In memory of John CARTER ,born Brant Broughton Lins on the 06 Mar 1869 to Simon CARTER and Hannah CARTER nee TOWERS Served with the 1st Battalion Leicestershire Regiment from 11 May 1886 - 10 Mar 1898 Also served with the Canadian Expedition Forces. 85th Nova Scotia Highlanders from 05 Oct 1915 to 31 Oct 1919 My Wife's Grandfather Died 21 Nov 1941 Halifax Nova Scotia Canada Bill Stratton Cole Harbour Nova Scotia Canada

In memory of Percy Walker, born in Grimsby on 21 Mar 1923. He died on 23 Feb 1943 while serving on the MV Eulima. They were torpedoed on the way to North America. He was my first cousin, once removed. His parents were Percy Walker and Charlotte Elliott who married in Grimsby in 1917. His father served in the 7th Field Company, Royal Engineers in WWI. Chris Andrew Ontario, Canada

Hi Phil - problem nearly solved I think.  I agree with Margaret it is likely that Francis was registered in his mother's maiden name. I too found the marriage for William in 1848 which could have been after Francis was born. I followed the census from 1871 - 1901 for Eliza and William Gresham . In 1901 Eliza is shown as Elizth but her address is still in Naan Street (no.17). In the household below (no.18) is a Francis  - occupn. tailor but I could not make sense of the surname it looked like Walsworth ot Watsworth - ancestry have deciphered it as Vatsworth. I could not find any earlier entries for anything like Walsworth ot Watsworth. Sooooo... Margaret's Cotsworth looks to be the one to go for. I know that my father in law had to produce a birth certificate for his apprenticeship when he was 16 and as a result he was registered at that stage in 1927 - born 1911. Maybe Francis discovered at this stage the name he was registered under. Happy hunting. Pat ________________________________ From: Phil at Angelic Aromas <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> To: Lincs Genealogy <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 10 November, 2011 21:39:19 Subject: [LIN] What happened to Frank/Francis GRESHAM I am having problems finding Francis GRESHAM after the 1861 census. According to the 1851 Census Francis was lodging with his parents William & Eliza with the Whitelaw family at Barrow on Humber.  His age is noted as 3 and born "City, Lincolnshire".  In 1861 he was apprenticed to Thomas Axtell in Lincoln, age 13 and Lincoln is his birthplace. I can't find any record of his birth, baptism or death. Francis's brother, William, my great grandfather, named his eldest son Francis, who in turn named his son Francis and so on down to my eldest nephew.  I think Francis (b 1848) died young and William used the name is honour of his brother. Any help tracking down the fate of Francis will be much appreciated. Phil                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Margaret, It's amazing what another pair of eyes can do. Francis Pell COTSWORTH married Lucy GRIFFITHS in 1896 and in the 1901 Census FPCs occupation is tailor. Many thanks for your help > From: magmom@rogers.com > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:41:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [LIN] What happened to Frank/Francis GRESHAM > > Possible scenario??? Perhaps Francis was a child of a previous marriage of > Eliza, or even illegitimate? There is a marriage on Free BMD- Marriages Jun > 1848 (>99%) > GRESHAM William Lincoln 14869 > The only Eliza on the same page is Eliza COTSWORTH > > Free BMD have a child: > Francis Peel Cotsworth > Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1847 > Registration district:Lincoln Volume:14 Page:430 > > Whether this is the same couple I don't know. Do you have their marriage > details? > Margaret Taylor (Toronto) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas" <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> > To: "Lincs Genealogy" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:39 PM > Subject: [LIN] What happened to Frank/Francis GRESHAM > > I am having problems finding Francis GRESHAM after the 1861 census. > > According to the 1851 Census Francis was lodging with his parents William > > & Eliza with the Whitelaw family at Barrow on Humber. His age is noted as > > 3 and born "City, Lincolnshire". In 1861 he was apprenticed to Thomas > > Axtell in Lincoln, age 13 and Lincoln is his birthplace. > > I can't find any record of his birth, baptism or death. > > Francis's brother, William, my great grandfather, named his eldest son > > Francis, who in turn named his son Francis and so on down to my eldest > > nephew. I think Francis (b 1848) died young and William used the name is > > honour of his brother. > > Any help tracking down the fate of Francis will be much appreciated. > > Phil > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret, You may be right, I have looked in the bastardy records compiled by Ann Cole with no success (Eliza's maiden name was COTSWORTH). The marriage you have noted is correct, they were married on 13 June 1848 in Nettleham. Whatever name he used Francis is very elusive! Many thanks Phil > From: magmom@rogers.com > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:41:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [LIN] What happened to Frank/Francis GRESHAM > > Possible scenario??? Perhaps Francis was a child of a previous marriage of > Eliza, or even illegitimate? There is a marriage on Free BMD- Marriages Jun > 1848 (>99%) > GRESHAM William Lincoln 14869 > The only Eliza on the same page is Eliza COTSWORTH > > Free BMD have a child: > Francis Peel Cotsworth > Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1847 > Registration district:Lincoln Volume:14 Page:430 > > Whether this is the same couple I don't know. Do you have their marriage > details? > Margaret Taylor (Toronto) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas" <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> > To: "Lincs Genealogy" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:39 PM > Subject: [LIN] What happened to Frank/Francis GRESHAM > > I am having problems finding Francis GRESHAM after the 1861 census. > > According to the 1851 Census Francis was lodging with his parents William > > & Eliza with the Whitelaw family at Barrow on Humber. His age is noted as > > 3 and born "City, Lincolnshire". In 1861 he was apprenticed to Thomas > > Axtell in Lincoln, age 13 and Lincoln is his birthplace. > > I can't find any record of his birth, baptism or death. > > Francis's brother, William, my great grandfather, named his eldest son > > Francis, who in turn named his son Francis and so on down to my eldest > > nephew. I think Francis (b 1848) died young and William used the name is > > honour of his brother. > > Any help tracking down the fate of Francis will be much appreciated. > > Phil > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am having problems finding Francis GRESHAM after the 1861 census. According to the 1851 Census Francis was lodging with his parents William & Eliza with the Whitelaw family at Barrow on Humber. His age is noted as 3 and born "City, Lincolnshire". In 1861 he was apprenticed to Thomas Axtell in Lincoln, age 13 and Lincoln is his birthplace. I can't find any record of his birth, baptism or death. Francis's brother, William, my great grandfather, named his eldest son Francis, who in turn named his son Francis and so on down to my eldest nephew. I think Francis (b 1848) died young and William used the name is honour of his brother. Any help tracking down the fate of Francis will be much appreciated. Phil

Phew, that sounds like a "go". Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Horton" <pat.horton@btinternet.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] What happened to Frank/Francis GRESHAM Hi Phil - problem nearly solved I think. I agree with Margaret it is likely that Francis was registered in his mother's maiden name. I too found the marriage for William in 1848 which could have been after Francis was born. I followed the census from 1871 - 1901 for Eliza and William Gresham . In 1901 Eliza is shown as Elizth but her address is still in Naan Street (no.17). In the household below (no.18) is a Francis - occupn. tailor but I could not make sense of the surname it looked like Walsworth ot Watsworth - ancestry have deciphered it as Vatsworth. I could not find any earlier entries for anything like Walsworth ot Watsworth. Sooooo... Margaret's Cotsworth looks to be the one to go for. I know that my father in law had to produce a birth certificate for his apprenticeship when he was 16 and as a result he was registered at that stage in 1927 - born 1911. Maybe Francis discovered at this stage the name he was registered under. Happy hunting. Pat ________________________________ From: Phil at Angelic Aromas <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> To: Lincs Genealogy <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 10 November, 2011 21:39:19 Subject: [LIN] What happened to Frank/Francis GRESHAM I am having problems finding Francis GRESHAM after the 1861 census. According to the 1851 Census Francis was lodging with his parents William & Eliza with the Whitelaw family at Barrow on Humber. His age is noted as 3 and born "City, Lincolnshire". In 1861 he was apprenticed to Thomas Axtell in Lincoln, age 13 and Lincoln is his birthplace. I can't find any record of his birth, baptism or death. Francis's brother, William, my great grandfather, named his eldest son Francis, who in turn named his son Francis and so on down to my eldest nephew. I think Francis (b 1848) died young and William used the name is honour of his brother. Any help tracking down the fate of Francis will be much appreciated. Phil ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Possible scenario??? Perhaps Francis was a child of a previous marriage of Eliza, or even illegitimate? There is a marriage on Free BMD- Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%) GRESHAM William Lincoln 14869 The only Eliza on the same page is Eliza COTSWORTH Free BMD have a child: Francis Peel Cotsworth Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1847 Registration district:Lincoln Volume:14 Page:430 Whether this is the same couple I don't know. Do you have their marriage details? Margaret Taylor (Toronto) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas" <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Lincs Genealogy" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:39 PM Subject: [LIN] What happened to Frank/Francis GRESHAM > I am having problems finding Francis GRESHAM after the 1861 census. > According to the 1851 Census Francis was lodging with his parents William > & Eliza with the Whitelaw family at Barrow on Humber. His age is noted as > 3 and born "City, Lincolnshire". In 1861 he was apprenticed to Thomas > Axtell in Lincoln, age 13 and Lincoln is his birthplace. > I can't find any record of his birth, baptism or death. > Francis's brother, William, my great grandfather, named his eldest son > Francis, who in turn named his son Francis and so on down to my eldest > nephew. I think Francis (b 1848) died young and William used the name is > honour of his brother. > Any help tracking down the fate of Francis will be much appreciated. > Phil

Thanks Pat. Which parish was it? Regards Geoff -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia McCrory Sent: 07 November 2011 20:49 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] HALLER of north Lincs / south Yorks Hello Geoff   There is a Joseph HALLAS who married Hannah MIDGLEY on 25th April 1790.  Might be of some use in your research.   Pat       ________________________________ From: Geoff Blyth <gltrblyth@btconnect.com> To: eng-lin-axholme@rootsweb.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 7 November 2011, 18:57 Subject: [LIN] HALLER of north Lincs / south Yorks Hi All, I'm wondering if anyone can offer suggestions regarding where the HALLERS came from before 1770. They tend to straddle the Yorks/Lincs border -  with a large branch in Hull which started in the late 18th century. The earliest record I have is a marriage in 1770 in Thorne, Yorks. There are quite a few later records of them scattered around the Isle of Axholme and north Lincs and south Yorks. The only theory I'm left with is that, when they moved to Thorne, the vicar of their new parish decided to spell their name a different way from their previous parish & vicar. The name is pronounced with a long 'a' not a short one. So there are occasional variations that are spelt HORLER / HAWLER / HOLAH etc. So I'm looking for; Richard H... born about 1745-1750 who married in Thorne on 20th March 1770 and didn't have the first 4 of his 8 children christened there (Anne chr. circa 1770, Unknown, possibly Richard, chr. circa 1774, Elizabeth chr. circa 1776 & Unknown, possibly John, chr. circa 1777). They were mostly Ag. Labs, so perhaps couldn't afford the fee. Don't think they were nonconformists. Thomas H... born about 1748-1753 who married in Thorne on 23rd Nov 1773. Presumably a brother of Richard. Mary H... born circa 1764 and buried at Epworth Joseph H... born circa 1764 and buried at Belton Joseph H... born circa 1781 in Lincolnshire and buried at Osgodby, Yorks. I haven't found any wills - I think they were too poor. Any advice would be appreciated. ALSO - I have some early original documents which have miraculously survived, and which follow a chain of ownership of land in Belton, Lincs, and I can provide details if anyone is interested. They are; Conveyance, ROBSON to EAST, 1744 Will of Richard EAST of Belton 1767 Deed of feoffment, EVRATT to COY, 1773 Lease for a year, Richard EAST to Richard WINTER, 1788 Mortgage, Richard WINTER to Messrs JACKSON & others, 1791 Bargain & sale, John COY to Thomas GERVAS, 1819 (& release upon trust 1819) Will of Richard WINTER of Belton, 1828 Epworth Court baon, Eliz. WINTER, 1828 Conveyance, LIGHTFOOT to George HALLER, 1846 BURTWHISTLE and JOHNSON also crop up. I believe the COYS are a 'cross border' family as well. There is more, later stuff, some with south Yorks connections, but I haven't worked my way through it yet. It appears to be of lesser interest than the above. Regards Geoff Blyth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Terry for this. Brenda On 7 November 2011 20:09, Terry Wells <terry.wells@talktalk.net> wrote: > If this in fact the same building, there is a bit of history of its time as > a theological college at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Theological_College > > > Regards, > > Terry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil at Angelic Aromas [mailto:phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:55 PM > To: Lincs Genealogy > Subject: Re: [LIN] Michaelgate Lincoln > > www.angelicaromas.co.uk info@angelicaromas.co.uk > think that must be the County Hospital on Drury Lane. It was opened in the > late 18th Century and continued until the 1870s. THe hospital grounds > bordered most of the west side of Michaelgate. The building is still in > existence and, following its life as a hospital, became a theological > college, I think it is now part of the University of Lincoln > Phil > > > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:24:11 +0000 > > From: ellis-b@sky.com > > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LIN] Michaelgate Lincoln > > > > Hello > > On the 1871 census I have an ancestor who is a patient in the Michaelgate > > Hospital, Lincoln. > > Can anyone tell me anything about this hospital please. > > Regrads > > Brenda > > > > -- > > ellis-b@sky.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ellis-b@sky.com

Hello Geoff   There is a Joseph HALLAS who married Hannah MIDGLEY on 25th April 1790.  Might be of some use in your research.   Pat       ________________________________ From: Geoff Blyth <gltrblyth@btconnect.com> To: eng-lin-axholme@rootsweb.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 7 November 2011, 18:57 Subject: [LIN] HALLER of north Lincs / south Yorks Hi All, I'm wondering if anyone can offer suggestions regarding where the HALLERS came from before 1770. They tend to straddle the Yorks/Lincs border -  with a large branch in Hull which started in the late 18th century. The earliest record I have is a marriage in 1770 in Thorne, Yorks. There are quite a few later records of them scattered around the Isle of Axholme and north Lincs and south Yorks. The only theory I'm left with is that, when they moved to Thorne, the vicar of their new parish decided to spell their name a different way from their previous parish & vicar. The name is pronounced with a long 'a' not a short one. So there are occasional variations that are spelt HORLER / HAWLER / HOLAH etc. So I'm looking for; Richard H... born about 1745-1750 who married in Thorne on 20th March 1770 and didn't have the first 4 of his 8 children christened there (Anne chr. circa 1770, Unknown, possibly Richard, chr. circa 1774, Elizabeth chr. circa 1776 & Unknown, possibly John, chr. circa 1777). They were mostly Ag. Labs, so perhaps couldn't afford the fee. Don't think they were nonconformists. Thomas H... born about 1748-1753 who married in Thorne on 23rd Nov 1773. Presumably a brother of Richard. Mary H... born circa 1764 and buried at Epworth Joseph H... born circa 1764 and buried at Belton Joseph H... born circa 1781 in Lincolnshire and buried at Osgodby, Yorks. I haven't found any wills - I think they were too poor. Any advice would be appreciated. ALSO - I have some early original documents which have miraculously survived, and which follow a chain of ownership of land in Belton, Lincs, and I can provide details if anyone is interested. They are; Conveyance, ROBSON to EAST, 1744 Will of Richard EAST of Belton 1767 Deed of feoffment, EVRATT to COY, 1773 Lease for a year, Richard EAST to Richard WINTER, 1788 Mortgage, Richard WINTER to Messrs JACKSON & others, 1791 Bargain & sale, John COY to Thomas GERVAS, 1819 (& release upon trust 1819) Will of Richard WINTER of Belton, 1828 Epworth Court baon, Eliz. WINTER, 1828 Conveyance, LIGHTFOOT to George HALLER, 1846 BURTWHISTLE and JOHNSON also crop up. I believe the COYS are a 'cross border' family as well. There is more, later stuff, some with south Yorks connections, but I haven't worked my way through it yet. It appears to be of lesser interest than the above. Regards Geoff Blyth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If this in fact the same building, there is a bit of history of its time as a theological college at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Theological_College Regards, Terry -----Original Message----- From: Phil at Angelic Aromas [mailto:phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:55 PM To: Lincs Genealogy Subject: Re: [LIN] Michaelgate Lincoln www.angelicaromas.co.uk info@angelicaromas.co.uk think that must be the County Hospital on Drury Lane. It was opened in the late 18th Century and continued until the 1870s. THe hospital grounds bordered most of the west side of Michaelgate. The building is still in existence and, following its life as a hospital, became a theological college, I think it is now part of the University of Lincoln Phil > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:24:11 +0000 > From: ellis-b@sky.com > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Michaelgate Lincoln > > Hello > On the 1871 census I have an ancestor who is a patient in the Michaelgate > Hospital, Lincoln. > Can anyone tell me anything about this hospital please. > Regrads > Brenda > > -- > ellis-b@sky.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Phil for this info. Brenda On 6 November 2011 22:55, Phil at Angelic Aromas <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk > wrote: > > > > www.angelicaromas.co.uk info@angelicaromas.co.uk > Tel: 0845 1306355I think that must be the County Hospital on Drury Lane. > It was opened in the late 18th Century and continued until the 1870s. THe > hospital grounds bordered most of the west side of Michaelgate. The > building is still in existence and, following its life as a hospital, > became a theological college, I think it is now part of the University of > Lincoln > Phil > > > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:24:11 +0000 > > From: ellis-b@sky.com > > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LIN] Michaelgate Lincoln > > > > Hello > > On the 1871 census I have an ancestor who is a patient in the Michaelgate > > Hospital, Lincoln. > > Can anyone tell me anything about this hospital please. > > Regrads > > Brenda > > > > -- > > ellis-b@sky.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ellis-b@sky.com

Hi All, I'm wondering if anyone can offer suggestions regarding where the HALLERS came from before 1770. They tend to straddle the Yorks/Lincs border - with a large branch in Hull which started in the late 18th century. The earliest record I have is a marriage in 1770 in Thorne, Yorks. There are quite a few later records of them scattered around the Isle of Axholme and north Lincs and south Yorks. The only theory I'm left with is that, when they moved to Thorne, the vicar of their new parish decided to spell their name a different way from their previous parish & vicar. The name is pronounced with a long 'a' not a short one. So there are occasional variations that are spelt HORLER / HAWLER / HOLAH etc. So I'm looking for; Richard H... born about 1745-1750 who married in Thorne on 20th March 1770 and didn't have the first 4 of his 8 children christened there (Anne chr. circa 1770, Unknown, possibly Richard, chr. circa 1774, Elizabeth chr. circa 1776 & Unknown, possibly John, chr. circa 1777). They were mostly Ag. Labs, so perhaps couldn't afford the fee. Don't think they were nonconformists. Thomas H... born about 1748-1753 who married in Thorne on 23rd Nov 1773. Presumably a brother of Richard. Mary H... born circa 1764 and buried at Epworth Joseph H... born circa 1764 and buried at Belton Joseph H... born circa 1781 in Lincolnshire and buried at Osgodby, Yorks. I haven't found any wills - I think they were too poor. Any advice would be appreciated. ALSO - I have some early original documents which have miraculously survived, and which follow a chain of ownership of land in Belton, Lincs, and I can provide details if anyone is interested. They are; Conveyance, ROBSON to EAST, 1744 Will of Richard EAST of Belton 1767 Deed of feoffment, EVRATT to COY, 1773 Lease for a year, Richard EAST to Richard WINTER, 1788 Mortgage, Richard WINTER to Messrs JACKSON & others, 1791 Bargain & sale, John COY to Thomas GERVAS, 1819 (& release upon trust 1819) Will of Richard WINTER of Belton, 1828 Epworth Court baon, Eliz. WINTER, 1828 Conveyance, LIGHTFOOT to George HALLER, 1846 BURTWHISTLE and JOHNSON also crop up. I believe the COYS are a 'cross border' family as well. There is more, later stuff, some with south Yorks connections, but I haven't worked my way through it yet. It appears to be of lesser interest than the above. Regards Geoff Blyth

Hi Karen Peoples ages on the census or life events are only as accurate as the informants knowledge (or honesty) She may have her birth registered in Lambeth Sept qtr 1895 but she is enumerated as 19 in 1911 There are no other births registered for a Winifred Daisy SMEDLEY 1892 or otherwise so I would suggest its one and the same person birth, 1901 & 1911, Brixton is approx 1 mile from Stockwell Her parents would have entered her birthplace in 1901, her employer would have done so in 1911, then her age is either what her employer thought (guessed) it was or what she told him it was As there are no other obvious Winifred D SMEDLEY marriages (although there are Winifred SMEDLEY marriages) I would say the chances are the marriage to WALTON is the one you seek and that he or whoever was the informant at her death registration was misinformed as to her birth date Particularly if her husband died before her and they had no children Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi David > I though that could have been here, but her birth was registered in Sept qtr > of 1895 > But thank you anyway :) > > Karen

Hi Nivard She was 5 on 1901 and her birth on 1901 is given as Stockwell I have ordered her birth cert today and its from September qtr 1895 and from Lambeth, hopefully from that I will be able to use her birth to check it against the death records on ancestry, and work back from there But thank you anyway :) Karen

Hi David I though that could have been here, but her birth was registered in Sept qtr of 1895 But thank you anyway :) Karen

Hi Karen Winifred Daisy SMEDLEY is in Rotherhithe in 1911, a housemaid for a Mr Charles Hewett SISMAN She is listed as 19 years old born Brixton Surrey At 1911 England Census Summary Books about Sisman Name: Sisman Number of Males: 3 Number of Females: 6 Household schedule number: 28 Street Address: 198 Lower Road Civil parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: Rotherhithe St Barnabas County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey) Registration District Number: 3 Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe Sub-Registration District Number: 3 ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 68 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi > I have hit a brick wall.. Well more a case of vanishing person > My fathers aunt died a couple of weeks ago and me and dad got chatting and > he said in all the years that you have been doing this tree thing you have > never found Auntie Winnie and Uncle Ben, it appears that he met them a > couple of time at his great grans in the 1950's, all he could tell me was > that she was tall and was in her late 50's > Well I have done a bit of digging and I have found her birth in Lambeth in > 1895 - Winifred Daisy SMEDLEY - > She is the daughter of Annie SKINNER nee WILSON and William SMEDLEY - both > from CROWLAND - its was the second marriage for both of them, > Winifred is on 1901 with her mum and dad and my great Gran (Ada SKINNER) > living on Fletton Ave Peterborough - just up the road from where I live now > - so go forward 10 years and Annie is now a Widow living in Alma Road, > Peterborough, and Ada is now married to my Great granfather, but no sign of > WINIFRED DAISY SMEDLEY, there is no record of her death during this time and > it seems that she has just vanished, I have looked for a marriage and cant > find nothing. > I have ordered her birth cert this morning and hope that might help > Any ideas what to do next > > Karen

Hi Karen Winifred D Smedley married William H Walton 6/1942 Sheffield 9c 1665 Winifred Daisy Walton died 5/1987 Sheffield v3 p1537 r587 dob 19.3.1896 hth David --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Karen Scott - Skarlettnoire <skarlettnoire@btconnect.com> wrote: From: Karen Scott - Skarlettnoire <skarlettnoire@btconnect.com> Subject: [LIN] CAN YOU HELP WITH MY BRICK WALL To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 7 November, 2011, 9:57 Hi I have hit a brick wall.. Well more a case of vanishing person My fathers aunt died a couple of weeks ago and me and dad got chatting and he said in all the years that you have been doing this tree thing you have never found Auntie Winnie and Uncle Ben, it appears that he met them a couple of time at his great grans in the 1950's, all he could tell me was that she was tall and was in her late 50's Well I have done a bit of digging and I have found her birth in Lambeth in 1895 - Winifred Daisy SMEDLEY - She is the daughter of Annie SKINNER nee WILSON and William SMEDLEY - both from CROWLAND - its was the second marriage for both of them, Winifred is on 1901 with her mum and dad and my great Gran (Ada SKINNER) living on Fletton Ave Peterborough - just up the road from where I live now - so go forward 10 years and Annie is now a Widow living in Alma Road, Peterborough, and Ada is now married to my Great granfather, but no sign of WINIFRED DAISY SMEDLEY, there is no record of her death during this time and it seems that she has just vanished, I have looked for a marriage and cant find nothing. I have ordered her birth cert this morning and hope that might help Any ideas what to do next Karen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I have hit a brick wall.. Well more a case of vanishing person My fathers aunt died a couple of weeks ago and me and dad got chatting and he said in all the years that you have been doing this tree thing you have never found Auntie Winnie and Uncle Ben, it appears that he met them a couple of time at his great grans in the 1950's, all he could tell me was that she was tall and was in her late 50's Well I have done a bit of digging and I have found her birth in Lambeth in 1895 - Winifred Daisy SMEDLEY - She is the daughter of Annie SKINNER nee WILSON and William SMEDLEY - both from CROWLAND - its was the second marriage for both of them, Winifred is on 1901 with her mum and dad and my great Gran (Ada SKINNER) living on Fletton Ave Peterborough - just up the road from where I live now - so go forward 10 years and Annie is now a Widow living in Alma Road, Peterborough, and Ada is now married to my Great granfather, but no sign of WINIFRED DAISY SMEDLEY, there is no record of her death during this time and it seems that she has just vanished, I have looked for a marriage and cant find nothing. I have ordered her birth cert this morning and hope that might help Any ideas what to do next Karen