On 7/01/2012 7:00 PM, eng-lincsgen-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: GREEN x WETTLEBOURN (Brian Varrall) > 2. Re: Richards (Elizabeth Lee Pugh) > 3. Another ROYCE (Michael Wells) > 4. Re: Another ROYCE (Correction!!) (Michael Wells) > 5. William Lanes FLETCHER in 1891 (Diana Robinson) > > > > To contact the ENG-LINCSGEN list administrator, send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-LINCSGEN mailing list, send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4726 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > Thanks Elizabeth, will try the BMD. I don't know a lot about this family, William Henry could have been born before they married but I don't think so as they were married July 1873. I don't think we have a LDS Church in the area of Australia where I live but will check. Thanks for your help. Regards Barbara. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Hi Listers, Visiting the LINCSGEN List to ask for advice. I have been trying to track down the daughter of one Thomas Allen GLENN and Meenie Mary TOTHILL. The couple had two children and Jessie K. was there second daughter. I found a record of a marriage overseas of a Jessie K. GLENN to a John W.H. PEART and a few years later, in 1958, a marriage of a Jessie K. PEART to one Roy PANTON. Roy would seem to have lived in Lincolnshire and may have lived recently in Grimsby. There seems to be an electoral reference to a Roy and Jessie K. PANTON in 2002.  I found that a Roy PANTON was born in 1936 and I knew that Jessie K. GLENN was born in 1919. This may be guesswork and I may have the wrong people. But it would be nice to clear this up one way or the other. Negative answers are not always bad! Any help or suggestions would be gratefully accepted. Best wishes in this New Year, Charles

I think you are in a wide ranging club Barbara Many people take up the hobby when most of the people who could answer our questions have passed away Or is it that we take it up because we can't get answers to our questions :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Thanks Nivard, > Will keep on looking and have found a couple of possibles which I am > going to check out. I don,t know much about this family and am sorry I > never thought to talk to my Dad about them before he died, I didn,t > become interested in family history until I retired and by then most of > my older relatives had passed on. > Thanks again for your help. > > Barbara in Australia.

Hi, Charles,     Well, you've got one big problem and that is that many records in the UK are protected by a "100 year" closure regulation to protect people's privacy.  Many professional genealogists sign a document when they join a professional group that certifies that they will not look up possibly living people.  I know if you revealed such information in the US, we'd all be waiting for the lawyers to sharpen their knives and to open up their wallets waiting for the money to flow in.     Now, that's not to say it's impossible.    I'm amazed at all the "private" information that appears on the Web.  And there are those who flaunt such regulations.  Problem is, they can get the list shut down if they are blatant enough to post via the list.  Our hosts don't want any legal problems.  So the best I can tell you is, Good luck.  And please understand if we can't help you.       Lou (list admin.) ________________________________ From: Charles Gunther <cwegunther@yahoo.com> To: "ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com" <ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: [LIN] Roy and Jessie K. PANTON Hi Listers, Visiting the LINCSGEN List to ask for advice. I have been trying to track down the daughter of one Thomas Allen GLENN and Meenie Mary TOTHILL. The couple had two children and Jessie K. was there second daughter. I found a record of a marriage overseas of a Jessie K. GLENN to a John W.H. PEART and a few years later, in 1958, a marriage of a Jessie K. PEART to one Roy PANTON. Roy would seem to have lived in Lincolnshire and may have lived recently in Grimsby. There seems to be an electoral reference to a Roy and Jessie K. PANTON in 2002.  I found that a Roy PANTON was born in 1936 and I knew that Jessie K. GLENN was born in 1919. This may be guesswork and I may have the wrong people. But it would be nice to clear this up one way or the other. Negative answers are not always bad! Any help or suggestions would be gratefully accepted. Best wishes in this New Year, Charles ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello from NZ again   There is a Joseph ROYCE who was christened in Market Deeping in 1807.  I cannot find him on the censuses nor a death before 1841.  (Sorry this should have been Josiah)   I wondered if there is a death for him in Market Deeping before registration began??   Thanks again   Mike  (Another senior moment!!)

Hello from NZ again   There is a Joseph ROYCE who was christened in Market Deeping in 1807.  I cannot find him on the censuses nor a death before 1841.   I wondered if there is a death for him in Market Deeping before registration began??   Thanks again   Mike

----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Varrall" <brian@varrall.net> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] GREEN x WETTLEBOURN Many thanks for that inspired find Bernie. I see the same family group were in Grantham in 1871 too, so with everything seeming to fit you may well have hit on the lady. I wonder if dialect had anything to do with the mutation between Kettleborrow and Wettlebourn. Very likely but after checking and transcribing thousands of PR entries I worked on the following *bourne can be misread for borro(w) There are many variants in Lincs and Yorks for Kettle******* & it was not much of a leap in the dark to go to Kettleburn/bourn & then to Kettleborrow Seriously bad writing somewhere! Bernie Kind regards Brian 50°44.6" N 04°00.6" W On 6 Jan 2012, at 16:43, bernard kettlewell wrote: > Brian > Try > Ada I Kettleborrow born 1865 Thornton le Clay Yorks > on the 1881 on line census > > Bernie > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My G Grandad James Richards 1850 lived with his wife Harriet Gertrude Simpson 1851in St. Martin, Lincs. I found them on the relevant census's along with their children William Henry 1874, Charles Edward 1875, Jane Elizabeth 1878,Alice Gertrude 1880 - 1882, James 1883, Herbert 1887 and Edith Mary 1890. On the 1911 census it says they had 9 children but only 6 living, I've managed to find the 7 mentioned but can't find the other 2 who obviously died young. Would there be records made of still born babies ? These two must have been born and died between census's at some time. Any help with this would be much appreciated. Barbara. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Many thanks for that inspired find Bernie. I see the same family group were in Grantham in 1871 too, so with everything seeming to fit you may well have hit on the lady. I wonder if dialect had anything to do with the mutation between Kettleborrow and Wettlebourn. Kind regards Brian 50°44.6" N 04°00.6" W On 6 Jan 2012, at 16:43, bernard kettlewell wrote: > Brian > Try > Ada I Kettleborrow born 1865 Thornton le Clay Yorks > on the 1881 on line census > > Bernie >

Thanks for the reply Joan. Although the GREEN link is one step removed from my principal (NEWBATT) interest I may well do that, if only to satisfy curiosity. I just wondered if the name WETTLEBOURN rang any bells. Regards Brian 50°44.6" N 04°00.6" W On 6 Jan 2012, at 14:05, Joan Van Daalen wrote: > Brian, FreeBMD has the marriage recorded in the June qtr of 1890 at Grantham > 7a, page 929. I suggest you send for the marriage certificate which should > give you the names of the fathers of the bride and groom, along with other > useful info, eg the names of witnesses, often enlightening. It's well worth > the £9.00 or so, and should not take too long if ordered on-line. > > Good luck. Joan, in Newmarket, Canada. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Varrall" <brian@varrall.net> > To: <ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 6:17 PM > Subject: [LIN] GREEN x WETTLEBOURN > > > Greetings Lincs. > > The Marriage Index for Q2/1890 records a union between Valentine GREEN and > Ada Jane WETTLEBOURN, in Grantham RD. They can be seen on the 1891 census at > 5 Mill Lane, Bottesford, and from this and subsequent returns, Ada's pob > appears to be Thornton-le-Clay, Yorks., c1865. > > Problem is, I can't find any other record of that (Wettlebourn) surname or > anything remotely resembling it, either for Ada, Jane or any other > forename - and that applies not just to Yorkshire and Lincs., but anywhere > else, at any time. > > I believe Valentine died in 1893 and that Ada remarried a Frederick William > ROBINSON in 1896, appearing on the 1901 return at 19 St Peter’s Hill, > Grantham. > > The presence of an Ada Jane ROBINSON with matching date and pob in the 1871 > & 1881 census returns for Thornton, Yorks. is, I hope entirely flukey! > > Can anyone throw any light on the name WETTLEBOURN, or am I still suffering > from a surfeit of brandy butter? > > Brian > 50°44.6" N > 04°00.6" W > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Brian 50°44.6" N 04°00.6" W

William Lanes Fletcher was born Twenty-fifth August 1849 in Donnington on Baine, first-born child of William Dawson FLETCHER and Jane Stubley/Stubelday/other varied spellings. He married Sarah Dean in 1973. In 1881 they are in Kirkby Cum Osgodby along with their first two children, William G. and Walter. (A third son, Fred, was born 1882.) In 1891 Sarah, William G. and Fred are in Kirby Cum Osgoodby, but William Lanes is not. In 1901 William Lanes Fletcher and Sara are together. In 1881 he was listed as "machine man" and family legend has that the family tended to own/run farming machines that would hired by farmers according to the time of year, so there may be a good reason for William Lanes Fletcher to be away from home. He and Sarah are together in 1901, but my question - can anyone find William Lanes in 1891, please? Thank you. Happy hunting! Diana Robinson (nee Gardner) Now in Rochester, NY, USA

Brian Try Ada I Kettleborrow born 1865 Thornton le Clay Yorks on the 1881 on line census Bernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Van Daalen" <jvandaal@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] GREEN x WETTLEBOURN Brian, FreeBMD has the marriage recorded in the June qtr of 1890 at Grantham 7a, page 929. I suggest you send for the marriage certificate which should give you the names of the fathers of the bride and groom, along with other useful info, eg the names of witnesses, often enlightening. It's well worth the £9.00 or so, and should not take too long if ordered on-line. Good luck. Joan, in Newmarket, Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Varrall" <brian@varrall.net> To: <ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 6:17 PM Subject: [LIN] GREEN x WETTLEBOURN Greetings Lincs. The Marriage Index for Q2/1890 records a union between Valentine GREEN and Ada Jane WETTLEBOURN, in Grantham RD. They can be seen on the 1891 census at 5 Mill Lane, Bottesford, and from this and subsequent returns, Ada's pob appears to be Thornton-le-Clay, Yorks., c1865. Problem is, I can't find any other record of that (Wettlebourn) surname or anything remotely resembling it, either for Ada, Jane or any other forename - and that applies not just to Yorkshire and Lincs., but anywhere else, at any time. I believe Valentine died in 1893 and that Ada remarried a Frederick William ROBINSON in 1896, appearing on the 1901 return at 19 St Peter’s Hill, Grantham. The presence of an Ada Jane ROBINSON with matching date and pob in the 1871 & 1881 census returns for Thornton, Yorks. is, I hope entirely flukey! Can anyone throw any light on the name WETTLEBOURN, or am I still suffering from a surfeit of brandy butter? Brian 50°44.6" N 04°00.6" W ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Barbara Try looking through Free BMD and seeing what children named RICHARDS were born and died as infants/young children between the censuses. There are a few who could have belonged to your RICHARDS family. Look at the "gap" years between the births of children known to have lived as this family seems to have had their children close together. I would suggest between Charles and Jane and between James and Herbert, and possibly between Herbert and Edith..... Maybe if you know more about James and Harriet's families you will be familiar with possible/probable given names for their children. I did not find a birth reg for William Henry in the Lincoln reg dist - was he born before the parents marriage? You could also go to your local LDS church and see if they have a Family History Centre - if they do then you could order the relevant PRs on film and check for baptisms/burials for children in this family. OR, you could send away for copies of birth and/or death certs of ones you think might be yours (a bit costly) but I know in the past you could specify who the parents should be. I don't know if this option is still available. Good luck Elizabeth Pugh Yukon Canada

Hi Barbara Firstly stillbirths were not registered before 1927 However much depends on the understanding of the rules by the person filling in the 1911 schedule The question in 1911 was :- Children born *alive* to present marriage (sub questions) Total children born alive Children still living Children who have died Answers expressed in numbers I have found several schedules where the person included all children, even to more than one marriage, I have also found total children including a known stillbirth (knowledge from a burial where stillbirths are sometimes recorded) So if the mother considered that any stillbirths were her children (as she had carried them to full term but were delivered dead) it is possible she included them in the total It is always a very emotive issue and what caring husband would refuse his wifes desire to record those children? As I mentioned it may be worth checking for burials but far from all stillbirths burials were recorded, they were often just put in with another burial and not recorded I would exhaust any possible birth registrations and baptisms first Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > My G Grandad James Richards 1850 lived with his wife Harriet Gertrude > Simpson 1851in St. Martin, Lincs. I found them on the relevant census's > along with their children William Henry 1874, Charles Edward 1875, Jane > Elizabeth 1878,Alice Gertrude 1880 - 1882, James 1883, Herbert 1887 and > Edith Mary 1890. On the 1911 census it says they had 9 children but > only 6 living, I've managed to find the 7 mentioned but can't find the > other 2 who obviously died young. Would there be records made of still > born babies ? These two must have been born and died between census's at > some time. > Any help with this would be much appreciated. > Barbara.

Yes, here here. Let's look forward to the next 22 years for this brilliant FHS Richard Brown Sent from my iPad LFHS member On 6 Jan 2012, at 09:31, "Anne Cole" <duncalf@one-name.org> wrote: > Happy 22nd Birthday Lincolnshire FHS - founded 6 January 1990. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Congratulations Anne ! And Many Thanks for all the hard work you do on our behalf ! Best Wishes & Happy New Year ! Roger Partridge. -------------------- On 6 Jan 2012, at 09:31, Anne Cole wrote: > Happy 22nd Birthday Lincolnshire FHS - founded 6 January 1990. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > >

Hello John   Thank you, that helps, the family moved from Exton in Rutland to Market Deeping between 1802 and 1807 I think.   I am hoping that Jemima was unmarried!!! She did have an illegitimate daughter Mary Jane NUTT (ROYCE) in 1836. Mike Kawerau 3127 casofilia@xtra.co.nz Hello again Mike   The Elizabeth ROYCE who died in 1844 (5th Dec) in Bourne Reg District was aged 72, according to the burial record.  A Mark ROYCE died aged 55 in March 1819 (so he was born 1764!) at Deeping St James.  A Jemima ROYCE died November 1870 at Market Deeping, aged 69, and if she was unmarried, she was not baptized in Deeping; however, a Josiah ROYCE son of Mark and Elizabeth was baptized at Market Deeping in October 1807.   John ________________________________

And so say all of us who have benefited from it over the years! On 6 January 2012 09:31, Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> wrote: > Happy 22nd Birthday Lincolnshire FHS - founded 6 January 1990. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Jean Swinbank*

Helo From NZ again   In 1841 Elizabeth ROYCE (65) is living in Mkt Deeping with who I assume is her daugter Jemima (35) both ages I also assume are rounded.  I think she probably died in the Dec Q 1844 (Bourn 14 198)   Is anyone able to confirm that Elizabeth was the wife of Mark ROYCE who was born in 1764 in Exton Rutland?  If so, did Mark die in Mkt Deeping before compulsory registration?   Is anyone able to add anything about any of these three people, please?   Thank you Mike casofilia@xtra.co.nz

Happy 22nd Birthday Lincolnshire FHS - founded 6 January 1990. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk