I have thought someone with a strange name had to be a goer as there wouldn't be many of them, then have done a search only to find there are dozens of them. I am sure others would have found that. That was a good find though Bart. Now Cheers as a farewell, yes over here it is used a fair bit, but I heard it a lot when living in England and I think it maybe started there. I like it as a expression of farewell but don't really use it myself at 72 almost, I am too old to start with new expressions. A couple of things I have learnt along the way by those more in the know than me, is that you should have two records for the same event and you should always check the originals. Without doing either you can go up the creek very fast and end up in woop woop! Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Distance between Messingham and Derbyshire then and nowand distance between Kingston Upon Hull Hello: So far I accept Messingham as the place of birth for Ann Mason's dg Elizabeth. So far I accept that Ann Mason is the one who married William Proctor in Messingham. Ann Mason 'clearly' stated where she was born. It is not Messingham.

Yikes, Peter. I Hope this ends well. L Hi all, Lincolnshire County Council has, one day ago, been hit with a serious attack on their I T system caused by an infected e mail . They reacted very quick and shut the system down resulting in loss of e mail use in and out and within LCC. Lincolnshire Archives is part of LCC and Lincs to the Past is under Archives control. LCC sent many people home due to this problem and yesterday were using only telephones within organisation. According to local radio they are testing the fix. The possible infection could have wiped out all their files according to local news. Hope that helps. Peter

I have been following this thread with interest although I have no connection (yet? was a William Atkinson mentioned earlier or was that another enquiry?). I agree that you must have a few connections before accepting just the one as possible gospel. That happened to me in my early days of research and I shot of in a number of directions. Although not in the Concise Oxford Dictionary ''Cheers'' is commonly used certainly in NE England and is an alternative for ''cheerio'', which is in the dictionary. Cheerio:- Brit. colloq. expressing good wishes on parting and archaic before drinking (in particular alcohol). Cheers/ Cheerio Peter Newcastle upon Tyne ======================================== Message Received: Jan 27 2016, 04:28 AM From: "eamca via" To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za, eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Distance between Messingham and Derbyshire then and nowand distance between Kingston Upon Hull Bart, I am not arguing with you about Newbald, but I still dont think it is etched in stone as yet. There are two vowels, before the l d or whatever that is, looks like the d in child so I am happy with that. I am reasonably happy with New, not happy completely with the b as it looks very undernourished to be b, but might be. What I have been trying to do, while you have been looking for the Newbalds about the place, is looking for the first child born to Thomas and Elizabeth who ended up in Messingham. Then for the marriage of that couple, who do not appear to have been married in Messingham but both have died there and the ages at death match with other records. So far like you I have been thrashing things out, I have found this Burton Upon Trent couple to be my best bet, it doesnt have to be your best bet, neither of us may ever be right. I do know that the groom had the same occupation as Thomas in the 1851 census of Messingham and Thomas in 1851 had been a widower for! at least two census and probably more, that would work in with losing his young 38/39 year old wife in Messingham, in childbirth in 1821. I think I have covered all the angles I wanted to as above. Both had been in the Parish just enough time to be of this parish a few weeks. His father was Thomas, she had no parents. But some people were named on her behalf and I think one of those was a Turner! i seem to remember you saying something about a Turner being in the district of Messingham. I could be wrong. I was wondering if you have checked the parents of Jopson Mason as we do not know if the Thomas mason who married Elizabeth Harrison in Staffordshire had any children and it is possible that one of his children would have to be before 1826 as he died 25 years old. They may have named one of their children after their grandparents Thomas mason and Winefred Jopson, Then again in these little country towns, same over here brothers married sisters so there could be a lot of Jopson/Mason combinations. In the time slot we have been working in, Say late 1700s early 1800 there were only 1110 in the population, so most of the Masons would have been related, not all would have lived in the parish of marriage or christenings, I think it may have been farming district so there would be a lot of coming and going of the men looking for work in their field of occupation. Could be Thomas had moved away looking for work when he had met his bride. I certainly wouldn't dismiss the fact that the1842 child in Yorkshire may be connected to this Messingham lot in some way, but I have lost track of how many times, I have thought someone with a strange name had to be a goer as there wouldn't be many of them, then have done a search only to find there are dozens of them. I am sure others would have found that. That was a good find though Bart. Now Cheers as a farewell, yes over here it is used a fair bit, but I heard it a lot when living in England and I think it maybe started there. I like it as a expression of farewell but don't really use it myself at 72 almost, I am too old to start with new expressions. A couple of things I have learnt along the way by those more in the know than me, is that you should have two records for the same event and you should always check the originals. Without doing either you can go up the creek very fast and end up in woop woop! Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Distance between Messingham and Derbyshire then and nowand distance between Kingston Upon Hull Hello: So far I accept Messingham as the place of birth for Ann Mason's dg Elizabeth. So far I accept that Ann Mason is the one who married William Proctor in Messingham. Ann Mason 'clearly' stated where she was born. It is not Messingham. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bart, but for your interest. I have the National Burial Index and the only Elizabeth matching the age of the wife of Thomas is the only wife matching the age of Thomas wife buried in Messingham is a marriage in Burton Upon Stafford. I have seen the images of the originals and the ages matching both of the couple in Messingham and they have bap a child in 1801 marriage 1800. May not be them but they are the best match. I did a world search on Thomas and Elizabeth combinations and the same with a child Thomas with parents and Elizabeth and it kept coming back to this couple. this couple were miinors aged 19 matching both Elizabeth who died in child birth wife of Thomas. The father Thomas of Francis Ann etc etc was born 1780/1 of Thomas and Winefred Mason nee Jopson the couple at Stafford are both the same age . born 1781. Not born in the Parish. there is a p;ossibility for the Ann Mason birth that they could have been at her grandparents in Naewbald if they were there ealier but it would seem they would have been closer to Messingham by then because chr weretaking place by thomas and Elizabeth by the date of 1842. Cheers to you too! Edie Anyway I have gone as far as I intend now. ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] WHERE IS NEWFOULD? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:75MB-ZZM : Jepson Mason b:1842 Parish: North Newbald. Cheers ? Bart [!!!] .... ============================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret On the 1881 census a Mary COLLISHAW, age 18, born in Kirby Green, is living in Scopwick and working as a kitchen maid. Ref RG 11 Piece 3221 Folio 108 Page 3. Sorry can't help with baptism or marriage. Barbara

Hello: So far I accept Messingham as the place of birth for Ann Mason's dg Elizabeth. So far I accept that Ann Mason is the one who married William Proctor in Messingham. Ann Mason 'clearly' stated where she was born. It is not Messingham. So we need find 'NEWBXLD'. The problem with [Newbold, Chesterfield, Derbyshire] is that it is a suburb more than that of a town, it is an option. I want more of a TOWN name at this point in time. Newbald Yorks is much what we are looking for!. [Josephine + Alan]: [Newbald near Beverley East Yorkshire]: Thank you!. Yes, I am going to accept 'NEWBALD' as a possibility. I do not think the word is Newland. === NEWBXLD: 1. Newbald, near Beverley, East Yorkshire (N+S). 2. Newbold, Chesterfield, Derbyshire. [x]. 3. Newbold (Newball), near Langworth. [x]. === We need to stay in Messingham to understand it, but we must leave it to find Ann Mason born in NEWBXLD. I believe what she told us in 1837. On the 13th of May 1837, at the Port of New York, on the British Ship 'Wolga', (Mrs.) Ann Proctor rocked up and spoke to the chap at the log book who wanted some details from her. My name is (Mrs.) Ann Proctor, I'm 23 years old, born in Newbald. My daughter Elizabeth was born in Messingham, she is 1 year old. He scribbled it all down. Her dg was actually 1y old!. We need to make good note of the 'Witness' and 'Abode' sections in these records. Yorkshire is highly possible. [13-05-1837]: Elizabeth Mason b:13-12-1835 was recorded as being 1y in 13-05-1837, in fact she was precisely 17 months old to the day. No apparent family member for either William or Ann signed the Witness record. That is strange. Have both of their parents died ?. The word 'Cheers' I got from my father from my youth, but he would also end off most letters with 'Cheers - Dad'. It is a friendly word used to end off a letter. It is not a word you hear at all here now. It is a common term I also use to sign off any email myself. The word does not singularly mean 'Good-bye'. I have simply 'signed off' like I do for any other email I have ever written. Edie: I need some time to answer further. There are second marriages coming in. Ann Procter said we must go to NEWBALD/NEWBOLD. I believe her. Cheers - Bart [!!!] .... -----Original Message-----

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:75MB-ZZM : Jepson Mason b:1842 Parish: North Newbald. Cheers – Bart [!!!] .... =============================

Thanks Jo. You never know. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Josephine Perkins <scunnybunny1@btinternet.com> To: eamca@bigpond.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Distance between Messingham and Derbyshire then and now and distance between Kingston Upon Hull Sorry I haven't been following all this thread, and it may have already been mentioned. There is a Newbald near Beverley in East Yorkshire, very near Hull. Jo On 26 Jan 2016, at 03:57, eamca via wrote: > It gets you in doesn't it Bart. I said I wouldnt work at it but it is like an addiction. I have looked at marriages from Thomas being aged 14, born 1780 the youngest age for males with parental consent that was 1794 up until after the birth of first child 1802, so I looked past that date tmost visible to my eye as it is quite a large place is kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire across the River not far from Messingham. There may be somewhere in the list of Marriages in England, not just lincolnshire I noted only on familysearch though, so may not be complete, that took place in between Messingham and Kingston. considering the distance between the Newbold in Derbyshire and the other Newbold they are as good as one another. Those two vowels are still getting to me. I m sure one of those Canadian contacts should surely know, but we know Stephen hasnt found that out yet.I took a look at the distance between Messingham and Kingston Upon Hull and these days it is between 28 and ! > 30.1 miles by road and in a straight line 18 miles. I guess themode of transport in those days wa shorse and cart or canal boat and could have been the shorter route as there wouldnt have been the built up areas to get around like now. there I took a look at Derbyshire for Newboad and it is a larger distance now 55.8 miles, it never gave me a straight line like the other. > > I will send you and Stephen the marriages to your email addy. > Edie > > > ------------------------------------------ > From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; > Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/53.2535/-1.4383 : Surnames: Foster - > Bell - Walker - Wright : These are some of the surnames I used in my last > 1872 post. Foster from Messingham is also up in Yorks too. There another > Newbold, but I don't think that is it. > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/eng-lincsgen/2016-01/1453246186 > Bart .... > -----Original Message----- > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 26 Jan 2016, at 2:49 PM, Margaret via wrote: > [...] I have a Mary Ann Collishaw who married Thomas Edenbrow on 11^th Feb > 1883 at the Hannah Memorial Church at Lincoln. I have her birth date as > 15^th June 1863 and on the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses she says that > she was born in Kirkby Green, Lincolnshire. However the only possible > Mary Ann Collishaw I can find on previous censuses in Lincolnshire is > the daughter of John and Ann and it is stated that she was born in > Waddington, Lincolnshire. In 1871 Mary Ann, age 7, is in Kirkby Green with her parents John and Ann, and older siblings. See RG10 / 3348 folio 33. Hannah Memorial is, according to Google, a Methodist church. I see that Lincolnshire Archives do list records for this church, but they do not seem to be on-line Sorry, no linkage to his family in my research ... just did a bit of digging out of curiosity. > [...] Margaret Hartshorn Denny Lowe, Perth Ontario.

I am doing some family history research for a friend and am wondering if there is anyone on this list who can help me. I have a Mary Ann Collishaw who married Thomas Edenbrow on 11^th Feb 1883 at the Hannah Memorial Church at Lincoln. I have her birth date as 15^th June 1863 and on the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses she says that she was born in Kirkby Green, Lincolnshire. However the only possible Mary Ann Collishaw I can find on previous censuses in Lincolnshire is the daughter of John and Ann and it is stated that she was born in Waddington, Lincolnshire. Does anyone know where I could find either the details of the marriage in Lincoln or the baptism in either Kirkby Green or Waddington as this seems to be the only way I can find out if this is the same Mary Ann Collishaw. I do hope that someone is able to help as I have been struggling with this for a while now Best Wishes Margaret Hartshorn

It gets you in doesn't it Bart. I said I wouldnt work at it but it is like an addiction. I have looked at marriages from Thomas being aged 14, born 1780 the youngest age for males with parental consent that was 1794 up until after the birth of first child 1802, so I looked past that date tmost visible to my eye as it is quite a large place is kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire across the River not far from Messingham. There may be somewhere in the list of Marriages in England, not just lincolnshire I noted only on familysearch though, so may not be complete, that took place in between Messingham and Kingston. considering the distance between the Newbold in Derbyshire and the other Newbold they are as good as one another. Those two vowels are still getting to me. I m sure one of those Canadian contacts should surely know, but we know Stephen hasnt found that out yet.I took a look at the distance between Messingham and Kingston Upon Hull and these days it is between 28 and ! 30.1 miles by road and in a straight line 18 miles. I guess themode of transport in those days wa shorse and cart or canal boat and could have been the shorter route as there wouldnt have been the built up areas to get around like now. there I took a look at Derbyshire for Newboad and it is a larger distance now 55.8 miles, it never gave me a straight line like the other. I will send you and Stephen the marriages to your email addy. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/53.2535/-1.4383 : Surnames: Foster - Bell - Walker - Wright : These are some of the surnames I used in my last 1872 post. Foster from Messingham is also up in Yorks too. There another Newbold, but I don't think that is it. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/eng-lincsgen/2016-01/1453246186 Bart .... -----Original Message----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looked in chesterfield for Newbould, but it is Newbold. There are two vowels either a and u, or o and u before the L on the shipping list, so I have a worry with that, but nice and close and still very possible. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] General election 1852 Poll Book North Lincolnshire Hi Bart , While here, You may be right about Newbould being the place of birth for Ann, as our contact on genes has told me this morning there is a Newbould in Chesterfield, very close to Lincoln. havent searched to see if in Lincoln it doesnt show up in Genuki as being in Lincoln, so that is worth going into. Just in case it is correct. maybe just a coincidence but it seems a good chance it is right. So Chesterfield. The Thomas in the 1851 census was a Butcher so he may have been in that area.We havent got a place for the Elizabeth who married Thomas the mother of his children chr in Messingham, so could be her parish as well and maybe the marriage could show up there.

Hi Bart , Always good to read about the areas as yu can get some ideas. Genuki site is also a very good webiste to find out all sorts of things about Parishes http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Messingham/ While here, You may be right about Newbould being the place of birth for Ann, as our contact on genes has told me this morning there is a Newbould in Chesterfield, very close to Lincoln. havent searched to see if in Lincoln it doesnt show up in Genuki as being in Lincoln, so that is worth going into. Just in case it is correct. maybe just a coincidence but it seems a good chance it is right. So Chesterfield. The Thomas in the 1851 census was a Butcher so he may have been in that area.We havent got a place for the Elizabeth who married Thomas the mother of his children chr in Messingham, so could be her parish as well and maybe the marriage could show up there. I have also noted on my national burial index, the burial of Elizabeth mason of Mason of Messingham in childboirth. She had a baby Elizabeth 4th January 1821 and she died that day, Baby Elizabeth died 14th Janaury 1821. Thomas shows up as a widower in the 18851 census of Messingham a butcher, Francis his son head of house. However there is also a burial on the cd that lists a Thomas mason aged 64 in 1852. Thomas is alone in the 1841 census as well so it does look as it these are the parents of Ann and her siblings. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] General election 1852 Poll Book North Lincolnshire https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VplQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA462&dq=Thomas+Mason+High+Street+Messingham&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkjLuljMXKAhWB1RoKHfQFBnEQ6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=Thomas%20Mason%20High%20Street%20Messingham&f=false I 'think' it is 1872 ?. I am also including some the names from the 'Witness' section from freereg pages I have viewed. I have also added a few 'other' names, but mainly for Proctor/Mason research. Crowle is a hot spot!, Ealand of note!. The [] are from Rex's book url. You can search the rest of the book. The list is not complete.

Sorry I haven't been following all this thread, and it may have already been mentioned. There is a Newbald near Beverley in East Yorkshire, very near Hull. Jo On 26 Jan 2016, at 03:57, eamca via wrote: > It gets you in doesn't it Bart. I said I wouldnt work at it but it is like an addiction. I have looked at marriages from Thomas being aged 14, born 1780 the youngest age for males with parental consent that was 1794 up until after the birth of first child 1802, so I looked past that date tmost visible to my eye as it is quite a large place is kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire across the River not far from Messingham. There may be somewhere in the list of Marriages in England, not just lincolnshire I noted only on familysearch though, so may not be complete, that took place in between Messingham and Kingston. considering the distance between the Newbold in Derbyshire and the other Newbold they are as good as one another. Those two vowels are still getting to me. I m sure one of those Canadian contacts should surely know, but we know Stephen hasnt found that out yet.I took a look at the distance between Messingham and Kingston Upon Hull and these days it is between 28 an! d ! > 30.1 miles by road and in a straight line 18 miles. I guess themode of transport in those days wa shorse and cart or canal boat and could have been the shorter route as there wouldnt have been the built up areas to get around like now. there I took a look at Derbyshire for Newboad and it is a larger distance now 55.8 miles, it never gave me a straight line like the other. > > I will send you and Stephen the marriages to your email addy. > Edie > > > ------------------------------------------ > From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; > Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/53.2535/-1.4383 : Surnames: Foster - > Bell - Walker - Wright : These are some of the surnames I used in my last > 1872 post. Foster from Messingham is also up in Yorks too. There another > Newbold, but I don't think that is it. > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/eng-lincsgen/2016-01/1453246186 > Bart .... > -----Original Message----- > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/53.2535/-1.4383 : Surnames: Foster - Bell - Walker - Wright : These are some of the surnames I used in my last 1872 post. Foster from Messingham is also up in Yorks too. There another Newbold, but I don't think that is it. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/eng-lincsgen/2016-01/1453246186 Bart .... -----Original Message-----

Hello: I was there when looking for NEWBOLD. [Wootton St. Andrew m:15-12-1829 Joseph Moynes Wootton Elizabeth Proctor Wootton. Wit. Isaac Moynes Wit Henrietta Proctor]: Maybe worth checking out ?. And connections to [Healing St. Peter and St. Paul Bur:22-07-1836 age 33 Margaret Proctor person abode Stallingborough], and HEALING, and all around there too. [Connects back to 'Hagg' or Hagworthington]. [NEWBOLD]: 1. Newbold (Newball) by Langworth. 2. Newbold in Chesterfield Derbyshire. Google Maps: [Newbold, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, United Kingdom]. 3. Other. Since Google Maps does not show the word 'NEWBOLD', although the link above will take you right there, you can view it here: https://www.google.co.za/maps/vt/data=RfCSdfNZ0LFPrHSm0ublXdzhdrDFhtmHhN1u-gM,nGf1XBpmp6LWMR7sUNOXA5pS-rWmIEYNPC0y2AXMdXUuAsSe5Pw_oc_Cx-o4RPKV18xljUyi6Q-SjVC95mHd8HbsXMcveA Charles Mason bp:02-10-1803 Chesterfield Derbyshire m:14-02-1825 Staveley Derbyshire Harriet Turton bp:14-04-1805 Staveley Derbyshire. [1841: Ag lab, Newbold, Derbyshire; 1851: Labourer, widowed, Newbold, Derbyshire]. Another line also come here from Messingham. Bart [!!!] .... -----Original Message-----

Thank you for this link. Can't claim any of the Wilkinsons for sure as mine yet, but most interesting. I read the history section also. I often forget about Google books. Kathryne In a message dated 1/25/2016 4:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com writes: Browsing in Google Books recently I came across the following web page: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Lw4HAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Linc olnshire&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU9qOVyd3JAhUCthoKHd8fAGU4ChDoAQhCMAc#v=onepa ge&q=Lincolnshire&f=false This is long, so best copied in full, and pasted into your browser. Scroll down for lists of names in the North Lincolnshire villages to see where your families were living. Some villages were little more than hamlets, so check adjacent villages for missing families. Make sure you look at the end of each section to see the names of "Persons appearing on the Register, but not voting in this district". These "persons" were obviously absent from their home villages at the time of the voting - and in my case the absences explained 'gaps' found when I had made searches in registers. Etc.. Just sending on in case anyone interested. Rex ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bart's link to the HISTORY,GAZETTEER AND DIRECTORY of LINCOLNSHIRE, published 1872 is a great resource to let people 'flesh out' family members found in other returns etc., and to give insights into where family members were actually living and working years ago. Put what you have now with 1841 , '51 and '61 Census returns----------- My earlier link to the Google book takes you to a list of people who voted in the 1852 election. It is not a comprehensive list of all village males - only of those qualified to vote - as it says on a page covering the London metropolitan Archives - "Poll books will not list all residents of an area. Until 1832, most voters were freeholders and others who could meet property requirements for the franchise, and poll books list only those who actually cast a vote".Many of my own Messingham forebears are missing from the list! Years ago I copied a list of Messingham men listed in the 1725 Lincolnshire Poll Book. If anyone is interested these names were: Ffrancis Turpin; Jno. Johnson; Tho. Moody; Jno. Lindley; Jno. Popplewell; Geo. Major; Jno. Lyon; Wm. Lightly; Wm. Stevenson; Thos. Parker; Barthol. Drakes; Jno. Watson; Wm. Lambert; Isaac Bristow (Butterwick); Edmund Roadley); Jno. Stoakes; Mich (?) Wakes (?) (Ffrodingham); Robt. Gravenor; Thos. Major (Ashby). Regards. Rex