With Anne's permission. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Anne Wiltshire <[email protected]> To: Louis Mills <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] White Slavery Hello Lou A son of my direct ancestor James Kelke was taken by Turkish pirates off the coast of Malaga Spain and taken to Algiers. James was the son of James, Citizen and Tallow Chandler & Margaret Kelke his wife bäptised 9 Jan 1609/10 in Southwark.  James was placed about 1623 [?] with a Mr Greene, Master of a Ship.  The ship made a trip to Malaga Spain and on its return voyage was captured by Turkish pirates and the Captain and crew were taken to Algiers.  The Captain was subsequently released (probably as a result of payment of a ransom??).  James and crew were left in Algiers. Mr Greene reported to Margaret Kelke (now Collington) on his return around two years after the ship's capture.  They had received a report of his death but it was not confirmed and the absence was long. This information is all contained in a Court of Orphans - London document seeking administration of the estate of James Kelke in the sum of £25.  The document is clearly dated but all other details are noted as "about 23 years since",  "aboute a yeare". and "about a yeare after".  The estate was shared between his two surviving brothers and a sister. Copy of original document held. Please feel free to place to mailing list if of interest. Regards Anne Wiltshire Australia -----Original Message----- From: Louis Mills Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 10:08 AM To: Eng Lincsgen Subject: [LIN] White Slavery Hi, Missing Lincs,   Just curious.  During the 16th thru 19th century, Barbary pirates captured and traded European slaves in their markets.  They captured some from sailing ships, some fishermen, and some people by raiding coastal villages.  About 20,000 of these were English and Irish.   Now, you COULD use this as an excuse for why your can't find a couple of your ancestors, but apparently the Barbary pirates weren't good at record keeping.  Their raids ceased just before the advent of Civil Registration in England.   So, do you have a family tradition of an ancestor being enslaved?  Did they eventually find freedom?       Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In 1851 the family are actually living in Worsbrough Yorkshire. HO107/2333 folio 249 page 5. Worsbrough is in Barnsley registration district. There are death registrations for four Thomas and four William Harrisons in Barnsley registration district between March quarter 1851 and December quarter 1861, and one Elizabeth Harrison in March quarter 1861. The lack of ages at death in the GRO Index for this period of time is not helpful when trying to decide if someone might be 'yours'. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/ On 08/03/2014 01:41, [email protected] wrote: > Missing information on Harrisons: > > Ca 1851, John Harrison, labourer, b. Broughton Lincolnshire and living in Northorpe. > Wife Hannah > Elizabeth age 16 > Thomas age 10 > Sarah age 6 born 'orthorpe. > > Also a William Harrison living in the household, possibly John's younger brother. > > > > Looking for Hannah, Thomas and William who have been missing since the emigration to USA of John and his two daughters around 1853. > > Any information including birth, death or marriage records for these three missing people would be greatly appreciated. I have information on the others. > > Phyllis Harrison > > ------------------------------- >

Hi Victor I would be looking at more recent editions, I think 2009 is the latest but there may be a newer one <http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Citations_%28Evidence_Style%29> But I suspect you would need more in the piggy bank :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/03/2014 22:14, Victor Markham wrote: > Just did a Google > > The book is available from Amazon for £12.46 better hurry only 3 left! > > Victor > > On 07/03/2014 10:04 PM, Louis Mills wrote: >> >> Hi, Missing Lincs, >> >> It has been a week of going thru some of our neighboring lists' postings (like you, not all my relatives are from Lincolnshire), and I was distracted by all the postings where people had mentioned a relative and a related family, only to have several others write and tell them "You're wrong". >> >> Now, I know we're all human (at least recent generations are) and we all make mistakes, but most of the errors seems to be from what I would call "jumping to conclusions". My trainign when I joined the Sheriff's department taught me to check all the evidence. The Lieutenant would tell us, "You have to look at any evidence that might prove the suspect innocent, even if they've confessed." We need to do that with our family trees, too. >> >> There's a book out that was recommended to me a few years back by a librarian at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City: "Evidence Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian" by Elizabeth Shown Mills, pub. 1997, ISBN 978-0806315430. It costs about $20 in the US. >> >> I'm going to put a note on the Frige, "What I want for my birthday:" and list the book. I haven't read it, but from what I've heard it's a great guide. You might find some reviews online. The only ones I have seen look like they were written by the publisher. If you've read it, share with the list what you thought were the strong points and the weak points. >> >> Lou (list admin.)

Just did a Google The book is available from Amazon for £12.46 better hurry only 3 left! Victor On 07/03/2014 10:04 PM, Louis Mills wrote: > > Hi, Missing Lincs, > > It has been a week of going thru some of our neighboring lists' postings (like you, not all my relatives are from Lincolnshire), and I was distracted by all the postings where people had mentioned a relative and a related family, only to have several others write and tell them "You're wrong". > > Now, I know we're all human (at least recent generations are) and we all make mistakes, but most of the errors seems to be from what I would call "jumping to conclusions". My trainign when I joined the Sheriff's department taught me to check all the evidence. The Lieutenant would tell us, "You have to look at any evidence that might prove the suspect innocent, even if they've confessed." We need to do that with our family trees, too. > > There's a book out that was recommended to me a few years back by a librarian at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City: "Evidence Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian" by Elizabeth Shown Mills, pub. 1997, ISBN 978-0806315430. It costs about $20 in the US. > > I'm going to put a note on the Frige, "What I want for my birthday:" and list the book. I haven't read it, but from what I've heard it's a great guide. You might find some reviews online. The only ones I have seen look like they were written by the publisher. If you've read it, share with the list what you thought were the strong points and the weak points. > > Lou (list admin.) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Missing information on Harrisons: Ca 1851, John Harrison, labourer, b. Broughton Lincolnshire and living in Northorpe. Wife Hannah Elizabeth age 16 Thomas age 10 Sarah age 6 born 'orthorpe. Also a William Harrison living in the household, possibly John's younger brother. Looking for Hannah, Thomas and William who have been missing since the emigration to USA of John and his two daughters around 1853. Any information including birth, death or marriage records for these three missing people would be greatly appreciated. I have information on the others. Phyllis Harrison

Here is Elizabeth Shown Mills website... http://historicpathways.com I only see her book with a 2009 date on that site. Regards, Karen Glass, Illinois LFHS # C6288 Blog: http://familyhistorywithalookingglass.blogspot.com [email protected] PORTEOUS DNA Surname Project (includes PORTAS) - http://www.familytreedna.com/public/porteous Researching in: UK--Lincolnshire, Yorkshire; USA--Kansas, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan; CA--Ontario; [includes other spelling variations] PORTEOUS; PORTAS; PORTUS; VAMPLEW; VANPLEW; PATCHETT "Give Peace a Chance" On 7Mar2014, at 4:37 PM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Victor > > I would be looking at more recent editions, I think 2009 is the latest > but there may be a newer one > > <http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Citations_%28Evidence_Style%29> > > But I suspect you would need more in the piggy bank :-( > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 07/03/2014 22:14, Victor Markham wrote: >> Just did a Google >> >> The book is available from Amazon for £12.46 better hurry only 3 left! >> >> Victor >> >> On 07/03/2014 10:04 PM, Louis Mills wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Missing Lincs, >>> >>> It has been a week of going thru some of our neighboring lists' postings (like you, not all my relatives are from Lincolnshire), and I was distracted by all the postings where people had mentioned a relative and a related family, only to have several others write and tell them "You're wrong". >>> >>> Now, I know we're all human (at least recent generations are) and we all make mistakes, but most of the errors seems to be from what I would call "jumping to conclusions". My trainign when I joined the Sheriff's department taught me to check all the evidence. The Lieutenant would tell us, "You have to look at any evidence that might prove the suspect innocent, even if they've confessed." We need to do that with our family trees, too. >>> >>> There's a book out that was recommended to me a few years back by a librarian at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City: "Evidence Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian" by Elizabeth Shown Mills, pub. 1997, ISBN 978-0806315430. It costs about $20 in the US. >>> >>> I'm going to put a note on the Frige, "What I want for my birthday:" and list the book. I haven't read it, but from what I've heard it's a great guide. You might find some reviews online. The only ones I have seen look like they were written by the publisher. If you've read it, share with the list what you thought were the strong points and the weak points. >>> >>> Lou (list admin.) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Missing Lincs,     Just curious.  During the 16th thru 19th century, Barbary pirates captured and traded European slaves in their markets.  They captured some from sailing ships, some fishermen, and some people by raiding coastal villages.  About 20,000 of these were English and Irish.     Now, you COULD use this as an excuse for why your can't find a couple of your ancestors, but apparently the Barbary pirates weren't good at record keeping.  Their raids ceased just before the advent of Civil Registration in England.     So, do you have a family tradition of an ancestor being enslaved?  Did they eventually find freedom?         Lou

Hello everyone Can I start by thanking everyone who found time to look for my William Till and Margaret ? marriage. Although I still have not found it, all the help was useful in removing some places to look at. Especial thanks though to David, who made the left field suggestion that the marriage may be abroad. I looked this week at the Anglican registers for Quebec for the Thomas Till David mentioned and surprise surprise found that the parents of Thomas are listed as William Till and Margaret. So It looks like William was born in North Scarle went to Quebec, came back from Quebec to North Scarle and along the way picked up a wife called Margaret. When looking for a marriage in North Scarle and then working out in circles parish by parish it was likely to take a long time to make it to Quebec! Again many thnaks Jim Cutts (Cutts ONS) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Meredith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] William Till of North Scarle Jim, The Notts F.H.S.marriage index currently has no record for a William TILL and Margaret ****. I checkedthe Nottingham University online Archdeaconry Catalogue which lists a marriage bond issued 11 Jan 1845 to Thomas TILL, 21 years (sic), bachelor of North Scarle, LIN and Sarah RAYNER, 21 years (sic) spinster of Kneesall, NTT – the marriage took place 3 days later at St Bartholomew’s, Kneesall. No doubt you will be aware of this Thomas. I mentioned him here because I see that for the North Scarle* census returns covering 1851-1891, he gave his place of birth variously as, ‘Quebec, America’, ‘Quebec’, ‘America’, ‘America’ and ‘United States’. Two of the returns noted he was a British Subject. (*1861 – Thomas and family were in Nottingham.) However, in 1901 ‘Beverley, Yorks’ was recorded as his place of birth. His year of birth based on ages quoted in the census and at death ranges from 1819-1822. Perhaps then the marriage of William TILL and Margaret occurred abroad? David Meredith Nottingham > From: [email protected] <snip> North Scarle is in Graffoe Deanery but it is > right on the border with Nottinghamshire. You may need to look in > Nottinghamshire for this marriage. > Hello Everyone > > I am a decendant of Ann Till Baptised 9 Mar 1823 in North Scarle. Her > Parents were William Till and Margaret (surname unknown) > > The 1851 census suggests that William was born c 1796 North Scarle and > Margaret c 1791 Beverley. > > I am trying to find the marriage of William and Margaret and wondered if > anyone had come across the marriage in your own trawls. > > Many Thanks > > Jim Cutts ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Missing Lincs,     It has been a week of going thru some of our neighboring lists' postings (like you, not all my relatives are from Lincolnshire), and I was distracted by all the postings where people had mentioned a relative and a related family, only to have several others write and tell them "You're wrong".     Now, I know we're all human (at least recent generations are) and we all make mistakes, but most of the errors seems to be from what I would call "jumping to conclusions".  My trainign when I joined the Sheriff's department taught me to check all the evidence.  The Lieutenant would tell us, "You have to look at any evidence that might prove the suspect innocent, even if they've confessed."  We need to do that with our family trees, too.     There's a book out that was recommended to me a few years back by a librarian at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City:  "Evidence Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian" by Elizabeth Shown Mills, pub. 1997, ISBN 978-0806315430.  It costs about $20 in the US.     I'm going to put a note on the Frige, "What I want for my birthday:" and list the book.  I haven't read it, but from what I've heard it's a great guide.  You might find some reviews online.  The only ones I have seen look like they were written by the publisher.  If you've read it, share with the list what you thought were the strong points and the weak points.         Lou (list admin.)

I'd like to be able to post our pictures, and see if our imagination fits the actuals. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Ellen Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. note: Is it time to change your password? Sometimes I wish that we had a "Like" button on this list! Maureen > After you've changed your password, you can go back to family history. > Hey, and I'm sorry if I broke your >heart. I still think of you. Sigh. > Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sometimes I wish that we had a "Like" button on this list! Maureen >    After you've changed your password, you can go back to family history.  Hey, and I'm sorry if I broke your >heart.  I still think of you.  Sigh.   >      Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Missing Lincs,     I've seen two e-mail accounts that have been "taken over" by spammers in the last month.  Is it time to change your e-mail password?     Make it something that is easy for you to remember, but not easy for someone else to guess.  Remember that guy who breezed into your life in 1970 and stole your heart away?  Yeah, you never told anybody about it because you turned down his offer of a trip to a tropical island.  He tempted you, but you are strong!  So use part of his name, 1970, and anything else that might help to make up a password that's new and unusual enough.  Capitalize one or more of the letters.     After you've changed your password, you can go back to family history.  Hey, and I'm sorry if I broke your heart.  I still think of you.  Sigh.         Lou (list admin.)

Hi, Missing Lincs,     Who is James STEAD of Bonby?  He is listed on the War Memorial at Bonby for World War I.  I find lots of "posssibles" when I do a search, but it would be nice to a true identity.         Lou (list admin.)

Yes, I noticed that this morning, and for some reason the entries for Spalding have "St Mary & St Nich" twice! I will put that right as another update to Spalding RD is due soon. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of corbyguy Sent: 05 March 2014 15:59 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index update Hello Anne The entries for Gosberton 1871-1911 are listed twice for each entry. Regards Jamie -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:06 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index update The following marriages have recently been added to the index, with thanks to Steve Seymour for uploading them: Spalding St Mary & St Nicholas 1871-1901 Gosberton 1871-1911. We thought that we couldn't complete Spalding to 1911 as the registers from 1901 have been returned to the church, but they are on microfiche and will be transcribed next. The address of the website is in my signature below. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Anne The entries for Gosberton 1871-1911 are listed twice for each entry. Regards Jamie -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:06 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index update The following marriages have recently been added to the index, with thanks to Steve Seymour for uploading them: Spalding St Mary & St Nicholas 1871-1901 Gosberton 1871-1911. We thought that we couldn't complete Spalding to 1911 as the registers from 1901 have been returned to the church, but they are on microfiche and will be transcribed next. The address of the website is in my signature below. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seeking advice on where I might access Wesleyan Methodist baptism records. I am looking for the baptism of Ann STEPHENSON and hopefully be able to identify her family in the 1841 and 1851 census. My great grandfather William MACKRILL married Ann STEPHENSON in the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel in Alford on 25 Dec 1855. Their marriage entry states they were both residents of Willoughby. The 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 census gives her birthplace as Hagnaby, Hagnaby, Maltby, Anderby and Agnersby. I suspect Ann may have been the non conformist as William was baptised at St. Martins, Welton Le Marsh on 10 Sep 1826 and all eight of their ten children who survived to marry, did so in the Church of England. I have their birth certificates but no baptisms. Surprisingly, to me, of the four females and two males who married in England, none did so in Willoughby which has St Helena Church of England. Thanks. Leonard Mackrill Australia

Jim, The Notts F.H.S.marriage index currently has no record for a William TILL and Margaret ****. I checkedthe Nottingham University online Archdeaconry Catalogue which lists a marriage bond issued 11 Jan 1845 to Thomas TILL, 21 years (sic), bachelor of North Scarle, LIN and Sarah RAYNER, 21 years (sic) spinster of Kneesall, NTT – the marriage took place 3 days later at St Bartholomew’s, Kneesall. No doubt you will be aware of this Thomas.  I mentioned him here because I see that for the North Scarle* census returns covering 1851-1891, he gave his place of birth variously as, ‘Quebec, America’, ‘Quebec’,  ‘America’, ‘America’ and ‘United States’.  Two of the returns noted he was a British Subject. (*1861 – Thomas and family were in Nottingham.) However, in 1901 ‘Beverley, Yorks’ was recorded as his place of birth. His year of birth based on ages quoted in the census and at death ranges from 1819-1822. Perhaps then the marriage of William TILL and Margaret occurred abroad? David Meredith Nottingham > From: [email protected] <snip> North Scarle is in Graffoe Deanery but it is > right on the border with Nottinghamshire. You may need to look in > Nottinghamshire for this marriage. > Hello Everyone > > I am a decendant of Ann Till Baptised 9 Mar 1823 in North Scarle. Her > Parents were William Till and Margaret (surname unknown) > > The 1851 census suggests that William was born c 1796 North Scarle and > Margaret c 1791 Beverley. > > I am trying to find the marriage of William and Margaret and wondered if > anyone had come across the marriage in your own trawls. > > Many Thanks > > Jim Cutts

The following marriages have recently been added to the index, with thanks to Steve Seymour for uploading them: Spalding St Mary & St Nicholas 1871-1901 Gosberton 1871-1911. We thought that we couldn't complete Spalding to 1911 as the registers from 1901 have been returned to the church, but they are on microfiche and will be transcribed next. The address of the website is in my signature below. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk

Hello Jim, This marriage isn't in our index which covers Graffoe, Lincoln, Lawres and Corringham deaneries 1700-1837. North Scarle is in Graffoe Deanery but it is right on the border with Nottinghamshire. You may need to look in Nottinghamshire for this marriage. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jimcutts Sent: 02 March 2014 16:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] William Till of North Scarle Hello Everyone I am a decendant of Ann Till Baptised 9 Mar 1823 in North Scarle. Her Parents were William Till and Margaret (surname unknown) The 1851 census suggests that William was born c 1796 North Scarle and Margaret c 1791 Beverley. I am trying to find the marriage of William and Margaret and wondered if anyone had come across the marriage in your own trawls. Many Thanks Jim Cutts ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Everyone I am a decendant of Ann Till Baptised 9 Mar 1823 in North Scarle. Her Parents were William Till and Margaret (surname unknown) The 1851 census suggests that William was born c 1796 North Scarle and Margaret c 1791 Beverley. I am trying to find the marriage of William and Margaret and wondered if anyone had come across the marriage in your own trawls. Many Thanks Jim Cutts