Bruce, I just read your mail again. As George was born in 1844 it is most unlikely he would be removed on his own, unless of course his mother had died. Unfortunately George was born before the 1844 Act (see the Acts of Parliament at the back of the book you downloaded), therefore there won't be a bastardy case in the Petty Sessions to look for either in the PS or in the newspapers. Bastardy is very difficult to research between 1839 and 1844! Thank you for your kind comments on our work. It makes it all worthwhile! Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole via Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: 'Bruce - Family History'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] George CABON (Spilsby 1844) - In Praise of Transcribers Bruce, For some reason best known to himself George Cabourn was in Skegness but needed poor relief therefore an investigation would have been made into his settlement and he would have been removed to wherever that was found to be. I saw this entry but didn't connect it with your research (sorry!). Unfortunately some of the minutes are not too helpful. As there is nothing else in the Spilsby Union Workhouse collection that will help, you might try the overseers accounts for Skegness to see if he is mentioned there, that is if there are any. Unfortunately there are no removal orders or settlement examinations for Skegness. However, the parish to which he was removed, which we don't know, and assuming that he was removed, will have had a copy of all the documentation so it could have survived in another parish chest somewhere. I tried the Lindsey Quarter Sessions poor law material where there are several Cabo(u)rns but not as late as 1845. Neither were there any for around this date on the Settlement Examinations and Removal Orders CD although there were a few Caborns there too. What you need is a clue to his parish of settlement, in other words, where was he removed to from Skegness?? The latter CD does cover all the material currently available at Lincolnshire Archives. There did seem to be several Cabourns around Alford. It is remotely possible that the case may have ended up in court, in which case the Petty Sessions minute books, again if there are any for this date, could be useful. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bruce - Family History via Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:16 AM To: ENG-Lincsgen-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] George CABON (Spilsby 1844) - In Praise of Transcribers Having found George CARBONE born in Hundleby Workhouse in November 1844 (mother Sarah, father=blank) I knew I wanted to access workhouse records to see what references there might be for him. I had in mind making the journey from Berkshire to the Archives in Lincoln, but to my delight found the Lincs FHS had published extracts from the Spilsby Union Workhouse, and what's more, the booklets were downloadable for a modest fee. Within minutes I found this: "24 April 1845. Ordered that the Clerk do write to the Overseer of Skegness to take the necessary steps to remove George Cabourn to his settlement. [Page 392]". This is the only mention I can find, so I wonder what he had to do with Skegness. Any hints as to what I might do next? Lastly, may I pay tribute to the LFHS transcribers whose dedicated work made this swift discovery possible - in this case Pat Pomeroy, Kathy Hancock & Anne Cole in 2011. 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Bruce, For some reason best known to himself George Cabourn was in Skegness but needed poor relief therefore an investigation would have been made into his settlement and he would have been removed to wherever that was found to be. I saw this entry but didn't connect it with your research (sorry!). Unfortunately some of the minutes are not too helpful. As there is nothing else in the Spilsby Union Workhouse collection that will help, you might try the overseers accounts for Skegness to see if he is mentioned there, that is if there are any. Unfortunately there are no removal orders or settlement examinations for Skegness. However, the parish to which he was removed, which we don't know, and assuming that he was removed, will have had a copy of all the documentation so it could have survived in another parish chest somewhere. I tried the Lindsey Quarter Sessions poor law material where there are several Cabo(u)rns but not as late as 1845. Neither were there any for around this date on the Settlement Examinations and Removal Orders CD although there were a few Caborns there too. What you need is a clue to his parish of settlement, in other words, where was he removed to from Skegness?? The latter CD does cover all the material currently available at Lincolnshire Archives. There did seem to be several Cabourns around Alford. It is remotely possible that the case may have ended up in court, in which case the Petty Sessions minute books, again if there are any for this date, could be useful. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bruce - Family History via Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:16 AM To: ENG-Lincsgen-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] George CABON (Spilsby 1844) - In Praise of Transcribers Having found George CARBONE born in Hundleby Workhouse in November 1844 (mother Sarah, father=blank) I knew I wanted to access workhouse records to see what references there might be for him. I had in mind making the journey from Berkshire to the Archives in Lincoln, but to my delight found the Lincs FHS had published extracts from the Spilsby Union Workhouse, and what's more, the booklets were downloadable for a modest fee. Within minutes I found this: "24 April 1845. Ordered that the Clerk do write to the Overseer of Skegness to take the necessary steps to remove George Cabourn to his settlement. [Page 392]". This is the only mention I can find, so I wonder what he had to do with Skegness. Any hints as to what I might do next? Lastly, may I pay tribute to the LFHS transcribers whose dedicated work made this swift discovery possible - in this case Pat Pomeroy, Kathy Hancock & Anne Cole in 2011. Bruce Moffatt Collins Bracknell, Berkshire bmc34.fh@ntlworld.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11604 - Release Date: 02/11/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11604 - Release Date: 02/11/16

Having found George CARBONE born in Hundleby Workhouse in November 1844 (mother Sarah, father=blank) I knew I wanted to access workhouse records to see what references there might be for him. I had in mind making the journey from Berkshire to the Archives in Lincoln, but to my delight found the Lincs FHS had published extracts from the Spilsby Union Workhouse, and what's more, the booklets were downloadable for a modest fee. Within minutes I found this: "24 April 1845. Ordered that the Clerk do write to the Overseer of Skegness to take the necessary steps to remove George Cabourn to his settlement. [Page 392]". This is the only mention I can find, so I wonder what he had to do with Skegness. Any hints as to what I might do next? Lastly, may I pay tribute to the LFHS transcribers whose dedicated work made this swift discovery possible - in this case Pat Pomeroy, Kathy Hancock & Anne Cole in 2011. Bruce Moffatt Collins Bracknell, Berkshire bmc34.fh@ntlworld.com

My endless thanks to the numerous enthusiastic members who tried in vain to find a place "Ramsey" in Yorkshire, the supposed birthplace of Sarah CARBON, mother of George. The transcription of the 1851 census (HO107 / 2108 folio 189 p5) gives "Ramsey, Yorkshire" and close examination of the image on FindmyPast confirms that the enumerator wrote "York, Ramsey". However, the Gazetteer published by Lincs FHS led me to believe that the village of North Rauceby (or possibly South) was a much more likely place, especially as the man she married gives his birthplace quite clearly as South Rauceby in the 1861 census and Sarah gives adjacent Sleaford. As Nivard pointed out, in the big household of the 1851 census: "There is plenty of latitude for error to creep in, the butler may not have been bothered to check for a mere servant or misunderstood what the place name was, or the enumerator made an error in transcription" I guess I cannot invite FindmyPast to alter the record, since it does accurately transcribe what was written. Bruce Moffatt Collins Bracknell, Berkshire bmc34.fh@ntlworld.com

Hi, I came across this list of Bastardy Cases 1845. they initially came from the Lincoln, Rutland and Stamford Mercury Newspaper. They may interest someone. Edie http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/bastardy_1845

That does sounds promising Bruce. I wonder what became of George. You say he wasnt with his mother in the 1851 census. Edie From: Bruce - Family History via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-Lincsgen-L@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] George CABON Spilsby 1844 - his mother Sarah Thanks, Edie, and other respondents, and apologies that many responses came in while I was researching and compiling this note: I too got excited to see the Yorkshire Post article mentioning Ramsey - but it turns out this is a reference to Ramsey, Isle of Man. So too were other apparent references, either that or to Ramsey in other counties - but see later... Following Edie's note, I looked for marriages, and of 7 results for Marriages of Sarah Ca*bo*n* between 1844-1870 only one was in Lincolnshire or thereabouts - and that was this one for Spilsby: Marriages Jun 1857 Caborn Sarah Spilsby 7a 1125 CALVERT Elizabeth Spilsby 7a 1125 Evison Joseph Spilsby 7a 1125 Wilkinson Samuel Spilsby 7a 1125 The 1861 census reveals that Joseph Evison had a wife Elizabeth (28), while Samuel Wilkinson had a wife Sarah (age 34 - correct) at Sleaford with a 1-yr old daughter. All sounds plausible, except Sarah's birthplace is given as Sleaford (not the mysterious Ramsey, Yorkshire). But now I see from the OS map that "North Rauceby" is close to Sleaford and my bet is that this came out as "York, Ramsey" on the 1851 census. Samuel WILKINSON's birthplace is clearly shown as South Rauceby. QED? The 1871 census also shows Sarah and Samuel WILKINSON (gardener and seedsman) in Sleaford, but by 1881 he is with a new (younger) 'wife' Mary Ann. This marriage fits nicely with George CABORN giving his father's name as "Samuel CABORN" on his marriage certificate. Bruce Moffatt Collins Bracknell, Berkshire bmc34.fh@ntlworld.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thats a pity I knew you would have the information Anne :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/02/2016 13:54, Anne Cole wrote: > Neither are there any admission or discharge registers for Spilsby Union at > all! > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Neither are there any admission or discharge registers for Spilsby Union at all! Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 11:43 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] George CABON Spilsby 1844 - his mother Sarah Hi Bruce I presume you didn't receive my post yesterday listing more or less the same as you came up with but also the 1841 for a Sarah in Spilsby As George was born in the workhouse I would look into any records there may be of Sarah entering the workhouse, they are likely to have tried to obtain the fathers name so they could prosecute him for a marriage or maintenance, Anne probably knows if any might exist Unfortunately the Lincolnshire parish records on findmypast don't go past 1837 for marriages so it appears the marriage might have to be ordered to see what Sarah gave for her fathers name Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/02/2016 01:31, Bruce - Family History via wrote: > Thanks, Edie, and other respondents, and apologies that many responses > came in while I was researching and compiling this note: > > I too got excited to see the Yorkshire Post article mentioning Ramsey > - but it turns out this is a reference to Ramsey, Isle of Man. So too > were other apparent references, either that or to Ramsey in other > counties - but see later... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16

You might try the post 1837 Marriage Index (link below). All the deposited parish registers for Spilsby RD are on there up to 1911. Also I did look in the Spilsby Workhouse minutes but found no mention of this Cabon (Cabourn or whatever). There are no birth registers for Spilsby Union. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 11:43 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] George CABON Spilsby 1844 - his mother Sarah Hi Bruce I presume you didn't receive my post yesterday listing more or less the same as you came up with but also the 1841 for a Sarah in Spilsby As George was born in the workhouse I would look into any records there may be of Sarah entering the workhouse, they are likely to have tried to obtain the fathers name so they could prosecute him for a marriage or maintenance, Anne probably knows if any might exist Unfortunately the Lincolnshire parish records on findmypast don't go past 1837 for marriages so it appears the marriage might have to be ordered to see what Sarah gave for her fathers name Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/02/2016 01:31, Bruce - Family History via wrote: > Thanks, Edie, and other respondents, and apologies that many responses > came in while I was researching and compiling this note: > > I too got excited to see the Yorkshire Post article mentioning Ramsey > - but it turns out this is a reference to Ramsey, Isle of Man. So too > were other apparent references, either that or to Ramsey in other > counties - but see later... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16

Hi Bruce I presume you didn't receive my post yesterday listing more or less the same as you came up with but also the 1841 for a Sarah in Spilsby As George was born in the workhouse I would look into any records there may be of Sarah entering the workhouse, they are likely to have tried to obtain the fathers name so they could prosecute him for a marriage or maintenance, Anne probably knows if any might exist Unfortunately the Lincolnshire parish records on findmypast don't go past 1837 for marriages so it appears the marriage might have to be ordered to see what Sarah gave for her fathers name Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/02/2016 01:31, Bruce - Family History via wrote: > Thanks, Edie, and other respondents, and apologies that many responses came > in while I was researching and compiling this note: > > I too got excited to see the Yorkshire Post article mentioning Ramsey - but > it turns out this is a reference to Ramsey, Isle of Man. So too were other > apparent references, either that or to Ramsey in other counties - but see > later... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Huntingdonshire doesn't exist any more apart from those of us who knew it. It became part of Cambridgeshire in 1974. I always consider the ancient as all being there. When the county boundaries first changed the old boundaries were marked on OS maps. Ramsey in Essex and Cambridgeshire are both listed in my AA map book. Just looking at the map it is north of Huntingdon. The area has Ramsey Abbey (National Trust place) Ramsey Heights, Ramsey Forty Foot, Ramsey St. Marys, Ramsey Merside. Victor On 06/02/2016 10:10 PM, eamca via wrote: > I see on Genuki, there was a Ramsey in Huntingdonshire, a little closer to Yorkshire, than Isle of Man, Essex or the Cambridgeshire Ramsey. Maybe worth looking there Bruce. It doesnt appear to be in the AA New Book of the Road Atlas, but may appear in the Philliimores Atlas. > Edie > > > ------------------------------------------ > From: Nivard Ovington via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; > Subject: Re: [LIN] George CABON Spilsby 1844 - birth found > Hi Edie > The link you posted appears to be a shared story about houses on the > Isle of man in Ramsey > I can't find any place in Yorkshire named Ramsey or similar > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > On 06/02/2016 00:19, eamca via wrote: >> Hi Bruce, >> There definitely is a Ramsey in Yorkshire. I dont know of it, but here is a couple of restate chaps in Ramsey >> http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/new-houses-a-welcome-addition-in-ramsey-1-7613314 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see on Genuki, there was a Ramsey in Huntingdonshire, a little closer to Yorkshire, than Isle of Man, Essex or the Cambridgeshire Ramsey. Maybe worth looking there Bruce. It doesnt appear to be in the AA New Book of the Road Atlas, but may appear in the Philliimores Atlas. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Nivard Ovington via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] George CABON Spilsby 1844 - birth found Hi Edie The link you posted appears to be a shared story about houses on the Isle of man in Ramsey I can't find any place in Yorkshire named Ramsey or similar Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/02/2016 00:19, eamca via wrote: > Hi Bruce, > There definitely is a Ramsey in Yorkshire. I dont know of it, but here is a couple of restate chaps in Ramsey > http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/new-houses-a-welcome-addition-in-ramsey-1-7613314

knew there was a Ramsey on the Isle of Man and a couple of other Counties. I should have read further as I just noted Ramsey in Yorkshire. . There isnt one in my Atlas, but may have been one in the time frame Bruce needs. Sorry about that Bruce. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Nivard Ovington via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] George CABON Spilsby 1844 - birth found Hi Edie The link you posted appears to be a shared story about houses on the Isle of man in Ramsey I can't find any place in Yorkshire named Ramsey or similar Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/02/2016 00:19, eamca via wrote: > Hi Bruce, > There definitely is a Ramsey in Yorkshire. I dont know of it, but here is a couple of restate chaps in Ramsey > http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/new-houses-a-welcome-addition-in-ramsey-1-7613314 > > Maybe you could look in the White pages for an address with that surname if any. I would imageine she may have been married at some time being only very young when sh gave birth to George. You could look for a marriage for her now. > Edie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: The URL seems to refer to a Yorkshire newspaper talking about 'Ramsey Town Commissioners, Ramsey, Isle of Man'. http://www.ramsey.gov.im/ Bart .... -----Original Message----- > There definitely is a Ramsey in Yorkshire. I dont know of it, but here is > a couple of restate chaps in Ramsey > http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/new-houses-a-welcome-addition-in-ramsey-1-7613314 -------------------------------

Thanks, Edie, and other respondents, and apologies that many responses came in while I was researching and compiling this note: I too got excited to see the Yorkshire Post article mentioning Ramsey - but it turns out this is a reference to Ramsey, Isle of Man. So too were other apparent references, either that or to Ramsey in other counties - but see later... Following Edie's note, I looked for marriages, and of 7 results for Marriages of Sarah Ca*bo*n* between 1844-1870 only one was in Lincolnshire or thereabouts - and that was this one for Spilsby: Marriages Jun 1857 Caborn Sarah Spilsby 7a 1125 CALVERT Elizabeth Spilsby 7a 1125 Evison Joseph Spilsby 7a 1125 Wilkinson Samuel Spilsby 7a 1125 The 1861 census reveals that Joseph Evison had a wife Elizabeth (28), while Samuel Wilkinson had a wife Sarah (age 34 - correct) at Sleaford with a 1-yr old daughter. All sounds plausible, except Sarah's birthplace is given as Sleaford (not the mysterious Ramsey, Yorkshire). But now I see from the OS map that "North Rauceby" is close to Sleaford and my bet is that this came out as "York, Ramsey" on the 1851 census. Samuel WILKINSON's birthplace is clearly shown as South Rauceby. QED? The 1871 census also shows Sarah and Samuel WILKINSON (gardener and seedsman) in Sleaford, but by 1881 he is with a new (younger) 'wife' Mary Ann. This marriage fits nicely with George CABORN giving his father's name as "Samuel CABORN" on his marriage certificate. Bruce Moffatt Collins Bracknell, Berkshire bmc34.fh@ntlworld.com

Sent from my iPad > On Feb 6, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Bruce - Family History via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Thanks, Edie, and other respondents, and apologies that many responses came > in while I was researching and compiling this note: > > I too got excited to see the Yorkshire Post article mentioning Ramsey - but > it turns out this is a reference to Ramsey, Isle of Man. So too were other > apparent references, either that or to Ramsey in other counties - but see > later... > > Following Edie's note, I looked for marriages, and of 7 results for > Marriages of Sarah Ca*bo*n* between 1844-1870 only one was in Lincolnshire > or thereabouts - and that was this one for Spilsby: > Marriages Jun 1857 > Caborn Sarah Spilsby 7a 1125 > CALVERT Elizabeth Spilsby 7a 1125 > Evison Joseph Spilsby 7a 1125 > Wilkinson Samuel Spilsby 7a 1125 > > The 1861 census reveals that Joseph Evison had a wife Elizabeth (28), while > Samuel Wilkinson had a wife Sarah (age 34 - correct) at Sleaford with a 1-yr > old daughter. All sounds plausible, except Sarah's birthplace is given as > Sleaford (not the mysterious Ramsey, Yorkshire). But now I see from the OS > map that "North Rauceby" is close to Sleaford and my bet is that this came > out as "York, Ramsey" on the 1851 census. Samuel WILKINSON's birthplace is > clearly shown as South Rauceby. QED? > The 1871 census also shows Sarah and Samuel WILKINSON (gardener and > seedsman) in Sleaford, but by 1881 he is with a new (younger) 'wife' Mary > Ann. > This marriage fits nicely with George CABORN giving his father's name as > "Samuel CABORN" on his marriage certificate. > > Bruce Moffatt Collins > Bracknell, Berkshire > bmc34.fh@ntlworld.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bruce, There definitely is a Ramsey in Yorkshire. I dont know of it, but here is a couple of restate chaps in Ramsey http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/new-houses-a-welcome-addition-in-ramsey-1-7613314 Maybe you could look in the White pages for an address with that surname if any. I would imageine she may have been married at some time being only very young when sh gave birth to George. You could look for a marriage for her now. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bruce - Family History via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-Lincsgen-L@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] George CABON Spilsby 1844 - birth found My thanks to Nivard Ovington and Edie for their responses to my query (below). I now have the birth certificate for George CARBONE from the only likely GRO reference. He was born on 10 Nov 1844 in the workhouse at Hundleby (Spilsby district) of Sarah CARBONE; no father is shown. I wonder if "Samuel" was invented as a father's name to add respectability to his marriage certificate; perhaps the father was indeed a Samuel. In the 1851 census Sarah CARBON was age 24, one of numerous servants at Scrivelsby Court, Horncastle, with a birthplace recorded as Ramsey, Yorkshire. Sadly, I can find no such place. Nor have I yet found George (age about 6) in the 1851 census. Bruce Moffatt Collins Bracknell, Berkshire bmc34.fh@ntlworld.com -------------------------------------------- I am struggling to work back from George CABON born ca. 1844 in Spilsby, Lincs. He married Ellen SIMPSON in Sculcoates (Hull, Yorkshire) in 1867; the register has CABORN as his surname, also that of his father Samuel. In the poorly transcribed 1861 Census he is likely the servant George CABORN/CABAN in the family PATCHETT/PATCHELL at Bilsby/Spilsby. In the 1871 census he was in Hull as a policeman under the name CABON. He went on to be a successful grocer in Grimsby. I cannot find him (age about 6) in the 1851 census, nor have I found a convincing record of his father Samuel's birth. Who can help? ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for a birth in Lincs 1827 I found Name: Sarah Caborn Gender: Female Baptism Date: 19 Jan 1826 Baptism Place: Partney,Lincoln,England Father: William Caborn Mother: Anne FHL Film Number: 504587, 508025 However this young lady 25 born Partney appears to be in 1851 with brother Robert So far I haven't found a potential baptism for Sarah in Sleaford Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 05/02/2016 23:35, Bruce - Family History via wrote: >> My thanks to Nivard Ovington and Edie for their responses to my query >> (below). >> I now have the birth certificate for George CARBONE from the only >> likely GRO >> reference. >> He was born on 10 Nov 1844 in the workhouse at Hundleby (Spilsby >> district) >> of Sarah CARBONE; no father is shown. I wonder if "Samuel" was >> invented as a >> father's name to add respectability to his marriage certificate; >> perhaps the >> father was indeed a Samuel. >> In the 1851 census Sarah CARBON was age 24, one of numerous servants at >> Scrivelsby Court, Horncastle, with a birthplace recorded as Ramsey, >> Yorkshire. Sadly, I can find no such place. >> Nor have I yet found George (age about 6) in the 1851 census. >> >> Bruce Moffatt Collins --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Bruce Despite being enumerated as born York Ramsey I can find no place in Yorkshire similar to Ramsey On that score, the following is very useful <http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html> Birthplaces for servants would more often be given by the butler or some senior servant where there were a lot of servants and the head of household in smaller houses, the details were written on the schedule by the person charged with the task, the enumerator collected the forms and copied them onto the pages we see online today So there is plenty of latitude for error to creep in, the butler may not have been bothered to check for a mere servant or misunderstood what the place name was, or the enumerator made an error in transcription, missing a line, etc etc In 1841 there is the following entry in Spilsby It does not help a great deal as in 1841 no exact birthplace is recorded, it should be either Y for Yes born in County where enumerated or N not born in County but in this case she is not noted with a birth Y or N so you would assume out of County So whilst it looks to be a good match for her in 1841, it doesn't lead to where she came from Name: Sarah Cabourn Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Female Civil Parish: Spilsby Hundred: East Bolingbroke Soke County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Spilsby Sub-registration district: Spilsby Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 644 Book: 18 Folio: 36 Page Number: 37 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Cabourn 15 William Rushby 14 Source Citation Class: HO107; Piece: 644; Book: 18; Civil Parish: Spilsby; County: Lincolnshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 36; Page: 37; Line: 25; GSU roll: 438768 Looking further there is a marriage for a Sarah CABORN in 1857 reg Spilsby Which shows she married either Samuel WILKINSON or Joseph EVISON There was no Sarah EVISON with a husband Joseph in 1861, but there was the following entry in 1861 Name: Sarah Wilkinson Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: 1827 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Samuel Wilkinson Gender: Female Where born: Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Old Sleaford County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Sleaford Sub-registration district: Sleaford ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 95 Piece: 2343 Folio: 73 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Wilkinson 30 Sarah Wilkinson 34 Sarah Wilkinson 1 Cancel Source Citation Class: RG 9; Piece: 2343; Folio: 73; Page: 20; GSU roll: 542957 And in 1871 Name: Sarah Wilkinson Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Samuel Wilkinson Gender: Female Where born: Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Old Sleaford Ecclesiastical parish: Lafford Town: Sleaford County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Sleaford Sub-registration district: Sleaford ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 56 Piece: 3350 Folio: 69 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Wilkinson 40 Sarah Wilkinson 42 Sarah Ann Wilkinson 11 Cancel Source Citation Class: RG10; Piece: 3350; Folio: 69; Page: 10; GSU roll: 839357 So in both cases she gave her birthplace as Sleaford Lincs Might it also hint that George "borrowed" his step fathers name to save face? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 05/02/2016 23:35, Bruce - Family History via wrote: > My thanks to Nivard Ovington and Edie for their responses to my query > (below). > I now have the birth certificate for George CARBONE from the only likely GRO > reference. > He was born on 10 Nov 1844 in the workhouse at Hundleby (Spilsby district) > of Sarah CARBONE; no father is shown. I wonder if "Samuel" was invented as a > father's name to add respectability to his marriage certificate; perhaps the > father was indeed a Samuel. > In the 1851 census Sarah CARBON was age 24, one of numerous servants at > Scrivelsby Court, Horncastle, with a birthplace recorded as Ramsey, > Yorkshire. Sadly, I can find no such place. > Nor have I yet found George (age about 6) in the 1851 census. > > Bruce Moffatt Collins --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Edie The link you posted appears to be a shared story about houses on the Isle of man in Ramsey I can't find any place in Yorkshire named Ramsey or similar Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/02/2016 00:19, eamca via wrote: > Hi Bruce, > There definitely is a Ramsey in Yorkshire. I dont know of it, but here is a couple of restate chaps in Ramsey > http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/new-houses-a-welcome-addition-in-ramsey-1-7613314 > > Maybe you could look in the White pages for an address with that surname if any. I would imageine she may have been married at some time being only very young when sh gave birth to George. You could look for a marriage for her now. > Edie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus