That's what I learned to refer to when growing up in the 50's & 60's with my Lincs bred parents (even though we lived in Leicestershire form when I was about 2 y/o. Peter Holmes Western Australia. Skype ; p.g.holmes [HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)]. [CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)] [FREER (Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N & S Kyme, N & S Rauceby, Surfleet, Gosberton Clough etc., Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada & some in New York & Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch). -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Meeds Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012 5:07 PM To: Patricia McCrory; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Double teeth Yes Pat, It may make it clearer to non-British list members (or maybe it's even a lincolnshire thing?) that "double teeth" simply refers to molars. Simon

Hello PamAh........I didn't have the info, or even think, that Ann may have been previously married, though I should have thought of it, being she was older than Edward.And I originally had her from Tealby, but changed it to Kingerby for some reason that I obviously didn't think too much about.Much appreciated Pam, and I also appreciate that you are busy.....................I'm good at waiting :)RegardsJan > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 03:16:26 +0000 > From: pam@five-oaks.co.uk > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIN] Edward Ingleby (other spellings?) > > The 1841 census does *not* say Ann was born in Kingerby. > What it does say is that Edward, Ann and Charlotte were *living* in > Kingerby. > The 1851 census says Ann was born in Tealby. > > My 'old' Westwold deanery marriage index published by Lincolnshire FHS > on diskette says Edward Ingleby and Ann Lee (wid) were married in 1832 > in Market Rasen. > Ann's maiden name *might* be Killick as an Ann Killick married a Thomas > Lee in Market Rasen in 1818. (ref: Westwold deanery marriage index) > > Parish registers > http://www.lincstothepast.com/ > Advanced search, type the name of the parish followed by PAR 1 in the > 'With the exact phrase' box. ******** Scroll down till you find the > register and the dates you want. > > The 'help' section can also be helpful with further details of how to > use the site. <g> > > (And I haven't forgotten your other query. Just been a bit busy.) > > Pam > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > > > On 09/02/2012 02:33, Jan Moon wrote: > > > > > > > > I have this information, and I have a note that it came from West Wold Deanery marriages 1813-1837 - but I forgot to print screen or anything for a record (or maybe some just told me)I have never found this marriage anywhere else. I have Edward, Anne/Ann and their daughter Charlotte on the 1841 census, which says that Anne/Ann was born in Kingerby in 1801 - I am trying to find her birth on Family Search or Freereg (so I can find her parents) , but nothing for Kingerby and wonder what other place it might be under - I do realise that it may not be exactly 1801. Suggestions, advice very wwelcomeJan > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure how common the condition is in humans, but I had a dog some dozen years ago who had it.  The vet seemed very upset about it but it didn't bother the dog at all.  Still, the vet removed the extra teeth.  They were the incisors and the canines, not the molars.     Lou ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Double teeth Hi Simon and all No, double teeth is not an unusual term for molars, its not just a Lincolnshire term Double teeth can also refer to a situation where the permanent teeth come through while the milk teeth are still in situ It is also a condition where two teeth come through in the same place, sometimes joined sometimes behind Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Yes Pat, It may make it clearer to non-British list members (or maybe it's even a lincolnshire thing?) that "double teeth" simply refers to molars. Simon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Thanks to all of you who gave an explanation of the term double teeth. Apparently it is more common than I thought. I also had never heard of double teeth refering to molars here in America. We learn something new all the time when doing genealogy and I certainly am learning here. I wonder if it is more common in those with an English ancestory. Of course that was one of the stories that my mother told. From what she said, I got the impression that these were not just baby teeth that did not come out. The ancestor who had it was born about 1800. She must have had them still when she was an adult so that her children noticed in order to pass along the story. Then one of you described having them much later only pushed back into the roof of the mouth. That makes sense also. In those days there would not be our modern dental care. Thanks to all of you who helped me understand a story that had been passed on in talking about the family. I never though much about it until I saw that wonderful letter. Velma

Does anyone have Ernist H Johnson in their family, He was a prisoner of War 1914 Royal Navy. Bev Bribie Island

Thank you I will follow it up ,now all I need to find is George Cheeseman her husband ? Bev on Bribie Island ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Downes" <pam@five-oaks.co.uk> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] Mary Ann Cheeseman > From FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Death registration > March quarter 1916, Lincoln registration district, Mary A Cheeseman, > aged 81. > > To find the date of death you would need to order the death certificate. > Buried in Washingborough. > http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=549693&iid=186640 > > Pam > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > > On 09/02/2012 02:56, J & B.H. Stegeman wrote: >> I am trying to find a death or Burial of Mary Ann Cheeseman wife of >> George Cheeseman born 1835 . The last time I have recorded her was 1911 >> Census . living in Heighington, nr Lincoln >> Can someone help Please >> Bev on Bribie Island >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4797 - Release Date: 02/08/12 >

Hi Listers, Not sure if this particular site has been mentioned previously on the list but found the following worth exploring :- <http://www.hathitrust.org/> Digital Library BTW If you are interested in the old railway system and tourist description (1866) of various places in Lincolnshire/Notts and adjacent counties can recommend:- Bradshaw's handbook for tourists in Great Britain ... sec.4 1866, fascinating reading. Full Text version of books or single page pdf's can be downloaded for free! <http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015065192935> Duncan Payling, Melbourne

I have this information, and I have a note that it came from West Wold Deanery marriages 1813-1837 - but I forgot to print screen or anything for a record (or maybe some just told me)I have never found this marriage anywhere else. I have Edward, Anne/Ann and their daughter Charlotte on the 1841 census, which says that Anne/Ann was born in Kingerby in 1801 - I am trying to find her birth on Family Search or Freereg (so I can find her parents) , but nothing for Kingerby and wonder what other place it might be under - I do realise that it may not be exactly 1801. Suggestions, advice very wwelcomeJan

Hi Simon and all No, double teeth is not an unusual term for molars, its not just a Lincolnshire term Double teeth can also refer to a situation where the permanent teeth come through while the milk teeth are still in situ It is also a condition where two teeth come through in the same place, sometimes joined sometimes behind Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Yes Pat, It may make it clearer to non-British list members (or maybe it's even a lincolnshire thing?) that "double teeth" simply refers to molars. Simon

I am trying to find a death or Burial of Mary Ann Cheeseman wife of George Cheeseman born 1835 . The last time I have recorded her was 1911 Census . living in Heighington, nr Lincoln Can someone help Please Bev on Bribie Island

Hi Lou, I know the feeling! I had a huge brick wall because of an error in a marriage certificate issued by the GRO. My 3xg-grandmother, Mary Marshall, had an illegitimate son, William Henry, in 1857 at the Barnsley Union Workhouse - no father named. The last census we were able to find her in was 1851. She just "disappeared" after William's birth in 1857, until sks on Rootschat drew my attention to the 1861 census for Crigglestone, in which there was a Mary Pattison with her son William Marshall visiting a family there. I naturally looked for a marriage and found one to a Joseph Pattison in 1860, sent for the certificate, which noted her father as being "John"; her father's name was Thomas, so I naturally thought I had the wrong person. Years laters I found the Church register entry, listing Mary's father's name as Thomas. I had been right all along! Cheers, Carol On 9 February 2012 10:21, Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> wrote: > The last of my parents died some 18 months ago.  I cancelled the insurance on their home and had a new policy written under my name.  The insurance company sent a refund cheque made out to my deceased parents. > > I probably don't have to tell you that they can't cash it or deposit it.  Perhaps I could take a funeral urn down to the bank along with the cheque and ask if they would cash it. > > This experience reminded me that "you're not dead just because you are buried."  There are people listed on war memorials under the wrong names.  A few are listed twice.  Some didn't die, but the memorial implies they did.  And errors in the census returns make you want to pull your hair out.  Last month my wife got mail for her father who died 11 years ago. > > A great deal of this is human error.  In the case of my insurance company I have discovered that they have a "procedure" of not removing a name from a policy.  Didn't matter that I waved a death certificate at them and a letter from my attorney.  Of course, this is the same insurance company that couldn't get my name right on the new policy even after 4 visits to correct the problem.  I now use a different company. > > War memorials were often dependent on local sources.  Often these sources seem to be mentally deficient.  Some men stayed in France after the Great War.  Did they meet a lovely young French girl and decide to stick with her?  Was life in a foreign country more appealing than being an Ag. Lab. back home?  Who can say. > > What to do about it?  Well, find as many sources as you can.  If you find a will, did you also find a burial entry in the church register, a gravestone, a death certificate? > > My mother, who was the last of her siblings to die, had Alzheimer's disease.  She often told me she had to get home to Mick when she got flustered.  Well, Mick was her deceased husband and I had to gently remind her of this fact.  I often wonder if and how she filled out the census form sent to her home, but I don't worry about it.  She threw out most of her mail.  We had to go through the trash to look for important mail (like tax notices), until we finally moved her to a care facility.  She hated that so much, but it was necessary.  So if you find a person in their 80s or 90s listed in the census, take care and verify the data. > > The reason for all this is to tell you that not everything you find in civil or church records is correct.  People often made mistakes.  It's human nature.  Ever have those moments when you can't remember your spouse's name?  It's OK, we all do it.  (Just call him "Honey".)  Now, if you can't remember your own name, better get a bracelet with your name inscribed on it.  ("If found, please drop this individual in the nearest postal box.") > > Gravestones have errors, death certificates were filled out from information given by an "informant", who might be a neighbor, and wills, alas, sometimes don't give relationships.  It's hard for me to tell you that because I think wills are an overlooked resource.  So, the more sources, the better. > > And "chill out."  Just because the church register appears incorrect, don't write the vicar a nasty note and ask for it to be corrected.  Don't take your own chisle to the war memorial to correct uncle Albert's name.  Tell US about the error.  You'll get lots of sympathy and maybe an "Atta boy" too. > > Maybe I should file a "Freedom of Information" form to see what the government has wrong about ME!  Nah, I don't wanna know.  I do know that they have the wing number of the airplane I flew into the US on in 1947 when I was three.  Of course, this is the same government that asked me to prove that I was a citizen.  I did.  You'd think they'd keep track of that, eh? > >     Lou > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would also call back teeth, or molars, double teeth. We had a teacher at school with two sets of teeth, as kids we always used to wonder if this enabled her to eat twice as fast. Jo Perkins On 9 Feb 2012, at 09:32, Judith Harper wrote: > > > Here in NZ also we also use 'double teeth' to refer to molars - but > the > story from Velma and others about extra teeth have been very > interesting. I've not come across that condition before. > > > Judith Harper > Nelson, NZ > > > On 09/02/2012 22:07, Simon Meeds wrote: >> Yes Pat, It may make it clearer to non-British list members (or >> maybe it's even a lincolnshire thing?) that "double teeth" simply >> refers to molars. >> >> Simon >> >> >> ________________________________ >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Good Morning Jan I tried the New Hugh Wallis Site and going to Kingerby and just for her Forename Anne came up with a possible Anne WRIGHT Bapt 15 Sep 1800 Kingerby Lins Eng. Father George WRIGHT Mother Anne Batch # C010362 There is also another Ann Wright born in 1798 , but she died in 1798 so you can dismiss her as yours is living Bill Stratton Cole Harbour NS Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Moon" <janmoon52@hotmail.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:33 PM Subject: [LIN] Edward Ingleby (other spellings?) > > > > > I have this information, and I have a note that it came from West Wold > Deanery marriages 1813-1837 - but I forgot to print screen or anything for > a record (or maybe some just told me)I have never found this marriage > anywhere else. I have Edward, Anne/Ann and their daughter Charlotte on the > 1841 census, which says that Anne/Ann was born in Kingerby in 1801 - I am > trying to find her birth on Family Search or Freereg (so I can find her > parents) , but nothing for Kingerby and wonder what other place it might > be under - I do realise that it may not be exactly 1801. Suggestions, > advice very wwelcomeJan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes Pat, It may make it clearer to non-British list members (or maybe it's even a lincolnshire thing?) that "double teeth" simply refers to molars. Simon ________________________________ From: Patricia McCrory <patriciamccrory@yahoo.co.uk> To: "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012, 8:29 Subject: Re: [LIN] Double teeth Hello Velma   I didn't give this a thought when I read the wonderful "Dorothy Smith" letters but as far as I know, we have always referred to "double" teeth as any that aren't "single".  I took "drawn" to be extracted but other listers may have other information.   Pat

Hello Velma   I didn't give this a thought when I read the wonderful "Dorothy Smith" letters but as far as I know, we have always referred to "double" teeth as any that aren't "single".  I took "drawn" to be extracted but other listers may have other information.   Pat   ________________________________ Hi, I noticed in the letter that was posted that the writer referred to having 4 double teeth drawn.  Could someone tell me what that means to them?  I have a brother who had what my mother referred to as double teeth.  He had an extra set of teeth behind the regular ones in the front of his mouth (probably about 4 teeth and had to have the extras  extracted.)  Then another member of the family had about 4 teeth that did not have permanent teeth under the baby teeth.  Fortunately only one of them was in the front of the mouth.  This seems to be an inherited trait and can go either way.  My mom used this as one of the ways that she was certain that an ancestor from England  who had the same problem was ours.  I had never heard of it before it cropped up in our family and I wonder how common it is.  Do any of you have that in your family.?  It certainly caught my attention but I don't know if the author was referring to the same thing.  Fortunately this is minor compared to what s! ome people inherit.  Our family also seems to be very healthy and  have much longer lives than was the norm in earlier times.  Many lived into their 90s when all of the modern medicine and surgery was not available. I would be interested in hearing if any of you have found this in your families. Velma VJSpringer@aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Velma I also had four as a child. I did not know it was hereditary, I have not encountered such in my family since or before ( unless they took the wrong baby !!!) It my case the teeth each grew in the roof of my mouth, they had been pushed that direction by the tooth already in its place. There was not space for them to exist elsewhere. None of them were at the front and they were on both sides of my mouth. Their extraction did not effect the rest of my teeth , the normal number of teeth remained. I had them all extracted in one go, experiencing the pleasures of 'gas' and even remember stumbling as I left the dental practice. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: <vjspringer@aol.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:49 AM Subject: [LIN] Double teeth > > Hi, > > I noticed in the letter that was posted that the writer referred to having > 4 double teeth drawn. Could someone tell me what that means to them? I > have a brother who had what my mother referred to as double teeth. He had > an extra set of teeth behind the regular ones in the front of his mouth > (probably about 4 teeth and had to have the extras extracted.) Then > another member of the family had about 4 teeth that did not have permanent > teeth under the baby teeth. Fortunately only one of them was in the front > of the mouth. This seems to be an inherited trait and can go either way. > My mom used this as one of the ways that she was certain that an ancestor > from England who had the same problem was ours. I had never heard of it > before it cropped up in our family and I wonder how common it is. Do any > of you have that in your family.? It certainly caught my attention but I > don't know if the author was referring to the same thing. Fortunately > this is minor compared to what s! > ome people inherit. Our family also seems to be very healthy and have > much longer lives than was the norm in earlier times. Many lived into > their 90s when all of the modern medicine and surgery was not available. > > I would be interested in hearing if any of you have found this in your > families. > > Velma > VJSpringer@aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Double teeth are molars (the grinding, chewing teeth). Extra teeth are known as supernumeraries (usually found as inciscors - the cutting teeth at the front). Sometimes permanent incisors will erupt (appear in the mouth) before the primary or deciduous (aka "milk") teeth exfoliate (fall out) - and so give the appearance of a double line of teeth. Usually once the primary/deciduous teeth have been extracted the permanent ones will gradually move into alignment without orthodontic treatment. Elizabeth Pugh Whitehorse Yukon Canada

Thank you Duncan for this. It's a great site. A TV series has being screened about modern journeys along routes described by Bradshaw. It is great viewing. On 9 February 2012 02:42, duncan payling <duncan@payling.org> wrote: > > Hi Listers, > > Not sure if this particular site has been mentioned previously on the list but found the following worth exploring :- > > <http://www.hathitrust.org/> Digital Library > > BTW If you are interested in the old railway system and tourist description (1866) of various places in Lincolnshire/Notts and adjacent counties can recommend:- > > Bradshaw's handbook for tourists in Great Britain ... sec.4 1866, fascinating reading. Full Text version of books or single page pdf's can be downloaded for free! > > <http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015065192935> > > Duncan Payling, Melbourne -- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society          )   And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/           )   very Lincolnshire Family History Society       )  good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/          )  company.

From FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Death registration March quarter 1916, Lincoln registration district, Mary A Cheeseman, aged 81. To find the date of death you would need to order the death certificate. Buried in Washingborough. http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=549693&iid=186640 Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 09/02/2012 02:56, J & B.H. Stegeman wrote: > I am trying to find a death or Burial of Mary Ann Cheeseman wife of George Cheeseman born 1835 . The last time I have recorded her was 1911 Census . living in Heighington, nr Lincoln > Can someone help Please > Bev on Bribie Island > > ------------------------------- > >

The 1841 census does *not* say Ann was born in Kingerby. What it does say is that Edward, Ann and Charlotte were *living* in Kingerby. The 1851 census says Ann was born in Tealby. My 'old' Westwold deanery marriage index published by Lincolnshire FHS on diskette says Edward Ingleby and Ann Lee (wid) were married in 1832 in Market Rasen. Ann's maiden name *might* be Killick as an Ann Killick married a Thomas Lee in Market Rasen in 1818. (ref: Westwold deanery marriage index) Parish registers http://www.lincstothepast.com/ Advanced search, type the name of the parish followed by PAR 1 in the 'With the exact phrase' box. ******** Scroll down till you find the register and the dates you want. The 'help' section can also be helpful with further details of how to use the site. <g> (And I haven't forgotten your other query. Just been a bit busy.) Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 09/02/2012 02:33, Jan Moon wrote: > > > > I have this information, and I have a note that it came from West Wold Deanery marriages 1813-1837 - but I forgot to print screen or anything for a record (or maybe some just told me)I have never found this marriage anywhere else. I have Edward, Anne/Ann and their daughter Charlotte on the 1841 census, which says that Anne/Ann was born in Kingerby in 1801 - I am trying to find her birth on Family Search or Freereg (so I can find her parents) , but nothing for Kingerby and wonder what other place it might be under - I do realise that it may not be exactly 1801. Suggestions, advice very wwelcomeJan > > ------------------------------- > > -- Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/