I'd say "Ing-a-mulls" (i.e. as in "ring-er" rather than "in-got") with the emphasis on the "a". Simon ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2012, 9:52 Subject: Re: [LIN] sorry Hi Rita Actually although its spelled Ingoldmells, I have never heard it pronounced anything other than Ingamells (as in In-ga-mells) So you may still be right <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I think it is spelt Ingoldmells... been away- been away too long. Rita > in Germany ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

there is a place near Skegness called Ingallmells as you may know, perhaps his name was spelt like that at some time. Rita in Germany

Hi Rita Actually although its spelled Ingoldmells, I have never heard it pronounced anything other than Ingamells (as in In-ga-mells) So you may still be right <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I think it is spelt Ingoldmells... been away- been away too long. Rita > in Germany

Alan, In White's 1892 John INGAMELLS is described as a cottager and Walter Wm. TREVOR is the miller and baker at Whitepit so maybe John had retired by then Terry M Wells terry.wells@talktalk.net -----Original Message----- From: Louis Mills [mailto:louis_mills@att.net] Sent: 09 January 2012 17:50 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] INGAMELLS family Property records are hard to find, and most are in the local Archives Office. You might have some luck with Ordnance Survey maps which show the larger buildings in a parish. In White's 1872 Directory of Lincolnshire, there is an entry under "Swaby" (page 269) for: Ingamells John, corn miller and baker, Whitepit Lou (list admin.) ________________________________ From: Alan Booth <alanbooth170@btinternet.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 3:10 AM Subject: [LIN] INGAMELLS family Hello Lincs, Just joined in the hope of learning more about John INGAMELLS born 1816-1905, and his son William INGAMELLS 1848 who were Corm millers and Bakers of Whitepit Mill, near Swaby. I would like to learn more about the mill, which I believe was demolished in 1980s, and for how many years the INGAMELLS family were operating. Thanks in advance. Alan Booth, Glos -snip-

Terry M Wells terry.wells@talktalk.net -----Original Message----- From: Louis Mills [mailto:louis_mills@att.net] Sent: 09 January 2012 17:50 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] INGAMELLS family Property records are hard to find, and most are in the local Archives Office. You might have some luck with Ordnance Survey maps which show the larger buildings in a parish. In White's 1872 Directory of Lincolnshire, there is an entry under "Swaby" (page 269) for: Ingamells John, corn miller and baker, Whitepit Lou (list admin.) ________________________________ From: Alan Booth <alanbooth170@btinternet.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 3:10 AM Subject: [LIN] INGAMELLS family Hello Lincs, Just joined in the hope of learning more about John INGAMELLS born 1816-1905, and his son William INGAMELLS 1848 who were Corm millers and Bakers of Whitepit Mill, near Swaby. I would like to learn more about the mill, which I believe was demolished in 1980s, and for how many years the INGAMELLS family were operating. Thanks in advance. Alan Booth, Glos -snip-

G'day Just reading the Adelaide Sunday Mail 08.01.2011 There is information re the Sailing Ship "The Planter" One Lincs name which is CROSBY Daniel 27 years Beckingham Lincolnshire A lady in Adelaide Marjorie BROWN from Glenunga is a relative of the DURIEU family and Daniel CROSBY was stunned to learn of "BELL'S" Journal now published in a Book form this Book has been bought by the Adelaide State Libruary "Private Journal of James Bell, A Voyage to Australia. Help this may help somebody in their family History search Bridget South Australia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello Lincs, Just joined in the hope of learning more about John INGAMELLS born 1816-1905, and his son William INGAMELLS 1848 who were Corm millers and Bakers of Whitepit Mill, near Swaby. I would like to learn more about the mill, which I believe was demolished in 1980s, and for how many years the INGAMELLS family were operating. Thanks in advance. Alan Booth, Glos

Property records are hard to find, and most are in the local Archives Office.  You might have some luck with Ordnance Survey maps which show the larger buildings in a parish. In White's 1872 Directory of Lincolnshire, there is an entry under "Swaby" (page 269) for: Ingamells John, corn miller and baker, Whitepit     Lou (list admin.) ________________________________ From: Alan Booth <alanbooth170@btinternet.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 3:10 AM Subject: [LIN] INGAMELLS family Hello Lincs, Just joined in the hope of learning more about John INGAMELLS born 1816-1905, and his son William INGAMELLS 1848 who were Corm millers and Bakers of Whitepit Mill, near Swaby. I would like to learn more about the mill, which I believe was demolished in 1980s, and for how many years the INGAMELLS family were operating. Thanks in advance. Alan Booth, Glos -snip-

John, Your request Lost Ancestor of 4th January ... I replied to same with what I thought and hope is good info for you but it was refused twice and not finding the email address etc. I checked your message for email address and yes, I had sent it three times as it appears on your message. Today I have just received another no delivery mail stating the time had expired for their achieving a success. Can you let me have the email address so that I can check it against what appeared on the email to the List. Regards, RCR Oz.

Mick, Thanks for checking. The 1867 version sounds much better - even though a D has snuck into the surname. I'll have to view & print it ASAP (& also revise the update I put on Ancestry!!) I see that the same has happened with her baptism in that an N has got into the middle! This situation has reminded me in my occasional jaunts into in depth research I can also use the FreeREG/FreeBDM facilities, so thanks again. Peter Holmes Western Australia. Skype ; p.g.holmes [HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)]. [CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)] [FREER (Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N & S Kyme, N & S Rauceby, Surfleet, Gosberton Clough etc., Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada & some in New York & Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch). -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mick Claxton Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2012 4:10 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] John DAVISON b 1778 & his wife Alice UNKNOWN Hello Peter. I have checked the transcript for the Welton Le Marsh burials and the entries for DAVISON are correct. However there is one other entry that sounds like yours - 20th January 1867 Alice DAVIDSON age 89 of Welton. I have rechecked this against the register, and the spelling of the surname has been recorded correctly. >From the transcription of Hundlesby parish records, there is a baptism of Alice DICKINSON on 14th March 1779, the daughter of Thomas and Sarah.

Out-of-county reply sent off-list. ________________________________ From: Michael Wells <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> To: Michael Wells <casofilia@xtra.co.nz>; "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 6 January 2012, 23:57 Subject: Re: [LIN] Another ROYCE (Correction!!) Hello from NZ again   There is a Joseph ROYCE who was christened in Market Deeping in 1807.  I cannot find him on the censuses nor a death before 1841.  (Sorry this should have been Josiah)   I wondered if there is a death for him in Market Deeping before registration began??   Thanks again   Mike

Pam & others, Thanks for the response (quite late at night for you I imagine?) Of the 2 alternate birthplaces I believe Ashby Puerorum is most likely as it is the village immediately south of Salmonby & John's parents probably farmed between the 2 places. I have verified on FreeBMD & FreeREG his death in 2nd qtr 1861 The marriage has also been located, but for the life of me I can't find the birth nor death of Alice. For her birth I've perhaps got to get access to the PR for Hundleby? Her death is a strange affair. Whilst she is shown on the 1861 census with husband John I can't find a subsequent death in the mid/late 1860's. However, in Spilsby RD there is a FreeREG burial of an Alice DAVISON = #1 Record Type Burial Date Surname Forename County Place Name Burials 16 Sep 1860 DAVISON Alice Lincs Welton le Marsh. Person's name and place of residence are OK but have BOTH Ancestry and FreeREG transcribed it wrongly? (Alternatively, John entered wife on the 1861 census wrongly! (Perhaps he still missed her?) Peter Holmes Western Australia. Skype ; p.g.holmes [HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)]. [CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)] [FREER (Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N & S Kyme, N & S Rauceby, Surfleet, Gosberton Clough etc., Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada & some in New York & Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch). -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Downes Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2012 8:19 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] John DAVISON b 1778 & his wife Alice UNKNOWN Peter, you should know by conversations on the list about aitches being added and dropped at random, that Lincolnshire folk are lazy and that if they can save a couple of syllables they will do. <g> I refer you to the list of Lincolnshire Towns and parishes, compiled by our revered list owner, and found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/parishes.html Of the Ashbys listed, Ashby Puerorum and Ashby by Partney are both highly probable. FreeREG has a marriage of a John Davison and an Alice Dickison at West Keal on 24 Nov 1800. This may or may not be your John and Alice. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 07/01/2012 23:23, Peter HOLMES wrote: > G'day& happy new year form Western Australia, > > > > I have found the above in the 1841, 51& 61 census pages at Welton Le Marsh > & in "51 John shows his birthplace as "Salmonby" yet in '61 it looks like > "Ashby"& is recorded on Ancestry as such. > > > > Research so far shows the distance between these places as being about 30 > miles which is a bit too far for someone in later stages of life to be wrong > about birth places I would think. Was/is there somewhere closer to Salmonby > called Ashby? > > > > Regarding Alice, whose date of birth appears to be 1779/80 - shown in '41 as > "Alis" - she was born in Hundleby according to the 2 latter census pages but > is there any way of tracing their marriage which could give me her maiden > name (& possibly John's birthplace)? > > > > They seem to have had 4 children - Samuel, b 1804, John b 1807 Mary b 1808 > then Francis b 1823 who appears in '51 as a 28 y/o son born in Winceby& > working as a cordwainer. > > > > Peter Holmes > > Western Australia. Skype ; p.g.holmes > > [HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then > Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)]. > [CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire& Nottinghamshire)] [FREER > (Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT& WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N& S Kyme, N& S > Rauceby, Surfleet, Gosberton Clough etc., Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada > & some in New York& Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless > stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch). > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Peter. There are a number of DICKISON/DICKINSON entries in the Hundlesby registers. To date there are over 2 million entries for Lincolnshire on the FreeReg website. The FreeBMD project is close to completion now and most volunteers will hopefully carry on transcribing for FreeReg. Once that happens i expect a substantial increase in the number of Lincolnshire records we have online. Mick

Hi Renne, Sorry you are having problems. I did look at your response and your comment about WINEHURST being WINCHURST is correct. After George W deserted, he left his once wealthy family impoverished, so much so that Marrianne's wealthy family came to the rescue along with Millie BACON. George is said to have left his family after their last child Wilfred Austin Rylatt died 12 Jan 1889 at 9 months. Prior to the desertion, the RYLATT and WINCHURST families were involved in the gold and silver and jewelry trades, and my father, born abt 1900, left with my older brother several photos of property and other printed records of births and deaths, along with his recollection of various family members and events. So I am still trying to find out more about George after 1889. Have a great New Year! John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Redshaw" <redrose1@internode.on.net> To: <ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:20 AM Subject: [LIN] Request from John RYLATT - Lost Ancestor > John, > > Your request Lost Ancestor of 4th January ... > I replied to same with what I thought and hope is good info > for you but it was refused twice and not finding the email address > etc. I checked your message for email address and yes, I had sent > it three times as it appears on your message. > Today I have just received another no delivery mail stating the time > had expired for their achieving a success. > > Can you let me have the email address so that I can check it against > what appeared on the email to the List. > > Regards, > RCR Oz. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lou, Thanks for the advice and will gratefully take it. What I didn't want to do is to write a piece on the possible father of Jessie K. PANTON which shows that he was leading two lives at the same time. He claimed to be married to a British woman on the 1911 UK Census while he was also married an American woman on the 1910 US Census. I felt if I could find Jessie and see if the family knew about this situation then I wouldn't be causing a problem for the family. There is nothing in this for me. Basically an article came on on the subject and I was researching the same subject from a different angle. While the article didn't know, or chose to ignore, I found out by accident the dual life of a particular person. From your suggestion I think I will leave it at that and let the editor of the particular journal decide on whether to comment or not. May I add the family were not originally from Lincolnshire but Cheshire and the USA but living in North Wales - the journal is centred in Wales too. Also, of course, my research is guesswork and the route taken may well be inaccurate.  Thanks again and I think I won't ask any further questions. Best wishes, Charles ________________________________ From: Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> To: "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 7 January 2012, 22:52 Subject: Re: [LIN] Roy and Jessie K. PANTON Hi, Charles,     Well, you've got one big problem and that is that many records in the UK are protected by a "100 year" closure regulation to protect people's privacy.  Many professional genealogists sign a document when they join a professional group that certifies that they will not look up possibly living people.  I know if you revealed such information in the US, we'd all be waiting for the lawyers to sharpen their knives and to open up their wallets waiting for the money to flow in.     Now, that's not to say it's impossible.    I'm amazed at all the "private" information that appears on the Web.  And there are those who flaunt such regulations.  Problem is, they can get the list shut down if they are blatant enough to post via the list.  Our hosts don't want any legal problems.  So the best I can tell you is, Good luck.  And please understand if we can't help you.       Lou (list admin.) ________________________________ From: Charles Gunther <cwegunther@yahoo.com> To: "ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com" <ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: [LIN] Roy and Jessie K. PANTON Hi Listers, Visiting the LINCSGEN List to ask for advice. I have been trying to track down the daughter of one Thomas Allen GLENN and Meenie Mary TOTHILL. The couple had two children and Jessie K. was there second daughter. I found a record of a marriage overseas of a Jessie K. GLENN to a John W.H. PEART and a few years later, in 1958, a marriage of a Jessie K. PEART to one Roy PANTON. Roy would seem to have lived in Lincolnshire and may have lived recently in Grimsby. There seems to be an electoral reference to a Roy and Jessie K. PANTON in 2002.  I found that a Roy PANTON was born in 1936 and I knew that Jessie K. GLENN was born in 1919. This may be guesswork and I may have the wrong people. But it would be nice to clear this up one way or the other. Negative answers are not always bad! Any help or suggestions would be gratefully accepted. Best wishes in this New Year, Charles ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FYI, The infirmity column on the 1911 census household pages has now been opened up to view. If, over the years, you have paid to see households, you can now view the new information for free. You need to access your paid for pages via the "My Records" tab. Its worth checking things out. Happy hunting -- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society ) And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ ) very Lincolnshire Family History Society ) good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ ) company.

Hello Peter. I have checked the transcript for the Welton Le Marsh burials and the entries for DAVISON are correct. However there is one other entry that sounds like yours - 20th January 1867 Alice DAVIDSON age 89 of Welton. I have rechecked this against the register, and the spelling of the surname has been recorded correctly. >From the transcription of Hundlesby parish records, there is a baptism of Alice DICKINSON on 14th March 1779, the daughter of Thomas and Sarah. Mick. FreeReg co-ordinator for Lincolnshire

G'day & happy new year form Western Australia, I have found the above in the 1841, 51 & 61 census pages at Welton Le Marsh & in "51 John shows his birthplace as "Salmonby" yet in '61 it looks like "Ashby" & is recorded on Ancestry as such. Research so far shows the distance between these places as being about 30 miles which is a bit too far for someone in later stages of life to be wrong about birth places I would think. Was/is there somewhere closer to Salmonby called Ashby? Regarding Alice, whose date of birth appears to be 1779/80 - shown in '41 as "Alis" - she was born in Hundleby according to the 2 latter census pages but is there any way of tracing their marriage which could give me her maiden name (& possibly John's birthplace)? They seem to have had 4 children - Samuel, b 1804, John b 1807 Mary b 1808 then Francis b 1823 who appears in '51 as a 28 y/o son born in Winceby & working as a cordwainer. Peter Holmes Western Australia. Skype ; p.g.holmes [HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)]. [CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)] [FREER (Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N & S Kyme, N & S Rauceby, Surfleet, Gosberton Clough etc., Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada & some in New York & Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch).

Peter, you should know by conversations on the list about aitches being added and dropped at random, that Lincolnshire folk are lazy and that if they can save a couple of syllables they will do. <g> I refer you to the list of Lincolnshire Towns and parishes, compiled by our revered list owner, and found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/parishes.html Of the Ashbys listed, Ashby Puerorum and Ashby by Partney are both highly probable. FreeREG has a marriage of a John Davison and an Alice Dickison at West Keal on 24 Nov 1800. This may or may not be your John and Alice. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 07/01/2012 23:23, Peter HOLMES wrote: > G'day& happy new year form Western Australia, > > > > I have found the above in the 1841, 51& 61 census pages at Welton Le Marsh > & in "51 John shows his birthplace as "Salmonby" yet in '61 it looks like > "Ashby"& is recorded on Ancestry as such. > > > > Research so far shows the distance between these places as being about 30 > miles which is a bit too far for someone in later stages of life to be wrong > about birth places I would think. Was/is there somewhere closer to Salmonby > called Ashby? > > > > Regarding Alice, whose date of birth appears to be 1779/80 - shown in '41 as > "Alis" - she was born in Hundleby according to the 2 latter census pages but > is there any way of tracing their marriage which could give me her maiden > name (& possibly John's birthplace)? > > > > They seem to have had 4 children - Samuel, b 1804, John b 1807 Mary b 1808 > then Francis b 1823 who appears in '51 as a 28 y/o son born in Winceby& > working as a cordwainer. > > > > Peter Holmes > > Western Australia. Skype ; p.g.holmes > > [HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then > Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)]. > [CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire& Nottinghamshire)] [FREER > (Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT& WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N& S Kyme, N& S > Rauceby, Surfleet, Gosberton Clough etc., Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada > & some in New York& Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless > stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch). > > > > > >

On 6:59 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Barbara > > Firstly stillbirths were not registered before 1927 > > However much depends on the understanding of the rules by the person > filling in the 1911 schedule > > The question in 1911 was :- > > Children born *alive* to present marriage > (sub questions) > Total children born alive > Children still living > Children who have died > > Answers expressed in numbers > > I have found several schedules where the person included all children, > even to more than one marriage, I have also found total children > including a known stillbirth (knowledge from a burial where > stillbirths are sometimes recorded) > > So if the mother considered that any stillbirths were her children (as > she had carried them to full term but were delivered dead) it is > possible she included them in the total > > It is always a very emotive issue and what caring husband would refuse > his wifes desire to record those children? > > As I mentioned it may be worth checking for burials but far from all > stillbirths burials were recorded, they were often just put in with > another burial and not recorded > > I would exhaust any possible birth registrations and baptisms first > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >> My G Grandad James Richards 1850 lived with his wife Harriet Gertrude >> Simpson 1851in St. Martin, Lincs. I found them on the relevant census's >> along with their children William Henry 1874, Charles Edward 1875, Jane >> Elizabeth 1878,Alice Gertrude 1880 - 1882, James 1883, Herbert 1887 and >> Edith Mary 1890. On the 1911 census it says they had 9 children but >> only 6 living, I've managed to find the 7 mentioned but can't find the >> other 2 who obviously died young. Would there be records made of still >> born babies ? These two must have been born and died between census's at >> some time. >> Any help with this would be much appreciated. >> Barbara. > > Thanks Nivard, Will keep on looking and have found a couple of possibles which I am going to check out. I don,t know much about this family and am sorry I never thought to talk to my Dad about them before he died, I didn,t become interested in family history until I retired and by then most of my older relatives had passed on. Thanks again for your help. Barbara in Australia. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.