On Y.M.C.A. notepaper with 'His Majesty's Fleet' heading March 21st 1916 Dear Mother, I received your letter alright. We are having a lot of rain every day so far. It is grand digging gravel all day in the wet, when we are not dodging in our tent. Got our last weeks pay to-day for a good job. If it was fine weather I would not mind staying here. Sorry I did not know Miss Overton was going down to London. Hope you are having better weather at home, or things will not run very smoothly. Baby will be able to see me in bagging trousers, for I am sending you my photo. Tell Dolly to send me the socks as soon as possible, because I might go away any day. Has Dad smoked all his tobacco yet. The young lady's name is Miss Elsie Rowe, and her home is in Suffolk. Well, remember me to all inquiring friends, especially girl friends. Excuse short letter, because I have been busy writing lately, so will close. With love to all, I remain, Your Loving Son, Joe XXXX Dolly is one of Joe's sisters.

Hi Jan: I wouldn't take anything for granted. why not look in LDS FamilySearch and see if you can find earlier records in the name of the bride or the bride's family. Wasn't 1794 around the time of the beginning of England's war with the Netherlands? That may have effected the marriage location. regards - carol

One sheet of notepaper with Y.M.C.A. with His Majesty's Fleet heading. March 16th 1916 Dear Mother, Just a few lines hoping you are all well. I got to Portsmouth alright on Wednesday night at quarter to nine. I stopped all night at the Sailors Rest, after I had been at the Hippodrome. When I got in Barracks this morning we all had to report ourselves to the drafting corporal. My place of abode for a few days is at Haslar Camp. There is plenty of water and mud up to the boot tops, and we have to sleep in tents. Shall send you my photo next time I write. I rode from Lincoln to King's Cross with a nice young lady, who had been living at Cannick Hall. We started talking, and I think we both fell in love. She has invited me to spend part of my next leave at her home in Suffolk. I expect we are waiting here for a ship, but I don't want to stay here long because it is a bit too rough. I think we get extra money for sleeping rough in tents, they lend us two blankets. Shall get a bit of digging here, digging gravel for the roads. Several of my mates were adrift this morning. Well I hope you will not fret about me too much, because God will look after me in my perils. I hope Dad will not go drinking so much, and look after you all better for my sake. Must close, with best love to you all, I remain, Your Loving Son, Joe XXXXXXXXX Joseph. W. Smith Stk II 8.C. Tent 4, C Mess, Naval Camp. Haslar, Gosport.

Hello Lou: I have also found a lot of mistakes on forms filled out by close relatives - wrong name for father, wrong location for birth place, wrong date of birth as far as actual person knows. Sometimes you can correct things and sometimes you need to just let them be, as you say Lou. best to you - Carol

If I were starting out again in this hobby, I'd start researching myself, not my oldest relative.  Getting a copy of your won birth certificate is an education in what it takes to get one of these documents.  then get your parents' marriage certificate, etc. Now, if the marriage date isn't what Mom always told you, don't confront her.  Is the father's name on your birth certificate not who you expected?  Welcome to our world.  A lot of us on this list, me included, got started because we wanted to know who our family really was. And while you are retrieving recent documents remember that "divorce" as we know it today is a relatively recent invention, as was adoption.  A lot of our relatives can't legally account for family members.  Live with it.     Lou

G'day Bev and listers You many not be aware but there were CHEESMAN family living in Barlings in the 1940's I used to go to Sunday School with Violet CHEESMAN she would be about 70 now we left Lincoln in 1962 Now in Southend SA Bridget ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Downes" <pam@five-oaks.co.uk> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] Mary Ann Cheeseman > From FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Death registration > March quarter 1916, Lincoln registration district, Mary A Cheeseman, > aged 81. > > To find the date of death you would need to order the death certificate. > Buried in Washingborough. snip

6M Mess, Portsmouth, March 2nd 1916 Dear Mother and Father, Just a few lines hoping you are all in a better state of health now. I have been waiting till I had finished rifle drill/Wednesday before writing you. When I went firing on the range I made 64 points off my right shoulder. The first time I have shot off my right shoulder. I think I were alright when passing out I know every little part of a rifle. Our class has got a week's working party, the other classes which passed out have got drafting chits. They are going to the Eastern Meditteranian. I have shifted to the men's side now, and get a job till ten every other night. I dont know whether I shall get leave next week but shall let you know. If I come home shall bring Dad half-a-pound of real sailor's plug, and Mother the coat-of-arms. I should advise you to see to Annie's throat if it will do her good. Have not received a letter from Aunt Agnes, and I don't know what address she would write to. Tell Jarv to be at home a week on Saturday, so that I should see him, if I do come home. Well I cannot grumble about the Navy so far, I get more (scran) than ever. Started drawing my rum yesterday, and also received my monthly issue of tobacco and soap. Do your require a washer woman. Well it is nearly supper time so must close with best love to all, I remain, Your Loving Son, Joe XXXXX Have not gone ashore tonight. Aunt Agnes, is Joe's fathers sister, she went to Canada as a Companion to an English Woman. She lived in Toronto.

In envelope with 1d stamp 1H Mess, Royal Naval Barracks Feb 14 1916 Dear Mother, Just a few lines to let you know I am still alive and kicking. I should have wrote last week, but I was waiting for a letter every day. Am getting on alright at rifle drill, this is my third week. We get plenty of gyms now. Have been mustering my hammock, and washing this afternoon. The air-raid it seems was not very far away, I only read a few details about it. I bet Sharp would nap his eye when he was at the police court. I had a post-card from Aunt Sarah, shall write her, when I am in a writing mood. I had a nice look round all along the fore shore last Sunday at Southsea, It is well fortified with big guns. It will be no use keeping my Sunday suit for me, so you can do what you like with it. Tired of writing, so will close with best love to all I remain, your Loving Son, Joe XXXXX

It's that time again! The LFHS website has been updated - new publications list, updated list of surnames in publications and updated "Places in which publication" list. New this time: >From fiche to CD: Lincolnshire Military Records Vol. 1 £5 Royal South Lincolnshire Militia Kesteven Militia Ballot Lists 1824 Lincolnshire Infantry Sleaford Union Workhouse Minutes (extracts) Part 1 1836-1850 Holbeach Union Workhouse Minutes (extracts) Part 6 1887-1895 Full details on LFHS website pubs list, www.genfair.co.uk and www.parishchest.com Use Genfair if you don't need to pay VAT! Also a reminder that the LFHS bookstall will be at Olympia for Who Do You Think You Are Live! on Friday 24th and Saturday 25th February, but NOT the Sunday. We will also have a range of local history and "village" books. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk

The marriage I am looking at has the groom's parish as Killingholme, and the marriage is in Stallingborough - do I assume that Stallingborough is the bride's parish?(It doesn't say)RegardsJan

Diana, I think you are referring to Letter No 5, dated 31st Jan 1916. 'Joe is talking about the attentions H Frow, has been paying to J Robinson'. I think this will be Joyce Robinson, who was a friend of Joe's sisters, Annie and Edith.     Joe and his family, were living at Osgodby, near Market Rasen, Lincs at the time.  The people Joe mentions will be his friends from the village or surrounding area. I do have a 'Agreement of Employment' for my grandfather.   "Memorandum of an agreement made this 26th day of October 1909 between John William Robinson of Kirkby-cum-Osgodby and William Lee Smith of Kirkby-cum-Osgodby" In the document J.W.Robinson is going to pay William £1 per week, plus a cottage. In return William has to pay 2s (Two Shillings) a week rent and undertake to pay the rates except those on land or property. Not a lot, William and Mary had five children at this time. Hope one of the ROBINSON's mentioned are one of yours Diana. ROBINSON is a very prolific surname in Lincolnshire. Pat

Goodmorrow List, Have not seen a mention of WISDOM TEETH ... these were the first big double teeth grown as I understand from childhood. These started to give me trouble and ache whilst in pregnancy - was told this usually happened ... and all four were one by one removed - the last one has distinct memory of it being so bad over Christmas Day that dentist agreed to see me on Boxing day to remove same - may I say memory of that was he made a "pigs ear" of it with his "pliers" - hurt like mad and he was distinctly still full of "Christmas Spirit(s)" judging by his whisky laden breath! (This was 1945 era!). Why were they called Wisdom Teeth - having myself got curious I was horrified at what was done in the "dark ages" compared to what is done today for these teeth - info by kind permission of Google!! Regards, Renee Oz

Many thanks, Pat. The dates are off. I have a Joyce Robinson, but she was born 1916, probably in North Elkington, so this is obviously not the same one. Happy hunting!   Diana Robinson (nee Gardner) Now in Rochester, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: Pat Cook [mailto:paver207@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:24 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: drobins6@rochester.rr.com Subject: Info From Joe Smith's letters - reply to Diana Diana, I think you are referring to Letter No 5, dated 31st Jan 1916. 'Joe is talking about the attentions H Frow, has been paying to J Robinson'. I think this will be Joyce Robinson, who was a friend of Joe's sisters, Annie and Edith.     Joe and his family, were living at Osgodby, near Market Rasen, Lincs at the time.  The people Joe mentions will be his friends from the village or surrounding area. I do have a 'Agreement of Employment' for my grandfather.   "Memorandum of an agreement made this 26th day of October 1909 between John William Robinson of Kirkby-cum-Osgodby and William Lee Smith of Kirkby-cum-Osgodby" In the document J.W.Robinson is going to pay William £1 per week, plus a cottage. In return William has to pay 2s (Two Shillings) a week rent and undertake to pay the rates except those on land or property. Not a lot, William and Mary had five children at this time. Hope one of the ROBINSON's mentioned are one of yours Diana. ROBINSON is a very prolific surname in Lincolnshire. Pat

Having extra teeth is something that has puzzled me in my own immediate family. My older sister and younger brother both had two sets of incisors, the second ones coming down over the first ones. I don't have them and neither do my two children or my three grandchildren yet my sister's only child, does. No grandchildren yet for my sister but if she does become a gran be interesting to see if the grandchild also has these extra teeth - genetics is fascinating! Dot On 10 February 2012 00:50, Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> wrote: > I'm not sure how common the condition is in humans, but I had a dog some dozen years ago who had it.  The vet seemed very upset about it but it didn't bother the dog at all.  Still, the vet removed the extra teeth.  They were the incisors and the canines, not the molars. > >     Lou -- Dot Holden Dover Kent UK There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity

On two sheets of notepaper headed with crossed Union Jacks R.N.B. Portsmouth Sunday .... no date Dear Mother, Just a few lines to let you know I received your letter. It is a nice day here for once, the .... is sharp like a frost. There was a fire in the dockyard this morning. The men of the first and third divisions had to go, when the duty divisional call sounded. A cook's mate got tired of living, so he hung himself in the lavatory one night last week. A young fellow who passed the doctor the same day as I, and travelled here with me, was on the H.M.S. King Edward VIII he had only just got aboard when she struck a mine. Ten men were swept away by the sea, all the rest were saved. He is back again in barracks. There seems to be several patriotic people around home yet. Sorry to hear you have got a bad cold. Mine is a lot better bar my throat is sore. I got a box of Peps, they did my cold good. I have not managed to swim very well yet. but hope to do so soon. We had a pork, potatoes, cabbage and custard and figs. All my pals tell me that I am getting fat all the better (something doing). Hope Dad is keeping straight, and tell him to remember me to J Harrison. Well, I cannot think of anything else to write. Hoping you are all well and better, I remain Your Loving Son, Joe. XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX p.s. Have not got my photo yet. Tell Baby, Joe is (Some Sailor) now. Baby was Marjorie my mother b 6 Sept 1913 Osgodby, Lincs I am still typing these letters as they are written

Hi List, Trying to find the burial of Edward Thistleton who died 1886 (Glanford Brigg) aged 80. I have found him living at North Kelsey in 1881 Census. Regards Paul Thistleton.

Sorry, Subject line should had read Letters by Joseph William Smith - No 5 Pat

In envelope with 1d stamp On two sheets of notepaper with crossed Union Jack Flags Portsmouth Jan 31st 1916 Dear Mother, I received your letter on Saturday, I passed out of my mechanical training last Thursday, but did not get rated. Only six out of 22 in our class got rated to first class stokers. I got good but you had to get V good. I only made one little mistake. I passed out of swimming last Friday morning. I had to swim the length of the whole bath in a white duck suit. I swam it the first time but it didn'nt half pull when I got to the shallow end. Started rifle drill to-day. Went to the gym this afternoon. We had to climb rope ladders, and ropes, box, a relay race, and physical drill. Have not got my photo taken yet. I expect you do not hear any thing about H Frow now-a-days. J Robinson may think herself lucky, he has given outr paying his attentions to her. She would do, if she knew as much as I do. I am quite happy here now I have got into the run of the thing, and know how to work points. I think I shall go to India or some far-away place like that for three years when I have finished my training. I hope so. Well you must excuse my short letter, because I cannot think of much to write about. Will close now with best love to you all I remain, Your Loving Son, Joe XXXXXXX XXXXXXX

I think that I missed the beginning of these letters. I am curious as to where the recipients were living simply because I have Robinson (mentioned in this letter) in one of the lines I am researching., A common name, I know, and it's a long shot - but long shots sometimes find their target. Happy hunting! Diana Robinson (nee Gardner) Now in Rochester, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: Pat Cook [mailto:paver207@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:33 PM To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Letters by Joseph William Smith In envelope with 1d stamp On two sheets of notepaper with crossed Union Jack Flags Portsmouth Jan 31st 1916 Dear Mother, I received your letter on Saturday, I passed out of my mechanical training last Thursday, but did not get rated. Only six out of 22 in our class got rated to first class stokers. I got good but you had to get V good. I only made one little mistake. I passed out of swimming last Friday morning. I had to swim the length of the whole bath in a white duck suit. I swam it the first time but it didn'nt half pull when I got to the shallow end. Started rifle drill to-day. Went to the gym this afternoon. We had to climb rope ladders, and ropes, box, a relay race, and physical drill. Have not got my photo taken yet. I expect you do not hear any thing about H Frow now-a-days. J Robinson may think herself lucky, he has given outr paying his attentions to her. She would do, if she knew as much as I do. I am quite happy here now I have got into the run of the thing, and know how to work points. I think I shall go to India or some far-away place like that for three years when I have finished my training. I hope so. Well you must excuse my short letter, because I cannot think of much to write about. Will close now with best love to you all I remain, Your Loving Son, Joe XXXXXXX XXXXXXX

Here in NZ also we also use 'double teeth' to refer to molars - but the story from Velma and others about extra teeth have been very interesting. I've not come across that condition before. Judith Harper Nelson, NZ On 09/02/2012 22:07, Simon Meeds wrote: > Yes Pat, It may make it clearer to non-British list members (or maybe it's even a lincolnshire thing?) that "double teeth" simply refers to molars. > > Simon > > > ________________________________ >