Thanks for the link to theTunnard Dickinson letter. I believe it is near Hamilton Ohio as my grgrandparents lived in the Oxford area and they were also farmers that rented. I for one would love to read your other letters. Jean in Mich. USA > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There might be a local or "district" census of the parish in 1821.  Typically, any census before 1841 just has the surname of the head of household and a count of males and females in various age brackets.  Sometimes you get lucky and the earlier census will have a full name of the head of household, or maybe just a first initial.  These early census results may be at the local Archives office, but they are of little use to the family historian. There may also be land-tax records from that period.  Again, these may list a parcel, the head of household's surname, and the amount of tax due.  They can be useful to pin down where a family was, because renters were listed, too, not just the owners. There may be records in the parish chest that refer to a family if the church paid them a few pence to keep them in bread.  And they may have been getting "out payment" via the existing Poorlaw system.  But it would be a local parish record since the poor law Unions didn't exist yet. Sometimes, in the church records, you will find confirmation lists that might mention one or more of the children.  And school logs, if they exist, may also mention the children.  Unfortunately, there was no requirement to archive confirmation records or school logs. I've had limited good luck with the land-tax records, but otherwise it is a tough period to find anything in other than a parish register.     Lou (list admin.) ________________________________ From: themindlady <themindlady@gmail.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 10:42 AM Subject: [LIN] Prison for poaching On looking on the Newspaper Archives site I came across the following reference for my 3xgreat grandfather, Joshua Fountain, in January 1821. "Wm. Fowler, late of Bardney, labourer and Joshua Fountain, late of the same, labourer, convicted of entering a wood in Tupholme in the night with guns to destroy game, were committed to the said house of correction to hard labour for two years." Would there be any record of this elsewhere, please? He was married with seven children at the time.  I presume that, in those days, granny would have gone to family or the House but 8 would be a lot for anybody to take in for two years. I don't suppose there would be records that early? Grateful for any help - Shay ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

(This didn't seem to get through, so trying again - sorry if it's a duplicate) I didn't catch the start of this conversation but I notice that people pointed to Sarsaparilla being the "sass". The reason for returning to this discussion is that there was a discussion that may be of interest on another group I manage way back in 2008 regarding Jimmy Ward's herbalist shop in Boston. Here are a few quotes from that discussion between people who remember the shop from when they were at school... "Anyone remember Jimmy's? It was a favourite lunch time haunt for some of us in the 60's." "I remember Jimmy Wards from the WW2 days Jimmy an ex Sgt major played an active role in the LDV{look duck and banish} Later the Home Gaurd. Mostly we met there after school or in my case detention for Saraparillos or ombos. We were also able to buy smokes or other necessities of life... The rear wall was covered with small boxes with exotic names. One I recall eas labelled Mouses Ear." " I remember the shop so well - it was close to where I lived and near the co-op stores. Some of you may well be referring to the "new" shop on the Emery Lane side of West Street, but I remember the old shop (or shed as we used to call it) on the other side of the road. Jimmy always had some wonderful tale to tell, and amused us with his little ditties and rhymes some of which I remember today (some 60 years on) but which may not be suitable for an internet posting! What a character! " "Yes I remember the "new" shop, not being long enough in the tooth for the old variety! I can remember it was a good spot for a safe smoke when the urge arose. My Dad actually made the mahogany counter top, bench seat along the wall, window and doors and other fittings for the new emporium when I was a lad. I think a hot sass was sixpence in those days." " Hot sarsaparilla & Jimmy in his grey shop coat. Remember it well." ...and before you ask, no I don't remember Jimmy's - too young I think :-)... but I do quite like Sarsaparilla! Simon -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Cook Sent: 01 February 2012 00:21 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Sass - Explanations Thank you to Jean, Lou and 'apoleary'  for their explanations. It looks as if 'Sassafras' is the correct answer, used for making root beer or root flavoured tea. Dorothy mentions it is garden produce, so not the impudent reply in this case. Never heard of it in England, we apparently used to make 'Nettle Tea' from Nettles gathered in the fields and hedgerows, I am sure a herbalist could tell me what we use in UK for making a similar beer. I used to love 'Dandelion and Burdock' lemonade, which was made from garden plants and weeds. Pat

On the subject of letters... I have mentioned this before on the list but there may be newcomers who might be interested. I have a copy of a letter written in 1849 by Tunnard Dickinson to his parents in Bicker after he and some other family members had emigrated to the USA. A transcription can be found at http://www.bluepig.plus.com/Simon/Genealogy/Documents/dickinson.htm. I have more details about the people and quite a few of the references in the letter if anyone wants to know about anything specific. I also have a transcription of a series of letters sent by my mother's cousin to my grandparents and my uncle. They are from the early years of WW2 and give some interesting details of his training in the RAF as a wireless operator/air gunner. They have lots of other interesting references to family, to Boston (and Amber Hill where his family lived) and to things happening in the various places he was stationed. Interestingly there are military details that I am sure would have been censored later in the war. A few years ago I started a project to expand on his references but I haven't revisited it for a long time. I may return to it, and may even try to compile a book at some point, so I don't want to make the full text public, but I may have a look to see if there is anything of particular genealogical interest and release a few extracts at some point. Simon -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Cook Sent: 26 January 2012 21:54 To: Louis Mills; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Admin. note: Old letters I have two collections of old letters, they are written by a brother and sister between about 1910 and 1916. ...

I didn't catch the start of this conversation but I notice that people pointed to Sarsaparilla being the "sass". The reason for returning to this discussion is that there was a discussion that may be of interest on another group I manage way back in 2008 regarding Jimmy Ward's herbalist shop in Boston. Here are a few quotes from that discussion between people who remember the shop from when they were at school... "Anyone remember Jimmy's? It was a favourite lunch time haunt for some of us in the 60's." "I remember Jimmy Wards from the WW2 days Jimmy an ex Sgt major played an active role in the LDV{look duck and banish} Later the Home Gaurd. Mostly we met there after school or in my case detention for Saraparillos or ombos. We were also able to buy smokes or other necessities of life... The rear wall was covered with small boxes with exotic names. One I recall eas labelled Mouses Ear." " I remember the shop so well - it was close to where I lived and near the co-op stores. Some of you may well be referring to the "new" shop on the Emery Lane side of West Street, but I remember the old shop (or shed as we used to call it) on the other side of the road. Jimmy always had some wonderful tale to tell, and amused us with his little ditties and rhymes some of which I remember today (some 60 years on) but which may not be suitable for an internet posting! What a character! " "Yes I remember the "new" shop, not being long enough in the tooth for the old variety! I can remember it was a good spot for a safe smoke when the urge arose. My Dad actually made the mahogany counter top, bench seat along the wall, window and doors and other fittings for the new emporium when I was a lad. I think a hot sass was sixpence in those days." " Hot sarsaparilla & Jimmy in his grey shop coat. Remember it well." ...and before you ask, no I don't remember Jimmy's - too young I think :-)... but I do quite like Sarsaparilla! Simon -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Cook Sent: 01 February 2012 00:21 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Sass - Explanations Thank you to Jean, Lou and 'apoleary'  for their explanations. It looks as if 'Sassafras' is the correct answer, used for making root beer or root flavoured tea. Dorothy mentions it is garden produce, so not the impudent reply in this case. Never heard of it in England, we apparently used to make 'Nettle Tea' from Nettles gathered in the fields and hedgerows, I am sure a herbalist could tell me what we use in UK for making a similar beer. I used to love 'Dandelion and Burdock' lemonade, which was made from garden plants and weeds. Pat

Thank you for the emails, both through the list and privately. Cannot mention everybody by name, but thanks for the feedback, and everybody seems to have enjoyed them. Dolly certainly wrote a good letter, and gave her mother and sisters a really good account of her life in Wellington. Thinking about it, she married into a very large family, which was probably a very good thing. When Walt apparently met her at the train station, took her home to meet his family it was a bit overwhelming but it also gave her instant friends. They all seemed very supportive of each over, lots of family meals, entertaining, parties, and support in the sad times. I know when Dolly was older and living in Denver, she wrote some sort of column in the local newspaper. I dont have copies of anything, or what she wrote about, but no doubt she would make them just as interesting as her letters. Now I must unwrap Joe's letters, Pat

I am doing a one name study on the name Quickfall , I have started to put my files into book form and wonder where is the best place to send a copy in Lincolnshire. Bev on Bribie Island Aus

Cove is a village now incorporated into Farnborough, Hants, adjacent to what used to be the Royal Aircraft Establishment - hence perhaps the reference to the 'flying ground'. It is indeed about 14 miles from Guildford. Alan Leng

Pat, Thanks so much for transcribing and, more importantly, sharing your letters from Dorothy with us. They have made wonderful reading with an insight into how different life was in comparison to life now. After the first letter, I have looked forward to reading the next and will now look forward to reading Joe's. Thanks again and regards, Linda In Bath, UK

Hi Something that may be of interest to see more modern photos of villages of interest is The geograph site at www.geograph.org.uk . The photos are based on the Ordnance survey grid squares. Put Sausthorpe into the search box and you get a few photos and the relevant OS map square John Firth Patricia McCrory wrote: > > Hello David > > On Lincs to the Past I can see six burials ranging from Henry in 1840 to Charles in 1897. They are all under 1813 - 1995 BURIALS. They are all lovely and clear to read. > > Good luck. > > Pat > > > > ________________________________ > From: "davidkeal1@dodo.com.au"<davidkeal1@dodo.com.au> > To: Lincsgen<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 12:46 > Subject: Re: [LIN] Where is/was Sausthorpe? > > Searching for my KEAL ancestors who lived in Sausthorpe. Any connections > would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Regards > David > > >

Hello Bev, I am sure that the Lincs FHS centre at Monks Way, Lincoln would be grateful for a copy. We have lots of pedigrees there that can be perused by, and borrowed by members of the Society. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J & B.H. Stegeman > Sent: 06 February 2012 01:22 > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Quickfall > > I am doing a one name study on the name Quickfall , I have started to put > my files into book form and wonder where is the best place to send a copy > in Lincolnshire. > Bev on Bribie Island Aus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

Thanks, John, now we know. I may annotate the inquest to include the Leicester Mercury reference. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Bland > Sent: 06 February 2012 00:31 > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIN] Mr Shelton's "up and down" machine > > Looking at the British Newspaper Library, this inquest was reported in the > Leicester Mercury (Sat 15 March 1856, page 3) as the owner Frederick > Shelton > came from Leicester and the machine is described as being for the > "amusement > of children" and involved turning a wheel on a platform 15 feet of the > ground. > > Sounds to me like some early form of Big Wheel or similar device to send > children up in the air and down again. > > John R G Bland > > Spalding > > Member of the Lincolnshire Family History Society > www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > Reg. Charity No 1000724 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen- > > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole > > Sent: 04 February 2012 16:43 > > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LIN] Mr Shelton's "up and down" machine > > > > Has anyone ever heard of this? There is nothing on google so it is > probably > > local. It was the cause of death of someone in Grantham in 1856. > Apparently > > he stood on a stage to turn the handle of the machine, his hand slipped > and > > he was pitched head foremost to the ground below. The jury recommended > > that the a guard be put round the stage. > > > > Anne > > > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

Hi, I certainly did agree with what Elizabeth said in giving her advice. I would like to add a few things. I live in America and maybe this is not true in England There are family associations out there who have worked on that family for over 100 years. They are an excellent source of information. Fees to join are usually nominal. One family that this brings to mind were original Penn Colonists. who came to America in 1862. There are probably over 1000 people who are searching for information on this family. They publish a magazine where there are articles on various finds. Believe me people do pay attention and the information is checked by many. Then sometimes a person puts information on line. In this case there were pictures of things in glass cases such as the Deed of Release from Penn along with a transcription, pictures of the Bibles that the family brought to America, and so much more. These were on ancestry and were worth the subscription. An example of what I found one time on Ancestry will make you laugh. It listed one person as having a baby at about age 67 and she died when she was 161. years old. I hope no one copied that. Don't be afraid to ask questions on the Rootsweb lists. People will help you if they can. You will probably meet some distant cousins. From one I received a picture of the log cabin that my ancestor built when he came to America in 1710. Another person sent a transcription of a Bible records that is no where on line or in any archive. I copy the birth etc. records from the LDS films if there are any. With one family I had the records for the first 3 children who were born before 1837 in England. I was debating whether I wanted to go to the expense of sending to England for the records of the other four who were born after 1837. They were siblings of my direct line ancestor. It is expensive to send for English records when one lives in America. Lo and behold the four records were on the LDS film that I was looking at for the earlier three. I did not need a certified copy. The Parish Records on the film were fine for my needs. If you don't want to pay for sites such as Ancestry, remember that they have a free trial period. Save up what you are looking for and then do a marathon search when you have the free trial period. I must say that when you do this you will probably find that you do want to subscribe. Remember that they have a lot of good records such as ship's passenger lists. I found a 1909 book that was long out of print on ancestry for one of my ancestors. I always wanted to read it but it was no longer available. At times such as around Memorial Day some sites like Ancestry give you a free week to get military records. I got one for a Revolutionary War ancestor and another for a Civil War ancestor. My advice- Go for the least expensive things first. For English ancestors you will have to rent the Parish Registers from the LDS. Join every Rootsweb list where you have ancestors. You would be surprized at what you might find there such as the Bible Records. You can go to libraries in America and most have a version of Ancestry or Heritage Quest. They are great for getting census records which really aren't always good but it at least gives you a place to look. My library not only had the American census records but also those from England. Most other information is limited but I did find a copy of the court minutes for the early Pennsylvania ancestors. It was mostly land records that I copied but there were a few things such as guardianship records there also. In America try the USGenWeb sites. Some are not very good but others have things such as wills. In one county in North Carolina the historian had digitized all of the deeds starting about 1775 and going well into the 1800s. I was able to find about 40 or a little more for my ancestors. I had debated whether to send for them and was very glad that I had not. They were free except for the paper and ink to print them. When you have tried all of the the least expensive things you will probably find that you do have to send for some things. You will find that you need them for proofs. Collect the free one's first and then you will better know what you need. Good Luck with your search. Velma

Looking at the British Newspaper Library, this inquest was reported in the Leicester Mercury (Sat 15 March 1856, page 3) as the owner Frederick Shelton came from Leicester and the machine is described as being for the "amusement of children" and involved turning a wheel on a platform 15 feet of the ground. Sounds to me like some early form of Big Wheel or similar device to send children up in the air and down again. John R G Bland   Spalding   Member of the Lincolnshire Family History Society www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ Reg. Charity No 1000724 > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole > Sent: 04 February 2012 16:43 > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Mr Shelton's "up and down" machine > > Has anyone ever heard of this? There is nothing on google so it is probably > local. It was the cause of death of someone in Grantham in 1856. Apparently > he stood on a stage to turn the handle of the machine, his hand slipped and > he was pitched head foremost to the ground below. The jury recommended > that the a guard be put round the stage. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Searching for my KEAL ancestors who lived in Sausthorpe. Any connections would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Regards David -------Original Message------- From: ANNE BAMFORD Date: 5/02/2012 8:42:49 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Where is/was Sausthorpe? Glanced at the heading and immediately Scunthorpe came to my mind. Anne ________________________________ From: John & Jan Marchant <jjmarchant@optusnet.com.au> To: ENG LINCSGEN List <ENG-LINCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 5:09 Subject: Re: [LIN] Where is/was Sausthorpe? Must apologise! When I sent the info. Below I was confusing Sausthorpe with Navenby, the other village mentioned, which is at the below location. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Jan Marchant" <jjmarchant@optusnet.com.au> To: <sinebeg@gmail.com>; <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] Where is/was Sausthorpe? > No Jay, it is a village south of Lincoln on the A607 road. Also, as an > interest sideline, my mother once lived on Sausthorpe Street in Lincoln, > which was still there in 2001 and may still be. > > Jan Marchant > Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sinebeg" <sinebeg@gmail.com> > To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [LIN] Where is/was Sausthorpe? > > >> Should be Scunthorpe perhaps? >> >> Jay >> >> On 03-Feb-12 12:24 PM, Jan Moon wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> This place is mentioned on Family Search - but the map sites say it >>> doesn't exist.Comments?RegardsJan >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4781 - Release Date: 02/02/12 >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4786 - Release Date: 02/03/12 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.927 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4189 - Release Date: 02/05/12 05:34:00 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

This letter was written by Emily Wood to my Grandmother. Emily was Dolly's mother in law. 27th Sept 1927, Wellington My dear Mrs Smith, I am almost ashamed to write to you as I have not written to you for so long but we have had so much worry and trouble for the past two year's that I could hardly put my mind to write only to those that I had too. It was a great trial for us to loose our dear daughter but she was so patient thru it all. She stayed with us until 6 weeks before her death and then she wanted to go back to her home to be with her husband and children and just a month from that day she died. I was taken to the hospital myself I had not been well since last xmas when the Dr told me I had a tumor but I had been trying to think it wasnt so but was taken suddenly very sick and the Dr said I could not live long like it was. It was a revolving tumor and It had twisted around so much that it was just about ready to snap off but I got along fine. I lost 2 lbs but I think I sill soon gain that again. How are you getting along all by yourself I hope the children are good to you. Dolly and all are quite well we were down there last Thursday listening over the radio to the fight between Tunney and Jack Demsey it was sure some fight. Thanks very much for the nice cards you sent I am sending you one of Fort Collins, notice the car's. It used to be horses and Buggies when we first came over here that is nearly 24 years ago. Well dear Mrs Smith I dont know of much to tell only I am sorry I did not write before, will be glad to hear from you at any time. Love to all the family Yours very sincerely E Wood Emily lived to the ripe old age of 92 years. She died Christmas 1956.

28th April 1928, Wellington, Colorado. U.S.A. My dearest Mother, Very many thanks for your letter received last week, also the books.  I've got quite a little reading on hand now.  You know mother, those H. C's sure go the rounds, I let the folks have them then Dorothy gets them and finally eliza and her family read them.    I hope you are all well of your colds.  I've had one too, with a sore lip, as usual.  I've had more colds this winter than I ever did before.    Did you get your garden made?  Walt and I got busy last Thursday morning and put in everything that could be planted with safety.    Walt got all his crops in, grain, nothing but, - most of it is up too.  Now, he finds that sixty or seventy acres of his Alfalfa is dead.  That presents quite a problem.  Its getting rather late for most grain, and one can hardly get seed either for love or money.  Then again, ploughing alfalfa is very hard work for horses one needs a tractor.    It has been raining and snowing nearly all day.    Talk about the German and Russian families in this country mother, why there's nothing else but.  The joke of it is, the're all Americans I'll tell you, if you want a mixture of nationalities, we've sure got it here, a real "Dukes Mixture", mother.  Thank goodness I'm English, and proud of it too.     Henry Deines passed his exams and is now a naturalized American.  Gosh cousin Suie, is quite a woman, I did'nt think she was that old.    I'm glad Edith made her grade.  Edward has only three more weeks to go to school, I am wondering if he will pass.    I got twenty-six little chickens, from three weeks to one week old.  I've lost one but that's all.    We've got the radio running, its an all English program.  They're just starting in with "Hearts of Oak" now "Cherry Ripe", "Allen Water" "Loud roars the dreadful Bay of Biscay 'O Water".    I am glad Annie got such a nice outfit.,  How is she?    I've just been getting some new slippers, honey beige, that's kind of creamy pink color.  I got Mary a pair of patent slippers with blond trimming and a pretty blue rayon party dress.     (They're singing "Drink to me only" now).    We were going to the show to see Bebe Daniels in "Swim, girl, Swim" tonight but the weather is too dirty.  The roads here are almost hopeless when we get a rain, its alright where they're gravelled.    I was driving in the mud and snow this afternoon.  Rose came down here and we went out to a "Co-worker's" meeting south of town.  We both joined the club.  This afternoon we all took seeds, plants and bulbs.  The seeds we exchanged and the plants etc; we auctioned off from one to ten cents each.  We had a good time and enjoyed a delicious lunch consisting of two kinds of layer cake and brick ice-cream and two flavors and coffee of course.    I got a letter from Doris last week too.  She seems to be pretty miserable now-a-days, does'nt she.    I want to tell you one of my youngsters tricks.  Last Saturday evening Walt was out milking and I was out doing my chores.  When I came in I found the kids hiding away behind the stove.  Walt came in and started separating milk, finally Mary came out, and said "Daddy, did you slip?"  "We wanted to see you slip"  They had rubbed chunks of lard on the floor next to the door and hoped to see Daddy slip.    One day I had been cleaning windows, and said, when I get thru, "Well they'll have to do, It's the best I can do"  So Mary answered "Well, I guess they'll do - for a change"  She's getting to be a big girl and is grandma and - pa's pride so it seems,    Well mother dear, I believe my news is about "all".  I hope you are all well as it leaves us at present.  With lots of love from "us four" to all of you          I remain            Your loving daughter               XXXXX  Dolly  XXXXX Well, that is 21 letters, hope you have enjoyed them.  Dolly wrote great letters to her mother, continually tell her what she did, what she ate, cooked, etc;  What she made, her housework.  We modern housewives had it really easy, with automatic washing machines, fridges, electric irons, kettles, vacuum's, tumble driers, not many with open fires these days.    I am so please I dont have to rise early to feed animals, church, though I do still bake bread. Having re-read old notes, Dolly came to England finally in 1948, I was then about 11 or 12 years old.  Dolly sent my mother parcels during WW2, old jackets, trousers etc; but carefully sewn inside linings, pockets etc; were silk stockings, which were unobtainable in England.  My mother'Margy' in return knitted her fairisle sweaters. Several people have asked me for photographs of Dolly and her family, I am pleased to scan and send you some if anybody is interested.  By the way, Annie and Edith never married, dying when they were 92 and 87 in Grimoldby, Lincs. I have one more letter that may be of interest, one written by Emily Wood, Dolly's mother in law, to my Grandmother, will type that for you. Shall then have a break and then start on the collection of letters I have written by Dolly's brother Joseph William Smith, these are set just prior to WW1, and during the war. Again, very intesting and historical documents really. I have for several years been meaning to see if the Imperial War Museum would be interested in them.  Joe also wrote good letters, with lots of descriptions of his life in the Royal Navy. All for now, thanks for all the lovely comments you have sent me, glad the letters were interesting and given you a picture of the life of a brave Lincolnshire Lass, living in the depth of USA. The H.C's or books Dorothy refers to were 'Home Comfort's" a Woman's magazine. Edward became a Lieutenant in the USA Army-Air Transport Command. He became a pilot, and after delivering a plane to England, got leave and went to visit my grandmother.  Grandma never met Mary, she married Jim RUSHING, and they had at least one daughter, I have a photograph of Marilyn Rushing, b 25 August 1942.  Mary died in 1965 and Ed in 1994 at Praire Village, Kansas. Walt gave up farming and worked for the Larimer Co; Highway Dept, then he and Dolly moved to Denver, where they owned and operated a garage and filling station till their retirement. Pat Cook, Grimsby, Lincolnshire

Hi Joan My suggestion is stop looking for service records <g> Service records for those who served or continued to serve after 1921 are not available to the general public You need to apply to Glasgow where they hold the records, you need to be or have the permission of the next of kin and be able to prove you are the service person or that the person concerned is deceased There is a fee of about 30gbp and it can take several months You might try the Papers or the Gazettes if he was an officer or was decorated Otherwise you would need to try other avenues Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Is there a website where one can look for servicemen from the 1950's? I've been trying a people > search but the person may or may not be alive. Any suggestions? > > Joan

My advice to newbies is that "there is no such thing as a free lunch" and, like all hobbies, this one costs money. There is a lot of information available via the Internet now, but from personal observation there is a lot of absolute rubbish published as "facts", and anything you find on line should be verified by at least one or more alternate sources. Many of the Family Trees on line contain assumptions and mistakes and if anyone copies anything he/she finds on line without further verification or proof deserves all he/she gets as far as mis-information goes. I am ever thankful that I started researching my family history in the early days of on line information (I think only the IGI was available) and I have spent many (productive and rewarding) hours trawling through films of Parish records at our local Family History Centre attached to the LDS (Mormon) church. I also learned very early on that a lot of the Mormon "facts" need to be verified too - as anything submitted to the IGI as a "patron submission" is very often a guess. But, I repeat - you cannot do a good job at this hobby without spending money. You need to join something like Findmypast or Ancestry (I am a Findmypast and Genes Reunited person myself) and you often need to buy copies of certificates for proof of something you have found - and sometimes you will find you have a wrong certificate which is yet another expense. (but also, negative "proof" is as good as positive in many ways) I appreciate that not everyone has the same financial resources and we all have to limit our spending, or justify in which direction we spend money - but the same would apply if we are gardening, doing needlework, knitting, carpentry or whatever. It is still well worth anyone's while to go to his/her local Family History Centre and for a minimal fee you can borrow (and study on their premises) any of the thousands of films of various records the LDS have available to share with the world. The censuses available on line are an invaluable source of information and if you learn to think laterally and "outside the box" it is amazing how much you can piece together - and remember to be flexible in how you expect any names to be spelled. (and transcribers have to write down what they are copying - not what they either think or know should be there to copy) Another bit of advice is don't accept all family legends as true (but don't totally disregard them either) - work on the assumption that there is possibly a grain of truth in them somewhere along the line. An example of this in my family is that one of my great aunts was married to a Russian who was reported to have been related to Tolstoy. Recently I found his obituary on line it mentioned that his family had a holiday 'cottage' in the area where the Tolstoy family had property and the families knew each other - but that hardly made him one of their relations! So now I know how that legend came about - that great aunt's sister, who was a bit of a "Mrs Bucket" - sorry Bouquet! Elizabeth Pugh Whitehorse Yukon Canada PS I have loved reading Pat's letters from Dorothy Smith.

I believe husbands family had their own Mill, they lived in an area called Borrill's yard, which I believe was off Victoria Road close to the River Freshney and their mill was in this locality. The family were previously corn millers. Maria http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/undefined-headline/story-14995173-detail/story.html scroll through pictures in the article. http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/Oil-Miller-s-tale-bombs-bravery/story-11536454-detail/story.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Ellis" <ellis-b@sky.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] Oil Miller > Thank you Maria for this info. Yes it was in Grimsby that I came accross > this occupation. > Brenda > > On 5 February 2012 08:54, Maria Borrill <maria.borrill@ntlworld.com> > wrote: > >> My husbands BORRILL ancestors were involved in this occupation in >> Grimsby, >> they crushed Linseed to produce Linseed oil, I think the waste then was >> turned into cattle cake. >> >> Maria >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "B Ellis" <ellis-b@sky.com> >> To: <ENG-LINCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:49 PM >> Subject: [LIN] Oil Miller >> >> >> > Hello >> > Can anyone tell me what the occupation Oil Crusher on the 1891 census >> > would >> > be, or an Oil Miller which was in the parish register. >> > Thank you >> > Brenda >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message