Lou and fellow Lincs This reminded me of a sad yet funny story in my family. My maternal grandfather’s real name is Michael Joseph Murphy, he was born in New York City, his parents were born in Ireland. All his life he was known as Joe Murphy. Why this was I couldn’t tell you. While doing my family history I tried to find his birth, marriage and death certificates. Couldn’t find them because I was looking for Joseph Murphy and not Michael Joseph Murphy. Curiosity got the better of me and I went to my dear Aunt to solve the mystery. I should have figured this one out and I’m sure most of you have already. She told me is name was Michael Joseph after both his grandfathers. So why Joe I asked: his mother didn’t want him called “Mick” as it was quite obvious they were from Ireland!!!! Makes perfect sense. His growing up in New York and how the Irish were treated here. I may have told this story already. Every time a student of mine asks me what I am (Irish, English, etc), I always answer: I am an American and proud of it. I am NOT a hyphenated anyone. I tell them that I am proud to be of Irish, English and German descent. This shuts them up and they begin to think of what I said. Trying to instill a lesson about prejudice. Always teaching. I, too, also look out for some “royalty” but know for sure, there isn’t any and won’t be and that’s okay. I’ve found so much about my family. I’ve also found information that either backs up or disproves family “legends”. Happy hunting everyone. Maureen On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Louis Mills <[email protected]> wrote: > On the issue of someone being "Irish": > > I noticed as a youth that my mother's family often referred to a couple of relatives as being "Irish". I never detected an accent when those people spoke, and over time I came to understand that this was a kind of "code talk" for their prejudice against them. I came to see that being "Irish" was like the lowest class of British Human - somewhat better than being Dutch or German and certainly far better than being French. > > Now, my family didn't consider themselves prejudiced, but you could tell by the words they used and the way they reacted to certain things. Sociologists tell us that it is normal for groups to consider themselves elite and to put down those outside the group. But it is embarrassing when that group is your family. On this list, we've even heard of this kind of "class warfare" against people from Yorkshire or places south of the midlands. > > I have yet to find any evidence of my family having any "Irish" lineage, other than the fact that a surname might sound Irish to someone. And, forgive me if I laugh at you when you tell me that you are "pure English". I almost laughed at my mother once when she said this. We may have Dutch kin and who knows who came over with the Romans - they weren't all Italians. And those Vikings didn't practice much birth control. > > So we are who we are, and if you find yourself descended from King Canute, Charlemagne or Louie the XIII's groom (Heck of a guy), don't be ashamed. Our language has taken in words from all over the planet. I suspect our bloodlines aren't any purer. > > Lou (list admin.) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My mother's maiden name was Jeffries and it was long said they were related to the famous "Hanging Judge" Jeffries.  Not so, though We are related to William Marwood - he who is famous for the "long drop." Bryn Keeling Sent from Molto for iPad

Family myths are a great way to get people interested in their family history, and this is the myth which got me started:It was claimed that my great grandfather jumped ship at Cape Town when he was being transported to Australia. Reality - he was born in Cape Town. Regards,Leith

Sorry! William FRENCH born 1771 Cowbit not 1798. Just in case anyone is following this! Thanks for your comment Peter! Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Atkinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Myths > Hello Ann, > I like this one, shows your father in law had a sense of humour. > > Peter > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Feb 16 2014, 10:09 AM > From: "Ann Widdowson" > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: [LIN] Myths > > I was hugely impressed years ago when I first started out researching > Family History. My late father in law announced that my husband had French > ancestry and that he was a quarter French. > > Later I discovered this to be very true - his grandmother was a Susanna > FRENCH! However, she had been born in Thorney, Cambridgeshire in 1793 and > her father, William FRENCH, had been born in Cowbit 1798. Plenty of > earlier FRENCH families in the area going back several hundred years - a > long way from France! So any French blood would have been much diluted by > 1891 when my father in law was born. > > Ann > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ann, I like this one, shows your father in law had a sense of humour. Peter ======================================== Message Received: Feb 16 2014, 10:09 AM From: "Ann Widdowson" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: [LIN] Myths I was hugely impressed years ago when I first started out researching Family History. My late father in law announced that my husband had French ancestry and that he was a quarter French. Later I discovered this to be very true - his grandmother was a Susanna FRENCH! However, she had been born in Thorney, Cambridgeshire in 1793 and her father, William FRENCH, had been born in Cowbit 1798. Plenty of earlier FRENCH families in the area going back several hundred years - a long way from France! So any French blood would have been much diluted by 1891 when my father in law was born. Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I prefer to speak of "family legends". For some 42 years my maternal great-grandfather was the vicar of a small village not too far from Lincoln. Seven of his children were born there and all except one son who died very young were brought up there. Legend No 1. The second youngest son was referred to as the black sheep of the family. He was an inventor and engineer and took out patents on a number of motor cycle related gearing products in addition to building motor cycles. He also, with a partner, built an aeroplane which is rumoured to have only left the ground for short distances when it hit bumps. My grandfather is reputed to have invested money with his inventor brother all of which he lost. The inventor's factory in Lincoln was destroyed by fire during the Lincoln riots in 1911 and some suspected that his financial state at the time may have been an influencing factor. Legend No 2. Two of the sons followed their father into the Anglican clergy. Notes left by one of my cousins said that the wife of one of the vicars had died when her husband was in his seventies whereupon he up and remarried in very short order and fathered a child. Her comment was "Dirty old sod". Reality. Both legends come back to the inventor. Yes, the motor cycle factory was burnt down in somewhat suspicious circumstances but there was no evidence of foul play. However, the inventor moved to Birmingham where he married his father's servant, resurrected his motor cycle business and eventually went into partnership with another leading motor cycle manufacturer. He fathered four children with his wife. After his fourth child was born, he fathered another four children with a woman from London and it would appear that he set up his second home, also in Birmingham. When his wife died, yes he was in his seventies, he immediately married the mother of their four children. He was definitely not a vicar. Oh! I am Lincolnshire born but merely because my father was temporarily working near Grimsby. Peter Jones -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: 15 February 2014 23:43 To: Eng Lincsgen Subject: [LIN] Admin. note: Myths vs. Reality Hi, Missing Lincs,     So, for the benefit of everyone on the list, what is your "favorite" myth vs. reality?  Here's another example: MYTH:    My ancestor owned a farm in NETHER HEREBY.... REALITY:  My ancestor leased farmland in NETHER HEREBY...            Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Susan, Apprenticeship Indenture forms were a legal document signed and countersigned by both parties, ie owners/directors, apprentice, parent/guardian, and witnesses to each parties signatures. I have my fathers form dated 1920 when he became an apprentice carpenter in the Swan Hunter and Wigham Richardson shipyard on the river Tyne. Peter ======================================== Message Received: Feb 16 2014, 07:36 AM From: "Susan Reynolds" To: "Lincolnshire Mail List" Cc: Subject: Re: [LIN] Stamford Mercury Hello, Ann! If he were apprenticed wouldn't there be a contract with his parents name on it somewhere? I'm sure it wasn't called a contract, but hanged if I can remember the name of that paper! Or had formal arrangements like that gone by the wayside by that time? I'm taking a readings course on the History of London and those apprenticeships from the 14th century forward were heavily documented and many contain a wealth of information. Were they like that everywhere? Happy time travels, Susan On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Ann Brick wrote: > Hi Scott > > The extract dated 11th June doesn't name his parents - it just says that > they lived at Uppingham. James fell off the bridge near the back of the > George Inn, St Martin's, Stamford. He was apprenticed to a chimney sweeper, > and had been 'playfully running' after another boy over the bridge when he > slipped and fell in. His body was carried away by the 'swollen and rapid > stream' and the newspaper entry on 18th June simply reports that his body > had been found the previous night. > > Hope this helps. > > Ann > > -----Original Message----- > From: mime > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LIN] Stamford Mercury > > I am hoping that someone with access to the Stamford Mercury newspapers > might be able to help. > >From a search of British newspapers I found these snippets:- > "On Tuesday afternoon, a boy about ten years of age, named James Bentham, > whose parents live at..." 11 June 1830 Stamford Mercury > "The body of James Bentham, drowned in the river Welland at ..." 18 Jun 1830 > Stamford Mercury > > If someone has access to the Stamford Mercury, could they see if the names > of the parents are given and where they lived, and where on the river > Welland did James B drown. > > Thank you for your help, > Scott B > Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was hugely impressed years ago when I first started out researching Family History. My late father in law announced that my husband had French ancestry and that he was a quarter French. Later I discovered this to be very true - his grandmother was a Susanna FRENCH! However, she had been born in Thorney, Cambridgeshire in 1793 and her father, William FRENCH, had been born in Cowbit 1798. Plenty of earlier FRENCH families in the area going back several hundred years - a long way from France! So any French blood would have been much diluted by 1891 when my father in law was born. Ann

On the issue of someone being "Irish":     I noticed as a youth that my mother's family often referred to a couple of relatives as being "Irish".  I never detected an accent when those people spoke, and over time I came to understand that this was a kind of "code talk" for their prejudice against them.  I came to see that being "Irish" was like the lowest class of British Human - somewhat better than being Dutch or German and certainly far better than being French.     Now, my family didn't consider themselves prejudiced, but you could tell by the words they used and the way they reacted to certain things.  Sociologists tell us that it is normal for groups to consider themselves elite and to put down those outside the group.  But it is embarrassing when that group is your family.  On this list, we've even heard of this kind of "class warfare" against people from Yorkshire or places south of the midlands.     I have yet to find any evidence of my family having any "Irish" lineage, other than the fact that a surname might sound Irish to someone.  And, forgive me if I laugh at you when you tell me that you are "pure English".  I almost laughed at my mother once when she said this.  We may have Dutch kin and who knows who came over with the Romans - they weren't all Italians.  And those Vikings didn't practice much birth control.     So we are who we are, and if you find yourself descended from King Canute, Charlemagne or Louie the XIII's groom (Heck of a guy), don't be ashamed.  Our language has taken in words from all over the planet.  I suspect our bloodlines aren't any purer.         Lou (list admin.)

Apprenticeship Indenture - if he was apprenticed privately by his parents it is unlikely that you will find an indenture as one copy was kept by the Master and the other was given to the apprentice when he finished his apprenticeship. If he was apprenticed by the parish one copy of the indenture would have been kept in the parish chest and may have found its way to Lincolnshire Archives with the other poor law material deposited by the parish - if it has survived, and if it has been deposited. James Bentham doesn't turn up on FMP where there is an index to most of the Lincolnshire pauper indentures. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Reynolds Sent: 16 February 2014 07:35 To: Lincolnshire Mail List Subject: Re: [LIN] Stamford Mercury Hello, Ann! If he were apprenticed wouldn't there be a contract with his parents name on it somewhere? I'm sure it wasn't called a contract, but hanged if I can remember the name of that paper! Or had formal arrangements like that gone by the wayside by that time? I'm taking a readings course on the History of London and those apprenticeships from the 14th century forward were heavily documented and many contain a wealth of information. Were they like that everywhere?

I too had a "your great grandfather owned all this land" and, as he was a "labourer" in the censuses I don't think it was likely that he owned the land he worked on! Another family legend was that the husband of one of my Lincolnshire relatives was related to Leo Tolstoy. But when I read his obituary I found that his family back in Russia had a summer 'cottage' in the same area as the Tolstoy family. It's probable that the two families did know each other - but related - NO!. Elizabeth Pugh Yukon Canada

Hello, Ann! If he were apprenticed wouldn't there be a contract with his parents name on it somewhere? I'm sure it wasn't called a contract, but hanged if I can remember the name of that paper! Or had formal arrangements like that gone by the wayside by that time? I'm taking a readings course on the History of London and those apprenticeships from the 14th century forward were heavily documented and many contain a wealth of information. Were they like that everywhere? Happy time travels, Susan On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Ann Brick <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Scott > > The extract dated 11th June doesn't name his parents - it just says that > they lived at Uppingham. James fell off the bridge near the back of the > George Inn, St Martin's, Stamford. He was apprenticed to a chimney sweeper, > and had been 'playfully running' after another boy over the bridge when he > slipped and fell in. His body was carried away by the 'swollen and rapid > stream' and the newspaper entry on 18th June simply reports that his body > had been found the previous night. > > Hope this helps. > > Ann > > -----Original Message----- > From: mime > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LIN] Stamford Mercury > > I am hoping that someone with access to the Stamford Mercury newspapers > might be able to help. > >From a search of British newspapers I found these snippets:- > "On Tuesday afternoon, a boy about ten years of age, named James Bentham, > whose parents live at..." 11 June 1830 Stamford Mercury > "The body of James Bentham, drowned in the river Welland at ..." 18 Jun 1830 > Stamford Mercury > > If someone has access to the Stamford Mercury, could they see if the names > of the parents are given and where they lived, and where on the river > Welland did James B drown. > > Thank you for your help, > Scott B > Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The family lore said that my ancestor, John Lee Reilly, as Irish but research proved that he was from Essex and so was his father before him. I guess they thought that Reilly was bound to be Irish, but such was not the case. It took a while to track him down. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: February 15, 2014 4:43 PM To: Eng Lincsgen Subject: [LIN] Admin. note: Myths vs. Reality Hi, Missing Lincs,     I spent the morning going thru the Archives of another mailing list looking for information on a place I knew too little about.  I found some good information, but I also ran across a bunch of postings that reminded me of a theme for out list.  More on that below.     One item jumped out at me.  It was a post asking a person to go to a churchyard about 8 miles away and to get a rubbing of one of the gravestones.  Now, it was dated early February a few years back, and my first thought was, "You need to say NO."  Nobody's gonna get me traipsing around a churchyard in mid-February to do a rubbing.  I've been in wet, cold churchyards with six inches of snow on the ground and I don't plan to repeat the experience.  Now, I'll admit, I didn't see the response in the archives, so, if there was one, it was "off list".  We have so many good people on this list who don't mind going out of their way to help, but let's not kill ourselves trying.     And I've still got one of those, "Hey you're a MILLS, help me with my family tree" requests in my mailbox I need to reply to.  I'm still working on the wording.     But the other mailing list had some of the same issues we've had on ours.  People believe certain myths about their families, or make up myths sometimes.  Certain truths are inconvenient.  If you find Henry and Sarah in the census listed as married and the oldest child is three, then they got married 4 years before, right?  The marriage registration must have the date wrong, eh?     So, for the benefit of everyone on the list, what is your "favorite" myth vs. reality?  Here's another example: MYTH:    My ancestor owned a farm in NETHER HEREBY.... REALITY:  My ancestor leased farmland in NETHER HEREBY...     I have found that my fellow Americans believe that everyone owned their own houses, farms, etc.  It's part of the American dream.  But one of the reasons many of our ancestors went to Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Texas, etc. is the desire to own the land they worked.  Of course, now, if you own a farm, the "people" want to take it away from you and give it to the "people".  You own the farm, you must be Rich, so we want to take it from you.     There's darn few of us who had any ancestors with money and land.  Most of my ancestors seemed adverse to holding on to any money they got, and none of them had much to pass on to their children.     Again, what is your myth and reality?            Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Scott The extract dated 11th June doesn't name his parents - it just says that they lived at Uppingham. James fell off the bridge near the back of the George Inn, St Martin's, Stamford. He was apprenticed to a chimney sweeper, and had been 'playfully running' after another boy over the bridge when he slipped and fell in. His body was carried away by the 'swollen and rapid stream' and the newspaper entry on 18th June simply reports that his body had been found the previous night. Hope this helps. Ann -----Original Message----- From: mime Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] Stamford Mercury I am hoping that someone with access to the Stamford Mercury newspapers might be able to help. >From a search of British newspapers I found these snippets:- "On Tuesday afternoon, a boy about ten years of age, named James Bentham, whose parents live at..." 11 June 1830 Stamford Mercury "The body of James Bentham, drowned in the river Welland at ..." 18 Jun 1830 Stamford Mercury If someone has access to the Stamford Mercury, could they see if the names of the parents are given and where they lived, and where on the river Welland did James B drown. Thank you for your help, Scott B Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi, Missing Lincs,     I spent the morning going thru the Archives of another mailing list looking for information on a place I knew too little about.  I found some good information, but I also ran across a bunch of postings that reminded me of a theme for out list.  More on that below.     One item jumped out at me.  It was a post asking a person to go to a churchyard about 8 miles away and to get a rubbing of one of the gravestones.  Now, it was dated early February a few years back, and my first thought was, "You need to say NO."  Nobody's gonna get me traipsing around a churchyard in mid-February to do a rubbing.  I've been in wet, cold churchyards with six inches of snow on the ground and I don't plan to repeat the experience.  Now, I'll admit, I didn't see the response in the archives, so, if there was one, it was "off list".  We have so many good people on this list who don't mind going out of their way to help, but let's not kill ourselves trying.     And I've still got one of those, "Hey you're a MILLS, help me with my family tree" requests in my mailbox I need to reply to.  I'm still working on the wording.     But the other mailing list had some of the same issues we've had on ours.  People believe certain myths about their families, or make up myths sometimes.  Certain truths are inconvenient.  If you find Henry and Sarah in the census listed as married and the oldest child is three, then they got married 4 years before, right?  The marriage registration must have the date wrong, eh?     So, for the benefit of everyone on the list, what is your "favorite" myth vs. reality?  Here's another example: MYTH:    My ancestor owned a farm in NETHER HEREBY.... REALITY:  My ancestor leased farmland in NETHER HEREBY...     I have found that my fellow Americans believe that everyone owned their own houses, farms, etc.  It's part of the American dream.  But one of the reasons many of our ancestors went to Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Texas, etc. is the desire to own the land they worked.  Of course, now, if you own a farm, the "people" want to take it away from you and give it to the "people".  You own the farm, you must be Rich, so we want to take it from you.     There's darn few of us who had any ancestors with money and land.  Most of my ancestors seemed adverse to holding on to any money they got, and none of them had much to pass on to their children.     Again, what is your myth and reality?            Lou (list admin.)

I am hoping that someone with access to the Stamford Mercury newspapers might be able to help. From a search of British newspapers I found these snippets:- "On Tuesday afternoon, a boy about ten years of age, named James Bentham, whose parents live at..." 11 June 1830 Stamford Mercury "The body of James Bentham, drowned in the river Welland at ..." 18 Jun 1830 Stamford Mercury   If someone has access to the Stamford Mercury, could they see if the names of the parents are given and where they lived, and where on the river Welland did James B drown.   Thank you for your help, Scott B Canada

Hi Nivard and Charles many thanks for your kind help with this , I do have grans death cert and will she died wrawby rd Brigg but lived in susworth I don't know my fathers side so that doesn't help and they aren't in messingham church yard or East Butterwick, they were Methodist too, anyway I shall have to contact scunny council kind regards june On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi June > > I can't speak from personal experience about Messingham but by that > period most churchyards had closed to new burials and most were at > cemeteries > > The record you have from Messingham could be the burial service but the > interment could have been at a local cemetery > > I am sure someone with better local knowledge will reply to your post > but I would think Scunthorpe cemeteries > > From a quick google it appears that North Lincolnshire Council may be > able to help you > > See > < > http://www.northlincs.gov.uk/community-advice-and-support/burials-and-cremation/searching-for-local-graves/ > > > > There is a telephone number and email address > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 14/02/2014 18:17, June Wilson wrote: > > > > Dear list > > > > > > I've had this problem for many years now and still cannot solve it so I > > was wondering if someone could advise me, firstly my grandparents Henry > gg > > Wilson and Mary Jane Wilson nee shucksmith are registered on Freereg as > > being buried in Messingham granddad died in 1928 East Butterwick though > > they lived east Butterwick road Susworth, nan died 1950 Wrawby Road > Brigg, > > I've been round the grave yard and didn't see a grave only of great > > grandparents, is there a cemetery list at all for messingham kind regards > > june > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi June Try the following http://www.northlincs.gov.uk/community-advice-and-support/births-deaths-and- marriages/family-history/researching-your-family-history/ The above will allow you to order the death certs, there is an entry for both in the years mentioned Charles anderson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 14 February 2014 19:23 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Messingham Cemetery list Hi June I can't speak from personal experience about Messingham but by that period most churchyards had closed to new burials and most were at cemeteries The record you have from Messingham could be the burial service but the interment could have been at a local cemetery I am sure someone with better local knowledge will reply to your post but I would think Scunthorpe cemeteries From a quick google it appears that North Lincolnshire Council may be able to help you See <http://www.northlincs.gov.uk/community-advice-and-support/burials-and-crema tion/searching-for-local-graves/> There is a telephone number and email address Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/02/2014 18:17, June Wilson wrote: > > Dear list > > > I've had this problem for many years now and still cannot solve it so > I was wondering if someone could advise me, firstly my grandparents > Henry gg Wilson and Mary Jane Wilson nee shucksmith are registered on > Freereg as being buried in Messingham granddad died in 1928 East > Butterwick though they lived east Butterwick road Susworth, nan died > 1950 Wrawby Road Brigg, I've been round the grave yard and didn't see > a grave only of great grandparents, is there a cemetery list at all > for messingham kind regards june ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rod & all There is also access to the BL newspapers via findmypast and genesreunited My observations below are regarding access via findmypast.com I think its more a case of additions as they had some of the Stamford Mercury back in 2011 Stamford Mercury (1820-1885) They now show 1700 to 1949 But in reality it covers 1714 to 1929 They also had Lincolnshire Chronicle (1838-1903) The above does not appear to have changed much (perhaps with the addition of 1904) There is now also The Lincolnshire Echo 1893 to 1911 (despite their listing them misleadingly as 1850 to 1949) NB the Britishnewspaperarchive have a better listing of their holding and an honest year coverage Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/02/2014 18:04, Rod Strong wrote: > Hi, > > This is a brief note to say that The Stamford Mercury has now been added to > the British Newspaper Archives on-line web site. The Stamford Mercury, > better known perhaps as The Lincoln, Rutland and Stamford Mercury is a very > useful newspaper source for family and local historians researching > Lincolnshire life. Access is charged by means of credits though I believe > one or tow 'free goes' are allowed for newcomers to the site. > > Rod S.

Hi June I can't speak from personal experience about Messingham but by that period most churchyards had closed to new burials and most were at cemeteries The record you have from Messingham could be the burial service but the interment could have been at a local cemetery I am sure someone with better local knowledge will reply to your post but I would think Scunthorpe cemeteries From a quick google it appears that North Lincolnshire Council may be able to help you See <http://www.northlincs.gov.uk/community-advice-and-support/burials-and-cremation/searching-for-local-graves/> There is a telephone number and email address Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/02/2014 18:17, June Wilson wrote: > > Dear list > > > I've had this problem for many years now and still cannot solve it so I > was wondering if someone could advise me, firstly my grandparents Henry gg > Wilson and Mary Jane Wilson nee shucksmith are registered on Freereg as > being buried in Messingham granddad died in 1928 East Butterwick though > they lived east Butterwick road Susworth, nan died 1950 Wrawby Road Brigg, > I've been round the grave yard and didn't see a grave only of great > grandparents, is there a cemetery list at all for messingham kind regards > june