Hi Ray,   I am up at 2 am and very tired.  I read your e-mail and have had such a good laugh. Thank you for that, I am now wide awake! I loved the bit about your Mother with Altzheimer's Disease. I laughed so much my sides ached! Thanks for the many tips in your wonderful e-mail.  Well done & keep up the good work.  Ann From: Ray Forsberg <forsbergray@gmail.com> To: Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net>; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 23:34 Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbie note: Don't trust what you read Hi Lou, I know the feeling!  I had a huge brick wall because of an error in a marriage certificate issued by the GRO.  My 3xg-grandmother, Mary Marshall, had an illegitimate son, William Henry, in 1857 at the Barnsley Union Workhouse - no father named.  The last census we were able to find her in was 1851.  She just "disappeared" after William's birth in 1857, until sks on Rootschat drew my attention to the 1861 census for Crigglestone, in which there was a Mary Pattison with her son William Marshall visiting a family there.  I naturally looked for a marriage and found one to a Joseph Pattison in 1860, sent for the certificate, which noted her father as being "John";  her father's name was Thomas, so I naturally thought I had the wrong person.  Years laters I found the Church register entry, listing Mary's father's name as Thomas.  I had been right all along! Cheers, Carol On 9 February 2012 10:21, Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> wrote: > The last of my parents died some 18 months ago.  I cancelled the insurance on their home and had a new policy written under my name.  The insurance company sent a refund cheque made out to my deceased parents. > > I probably don't have to tell you that they can't cash it or deposit it.  Perhaps I could take a funeral urn down to the bank along with the cheque and ask if they would cash it. > > This experience reminded me that "you're not dead just because you are buried."  There are people listed on war memorials under the wrong names.  A few are listed twice.  Some didn't die, but the memorial implies they did.  And errors in the census returns make you want to pull your hair out.  Last month my wife got mail for her father who died 11 years ago. > > A great deal of this is human error.  In the case of my insurance company I have discovered that they have a "procedure" of not removing a name from a policy.  Didn't matter that I waved a death certificate at them and a letter from my attorney.  Of course, this is the same insurance company that couldn't get my name right on the new policy even after 4 visits to correct the problem.  I now use a different company. > > War memorials were often dependent on local sources.  Often these sources seem to be mentally deficient.  Some men stayed in France after the Great War.  Did they meet a lovely young French girl and decide to stick with her?  Was life in a foreign country more appealing than being an Ag. Lab. back home?  Who can say. > > What to do about it?  Well, find as many sources as you can.  If you find a will, did you also find a burial entry in the church register, a gravestone, a death certificate? > > My mother, who was the last of her siblings to die, had Alzheimer's disease.  She often told me she had to get home to Mick when she got flustered.  Well, Mick was her deceased husband and I had to gently remind her of this fact.  I often wonder if and how she filled out the census form sent to her home, but I don't worry about it.  She threw out most of her mail.  We had to go through the trash to look for important mail (like tax notices), until we finally moved her to a care facility.  She hated that so much, but it was necessary.  So if you find a person in their 80s or 90s listed in the census, take care and verify the data. > > The reason for all this is to tell you that not everything you find in civil or church records is correct.  People often made mistakes.  It's human nature.  Ever have those moments when you can't remember your spouse's name?  It's OK, we all do it.  (Just call him "Honey".)  Now, if you can't remember your own name, better get a bracelet with your name inscribed on it.  ("If found, please drop this individual in the nearest postal box.") > > Gravestones have errors, death certificates were filled out from information given by an "informant", who might be a neighbor, and wills, alas, sometimes don't give relationships.  It's hard for me to tell you that because I think wills are an overlooked resource.  So, the more sources, the better. > > And "chill out."  Just because the church register appears incorrect, don't write the vicar a nasty note and ask for it to be corrected.  Don't take your own chisle to the war memorial to correct uncle Albert's name.  Tell US about the error.  You'll get lots of sympathy and maybe an "Atta boy" too. > > Maybe I should file a "Freedom of Information" form to see what the government has wrong about ME!  Nah, I don't wanna know.  I do know that they have the wing number of the airplane I flew into the US on in 1947 when I was three.  Of course, this is the same government that asked me to prove that I was a citizen.  I did.  You'd think they'd keep track of that, eh? > >     Lou > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I noticed in the letter that was posted that the writer referred to having 4 double teeth drawn. Could someone tell me what that means to them? I have a brother who had what my mother referred to as double teeth. He had an extra set of teeth behind the regular ones in the front of his mouth (probably about 4 teeth and had to have the extras extracted.) Then another member of the family had about 4 teeth that did not have permanent teeth under the baby teeth. Fortunately only one of them was in the front of the mouth. This seems to be an inherited trait and can go either way. My mom used this as one of the ways that she was certain that an ancestor from England who had the same problem was ours. I had never heard of it before it cropped up in our family and I wonder how common it is. Do any of you have that in your family.? It certainly caught my attention but I don't know if the author was referring to the same thing. Fortunately this is minor compared to what some people inherit. Our family also seems to be very healthy and have much longer lives than was the norm in earlier times. Many lived into their 90s when all of the modern medicine and surgery was not available. I would be interested in hearing if any of you have found this in your families. Velma VJSpringer@aol.com

This letter is written on notepaper headed with crossed Union Jacks. H.M.S. Diadem, Jan 3rd 1916 Dear Mother, Many thanks for your kind letter and parcel. I came aboard the training ship on New Years 's Day. Cannot get ashore not while a week next Sunday. It is look out for your self here as regards food but I do not miss any. I sling my hammock in the mess deck, but several sleep on the upper deck. We are packed like herrings in a box, but you may bet I am in a good place. I have had a look round the armoured deck, and stoke hold to-day. Talk about having something to learn, "nor arf". I have a had head-ache ever since I landed at the barracks. I shall not do much work this week only looking around different parts of the ship. Glad to hear you had a merry Xxmas, and I hope Dad did not make a fool of himself. I wrote to H Frow a week before Christmas but have not had a reply. Perhaps he is angry with met yet. I did not expect he would come to see F. F. any more, when I left. Will get my photo taken when I get ashore again. So when you get them you can send one to Aunts Sarah and Eliza. Tell Dad to remember me to Jar, and any-body who inquires after me. I have not received the New Year's gift you have been talking about from the proceeds of the concert. Well give my best love to all at home, hoping you are all well as I am right at present. Must Close with you all in my thoughts. I remain Your Loving Son Joe XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX p.s. Do not change the address when you write, excuse me for not replying sooner, but stamps are a scarce article here. (Just struck eight bells) Joe made reference regarding his father not making a fool of himself. Apparently my Grandfather, rather liked a drink, tho according to work note books I found in the Grandfather Bag, he was only earning £2.0s.0d at this time.

Envelope with two One-and-a-half-pence stamps Envelope and Headed Note Paper to match with the badge of 'Duchess of Albany's Sailors and Soldiers Home, Edinburgh Rd, Portsmouth December 13th 1915 Dear Mother, Just a few lines in return for your your welcome letter. Pleased to hear you received my clothes alright. I have had four double teeth drawn, so I shall be nearly toothless now. Saturday I was ashore, so had a good look round the town, and also the port. Had a good view of the Victory. I expect to go on board a training ship on Saturday, named the Dia-dem. Our company will finish squad drill on Thursday. I shall be a real "slavey" soon, and shall be able to do all your washing when I come home. We go to Church every day in the theatre. Shall soon be a fire-man am in the fire-escape's crew. I have got a real bad cold, can hardly speak some times, and have got cold in my gums. Do not base your thoughts on my coming home for Exmas, because I expect there will be no Exmas leave granted. If not I shall not come till I have finished training. Glad to hear you are all well, and that Dad thinks a bit about me. Will let you .. if any-thing different happens next week. Must close now, and go to barracks. Thanking you for the parcel, with best love to all, I remain, Your loving son Joe XXXXXX XXXXXX Joseph was born on 5th Feb 1896, his birth was registered at Hainton Lincs Certificate No C80937. Joseph was baptised 15th March 1896 at Hainton, Entry No 510. His was father was William Lee Smith and his mother Mary Ann nee ROSSINGTON. He was their eldest child. The family used LEE SMITH as their surname, I have envelopes addressed to them in this way, there was no hyphen. William Lee SMITH's mother was Hannah LEE, and LEE has been used as a middle christian name in the family right up to the present day. William's brother Bernard Joseph SMITH went to Canada, and LEE has been used as a middle Christian name over there as well. I have a very tattered postcard, date stamp is 30 November 1915 Portsmouth. Joe wrote;- Dear Mother, just a few lines to let you know I am getting on alright. Am sending my civil clothes to Claxby St; tomorrow, so inquire on Thursday. Got vaccinated today, and I expect having some more teeth out soon. With best love, Joe p.s. Am spent up J.W.Smith, 1K Mess, R.N. Barracks, Portsmouth

Thank you for your help. Maybe one day I will get to Lincoln and be able to follow it up. Kind regards - Shay

The last of my parents died some 18 months ago.  I cancelled the insurance on their home and had a new policy written under my name.  The insurance company sent a refund cheque made out to my deceased parents. I probably don't have to tell you that they can't cash it or deposit it.  Perhaps I could take a funeral urn down to the bank along with the cheque and ask if they would cash it. This experience reminded me that "you're not dead just because you are buried."  There are people listed on war memorials under the wrong names.  A few are listed twice.  Some didn't die, but the memorial implies they did.  And errors in the census returns make you want to pull your hair out.  Last month my wife got mail for her father who died 11 years ago. A great deal of this is human error.  In the case of my insurance company I have discovered that they have a "procedure" of not removing a name from a policy.  Didn't matter that I waved a death certificate at them and a letter from my attorney.  Of course, this is the same insurance company that couldn't get my name right on the new policy even after 4 visits to correct the problem.  I now use a different company. War memorials were often dependent on local sources.  Often these sources seem to be mentally deficient.  Some men stayed in France after the Great War.  Did they meet a lovely young French girl and decide to stick with her?  Was life in a foreign country more appealing than being an Ag. Lab. back home?  Who can say. What to do about it?  Well, find as many sources as you can.  If you find a will, did you also find a burial entry in the church register, a gravestone, a death certificate? My mother, who was the last of her siblings to die, had Alzheimer's disease.  She often told me she had to get home to Mick when she got flustered.  Well, Mick was her deceased husband and I had to gently remind her of this fact.  I often wonder if and how she filled out the census form sent to her home, but I don't worry about it.  She threw out most of her mail.  We had to go through the trash to look for important mail (like tax notices), until we finally moved her to a care facility.  She hated that so much, but it was necessary.  So if you find a person in their 80s or 90s listed in the census, take care and verify the data. The reason for all this is to tell you that not everything you find in civil or church records is correct.  People often made mistakes.  It's human nature.  Ever have those moments when you can't remember your spouse's name?  It's OK, we all do it.  (Just call him "Honey".)  Now, if you can't remember your own name, better get a bracelet with your name inscribed on it.  ("If found, please drop this individual in the nearest postal box.") Gravestones have errors, death certificates were filled out from information given by an "informant", who might be a neighbor, and wills, alas, sometimes don't give relationships.  It's hard for me to tell you that because I think wills are an overlooked resource.  So, the more sources, the better. And "chill out."  Just because the church register appears incorrect, don't write the vicar a nasty note and ask for it to be corrected.  Don't take your own chisle to the war memorial to correct uncle Albert's name.  Tell US about the error.  You'll get lots of sympathy and maybe an "Atta boy" too. Maybe I should file a "Freedom of Information" form to see what the government has wrong about ME!  Nah, I don't wanna know.  I do know that they have the wing number of the airplane I flew into the US on in 1947 when I was three.  Of course, this is the same government that asked me to prove that I was a citizen.  I did.  You'd think they'd keep track of that, eh?     Lou

Great site......thanks for the bonus tip! Regards Judy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian F. Johnson" <brian.johnson.fh@ntlworld.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:08 PM To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LIN] advice to newbies- burials > And an extra bonus for Lincolnshire researches is that the Parish > Registers > can be viewed online for free at: > http://www.lincstothepast.com/home/ > This is the only county within my research area that has such a luxury, if > using the site for the first time have a look at the "Help" page and > download the pdf "How to search for parish registers" then enjoy the > wealth > of records. > > Brian. >

Naval Barracks December 4th 1915 Dear Mother, Just a few lines to let you know I received your letter safely. I like the Navy so far alright, but they are strict. We get four meals a day, a change every time. Breakfast is 6.30, dinner 11.45, tea 4.45, supper at 9. The patrol wakes us up in the morning, and he also makes us get in tup at 10 o'clcock. I get out of barracks every other day at 5 p.m. Saturday and Sundays at dinner time. Our leave is according to our duty division. I am in the second division, so shall be a-shore tomorrow Sunday. My arm is very painful through vaccination. I expect I shall have to get four teeth out on Monday, but I am going to get out of it if possible. My bed is an hammock strung from two iron beams, they are alright to sleep in. I have been in the muster bag room since Tuesday learning to sling my hammock and also to pack my kit bag properly. My kit consists of as follows, - two blue suits - 3 white duck suits - spare white trousers - 2 under shirts - 2 pairs pants - 2 pairs socks. 1 jersey - 1 muffler - 2 Cholera Belts - 1 blue and 1 white hat - 2 lanyards and a knife - 5 brushes - 2 pairs boots and a ditty box and a hat box. If I loose any article I have to make it good. I got paid on Friday and received 10/- On Wednesday it being the first day of the month tobacco and soap were issued. I got a pound of tobacco for 1/2d, 4 lbs of soap for 8d. They stop so much money per week for such things, then at 3 months end they give us the balance. I did not get any money from Robinson so Dad had better remember him about it. Expect to get six days leave at Exmas or New Year, will let you know which. Remember me to all enquiring friends. Well must close, am tired after a hard days work. With best love to you all I remain Your Loving Son Joe XXXXXX (Please send me two boxes with ointment in and scurf comb out of my new bag)

Dear Listers I would love to make contact with descendants of James CLARK and Ann Atkinson. James was born in 1823 in Leverton, and Ann was born in 1819 in Amcotts. They married in 1845. James parents were James CLARK and Mary PADDISON. James and Ann were married in 1845 in Old Leake. All their children were born in Lincolnshire. Then at some stage the family moved to Doncaster, Yorkshire. Their children were: Robert Atkinson CLARK b.1845 Mary CLARK b.1848 Ann CLARK b.1849 James Atkinson CLARK b.1851 Robert and James moved to New Zealand in the 1870s and their CLARK name was spelt CLARKE. Robert was my paternal great grandfather. Robert and James were employed in the Doncaster Railway Workshops as coachbuilders till about the 1870s. I would really appreciate any information about this family. Sincerely Stella Smith New Zealand

Hi Brian,  Thanks for the additional information, sounds brilliant.  You guys are certainly very knowledgeable and helpful.  Thanks so much.  Ann From: Brian F. Johnson <brian.johnson.fh@ntlworld.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 7:08 Subject: Re: [LIN] advice to newbies- burials And an extra bonus for Lincolnshire researches is that the Parish Registers can be viewed online for free at: http://www.lincstothepast.com/home/ This is the only county within my research area that has such a luxury, if using the site for the first time have a look at the "Help" page and download the pdf "How to search for parish registers" then enjoy the wealth of records. Brian. -----Original Message----- From: rjngs Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:52 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] advice to newbies- burials Ann,   We old hands assume too much when discussing methods with newcomers to family history. Besides the on-line facilities for research that are available and valuable it gets more fascinating when you visit the County Archives or Local History section of your library. That is where you will find the Burial Register of your parish of interest. Besides the formal names and dates there are often extra comments in the Registers,  e.g. "Baptism.  1805, Grace Jennings dau. of Catherine of B'ton, whose husband was sentenced to transportation two years ago."  [and yes he had been transported.] Bob. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And an extra bonus for Lincolnshire researches is that the Parish Registers can be viewed online for free at: http://www.lincstothepast.com/home/ This is the only county within my research area that has such a luxury, if using the site for the first time have a look at the "Help" page and download the pdf "How to search for parish registers" then enjoy the wealth of records. Brian. -----Original Message----- From: rjngs Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:52 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] advice to newbies- burials Ann, We old hands assume too much when discussing methods with newcomers to family history. Besides the on-line facilities for research that are available and valuable it gets more fascinating when you visit the County Archives or Local History section of your library. That is where you will find the Burial Register of your parish of interest. Besides the formal names and dates there are often extra comments in the Registers, e.g. "Baptism. 1805, Grace Jennings dau. of Catherine of B'ton, whose husband was sentenced to transportation two years ago." [and yes he had been transported.] Bob. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thats interesting Bob, thank you.  I guess that's an excuse to make a trip to the county in question too. I was thinking of visiting the local Family History Society, in Grimsby as well. I assume it is better to ring everyone first.   Thank you for your suggestions, they are very welcome.   Best wishes Ann From: rjngs <rjngs@pearson30.karoo.co.uk> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 6 February 2012, 20:52 Subject: Re: [LIN] advice to newbies- burials Ann,   We old hands assume too much when discussing methods with newcomers to family history. Besides the on-line facilities for research that are available and valuable it gets more fascinating when you visit the County Archives or Local History section of your library. That is where you will find the Burial Register of your parish of interest. Besides the formal names and dates there are often extra comments in the Registers,  e.g. "Baptism.  1805, Grace Jennings dau. of Catherine of B'ton, whose husband was sentenced to transportation two years ago."  [and yes he had been transported.] Bob. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I shall be unsubscribing temporarily from the list as my husband and I are moving up north of Toronto to live with our son. I shall be in touch with new email address when we get settled. Margaret Taylor ( Toronto) "Don't let yesterday use up too much of today" Will Rogers.

Ann, We old hands assume too much when discussing methods with newcomers to family history. Besides the on-line facilities for research that are available and valuable it gets more fascinating when you visit the County Archives or Local History section of your library. That is where you will find the Burial Register of your parish of interest. Besides the formal names and dates there are often extra comments in the Registers, e.g. "Baptism. 1805, Grace Jennings dau. of Catherine of B'ton, whose husband was sentenced to transportation two years ago." [and yes he had been transported.] Bob.

On looking on the Newspaper Archives site I came across the following reference for my 3xgreat grandfather, Joshua Fountain, in January 1821. "Wm. Fowler, late of Bardney, labourer and Joshua Fountain, late of the same, labourer, convicted of entering a wood in Tupholme in the night with guns to destroy game, were committed to the said house of correction to hard labour for two years." Would there be any record of this elsewhere, please? He was married with seven children at the time. I presume that, in those days, granny would have gone to family or the House but 8 would be a lot for anybody to take in for two years. I don't suppose there would be records that early? Grateful for any help - Shay

Hi Ann May I suggest you take a look at the online classes at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp They are all free You will see a link in the middle for online courses Select that and choose United Kingdom from the long list , you will see there are 83 courses available, some short some slightly longer, all very good This is a good starting place, there are six in this section https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/results.html?fq=place%3A%22United%20Kingdom%22&fq=subjects%3A%22Birth%2C%20marriage%20and%20death%2FChurch%20records%2F%22 (United Kingdom > Birth, Marriage & Death > Church Records) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Thanks Bob, I am very new to this. How can I see what you found please and where is the Burial Register? Many Thanks Ann

Thanks Bob,  I am very new to this.  How can I see what you found please and where is the Burial Register? Many Thanks Ann From: rjngs <rjngs@pearson30.karoo.co.uk> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 6 February 2012, 16:49 Subject: [LIN] Advice to newbies -Burials. Keep an eye on the Burial Register. I found a likely ancestor, (right name, age and place), and followed the line back two generations. I later found that what I thought was my ancestor had been buried aged 7. No other candidate has been found so far. Bob. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Keep an eye on the Burial Register. I found a likely ancestor, (right name, age and place), and followed the line back two generations. I later found that what I thought was my ancestor had been buried aged 7. No other candidate has been found so far. Bob.

Thank you Alan for the fantastic quick response to my email, 40 minutes from when I sent it to when I opened your email. The power of the Mailing Lists never ceases to amaze me. The listers are an incredible lot, somebody, womewhere knows the answer. Thank you for that info, that all ties in very nicely with everything I have here. Would'nt Joe be amazed, 97 years after he wrote that letter Pat > Cove is a village now incorporated > into Farnborough, Hants, adjacent to  > what used to be the Royal Aircraft Establishment - hence > perhaps the reference >  to the 'flying ground'. It is indeed about 14 miles from > Guildford. > Alan Leng

Cove, October 24th 1915 Dear Mother, Just a few lines in answer to your ever welcome letter. Its is a very miserable week end, started raining yesterday evening, and is continuing at this present moment. I shall not learn French now, because I am desirous of joining the Royal Navy before the 30th day of November. I am going to work three more weeks, then come home for a weeks holiday before joining. I think it is my duty to go, because I am the right age, and also medically fit. But if you do not want me to go, I will give over thinking about it. I have had a letter from Lord Derby which I enclose. We are only 14 miles off the scene of the last air-raid at Guildford. They did more damage than what was publish in the papers. I had my photo taken last Saturday, but it is only a poor one. I was very pleased to receive those nice letters from Annie and Ted, and also the three photo's. We are getting on with our work nicely now. I let Harry have a look at the photo's, he said Ted had altered a lot, but Annie had not. W Trafford and I went to the flying ground last Sunday afternoon. We were watching them flying for two hours, and also saw one broken. All it's planes were completely smashed up. Well this is all this time hoping you are all well as it leaves me, With best love to all I remain, Your loving Son Joe XXXX Joe is obviously working away from home, my current Atlas does'nt give a place called Cove in Surrey. I have no idea how he came to working so far from Lincolnshire. Joe was the eldest of my grandparents seven children. He was born 5th February 1896 at Hainton, Lincolnshire. I have two photographs of him, which I will share with you later. I do have a postcard, which is in two pieces, showing a "Dunne" Aeroplane, on r/h side of card it says 'Mays, Aldershot' It has been sent in an envelope to Joe's sister Annie, sending all his love. I Googled "Dunne's Aeroplanes" and read some very interesting things about John Wm Dunne, he was the son of General Sir John Hart Dunn KCB 1835-1924. John Dunne Jnr was born 1875 in Ireland. John Dunne was a pioneer aeronautical engineer, designed military aircraft, concentrating on tailess designs. He designed many planes and biplanes. Joe must have bought the postcard whilst visiting the flying fields. I see in the information about John Dunne, he was at one time assigned to the Army Balloon Factory in Sth Farnborough (1905) I see Farnborough is only about 7 miles from Guildford. The postcard by the way show a biplane, an extremely flimsy object of struts, wire and a bit of canvas, attached to what looks like two pram wheels. Lord Derby's letter isnt in the envelope. Pat