Hello Nivard. I recently downloaded the free basic MyHeritage. It's easy to get family names and trees onto it. I've started cautiously, just putting in a couple of families and haven't paid for further family information. Lots of family links/names have been sent through for free. I'm amazed at the number of family names they have of mine. My query is, do you know of the site and if so, is it worth subscribing to? Regards. Barbara. Sent from my iPad

Thank you Terry Yes I saw the many Ancestry trees, I think it narrows down to 8 as several are duplicates (seems some just keep uploading a new tree without deleting the old tree) But I do find tree owners rather poor correspondents Hence my posting to the list which is archived and findable by a google search Sadly all the posts on facebook are virtually lost as soon as they are made, so much will be lost or hidden for later researchers Hopefully this might be found and I can supply a picture Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/04/2016 09:49, Terry Wells wrote: > It looks like lots of people are! There are 14 Public Member Trees > on Ancestry with this Charles Henry BIOTT, although some may be the > same researcher. Most seem to have him dying in 1921 in Skipton. > > Regards, Terry --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

It looks like lots of people are! There are 14 Public Member Trees on Ancestry with this Charles Henry BIOTT, although some may be the same researcher. Most seem to have him dying in 1921 in Skipton. Regards, Terry -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:ovington.one@gmail.com] Sent: 02 April 2016 15:08 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Charles Henry BIOTT b1846 Nettleham Lincolnshire Hi all Anyone researching the following man ? Charles Henry BIOTT b1846 Nettleham Lincolnshire He married Annie STOTT in 1868 Hartlepool A photo has been posted in a facebook group is anyone is interested -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi all Anyone researching the following man ? Charles Henry BIOTT b1846 Nettleham Lincolnshire He married Annie STOTT in 1868 Hartlepool A photo has been posted in a facebook group is anyone is interested -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Your best bet is to start with newspapers as a case like this is likely to have been of interest and will have been reported. It may have been held at Petty Sessions, which were held much more regularly, and were more locally based, than Quarter Sessions. You should also consider that the Guardians of the Poor Law Unions were very probably involved and the case may have been mentioned in the Minutes of their fortnightly or weekly meetings. I have seen many such cases mentioned in the minutes that we have transcribed (before 1901). Barrowby is in the Grantham Poor Law Union and Lincolnshire Archives does have minutes that cover this period. You really need a firm date though before going down that road. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Garth Swanson via Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 7:29 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Courts - Barrowby-Stainwith? Good morning Barrowby-Stainwith is/are villages at the border between Lincs and Leicestershire, I wonder if anyone is familiar with the court system in the early 20th century in that part of the country. I am interested in researching a possible case of child neglect which I believe occurred in the period 1908-1918. What level of court would have heard this? Would it have been in Leics or Lincs? Any advice would be appreciated. Regards Garth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7497 / Virus Database: 4545/11936 - Release Date: 04/01/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7497 / Virus Database: 4545/11936 - Release Date: 04/01/16

Good morning Barrowby-Stainwith is/are villages at the border between Lincs and Leicestershire, I wonder if anyone is familiar with the court system in the early 20th century in that part of the country. I am interested in researching a possible case of child neglect which I believe occurred in the period 1908-1918. What level of court would have heard this? Would it have been in Leics or Lincs? Any advice would be appreciated. Regards Garth

Hi Terry, In some ways you can finish a family by cutting the generations in half. I am doing our McArthur line in two parts. Our immigrant came to Tasmania in 1857, their marriage took place in 1856 in Lanarkshire, Scotland, I have yet to find John McArthurs true date and place of birth in Scotland, but I am not going to dwell on that date as I may never find out, so I am starting at his approx year of birth 1828 according to his age on the marriage certificate which was 28 and I have the names of his parents as they are on his marriage certificate,, no birth for him there though. I am taking the family to 1957 so the first one hundred years. Then Part two I am starting at 1910, the birth of the next generation character and that will be on going for a little while at least. I am waiting for the rest of the births for this last generation to be born,then I may start again with part three as I already have sufficient records, newspaper clippings, photos for the second part. That! is it for the Australian side of our family. My Lincs famiy, I think I have as much as can be found for the time being, that is my maternal family, along with my paternal family, of Yorkshire and Middlesex, that should be enough to be interesting to complete another side of the family history. you can just keep creating new episodes, hopefully someone will keep it going after we have gone. For now though, I have enough to finish part one, for each side of our family, maternal and paternal on both of our families. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Terry Wells <terry.wells@talktalk.net> To: eamca@bigpond.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; ovington.one@gmail.com; Subject: PAF (and others) Edie says: ". I can't wait to finish at least one family........." I don't believe this ever happens! Terry -----Original Message----- From: eamca@bigpond.com [mailto:eamca@bigpond.com] Sent: 30 March 2016 12:08 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; ovington.one@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. note: Research Thank you Nivard, I know PAF has been in use for many years since about the time I started my family history many moons ago. I use family tree maker 2014. So far I have never needed support as we do have workshops at our family history society which helps a bit, but I dont have much trouble anyway. The fun will start when I go to print out a family history book one day. As you say though some of the programs including family tree maker have features you will never use. I cant wait to finish at least one family to produce a booklet just for the family not for the general public. Edie ------------------------------------------

Edie says: ". I can't wait to finish at least one family........." I don't believe this ever happens! Terry -----Original Message----- From: eamca@bigpond.com [mailto:eamca@bigpond.com] Sent: 30 March 2016 12:08 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; ovington.one@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. note: Research Thank you Nivard, I know PAF has been in use for many years since about the time I started my family history many moons ago. I use family tree maker 2014. So far I have never needed support as we do have workshops at our family history society which helps a bit, but I dont have much trouble anyway. The fun will start when I go to print out a family history book one day. As you say though some of the programs including family tree maker have features you will never use. I cant wait to finish at least one family to produce a booklet just for the family not for the general public. Edie ------------------------------------------

Hi Barbara Like everything it is easy when you know how. Our last workshop was about inserting the 'Source Citations', really that applies no matter what program you are using. If you are intending to published a book it is important to note where you have found your records so others can check the source of your work. I never did this in the first place and so have a lot of catching up to do, but having said that, I have done some source citation before the workshop, some were done incorrectly. I find it better if you do all the tasks such as inserting the source, whether it be for a photograph and newspaper cutting, which Newspaper etc at the time you insert your family member, then you don't have to go back and do it later. I try to do that now. At one stage I just stopped inserting family and did as much readjusting as I could. I am still a novice, so still learning and still making mistakes to be corrected as well..At our workshops run by our Society President, run about ! monthly, we can ask questions and just about everyone there are mystified at times, but we learn little by little. The light bulb goes on eventually. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Barbara Paris <paris276@btinternet.com> To: eamca@bigpond.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. note: Research Hi Edie. Thanks for sending that. Having ignored my laptop for quite a while because I just couldn't fathom out how to work easily with FTM 2014, I decided not to be a wimp and give it another try. Well, it's becoming slightly clearer so I decided to battle on and, luckily, have been able work out some of the baffling bits. Regards. Barbara. Sent from my iPad > On 30 Mar 2016, at 12:38, eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Barbara, > This was the information we received re the new family tree maker support from roots magic and mackiev.................. > >

Hi Barbara, This was the information we received re the new family tree maker support from roots magic and mackiev. http://blog.eogn.com/2016/02/02/family-tree-maker-to-be-continued-and-with-more-options-than-ever-before/ Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Richard M Brown via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: johnlindley41@gmail.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. note: Research Hi John, Don't give up if family isn't supported. You can still use it. Now, I use Roots Magic which is great and with fantastic support via the dedicated Facebook pages. So don't give up Sent from my iPad 3 > On 28 Mar 2016, at 10:49, John Lindley via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Barbara. > I use ftm 2005. I got ftm 2012 and found it difficult to use so went back > to 2005 edition and still use it. If ancestry get rid of it I may have to > get another programe or pack it up altogether and print off what I have > got. Regards. John. South yorkshire. >> On 28 Mar 2016 10:24, "Barbara Paris via" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Victor. >> >> Just read your email and that you mentioned Family Historian in it. >> >> I've just bought Family Tree and cannot get on with it at all. I used FT >> several years ago and found it quite user friendly but the newer version >> and Ancestry itself is less comprehendible!!!!! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I cannot remember all of the details but Roots Magic and another company Mackev or something like that are going in with ancestry to supply some support for family tree maker.I thought I saw the information on yorksgen. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Richard M Brown via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: johnlindley41@gmail.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. note: Research Hi John, Don't give up if family isn't supported. You can still use it. Now, I use Roots Magic which is great and with fantastic support via the dedicated Facebook pages. So don't give up Sent from my iPad 3 > On 28 Mar 2016, at 10:49, John Lindley via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Barbara. > I use ftm 2005. I got ftm 2012 and found it difficult to use so went back > to 2005 edition and still use it. If ancestry get rid of it I may have to > get another programe or pack it up altogether and print off what I have > got. Regards. John. South yorkshire. >> On 28 Mar 2016 10:24, "Barbara Paris via" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Victor. >> >> Just read your email and that you mentioned Family Historian in it. >> >> I've just bought Family Tree and cannot get on with it at all. I used FT >> several years ago and found it quite user friendly but the newer version >> and Ancestry itself is less comprehendible!!!!! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Nivard, I know PAF has been in use for many years since about the time I started my family history many moons ago. I use family tree maker 2014. So far I have never needed support as we do have workshops at our family history society which helps a bit, but I dont have much trouble anyway. The fun will start when I go to print out a family history book one day. As you say though some of the programs including family tree maker have features you will never use. I cant wait to finish at least one family to produce a booklet just for the family not for the general public. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: eamca@bigpond.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. note: Research Morning Edie re PAF, the first thing to say is that PAF was discontinued a while ago and support has ceased However its such a stable program and has been in use for years that support is rarely if ever required (I have never needed it in all the many years I have used it) Can PAF take or accept images, documents or photos, yes no problem, images can be attached to a person or source or event You can export with or without media links, notes etc etc in PAF 2.1 to PAF 5 through to gedcom 5.5 Then import that into most other programs It has a variety or reporting routines through PAF companion (PAF has some basic reports itself) I have no idea if it can publish a story book as have never tried or had the desire to I have used the various major suppliers offerings and frankly they appear to be padded out with extra bits few will ever use to the detriment of usability and speed of use Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/03/2016 01:00, eamca@bigpond.com wrote: > Hi W Smith and Nivard, Can you put photographs and newspaper cuttings > and certificate images into Paf. just curious. Do you use any other > like familytree maker when you want to create a book with the photos > etc. I thought Paf only took text. I know folk use a lot of > different ways of creating trees etc and some never get around to > creating a booklet for the family, so Paf may be enough, but I just > wondered if it can take the etc load. I see you say you can export > Paf into another program, have you done that successfully and added > photos etc. As I said just curious not. Just a bit of knowledge for > me that is all. Someone may ask about paf one day at our society. > > Edie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Edie. Thanks for sending that. Having ignored my laptop for quite a while because I just couldn't fathom out how to work easily with FTM 2014, I decided not to be a wimp and give it another try. Well, it's becoming slightly clearer so I decided to battle on and, luckily, have been able work out some of the baffling bits. Regards. Barbara. Sent from my iPad > On 30 Mar 2016, at 12:38, eamca via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Barbara, > This was the information we received re the new family tree maker support from roots magic and mackiev.................. > >

Hi John, Don't give up if family isn't supported. You can still use it. Now, I use Roots Magic which is great and with fantastic support via the dedicated Facebook pages. So don't give up Sent from my iPad 3 > On 28 Mar 2016, at 10:49, John Lindley via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Barbara. > I use ftm 2005. I got ftm 2012 and found it difficult to use so went back > to 2005 edition and still use it. If ancestry get rid of it I may have to > get another programe or pack it up altogether and print off what I have > got. Regards. John. South yorkshire. >> On 28 Mar 2016 10:24, "Barbara Paris via" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Victor. >> >> Just read your email and that you mentioned Family Historian in it. >> >> I've just bought Family Tree and cannot get on with it at all. I used FT >> several years ago and found it quite user friendly but the newer version >> and Ancestry itself is less comprehendible!!!!! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nivard has said it all. I have exported trees from PAF to all kinds of other programs quite successfully. I am quite happy to stay with PAF but when doing some research for other friends I have used Legacy and FTM amongst others. Heredis is a good one to use on an IPad. I find though that it is far easier to set them all up on PAF and then export to whichever package you are using. I find PAF is so easy to use and as Nivard says, a great many of the new features are never needed. W. Smith

Hi W Smith and Nivard, Can you put photographs and newspaper cuttings and certificate images into Paf. just curious. Do you use any other like familytree maker when you want to create a book with the photos etc. I thought Paf only took text. I know folk use a lot of different ways of creating trees etc and some never get around to creating a booklet for the family, so Paf may be enough, but I just wondered if it can take the etc load. I see you say you can export Paf into another program, have you done that successfully and added photos etc. As I said just curious not. Just a bit of knowledge for me that is all. Someone may ask about paf one day at our society. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Reevesroots Gml via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ovington.one@gmail.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. note: Research Was just about to post that I still use Paf when Nivard beat me to it. So many of the more recent programs make adding notes for instance too precise. I just like the way that PAF takes odd ball entries without complaint ! Plus you can always tart up your tree info by exporting it to another program so easily with the aid of a Ged file. W. Smith > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again I should perhaps have added, whilst PAF has been discontinued, there is a later more up to date program from the same stable as originally wrote PAF That being Ancestral Quest http://www.ancquest.com/index.htm Like most reputable companies they do a free basic version so you can evaluate it It is so closely aligned that you can open an existing PAF file and edit it in either PAF or AQ The full program is very competitively priced Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/03/2016 09:23, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Morning Edie > > re PAF, the first thing to say is that PAF was discontinued a while ago > and support has ceased > > However its such a stable program and has been in use for years that > support is rarely if ever required (I have never needed it in all the > many years I have used it) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Morning Edie re PAF, the first thing to say is that PAF was discontinued a while ago and support has ceased However its such a stable program and has been in use for years that support is rarely if ever required (I have never needed it in all the many years I have used it) Can PAF take or accept images, documents or photos, yes no problem, images can be attached to a person or source or event You can export with or without media links, notes etc etc in PAF 2.1 to PAF 5 through to gedcom 5.5 Then import that into most other programs It has a variety or reporting routines through PAF companion (PAF has some basic reports itself) I have no idea if it can publish a story book as have never tried or had the desire to I have used the various major suppliers offerings and frankly they appear to be padded out with extra bits few will ever use to the detriment of usability and speed of use Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/03/2016 01:00, eamca@bigpond.com wrote: > Hi W Smith and Nivard, Can you put photographs and newspaper cuttings > and certificate images into Paf. just curious. Do you use any other > like familytree maker when you want to create a book with the photos > etc. I thought Paf only took text. I know folk use a lot of > different ways of creating trees etc and some never get around to > creating a booklet for the family, so Paf may be enough, but I just > wondered if it can take the etc load. I see you say you can export > Paf into another program, have you done that successfully and added > photos etc. As I said just curious not. Just a bit of knowledge for > me that is all. Someone may ask about paf one day at our society. > > Edie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I quite agree Terry. Spent yrs looking for father of Jon'Baillie who was down as Secretary to Admiral Lord Gardener on his son's marriage certificate 1841, to eventually find him as Ship's Purser dying at see 1811! Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: Terry Wells via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Date: To: 'BobJ' <rjngs@pearson30.karoo.co.uk>,eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] John BOYES- Dead or alive? Bob, In my experience whether a father is shown as deceased or not on an offspring's marriage certificate is not really a good indication of whether the person is actually deceased.  It seems to depend on what question was asked by the person performing the ceremony.  If the only question asked was "Name of Father?" then this is all you get.  If the fact that he was deceased is neither offered nor asked then you just get the name. Terry -----Original Message----- From: BobJ [mailto:rjngs@pearson30.karoo.co.uk] Sent: 29 March 2016 15:14 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] John BOYES- Dead or alive? I have a line back to Robert BOYES, bapt. 31 March 1827 at Gainsborough, son of John and Jane BOYES of Morton, father a sailor. John and Jane had 6 children bapt. at Gainsborough up to 1833. I cannot find any birth or bapt. of this John BOYES.   When Robert BOYES, b. 1827, married Jane HIRD 27 Nov. 1848 at Hull his father is John BOYES, deceased mariner.  Jane HIRD’s father is also ‘deceased mariner’. So there may have been some confusion here? In the 1851 Census of Hull/Sculcoates John’s son William, b. 1831 at Gainsborough, is living with Sarah Ann BOYES, b. 1833 at Gainsborough, daughter of Robert BOYES, b. 1794 at Gainsborough Workhouse.  This infers that John BOYES the Gainsborough mariner is brother to this Robert BOYES, b. 1794, bapt. 1797 age 2 ½  at Gainsborough Workhouse. 1850 marr. of William BOYES, b. 1831(brother of Robert BOYES b. 1827) father is John BOYES, mariner [not shown as deceased]. 1851 second marr. of Robert BOYES, b. 1827, father John BOYES, mariner [not shown as deceased]. 1864 marr. of John BOYES, b. 1833, father late John BOYES, mariner. John BOYES and his wife Jane appear to have avoided the Census of 1841 and 1851. The Death Cert. of John BOYES of 1855, age 63 a journeyman cooper, was, from 1851 Census, born at Walkington, East Yorks., a cooper and sloopman. Bob Jennings ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob, In my experience whether a father is shown as deceased or not on an offspring's marriage certificate is not really a good indication of whether the person is actually deceased. It seems to depend on what question was asked by the person performing the ceremony. If the only question asked was "Name of Father?" then this is all you get. If the fact that he was deceased is neither offered nor asked then you just get the name. Terry -----Original Message----- From: BobJ [mailto:rjngs@pearson30.karoo.co.uk] Sent: 29 March 2016 15:14 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] John BOYES- Dead or alive? I have a line back to Robert BOYES, bapt. 31 March 1827 at Gainsborough, son of John and Jane BOYES of Morton, father a sailor. John and Jane had 6 children bapt. at Gainsborough up to 1833. I cannot find any birth or bapt. of this John BOYES. When Robert BOYES, b. 1827, married Jane HIRD 27 Nov. 1848 at Hull his father is John BOYES, deceased mariner. Jane HIRD’s father is also ‘deceased mariner’. So there may have been some confusion here? In the 1851 Census of Hull/Sculcoates John’s son William, b. 1831 at Gainsborough, is living with Sarah Ann BOYES, b. 1833 at Gainsborough, daughter of Robert BOYES, b. 1794 at Gainsborough Workhouse. This infers that John BOYES the Gainsborough mariner is brother to this Robert BOYES, b. 1794, bapt. 1797 age 2 ½ at Gainsborough Workhouse. 1850 marr. of William BOYES, b. 1831(brother of Robert BOYES b. 1827) father is John BOYES, mariner [not shown as deceased]. 1851 second marr. of Robert BOYES, b. 1827, father John BOYES, mariner [not shown as deceased]. 1864 marr. of John BOYES, b. 1833, father late John BOYES, mariner. John BOYES and his wife Jane appear to have avoided the Census of 1841 and 1851. The Death Cert. of John BOYES of 1855, age 63 a journeyman cooper, was, from 1851 Census, born at Walkington, East Yorks., a cooper and sloopman. Bob Jennings