Thanks Anne for the updated Excel sheet. I was able to confirm and add to my PORTAS and VAMPLEW entries on my tree. We are all so lucky to have folks like you doing this tedious work you share. Best, Karen Glass, Illinois LFHS # C6288 Blog: http://familyhistorywithalookingglass.blogspot.com kglass18@mac.com PORTEOUS DNA Surname Project (includes PORTAS) - http://www.familytreedna.com/public/porteous Researching in: UK--Lincolnshire, Yorkshire; USA--Kansas, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan; CA--Ontario, Alberta; AU and NZ [includes all spelling variations] PORTEOUS; PORTAS; PORTUS; VAMPLEW; VANPLEW; PATCHETT "Give Peace a Chance" DUMP TRUMP! > On 13Feb2017, at 1:59 PM, Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> wrote: > > Thank you Mark. I actually sent them to Steve Seymour who owns the website 3 > weeks ago! It is a bit frustrating having finished it and then it not being > uploaded for ages. Anyhow, it's done now. I'm pondering over which RD to > tackle next. Ann Benson is ploughing her way through Louth St James. Maybe > I'll do Holbeach next. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ENG-LINCSGEN > [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces+anne.cole=ntlworld.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Mark Barcelona > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 6:13 PM > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIN] Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index update > > Congratulations, Anne, on completing the Horncastle Registration District > (based on LAO records). Many thanks to you for these useful resources and to > all your helpers for their valuable work too. I'm sure many other list > members are grateful too! > > Best wishes, > > Mark > in Barcelona > > Sent from Outlook > ________________________________ > From: ENG-LINCSGEN > <eng-lincsgen-bounces+markbarcelona=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of > Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 8:58:10 PM > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index update > > The Post 1837 Marriage index has been updated and the following parishes for > Horncastle Registration District > added: > Kirkstead 1851-1899 > Mareham le Fen 1851-1911 > Low Toynton 1851-1911 > Market Stainton 1837-1911 > Martin by Horncastle 1837-1911 > Miningsby 1851-1911 > Moorby 1851-1911 > Panton 1851-1911 > Ranby 1837-1911 > Roughton 1851-1911 > Salmonby 1851-1911 > Somersby 1837-1911 > Sotby 1851-1911 > Tattershall 1851-1911 > Tetford 1837-1911 (some marriages incomplete) Thimbleby 1837-1911 Thornton > by Horncastle 1837-1911 Waddingworth 1851-1884 (no more marriages after) > West Ashby 1837-1911 West Barkwith 1851-1911 Wispington 1851-1911 Winceby > 1851-1911 Wood Enderby 1851-1911 Woodhall 1851-1911 Woodhall Spa (Langton St > Andrew) 1859-1911 Wragby 1851-1911 Horncastle Wesleyan Methodist (Queen > Street) 1851-1911 (many marriages incomplete and some missing) Coningsby > Dogdyke Road Wesleyan Chapel 1900-1011 This completes Horncastle > Registration District from the registers deposited at Lincolnshire Archives. > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/index.html > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Post 1837 Marriage index has been updated and the following parishes for Horncastle Registration District added: Kirkstead 1851-1899 Mareham le Fen 1851-1911 Low Toynton 1851-1911 Market Stainton 1837-1911 Martin by Horncastle 1837-1911 Miningsby 1851-1911 Moorby 1851-1911 Panton 1851-1911 Ranby 1837-1911 Roughton 1851-1911 Salmonby 1851-1911 Somersby 1837-1911 Sotby 1851-1911 Tattershall 1851-1911 Tetford 1837-1911 (some marriages incomplete) Thimbleby 1837-1911 Thornton by Horncastle 1837-1911 Waddingworth 1851-1884 (no more marriages after) West Ashby 1837-1911 West Barkwith 1851-1911 Wispington 1851-1911 Winceby 1851-1911 Wood Enderby 1851-1911 Woodhall 1851-1911 Woodhall Spa (Langton St Andrew) 1859-1911 Wragby 1851-1911 Horncastle Wesleyan Methodist (Queen Street) 1851-1911 (many marriages incomplete and some missing) Coningsby Dogdyke Road Wesleyan Chapel 1900-1011 This completes Horncastle Registration District from the registers deposited at Lincolnshire Archives. http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/index.html Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk

In most cases church records show baptism date. Some may be annotated with a birth date but only a few. Regards Graham -----Original Message----- From: ENG-LINCSGEN [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces+gtmt11=ntlworld.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Violet Hecnar Sent: 05 February 2017 21:47 To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Birth vs.Baptism Dates My ggrandmother Elizabeth Mary Wright always celebrated her birthday on Feb 7th. She died on a Feb 7th as well. The family would always comment through the years that great grandma died on her birth date. Several years ago I sent for her birth certificate. Imagine our surprise when it revealed that she was actually born on a Jan 29 1861 and baptized Feb 7th 1861. Death and burial dates can also cause confusion. Violet Sent from my iPad ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Assumptions are all part and parcel of ancestry . The further back you go the more assumptions you may have to make. At the end of the day we all want to be accurate. The only way you can assure authenticity is actually check the records personally. This can take many years. It can be expensive and very time consuming. One thing I have learnt in 25 years is that nothing can be taken on face value. I had put assumptions on my tree only to find that they have found their way onto so called public trees and yes, some companies then send me information which basically says they have perfect matches. Yes my tree information matches with my tree information! Rootsweb message groups have been invaluable in my searches , worldwide. I have been amazed just how often someone has responded thousands of miles from me to give me a lead which I have been able to follow. Advice, from seasoned researchers has again proved invaluable and much appreciated. Often assumptions have to be made because of gaps in records or no records existing at all. I say take nothing on face value, respect replies from others, always thank them for their support BUT always then attempt to follow up a prove the findings yourself. The IGI is valuable but it is made up from contributions. If something is suggested you must find out if it is correct yourself. In some cases (but not all ) records exist back to 1538 , beyond that BTs and Wills are possible sources of information. The truth is out there if you are willing to take the time and effort. But beware you could be persuaded "The truth, the whole truth and everything but the truth"...Beware ! Best thing to do is record your tree on a private ancestry programme. This will prevent your research being hacked and purloined. I once saw a notice in a used car sales room. It said " Never Assume"........perhaps that's a good slogan for genealogy!! Graham Taylor -----Original Message----- From: ENG-LINCSGEN [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces+gtmt11=ntlworld.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lr_mills@mauimail.com Sent: 05 February 2017 20:55 To: eng-lincsgen Subject: [LIN] Admin. note: Assumptions Hello, Missing Lincs, This is a good month to check your assumptions. I note that on another mailing list there is discussion over a burial recorded in a church register. Remember, it was the church that recorded baptisms and burials. In the church's philosophy, your life is bracketed by when you were baptised and when you were buried. Didn't really matter to them when you were born. Or even, to a small extent when you died. Most of our ancestors were baptised within a few weeks of birth, but sometimes mom waited until hubby came home from a long fishing trip or a military venture. A few of our ancestors were baptised twice. No harm, no foul, but it might confuse the family historian. And normally, you only got one burial. Social custom was that the deceased would be buried within three days of death, but exceptions abound. And if you fell off of your fishing boat and were lost at sea, there was no burial. Now, a death certificate would have been in order after Civil Registration came into effect, but anyone of legal age could be an informant of a death, and what was recorded was often their "best guess" as to your age, etc. Oh, and first names for children weren't always cast in stone either. "Little Johnny" could be recorded that way on a Civil Registration record, but as "Cyrus John BLOXTON" on a baptism record. And introduced to the church congregation at a Christening as "Fergus C. BLOXTON" a few weeks later. I have a family tree full of ancestors born under one set of names, but recorded in the census under other sets of names. Why? Did the family not like the tradition of Cyrus John BLOXTON III? I'll probably never know. So, examine your assumptions. My step dad, by the way, didn't know until he was an adult how his first name was recorded on his birth certificate. He'd never seen it and didn't think he needed to. So what is your "real" name? Have you looked? Or do you just tell people that the courthouse burned down. Yeah, I've heard that one a few times. Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When our daughter was approaching 5 we needed a birth certificate for school enrollment.  When it arrived we found that the date on it was 9th December.  We knew she was born on the 10th. In those days the registration in New Zealand was done from the records in the hospital where the birth took place. We had called the local hospital sister at home about 2am on the 10th to open the very small rural maternity hospital as there were no other babies there at the time. As she was to be paid from the start of her shift, 10pm on the 9th, she signed all documents as of the 9th!!   Mike  Kawerau 3127 NZ casofilia@xtra.co.nz

I have a Lincolnshire record that was out of order in the register - her death was added later. Accurate? Hmmm, perhaps. In a message dated 2/5/2017 4:16:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, markbarcelona@hotmail.com writes: more a case of parish clergymen forgetting to make entries in the appropriate register

Hello Lou, You are right about some people getting baptised a lot later than the usual few days or weeks. Joseph ABBOTT, for example, was born about 1811 at Driby but waited until December 1879 to get baptised at Louth. He took some finding! Several ancestors appear never to have bothered getting baptised at all, but I suspect that is more a case of parish clergymen forgetting to make entries in the appropriate register. What a shame! Best wishes, Mark in Catalonia, Spain Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: ENG-LINCSGEN <eng-lincsgen-bounces+markbarcelona=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of lr_mills@mauimail.com <lr_mills@mauimail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 9:55 PM To: eng-lincsgen Subject: [LIN] Admin. note: Assumptions Hello, Missing Lincs, This is a good month to check your assumptions. I note that on another mailing list there is discussion over a burial recorded in a church register. Remember, it was the church that recorded baptisms and burials. In the church's philosophy, your life is bracketed by when you were baptised and when you were buried. Didn't really matter to them when you were born. Or even, to a small extent when you died. Most of our ancestors were baptised within a few weeks of birth, but sometimes mom waited until hubby came home from a long fishing trip or a military venture. A few of our ancestors were baptised twice. No harm, no foul, but it might confuse the family historian. And normally, you only got one burial. Social custom was that the deceased would be buried within three days of death, but exceptions abound. And if you fell off of your fishing boat and were lost at sea, there was no burial. Now, a death certificate would have been in order after Civil Registration came into effect, but anyone of legal age could be an informant of a death, and what was recorded was often their "best guess" as to your age, etc. Oh, and first names for children weren't always cast in stone either. "Little Johnny" could be recorded that way on a Civil Registration record, but as "Cyrus John BLOXTON" on a baptism record. And introduced to the church congregation at a Christening as "Fergus C. BLOXTON" a few weeks later. I have a family tree full of ancestors born under one set of names, but recorded in the census under other sets of names. Why? Did the family not like the tradition of Cyrus John BLOXTON III? I'll probably never know. So, examine your assumptions. My step dad, by the way, didn't know until he was an adult how his first name was recorded on his birth certificate. He'd never seen it and didn't think he needed to. So what is your "real" name? Have you looked? Or do you just tell people that the courthouse burned down. Yeah, I've heard that one a few times. Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

enrolment unless American On 05/02/2017, Mike Wells <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > When our daughter was approaching 5 we needed a birth certificate for school > enrollment.  When it arrived we found that the date on it was 9th December. >  We knew she was born on the 10th. > > In those days the registration in New Zealand was done from the records in > the hospital where the birth took place. > > We had called the local hospital sister at home about 2am on the 10th to > open the very small rural maternity hospital as there were no other babies > there at the time. > > As she was to be paid from the start of her shift, 10pm on the 9th, she > signed all documents as of the 9th!! > > Mike > Kawerau 3127 > NZ > > casofilia@xtra.co.nz > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My ggrandmother Elizabeth Mary Wright always celebrated her birthday on Feb 7th. She died on a Feb 7th as well. The family would always comment through the years that great grandma died on her birth date. Several years ago I sent for her birth certificate. Imagine our surprise when it revealed that she was actually born on a Jan 29 1861 and baptized Feb 7th 1861. Death and burial dates can also cause confusion. Violet Sent from my iPad

Hello, Missing Lincs, This is a good month to check your assumptions. I note that on another mailing list there is discussion over a burial recorded in a church register. Remember, it was the church that recorded baptisms and burials. In the church's philosophy, your life is bracketed by when you were baptised and when you were buried. Didn't really matter to them when you were born. Or even, to a small extent when you died. Most of our ancestors were baptised within a few weeks of birth, but sometimes mom waited until hubby came home from a long fishing trip or a military venture. A few of our ancestors were baptised twice. No harm, no foul, but it might confuse the family historian. And normally, you only got one burial. Social custom was that the deceased would be buried within three days of death, but exceptions abound. And if you fell off of your fishing boat and were lost at sea, there was no burial. Now, a death certificate would have been in order after Civil Registration ! came into effect, but anyone of legal age could be an informant of a death, and what was recorded was often their "best guess" as to your age, etc. Oh, and first names for children weren't always cast in stone either. "Little Johnny" could be recorded that way on a Civil Registration record, but as "Cyrus John BLOXTON" on a baptism record. And introduced to the church congregation at a Christening as "Fergus C. BLOXTON" a few weeks later. I have a family tree full of ancestors born under one set of names, but recorded in the census under other sets of names. Why? Did the family not like the tradition of Cyrus John BLOXTON III? I'll probably never know. So, examine your assumptions. My step dad, by the way, didn't know until he was an adult how his first name was recorded on his birth certificate. He'd never seen it and didn't think he needed to. So what is your "real" name? Have you looked? Or do you just tell people that the courthouse burned down. Yeah, I've heard that one a few times. Lou (list admin.)

> On 13/11/2016, at 12:41 AM, Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> wrote: > > It's good to get the list back again! > > There is an error in the Boston and Horncastle Registration districts. I > have sent new spreadsheets and introductions to the chap who hosts the > website for me but they may not appear immediately. > > Thornton le Fen aka Wildmore is in Boston Registration District but has been > included in Horncastle RD. Thornton by Horncastle is missing from the > Horncastle RD introduction. I have now put the Wildmore marriages > (1837-1900) into the Boston RD spreadsheet and added Thornton by Horncastle > into the Horncastle RD intro. Thornton by Horncastle seems not to have been > transcribed but will be done from 1837 to 1911 when I get to the "T"s. > > The history of Wildmore Fen is complicated. This is the explanation given by > Lincolnshire Archives: > > "Wildmore was formed as a parish in 1880 from the fen allotments of West > Ashby, Horncastle, Mareham on the Hill, Moorby, Roughton, Thimbleby, High > Toynton, Low Toynton and Wood Enderby, and detached parts of Bolingbroke, > Coningsby, Haltham, Tattershall, Tattershall Thorpe, Thornton le Fen, > Toynton All Saints and Wilksby. The documents mainly refer to the chapel at > Thornton le Fen, which was built in 1816 and became part of the consolidated > parish of Wildmore." > > The registers for Wildmore begin in 1816 for baptisms and 1818 for marriages > and burials. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pam Downes and Barbara Roberts wrote, in part: > Hi Denny, > > [...] > > I'm fairly certain that they married either in a non-confirmist church or > at Louth Register Office, in which case the only way you'll be able to find > details of the marriage is to buy the certificate. I remember Anne Cole > saying ages ago that the page numbers in a quarter were allocated in alpha > order of parish, with the later numbers for marriages in non-conformist > churches and then the Register Office (or else Register office and then > non-conformist. I've found out that page 1285 relates to South Thoresby > amd 1291 is Wyham cum Cadeby. page number 1292 either hasn't been used or > else neither name on the page has yet been transcribed to FreeBMD. > Swaby marriage registers are complete on the Lincolnshire Marriage Index to > 1911, so they definitely didn't marry there. > > Pam > Pam, thank you for taking the time to reply, and to remind my 82-year-old mind about what can be found in the GRO's "Page" reference related to marriages. Using FreeBMD Indexing (on-line) and the GRO Marriage Index entry: Thomas Albert TAYLOR and Jane LOWE; Dec qtr 1897; Louth Reg Dist, Vol 7a, Page 1294 ... one can, indeed, see that "Page 1294" will be assigned after "Page 1291" which was given to Wyham cum Cadeby. And as you say this leaves the possibility of a "Page" that still has to be indexed (possibly a marriage in Yarborough Parish) or as you point out, at a non-conformist church or the Louth Register Office. Barbara Roberts also wrote, in part: > In England from 1835 to 1907 it was illegal to marry your dead wife's > sister. So if they are your family, maybe they got married where they > wouldn't be recognised, maybe register office. Barbara, thank you for your posting. While I was aware of the prohibition against the groom marrying his wife's sister, I was not aware of the date range. As they say, one is never too old to learn! A sincere "thanks" to both, Denny (Perth, Ontario)

Hi Denny In England from 1835 to 1907 it was illegal to marry your dead wife's sister. So if they are your family, maybe they got married where they wouldn't be recognised, maybe register office. The Stamford Mercury item says they were both of Whitepit. I would send for the marriage certificate to see if it helps. Barbara On 17 January 2017 at 16:03, Denny Lowe <heldenlowe@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Greetings, Listers... > > Jane LOW, d/o John and Mary (nee Bailey) LOW was born at Eastville 11 Jan > 1841. I have Jane's birth certificate, and have her in the 1841 and 1851 > Censuses. I do NOT have her in the 1861 thru 1891 Censuses, nor have I > found a suitable death or burial record. > > Jane had an older sister, Elizabeth Cooper LOW, baptised 8 Dec 1833, > Wainfleet St. Mary. Possibly born at Partney (1851 Census). Elizabeth > married Thomas Albert TAYLOR, s/o John, 4 Apr 1867, Wrangle. Thomas Albert > and Elizabeth Cooper TAYLOR are found at Swaby in the 1871 thru 1891 > Censuses. In 1901 and 1911, Thomas Albert's wife is shown as "Jane" born > at Old Bolingbroke. (There has been no sign of any issue in the Censuses.) > > An Elizabeth TAYLOR is to be found in The LFHS' "Parish Register Burials > 1813-1900" : Elizabeth TAYLOR aged 61 of Whitepit in Swaby, buried 23 Feb > 1896. I believe this "clears the way" for Thomas Albert to marry a second > wife... > > There are GRO Marriage Index entries: Thomas Albert TAYLOR and Jane LOWE; > Dec qtr 1897; Louth Reg Dist, Vol 7a, Page 1294. > > I cannot find any sign of this marriage on FreeREG or in the Lincolnshire > Post 1837 Marriage Index. Thus, I have not identified the names of the > bride's and groom's father, and I may be conflating two Janes (or Thomas > Alberts, for that matter). > > Chris Lowis, in his LOWIS_LOWE LINCOLNSHIRE Public Tree on Ancestry, gives > 18 Oct 1897, Louth, Lincolnshire for this marriage. He states "Details > form the Stamford Mercury and Lincolnshire Chronicle, both dated 22 Oct > 1897 via Findmypast. The marriage does not appear in the St James, St > Michael or Holy Trinity Marriage Registers." > > Can anyone please help point me to the missing documentation, or help fill > in any of the documentation gaps? > > Denny, Perth Ontario. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Denny, If you look at the 'how long married' in the 1911 census, Albert and Jane say they have been married for 14 years which would fit an 1897 marriage. (Give or take a few months. <g>) I'm fairly certain that they married either in a non-confirmist church or at Louth Register Office, in which case the only way you'll be able to find details of the marriage is to buy the certificate. I remember Anne Cole saying ages ago that the page numbers in a quarter were allocated in alpha order of parish, with the later numbers for marriages in non-conformist churches and then the Register Office (or else Register office and then non-conformist. I've found out that page 1285 relates to South Thoresby amd 1291 is Wyham cum Cadeby. page number 1292 either hasn't been used or else neither name on the page has yet been transcribed to FreeBMD. Swaby marriage registers are complete on the Lincolnshire Marriage Index to 1911, so they definitely didn't marry there. Pam On 17 January 2017 at 16:03, Denny Lowe <heldenlowe@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Greetings, Listers... > > Jane LOW, d/o John and Mary (nee Bailey) LOW was born at Eastville 11 Jan > 1841. I have Jane's birth certificate, and have her in the 1841 and 1851 > Censuses. I do NOT have her in the 1861 thru 1891 Censuses, nor have I > found a suitable death or burial record. > > Jane had an older sister, Elizabeth Cooper LOW, baptised 8 Dec 1833, > Wainfleet St. Mary. Possibly born at Partney (1851 Census). Elizabeth > married Thomas Albert TAYLOR, s/o John, 4 Apr 1867, Wrangle. Thomas Albert > and Elizabeth Cooper TAYLOR are found at Swaby in the 1871 thru 1891 > Censuses. In 1901 and 1911, Thomas Albert's wife is shown as "Jane" born > at Old Bolingbroke. (There has been no sign of any issue in the Censuses.) > > An Elizabeth TAYLOR is to be found in The LFHS' "Parish Register Burials > 1813-1900" : Elizabeth TAYLOR aged 61 of Whitepit in Swaby, buried 23 Feb > 1896. I believe this "clears the way" for Thomas Albert to marry a second > wife... > > There are GRO Marriage Index entries: Thomas Albert TAYLOR and Jane LOWE; > Dec qtr 1897; Louth Reg Dist, Vol 7a, Page 1294. > > I cannot find any sign of this marriage on FreeREG or in the Lincolnshire > Post 1837 Marriage Index. Thus, I have not identified the names of the > bride's and groom's father, and I may be conflating two Janes (or Thomas > Alberts, for that matter). > > Chris Lowis, in his LOWIS_LOWE LINCOLNSHIRE Public Tree on Ancestry, gives > 18 Oct 1897, Louth, Lincolnshire for this marriage. He states "Details > form the Stamford Mercury and Lincolnshire Chronicle, both dated 22 Oct > 1897 via Findmypast. The marriage does not appear in the St James, St > Michael or Holy Trinity Marriage Registers." > > Can anyone please help point me to the missing documentation, or help fill > in any of the documentation gaps? > > Denny, Perth Ontario. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Greetings, Listers... Jane LOW, d/o John and Mary (nee Bailey) LOW was born at Eastville 11 Jan 1841. I have Jane's birth certificate, and have her in the 1841 and 1851 Censuses. I do NOT have her in the 1861 thru 1891 Censuses, nor have I found a suitable death or burial record. Jane had an older sister, Elizabeth Cooper LOW, baptised 8 Dec 1833, Wainfleet St. Mary. Possibly born at Partney (1851 Census). Elizabeth married Thomas Albert TAYLOR, s/o John, 4 Apr 1867, Wrangle. Thomas Albert and Elizabeth Cooper TAYLOR are found at Swaby in the 1871 thru 1891 Censuses. In 1901 and 1911, Thomas Albert's wife is shown as "Jane" born at Old Bolingbroke. (There has been no sign of any issue in the Censuses.) An Elizabeth TAYLOR is to be found in The LFHS' "Parish Register Burials 1813-1900" : Elizabeth TAYLOR aged 61 of Whitepit in Swaby, buried 23 Feb 1896. I believe this "clears the way" for Thomas Albert to marry a second wife... There are GRO Marriage Index entries: Thomas Albert TAYLOR and Jane LOWE; Dec qtr 1897; Louth Reg Dist, Vol 7a, Page 1294. I cannot find any sign of this marriage on FreeREG or in the Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index. Thus, I have not identified the names of the bride's and groom's father, and I may be conflating two Janes (or Thomas Alberts, for that matter). Chris Lowis, in his LOWIS_LOWE LINCOLNSHIRE Public Tree on Ancestry, gives 18 Oct 1897, Louth, Lincolnshire for this marriage. He states "Details form the Stamford Mercury and Lincolnshire Chronicle, both dated 22 Oct 1897 via Findmypast. The marriage does not appear in the St James, St Michael or Holy Trinity Marriage Registers." Can anyone please help point me to the missing documentation, or help fill in any of the documentation gaps? Denny, Perth Ontario.

Can't help there, George. My Wards came from Allington & Bridport in Dorset Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: ENG-LINCSGEN [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces+ceejay=outlook.com.au@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of George Jamieson Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2017 3:17 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] PADMAN Family 1750 to 1850 Hi Chris, Sorry to break into this thread. I have a Ward connection early 1900s in Bardney, Lincs. Wondering if you do as well ??? George

Following on from Ann's message, I have an Eleanor PATMAN, daughter of William PATMAN, born around 1779 in Doncaster and baptised there in 1882. She married Joseph WHITE, a boatwright, in Spalding in 1808.She had 3 sisters that I know of, baptised in Doncaster between 1775 and 1780:one of them, Hannah, married a William BARLEY in Moulton 14 April 1800, so it looks like the family moved to Lincolnshire in the late 1700s. Perhaps you should have a look in Doncaster and surrounding area. Regards Lesley Aveyron, France ----- Original Message ----- From: eng-lincsgen-request@rootsweb.com To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 16 January, 2017 3:08:23 AM Subject: ENG-LINCSGEN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 7 Send ENG-LINCSGEN mailing list submissions to eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/eng-lincsgen or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eng-lincsgen-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at eng-lincsgen-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ENG-LINCSGEN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: PADMAN Family 1750 to 1850 (Anne Cole) 2. Re: Samuel Parker of Boston (Susan Reynolds) To contact the ENG-LINCSGEN list administrator, send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-LINCSGEN mailing list, send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.

Hi Chris, Sorry to break into this thread. I have a Ward connection early 1900s in Bardney, Lincs. Wondering if you do as well ??? George -----Original Message----- From: ENG-LINCSGEN [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces+georgejamieson=btconnect.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Meredith Sent: 16 January 2017 16:34 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] PADMAN Family 1750 to 1850 A smattering of newspaper articles relating to the Lincoln PADMANS - there are more, the following being accessed from the 'Findmypast' website - afraid it is subscription based. If you didn't already know - your John PADMAN senior was a gardener in his own right - perhaps a 'market gardner' who rented land in the City of Lincoln? Stamford Mercury, 20th September 1811 - Friday's Express Edition - Lincoln Death Notices. 'On Thursday last, whilst engaged in milking a cow, Susanna PADMAN, wife of John PADMAN, gardner, of this city, aged 53.' Stamford Mercury, 19th February 1813 - Friday's Express Edition - Lincoln Death Notices. 'On Wednesday the 10th, Mr. John PADMAN, of this City, gardener' Stamford Mercury, 28th December 1827 - Friday's Express Edition - Lincoln Death Notices. 'On Suday the 16th (or 18th) inst., Mr. John PADMAN, flaxdresser, of this City, aged 37, leaving a wife and five young children in a state of great distress.' Stamford Mercury, 16th January 1835 - Friday's Express Edition - Gainsborough Death Notices. 'At Gainsborough, on the 5th inst., Lois youngest daughter of the Rev. Thomas PADMAN, Wesleyan Minister.' St Swithin's - Lincoln John PADMAN, 37 yrs of Broadgate - buried 19 Dec 1827. David Meredith Nottingham ________________________________ From: ENG-LINCSGEN <eng-lincsgen-bounces+david.meredith=live.co.uk@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> Sent: 15 January 2017 22:18 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] PADMAN Family 1750 to 1850 Strange, there seem to me very few Padmans in Lincolnshire. One in the Christ Hospital School book (Enoch) and one inquest (Robert). The only Padmans in the Lincoln City Baps & Burs are the ones you have quoted, although it states that Susannah's age in the BTs is 54, different from the parish register. There are no other Padmans in any of the other bap/burial indexes. Several in the marriage indexes. They must have come in from somewhere else, but there are none in the Index to Settlement Certificates, although not many have survived for the Lincoln parishes. There is only one Swannack in the Lincoln City Baps/Burs, not Susannah, although that name is quite common in the Horncastle area. Alternatively could it be derived from PATMAN? I suggest a look at Family Search (IGI section) to see where the name appears in the 18th century. According to our index the marriage of John and Susannah took place on the 5th June 1781, not May - I just checked the online parish register and our index is correct. John Padman was able to sign his name, Susannah Swanack (sic) made her mark. We have indexed so much now that the scarcity of the name does point to their arriving from somewhere else. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: ENG-LINCSGEN [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces+anne.cole=ntlworld.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Ward Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:07 PM To: eng-lincsgen-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] PADMAN Family 1750 to 1850 I was searching for these details on this list seventeen years ago with limited success. I am asking the same questions again in the hope that in the time that has passed, new information could have been found or new list members may have some knowledge. I am seeking information concerning John Padman and his ancestors. John Padman was born about 1757 and married Susannah Swannack/Swanach on 5 May 1781 and was buried on 12 February 1813 at St. Swithins. At the time of his burial he was described as a gardener who lived at Back Lane parallel to Broadgate. Susannah Padman was buried on 14 September 1811 when her age was recorded as 53 years which would mean a birth about 1758. The couple had six known children all christened at St Swithin's Thomas 1785 (1810) 1855 married Ann Cawston Elizabeth 1787 (1808) married George Webster John 1790 (1812) 1827 married Mildred Towell Eleanor 1794 (1817) 1821 married Thomas Flatters Ann 1796 William 1799 (1842) 1845 he married Eliza Ann Dow and died in New Hampshire U.S.A. Thomas and William both became Methodist ministers. I am descended from one of Rev. Thomas' family members who came to Australia. Rev. William went to Nova Scotia and then New Hampshire There is very little known about the other siblings and nothing is known about John and Susannah's background or ancestors. ANY additional information will be very welcome Regards Chris ADELAIDE, South Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A smattering of newspaper articles relating to the Lincoln PADMANS - there are more, the following being accessed from the 'Findmypast' website - afraid it is subscription based. If you didn't already know - your John PADMAN senior was a gardener in his own right - perhaps a 'market gardner' who rented land in the City of Lincoln? Stamford Mercury, 20th September 1811 - Friday's Express Edition - Lincoln Death Notices. 'On Thursday last, whilst engaged in milking a cow, Susanna PADMAN, wife of John PADMAN, gardner, of this city, aged 53.' Stamford Mercury, 19th February 1813 - Friday's Express Edition - Lincoln Death Notices. 'On Wednesday the 10th, Mr. John PADMAN, of this City, gardener' Stamford Mercury, 28th December 1827 - Friday's Express Edition - Lincoln Death Notices. 'On Suday the 16th (or 18th) inst., Mr. John PADMAN, flaxdresser, of this City, aged 37, leaving a wife and five young children in a state of great distress.' Stamford Mercury, 16th January 1835 - Friday's Express Edition - Gainsborough Death Notices. 'At Gainsborough, on the 5th inst., Lois youngest daughter of the Rev. Thomas PADMAN, Wesleyan Minister.' St Swithin's - Lincoln John PADMAN, 37 yrs of Broadgate - buried 19 Dec 1827. David Meredith Nottingham ________________________________ From: ENG-LINCSGEN <eng-lincsgen-bounces+david.meredith=live.co.uk@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> Sent: 15 January 2017 22:18 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] PADMAN Family 1750 to 1850 Strange, there seem to me very few Padmans in Lincolnshire. One in the Christ Hospital School book (Enoch) and one inquest (Robert). The only Padmans in the Lincoln City Baps & Burs are the ones you have quoted, although it states that Susannah's age in the BTs is 54, different from the parish register. There are no other Padmans in any of the other bap/burial indexes. Several in the marriage indexes. They must have come in from somewhere else, but there are none in the Index to Settlement Certificates, although not many have survived for the Lincoln parishes. There is only one Swannack in the Lincoln City Baps/Burs, not Susannah, although that name is quite common in the Horncastle area. Alternatively could it be derived from PATMAN? I suggest a look at Family Search (IGI section) to see where the name appears in the 18th century. According to our index the marriage of John and Susannah took place on the 5th June 1781, not May - I just checked the online parish register and our index is correct. John Padman was able to sign his name, Susannah Swanack (sic) made her mark. We have indexed so much now that the scarcity of the name does point to their arriving from somewhere else. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: ENG-LINCSGEN [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces+anne.cole=ntlworld.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Ward Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:07 PM To: eng-lincsgen-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] PADMAN Family 1750 to 1850 I was searching for these details on this list seventeen years ago with limited success. I am asking the same questions again in the hope that in the time that has passed, new information could have been found or new list members may have some knowledge. I am seeking information concerning John Padman and his ancestors. John Padman was born about 1757 and married Susannah Swannack/Swanach on 5 May 1781 and was buried on 12 February 1813 at St. Swithins. At the time of his burial he was described as a gardener who lived at Back Lane parallel to Broadgate. Susannah Padman was buried on 14 September 1811 when her age was recorded as 53 years which would mean a birth about 1758. The couple had six known children all christened at St Swithin's Thomas 1785 (1810) 1855 married Ann Cawston Elizabeth 1787 (1808) married George Webster John 1790 (1812) 1827 married Mildred Towell Eleanor 1794 (1817) 1821 married Thomas Flatters Ann 1796 William 1799 (1842) 1845 he married Eliza Ann Dow and died in New Hampshire U.S.A. Thomas and William both became Methodist ministers. I am descended from one of Rev. Thomas' family members who came to Australia. Rev. William went to Nova Scotia and then New Hampshire There is very little known about the other siblings and nothing is known about John and Susannah's background or ancestors. ANY additional information will be very welcome Regards Chris ADELAIDE, South Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris - although I can't add any information about the PADMAN family, in the 18th century my SWANNACK ancestors were living in Reepham and Branston.  However, I can't identify a Susanna in my family to match your dates - incidentally, was she recorded as a spinster or widow?  On the other hand, my 5xgreat-grandfather William SWANNACK's sister Mary married a William FLATTERS in 1788 at Timberland, and their children were baptized in the Dunston/Waddington area.  William FLATTERS's youngest brother (William was born 1766, the first child of their parents' marriage) was named Thomas, and he was baptized in 1786 at Nocton - so he may have been Eleanor's husband if he survived infancy.  I know little more about the family at this time, but William SWANNACK is recorded as owning properties in Nettleham and Reepham in 1799. John