Have you tried the Sheffield indexers website there are some kenworthy's on there. Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marg o'leary Sent: 21 February, 2014 9:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 Thanks Victor it is definitely Witton, not Wilton although there is a tendency for Wilton to creep in if reading hand writng eg in army records. Both his father and Grandfather were also Witton . Witton was in the 1911 census in England with his aunt Ellen Dalton, so did not spend much time in Australia before signing up for war and presumably went alone, cant find him on a ship but found this... "Missing Persons in Police Gazette, NSW 17 March 1915 Ditton Kenworthy DALTON About 35 years of age, 6 feet high, slight build, fair complexion, light brown hair, clean shaved, blue eyes, large nose, scar around his throat from a razor, Dressed in a light grey sac suit, grey soft hat, black lace up boots, a clerk, an Englishman, Inquiry at the instance of the chief constable, Sheffield, England, IR 1815 104" I wondered about the scar as the inference seems to be self inflicted, and to have just disappeared must have made family very worried. He ended up in Wilcannia NSW apaprently for a time, (a long way from anywhere then) . and then joined the army in Liverpool NSW. He must have written to his family at some stage as his only sibling Basil and his aunt Ellen wrote to the Army on many occasions, trying to establish what had happened to him. For most of the missing soldiers, they were presumed to be prisoners of war so many families did not find out until much later that they had died. So I do hope to find out what the family grave stone says. And .. as my task is to find a family member... hope to do that. I am looking for his grand mother's family, Kenworthy from Saddleworth. regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW -----Original Message----- From: Victor Markham Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 Should that be Wilton? Have you checked this. It lists the Daltons in Australia http://www.ericles.com/ego/cache/daltondata2.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

DALTON, WITTON KENWORTHY Private 867 20/07/1916 Australian Infantry, A.I.F. Australian 2. V.C. CORNER AUSTRALIAN CEMETERY AND MEMORIAL, FROMELLES from CWGC The Lincolnshire Family History Society transcribed and indexed cemeteries and church yards back in the 1980's copies are at Lincoln archives and Grimsby Library I assume probably at other Lincs libraries as well if the are for sale see http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ look under publications, you may find other resources of interest too On Ancestry there are 2 entries for Witton Dalton coming from New York to Liverpool Witton K 1902 and just Witton similar age 1907 can see the father and son 1901 census but not 1891, in America? I found the entry for his army record and it states unmarried I wonder if the reference to a son refers to WK's father ________________________________ From: marg o'leary <[email protected]> To: PAMELA BAILLIE <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 21 February 2014, 10:46 Subject: Re: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 Thanks for the look up, do you know of any resources I was asking about? regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW -----Original Message----- From: PAMELA BAILLIE Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/720986/DALTON,%20WITTON%20KENWORTHY died 20/07/1916 according to CWGC see above parents mentioned ________________________________ From: marg o'leary <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 21 February 2014, 7:28 Subject: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 Hi all new to the list and wondering if anyone can help. Found this on the net. Witton Kenworthy DALTON "Named on Queen Elizabeth Grammar School Roll of Honour, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England. Youngest son of the late Wilton Dalton (manager of the Gainsborough branch of the Sheffield Bank, of Morton). Embarked on HMAS Beltana 9.11.15 at Sydney. Lived in Wilcannia NSW. Remembered on a family headstone in North Warren Cemetery, Gainsborough? Also of his son? Missing in France July 19th 1915 R.I.P?" I wonder if anyone has a list of headstones for that cemetery.  Would like to know what the transcription says. As far as I know Witton never married. I dont know how or when he got to Australia to join up in 1915. He died in 1916 (not 1915 as above) I am actually trying to find if any family members are still around Lincolnshire. Both his father and grandfather were Witton. His mother's family, the Taylors, come from Sheffield, and have tracked back to Edna Kenworthy married William Taylor, a merchant from Brussels. And further back her parents. William Kenworthy married Sophia ? about 1800. And there it ends. Happy for any help with resources in Lincolnshire regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jane From the "Memories" section of this week's Stamford Mercury: 200 Years ago [i.e. Feb 1814] Died - On the 1st of December last, at Hayti [sic], in St. Domingo, aged 31, Mr Robert Bentham, son of Mrs Bentham, late of the Crown Inn, in this place. Regards John ________________________________ From: Jane Powell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 1 February 2014, 12:48 Subject: [LIN] 18th & 19thc School Records Hi Listers, I'm back researching my BENTHAM family from STAMFORD. John Bentham was the innkeeper of the George and Angel and later the Crown. Could someone point me in the direction of any existing school attendance lists or similar records in Stamford for the period 1780-1810 approx.?

Hi all new to the list and wondering if anyone can help. Found this on the net. Witton Kenworthy DALTON "Named on Queen Elizabeth Grammar School Roll of Honour, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England. Youngest son of the late Wilton Dalton (manager of the Gainsborough branch of the Sheffield Bank, of Morton). Embarked on HMAS Beltana 9.11.15 at Sydney. Lived in Wilcannia NSW. Remembered on a family headstone in North Warren Cemetery, Gainsborough? Also of his son? Missing in France July 19th 1915 R.I.P?" I wonder if anyone has a list of headstones for that cemetery. Would like to know what the transcription says. As far as I know Witton never married. I dont know how or when he got to Australia to join up in 1915. He died in 1916 (not 1915 as above) I am actually trying to find if any family members are still around Lincolnshire. Both his father and grandfather were Witton. His mother's family, the Taylors, come from Sheffield, and have tracked back to Edna Kenworthy married William Taylor, a merchant from Brussels. And further back her parents. William Kenworthy married Sophia ? about 1800. And there it ends. Happy for any help with resources in Lincolnshire regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW

Lou The inscription reads: In Loving Memory of/ EDWARD,/ THE BELOVED HUSBAND OF/ MARY ANN DALTON,/ OF NEW BRUMBY,/ WHO DIED FEB 2ND 1910,/ AGED 61 YEARS./ “THY WILL BE DONE.”/ ALSO OF THE ABOVE MARY ANN DALTON,/ WHO DIED SEPT 26TH 1926,/ AGED 79 YEARS./ AT REST./ ALSO OF LANCE CPL. WILLIAM BLYTH DALTON,/ 9TH LINCS. REGIMENT/ WHO DIED ON ACTIVE SERVICE/ NOVEMBER 4TH 1915, AT ALEXANDRIA/ AGED 29 YEARS./ FAITHFUL TO THE EMPIRE. Refers to:- William Blyth Dalton. Lance Corporal 14681. C Company, 6th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment (9th Battalion on memorial, 6th on both CWGC/SDGW). Died Gallipoli 4th November 1915, aged 29 years. Son of Edward and Mary Ann Dalton. Born West Halton, enlisted Scunthorpe and resident New Brumby, Lincs. Buried Alexandria (Chatby) Military and War Memorial Cemetery. B.140. Regards Charles J Anderson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: 21 February 2014 17:43 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 I don't see a "W. DALTON" listed on the Commonwealth War Graves site for World War I.  I assume that second date in the subject line should be 1916.     Lou ________________________________ From: Victor Markham <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 Should that be Wilton? Have you checked this. It lists the Daltons in Australia http://www.ericles.com/ego/cache/daltondata2.htm Victor On 21/02/2014 12:32 PM, Charles wrote: > Should be able to obtain a photograph of the Grave Marker in the next few > week, please contact me direct, there is a grave marker in Brumby Cemetery > for Cpl. William Blyth Dalton. If of interest. > Regards > Charles > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marg o'leary > Sent: 21 February 2014 07:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 > > Hi all > > new to the list and wondering if anyone can help. Found this on the net. > > Witton Kenworthy DALTON > "Named on Queen Elizabeth Grammar School Roll of Honour, Gainsborough, > Lincolnshire, England. Youngest son of the late Wilton Dalton (manager of > the Gainsborough branch of the Sheffield Bank, of Morton). Embarked on HMAS > Beltana 9.11.15 at Sydney. Lived in Wilcannia NSW. Remembered on a family > headstone in North Warren Cemetery, Gainsborough? Also of his son? Missing > in France July 19th 1915 R.I.P?" > > I wonder if anyone has a list of headstones for that cemetery.  Would like > to know what the transcription says. > > As far as I know Witton never married. I dont know how or when he got to > Australia to join up in 1915. He died in 1916 (not 1915 as above) > > I am actually trying to find if any family members are still around > Lincolnshire. Both his father and grandfather were Witton. > > His mother's family, the Taylors, come from Sheffield, and have tracked back > to Edna Kenworthy married William Taylor, a merchant from Brussels. > And further back her parents. William Kenworthy married Sophia ? about 1800. > > And there it ends. > > Happy for any help with resources in Lincolnshire > > > regards > > Marg OLeary > Port Stephens > NSW > > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Should that be Wilton? Have you checked this. It lists the Daltons in Australia http://www.ericles.com/ego/cache/daltondata2.htm Victor On 21/02/2014 12:32 PM, Charles wrote: > Should be able to obtain a photograph of the Grave Marker in the next few > week, please contact me direct, there is a grave marker in Brumby Cemetery > for Cpl. William Blyth Dalton. If of interest. > Regards > Charles > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marg o'leary > Sent: 21 February 2014 07:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 > > Hi all > > new to the list and wondering if anyone can help. Found this on the net. > > Witton Kenworthy DALTON > "Named on Queen Elizabeth Grammar School Roll of Honour, Gainsborough, > Lincolnshire, England. Youngest son of the late Wilton Dalton (manager of > the Gainsborough branch of the Sheffield Bank, of Morton). Embarked on HMAS > Beltana 9.11.15 at Sydney. Lived in Wilcannia NSW. Remembered on a family > headstone in North Warren Cemetery, Gainsborough? Also of his son? Missing > in France July 19th 1915 R.I.P?" > > I wonder if anyone has a list of headstones for that cemetery. Would like > to know what the transcription says. > > As far as I know Witton never married. I dont know how or when he got to > Australia to join up in 1915. He died in 1916 (not 1915 as above) > > I am actually trying to find if any family members are still around > Lincolnshire. Both his father and grandfather were Witton. > > His mother's family, the Taylors, come from Sheffield, and have tracked back > to Edna Kenworthy married William Taylor, a merchant from Brussels. > And further back her parents. William Kenworthy married Sophia ? about 1800. > > And there it ends. > > Happy for any help with resources in Lincolnshire > > > regards > > Marg OLeary > Port Stephens > NSW > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Should be able to obtain a photograph of the Grave Marker in the next few week, please contact me direct, there is a grave marker in Brumby Cemetery for Cpl. William Blyth Dalton. If of interest. Regards Charles -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marg o'leary Sent: 21 February 2014 07:28 To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 Hi all new to the list and wondering if anyone can help. Found this on the net. Witton Kenworthy DALTON "Named on Queen Elizabeth Grammar School Roll of Honour, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England. Youngest son of the late Wilton Dalton (manager of the Gainsborough branch of the Sheffield Bank, of Morton). Embarked on HMAS Beltana 9.11.15 at Sydney. Lived in Wilcannia NSW. Remembered on a family headstone in North Warren Cemetery, Gainsborough? Also of his son? Missing in France July 19th 1915 R.I.P?" I wonder if anyone has a list of headstones for that cemetery. Would like to know what the transcription says. As far as I know Witton never married. I dont know how or when he got to Australia to join up in 1915. He died in 1916 (not 1915 as above) I am actually trying to find if any family members are still around Lincolnshire. Both his father and grandfather were Witton. His mother's family, the Taylors, come from Sheffield, and have tracked back to Edna Kenworthy married William Taylor, a merchant from Brussels. And further back her parents. William Kenworthy married Sophia ? about 1800. And there it ends. Happy for any help with resources in Lincolnshire regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks, Nivard. He lived to be 89 and was outlived by his (second) wife - stepmother who basically raised my grandmother who was only six when her mother died. Maybe he assumed everything went to his wife automatically so did not bother with a will. As his old age was spent at "The Lodge" at Usselby I have wondered if it was on the property of a major landowner with whom he had previously been a tenant farmer. Warmly, Diana Robinson -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 5:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. note: Myths vs. Reality Hi again 1863 Morris' Directory North Owersby FLETCHER William, farmer and machine owner ---------------- 1876 Kellys Directory North Owersby FLETCHER William, farmer ---------------- Whites 1882 Directory Farmers FLETCHER William, Owston, Bawtry FLETCHER William, North Owersby, Market Rasen ---------------- 1892 Kellys Directory FLETCHER William, farmer ---------------- 1900 Kellys Directory Farmers FLETCHER Wm. Nth. Owersby, Mkt. Rsn. ---------------- I didn't see another William FLETCHER a farmer in Owersby in the census From the above and the census it suggests to me that he was a machine owner and farm tenant, who bought a small amount for himself He does not appear to leave a will which suggests he had either passed anything he had on or had sold it to live on in his old age Generally a farm manager would be called a steward or bailiff then Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/02/2014 22:02, Diana Robinson wrote: > Thank, Nivard! I suspect that the several changes of address over time make > it more likely that he was either a tenant farmer or a farm manager. Most > probably a tenant farmer, I'd guess. > > Warmly, > Diana Robinson

I don't see a "W. DALTON" listed on the Commonwealth War Graves site for World War I.  I assume that second date in the subject line should be 1916.     Lou ________________________________ From: Victor Markham <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 Should that be Wilton? Have you checked this. It lists the Daltons in Australia http://www.ericles.com/ego/cache/daltondata2.htm Victor On 21/02/2014 12:32 PM, Charles wrote: > Should be able to obtain a photograph of the Grave Marker in the next few > week, please contact me direct, there is a grave marker in Brumby Cemetery > for Cpl. William Blyth Dalton. If of interest. > Regards > Charles > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marg o'leary > Sent: 21 February 2014 07:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 > > Hi all > > new to the list and wondering if anyone can help. Found this on the net. > > Witton Kenworthy DALTON > "Named on Queen Elizabeth Grammar School Roll of Honour, Gainsborough, > Lincolnshire, England. Youngest son of the late Wilton Dalton (manager of > the Gainsborough branch of the Sheffield Bank, of Morton). Embarked on HMAS > Beltana 9.11.15 at Sydney. Lived in Wilcannia NSW. Remembered on a family > headstone in North Warren Cemetery, Gainsborough? Also of his son? Missing > in France July 19th 1915 R.I.P?" > > I wonder if anyone has a list of headstones for that cemetery.  Would like > to know what the transcription says. > > As far as I know Witton never married. I dont know how or when he got to > Australia to join up in 1915. He died in 1916 (not 1915 as above) > > I am actually trying to find if any family members are still around > Lincolnshire. Both his father and grandfather were Witton. > > His mother's family, the Taylors, come from Sheffield, and have tracked back > to Edna Kenworthy married William Taylor, a merchant from Brussels. > And further back her parents. William Kenworthy married Sophia ? about 1800. > > And there it ends. > > Happy for any help with resources in Lincolnshire > > > regards > > Marg OLeary > Port Stephens > NSW > > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/720986/DALTON,%20WITTON%20KENWORTHY died 20/07/1916 according to CWGC see above parents mentioned ________________________________ From: marg o'leary <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 21 February 2014, 7:28 Subject: [LIN] {Spam?} Witton Kenworthy DALTON 1886-1816 Hi all new to the list and wondering if anyone can help. Found this on the net. Witton Kenworthy DALTON "Named on Queen Elizabeth Grammar School Roll of Honour, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England. Youngest son of the late Wilton Dalton (manager of the Gainsborough branch of the Sheffield Bank, of Morton). Embarked on HMAS Beltana 9.11.15 at Sydney. Lived in Wilcannia NSW. Remembered on a family headstone in North Warren Cemetery, Gainsborough? Also of his son? Missing in France July 19th 1915 R.I.P?" I wonder if anyone has a list of headstones for that cemetery.  Would like to know what the transcription says. As far as I know Witton never married. I dont know how or when he got to Australia to join up in 1915. He died in 1916 (not 1915 as above) I am actually trying to find if any family members are still around Lincolnshire. Both his father and grandfather were Witton. His mother's family, the Taylors, come from Sheffield, and have tracked back to Edna Kenworthy married William Taylor, a merchant from Brussels. And further back her parents. William Kenworthy married Sophia ? about 1800. And there it ends. Happy for any help with resources in Lincolnshire regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much John, and also Nivard and Pamela, for your help. Ann -----Original Message----- From: JOHN RILEY Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Latin in parish registers The translations are "I dug his/her grave myself" "Wife of Raymund died in childbirth" Regards John ________________________________ From: Ann Brick <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014, 12:04 Subject: [LIN] Latin in parish registers I am transcribing a burial register for FreeREG and have come across a couple of Latin phrases which I hope someone will be able to translate for me: “sepulcrum eius ipse effodi” – ‘sepulcrum’ suggests it is saying something about the burial, but what? and “uxor Raymundi in partu defuncta” – I know ‘uxor’ is wife and ‘Raymundi’ presumably is Raymond, but what does the rest of it mean? These entries are from the 1940s and 1950s and I hadn’t expected to come across Latin references in such a modern register. Perhaps the vicar was just showing off! How I wish now that I had studied Latin at school! Ann --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

The translations are "I dug his/her grave myself" "Wife of Raymund died in childbirth" Regards John ________________________________ From: Ann Brick <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014, 12:04 Subject: [LIN] Latin in parish registers I am transcribing a burial register for FreeREG and have come across a couple of Latin phrases which I hope someone will be able to translate for me: “sepulcrum eius ipse effodi” – ‘sepulcrum’ suggests it is saying something about the burial, but what? and “uxor Raymundi in partu defuncta” – I know ‘uxor’ is wife and ‘Raymundi’ presumably is Raymond, but what does the rest of it mean? These entries are from the 1940s and 1950s and I hadn’t expected to come across Latin references in such a modern register. Perhaps the vicar was just showing off! How I wish now that I had studied Latin at school! Ann --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Nivard. Raymond's wife dying in childbirth certainly makes sense. The other phrase was written under the vicar's signature in the last column of the register, which seems to suggest that it was the vicar who dug the grave? Ann -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Latin in parish registers Hi Ann I am sure some Latin scholar out there will give you a precise answer but for the minute I use Google translate when I get stuck with Latin It gives :- “sepulcrum eius ipse effodi” He dug his grave “uxor Raymundi in partu defuncta” Raymond's wife died in childbirth I will be interested to know how close that pans out to be :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/02/2014 12:04, Ann Brick wrote: > I am transcribing a burial register for FreeREG and have come across a > couple of Latin phrases which I hope someone will be able to translate for > me: > > “sepulcrum eius ipse effodi” – ‘sepulcrum’ suggests it is saying something > about the burial, but what? > > and “uxor Raymundi in partu defuncta” – I know ‘uxor’ is wife and > ‘Raymundi’ presumably is Raymond, but what does the rest of it mean? > > These entries are from the 1940s and 1950s and I hadn’t expected to come > across Latin references in such a modern register. Perhaps the vicar was > just showing off! How I wish now that I had studied Latin at school! > > Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

according to google translate latin to English sepulcrum eius ipse effodi he dug his own grave “uxor Raymundi in partu defuncta uxor defuncta = wife died is partu a verb? partu came up as 'gang' on its own ________________________________ From: Ann Brick <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014, 12:04 Subject: [LIN] Latin in parish registers I am transcribing a burial register for FreeREG and have come across a couple of Latin phrases which I hope someone will be able to translate for me: “sepulcrum eius ipse effodi” – ‘sepulcrum’ suggests it is saying something about the burial, but what? and “uxor Raymundi in partu defuncta” – I know ‘uxor’ is wife and ‘Raymundi’ presumably is Raymond, but what does the rest of it mean? These entries are from the 1940s and 1950s and I hadn’t expected to come across Latin references in such a modern register. Perhaps the vicar was just showing off! How I wish now that I had studied Latin at school! Ann --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ann I am sure some Latin scholar out there will give you a precise answer but for the minute I use Google translate when I get stuck with Latin It gives :- “sepulcrum eius ipse effodi” He dug his grave “uxor Raymundi in partu defuncta” Raymond's wife died in childbirth I will be interested to know how close that pans out to be :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/02/2014 12:04, Ann Brick wrote: > I am transcribing a burial register for FreeREG and have come across a couple of Latin phrases which I hope someone will be able to translate for me: > > “sepulcrum eius ipse effodi” – ‘sepulcrum’ suggests it is saying something about the burial, but what? > > and “uxor Raymundi in partu defuncta” – I know ‘uxor’ is wife and ‘Raymundi’ presumably is Raymond, but what does the rest of it mean? > > These entries are from the 1940s and 1950s and I hadn’t expected to come across Latin references in such a modern register. Perhaps the vicar was just showing off! How I wish now that I had studied Latin at school! > > Ann

I am transcribing a burial register for FreeREG and have come across a couple of Latin phrases which I hope someone will be able to translate for me: “sepulcrum eius ipse effodi” – ‘sepulcrum’ suggests it is saying something about the burial, but what? and “uxor Raymundi in partu defuncta” – I know ‘uxor’ is wife and ‘Raymundi’ presumably is Raymond, but what does the rest of it mean? These entries are from the 1940s and 1950s and I hadn’t expected to come across Latin references in such a modern register. Perhaps the vicar was just showing off! How I wish now that I had studied Latin at school! Ann --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hoping to see some listers on Thursday, Friday or Saturday at Olympia! The Lincolnshire FHS will be there for all three days this year. There are a couple of new publications: No CDs this time I'm afraid. Louth Union Workhouse Minutes Part 1 1837-1845 Gainsborough Union Workhouse Minutes Part 5 1893-1898 A transcript of all entries that mention paupers by name including a map of the Poor Law Union, glossary of terms, extracts from some Acts of Parliament affecting paupers, and a surname index. The extracts mention paupers receiving relief both in the workhouse and outside, including asylums, and may give details of settlement and removal, medical relief, apprenticeship, bastardy cases, emigration, lunatics and maintenance payments made by paupers' relatives. These are available from www.genfair.co.uk (either book or download at a reduced price) from www.parishchest.com or you could pick up a copy at Olympia with no postage costs. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk

================================== [[[Hello Bart, I've just had a quick look again at my records. Katherine Marie Jefferies (nee Atkinson and known as Mollie) is the daughter of Robert Charles and Mary Ellen (also known as Molly). Peter.]]]: Yes, this is them. You now have her maiden name and the other's husband's name. ================================== http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl Click on “RSA”, type in “ROBERT CHARLES ATKINSON”, press “ENTER” key. For "RSA", it will check the whole country. === "LEER" means file. It should contain the Death Notice with name of husband and offspring, residence, etc. The "STARTING" would be the year of death normally. "DEPOT" for "TAB" is "Transvaal" which would include Parktown. You can order copies, it will tell you on the website how to do it. DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 4543/52 PART1 DESCRIPTION ATKINSON, MARY ELLEN. BORN BROWN. STARTING 1952 ENDING 1952 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE ROBERT CHARLES ATKINSON. === DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 1844/63 PART 1 DESCRIPTION JEFFERIES, CECIL VICTOR. STARTING 1963 ENDING 1963 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE KATHERINE MARIE JEFFERIES (BORN ATKINSON). === B.S. ========================

Hello Bart, I've just had a quick look again at my records. Katherine Marie Jefferies (nee Atkinson and known as Mollie) is the daughter of Robert Charles and Mary Ellen (also known as Molly) Peter ======================================== Message Received: Feb 18 2014, 09:54 AM From: "Peter Atkinson" To: "Bart Simon" , [email protected] Cc: Subject: RE: [LIN] Robert Charles Atkinson [!!!] Hello Bart, That's my man and his wife. I'll check out the web site you suggest. I know Robert Charles visited England on may occasions and in 1918 retuned to South Africa from London on the S.S. Kitano Maru, which was bound for Japan. Robert was listed as a ''consulting engineer'', and on that occasion was on his own. Peter ======================================== Message Received: Feb 17 2014, 10:00 PM From: "Bart Simon" To: "RW LINCS GEN" Cc: Subject: [LIN] Robert Charles Atkinson [!!!] Hello Peter: If your [Robert Charles Atkinson]’s wife name was Mary, then she is probably [Mary Ellen Brown], she d:1952 probably near Joburg. One Robert Chas Atkinson b:Abt.1866 left London for South Africa (Cape) in 1918. === http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl Click on “RSA”, type in “ROBERT CHARLES ATKINSON”, press “ENTER” key. === DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 4543/52 PART1 DESCRIPTION ATKINSON, MARY ELLEN. BORN BROWN. STARTING 1952 ENDING 1952 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE ROBERT CHARLES ATKINSON. === DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 1844/63 PART 1 DESCRIPTION JEFFERIES, CECIL VICTOR. STARTING 1963 ENDING 1963 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE KATHERINE MARIE JEFFERIES (BORN ATKINSON). === B.S. ======================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bart, That's my man and his wife. I'll check out the web site you suggest. I know Robert Charles visited England on may occasions and in 1918 retuned to South Africa from London on the S.S. Kitano Maru, which was bound for Japan. Robert was listed as a ''consulting engineer'', and on that occasion was on his own. Peter ======================================== Message Received: Feb 17 2014, 10:00 PM From: "Bart Simon" To: "RW LINCS GEN" Cc: Subject: [LIN] Robert Charles Atkinson [!!!] Hello Peter: If your [Robert Charles Atkinson]’s wife name was Mary, then she is probably [Mary Ellen Brown], she d:1952 probably near Joburg. One Robert Chas Atkinson b:Abt.1866 left London for South Africa (Cape) in 1918. === http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl Click on “RSA”, type in “ROBERT CHARLES ATKINSON”, press “ENTER” key. === DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 4543/52 PART1 DESCRIPTION ATKINSON, MARY ELLEN. BORN BROWN. STARTING 1952 ENDING 1952 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE ROBERT CHARLES ATKINSON. === DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 1844/63 PART 1 DESCRIPTION JEFFERIES, CECIL VICTOR. STARTING 1963 ENDING 1963 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE KATHERINE MARIE JEFFERIES (BORN ATKINSON). === B.S. ======================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message