My sincere apologies to both Anne and the list. I meant to send the message direct to Anne. (Though at least I didn't totally disgrace myself by rabbiting on about a visit to the dentist, my holiday, or the weather. :) ) Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/ On 02/05/2014 03:30, Pam Downes wrote: > Hello Anne, > > I think there is an incorrect year given for a marriage in Boston RD. > Isaac INGAMELLS married Mary Ann BROCKLESBY in Skirbeck St Nicholas. > The marriage index says 27 May 1862, but the GRO Index says June quarter > 1863. > I desperately hope it is 1863 as the lady who I believe was Isaac's > first wife (who he also married at Skirbeck St Nicholas) wasn't buried > until 5 January 1863. :) (In Sibsey where they were living in 1861.) > > Can I also point out that Spalding RD still says 'years covered > 1837-1870' though you posted a message to the Lincs-GEN list last month > saying that Spalding RD was as complete as you can make it. > > Best wishes > > Pam > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/ > > > ------------------------------- > > -- Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/

Hello Anne, I think there is an incorrect year given for a marriage in Boston RD. Isaac INGAMELLS married Mary Ann BROCKLESBY in Skirbeck St Nicholas. The marriage index says 27 May 1862, but the GRO Index says June quarter 1863. I desperately hope it is 1863 as the lady who I believe was Isaac's first wife (who he also married at Skirbeck St Nicholas) wasn't buried until 5 January 1863. :) (In Sibsey where they were living in 1861.) Can I also point out that Spalding RD still says 'years covered 1837-1870' though you posted a message to the Lincs-GEN list last month saying that Spalding RD was as complete as you can make it. Best wishes Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/

Hi, Missing Lincs,     I know, you should be out in the yard watching the mushrooms grow on that old stump, sipping a nice glass of fine wine, but gie some thought to this.     AOL is implementing DMARC.  I won't go into the details here, but it can impact AOL members of this list.  AOL has a poor history with mailing lists because of their proprietary e-mail software.  They meet MOST Internet standards, but not all.  DMARC is not yet universally used for e-mail.  The concepts behind it are good, but implementation varies.     If you are an AOL e-mail user and you notice that your Rootsweb e-mail has stopped, you will need to complain to AOL.  There is not much that Rootsweb or I can do about it.  Alternatives for AOL users are few.         Lou (list admin.)

Yes, I agree with you about the rifling.  In fact, it may have been the introduction of good quality machining tools and equipment that may have made the rifle popular.  They could me mass-produced, the bolts were interchangeable, as were most of the other parts, and the bolts could be made to seal the end of barrel.  Things it was hard to do before the 19th century. Thanks for the link. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Funny what pops up in the papers Hi Lou There is a good piece on the Volunteer units here <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Force_%28Great_Britain%29> Like a lot of things, Rifling was a much earlier invention but not really introduced until the 19th century for several reasons Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/04/2014 17:57, Louis Mills wrote: > Many "rifle" companies were formed in the late 1860s in towns and cities to promote the use and accurate shooting with the new "bolt action, breech-loading rifles" that were being introduced.  No more ramming the powder and bullet down the barrel and hoping that the bullet would travel strait and true.  I've never fired a muzzle loader, but I've been told it was a cumbersome weapon.  If you tilted the barrel down, the bullet might roll out.  And when you pulled the trigger, you had to maintain your aim on the target until the bullet cleared the barrel - only a fraction of a second but still longer than one might expect. > > >>From what I've read, rifling was introduced before the bolt-action was developed.  But the guns were so different that it was felt that men should be trained on them while teh country was still at peace since peace never seemed to last very long.  And there were many people alive who remembered Napoleon's threats to invade England or recall the Lower Canada Rebellion of 1837 and the Crimean war. > >          Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Lou there is a great deal of useful information contained in Wills and I have found them invaluable. It can be rather off-putting to have to wade through all the legal phraseology, stuffed full of "the said", "heretofore", "wheresoever and whatsoever" etc. and usually one sentence from start to finish. I believe that solicitors were able to charge per word so to make a simple will seem complex they padded them out and charged accordingly. How the often illiterate testator was able to understand that his wishes were properly recorded is a mystery to me. A modern will by comparison is a model of clarity. It would be an excellent project if someone could set up a clearing house so that anyone who had gone through the agony of transcribing an old will could make it available for other researchers. I would certainly be willing to offer my transcriptions for others to view. Antony -----Original Message----- From: Louis Mills [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 April 2014 16:33 To: Eng Lincsgen Subject: [LIN] Lincolnshire WIlls Hi, Missing LIncs,     I know that there are a few of you who think "My ancestor was poor and didn't need to leave a Will."  But you might be surprised.  I like them because they are a treasure trove of information.  Sometimes they tell you where missing kin have flitted off to, or who a daughter has married.

If you have a will transcription on your computer, I'd be happy to put it (them) on the same web page.  I can usually accept them in any form created by most software.  I no longer have Microsoft Works on my machine, but if you save the file as Rich Text Format that would be ideal.  MS Word is OK, PDF is great. Takes me a day or three to get them up to the server.     Lou ________________________________ From: Antony Barber <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Lincolnshire WIlls I agree with Lou there is a great deal of useful information contained in Wills and I have found them invaluable.  It can be rather off-putting to have to wade through all the legal phraseology, stuffed full of "the said", "heretofore", "wheresoever and whatsoever" etc. and usually one sentence from start to finish. I believe that solicitors were able to charge per word so to make a simple will seem complex they padded them out and charged accordingly.  How the often illiterate testator was able to understand that his wishes were properly recorded is a mystery to me.  A modern will by comparison is a model of clarity. It would be an excellent project if someone could set up a clearing house so that anyone who had gone through the agony of transcribing an old will could make it available for other researchers.  I would certainly be willing to offer my transcriptions for others to view. Antony -----Original Message----- From: Louis Mills [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 April 2014 16:33 To: Eng Lincsgen Subject: [LIN] Lincolnshire WIlls Hi, Missing LIncs,     I know that there are a few of you who think "My ancestor was poor and didn't need to leave a Will."  But you might be surprised.  I like them because they are a treasure trove of information.  Sometimes they tell you where missing kin have flitted off to, or who a daughter has married. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Scott The entry is there on Ancestry but they have mis-transcribed Joseph's age as 42 and Ann as 33 ! I got the piece, folio and page from FMP and entered just those items in to Ancestry. You might want to raise a correction with Ancestry. Bill Copy of so called printer friendly bit is below. Name: Joseph Dixon Age: 42 Estimated birth year: 1819 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Dixon Gender: Male Where born: Coxton, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Barrow on Humber County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Registration district: Glanford Brigg Sub-registration district: Barton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 111 Piece: 2403 Folio: 35 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Dixon 42 Ann Dixon 33 -----Original Message----- From: mime Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 3:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] Joseph & Ann Dixon I am hoping someone can help me find the 1861 Census image on Ancestry for Joseph & Ann Dixon. FamilySearch has them in their 1861 Census as:- Joseph Dixon born 1799 in Croxton, Lincs Ann Dixon born 1798 in Barrow, Lincs Registration District: Glanford Brigg Sub-District: 3 Barton Parish: Barrow Upon Humber Although I don't have a FindMyPast subscription, a basic search does have them in the 1861 Census also as Joseph Dixon born 1799 & Ann born 1798 living in Barrow upon Humber, Glanford Brigg. Sadly in Ancestry, using every combination I can think of, I cannot find them. I am hoping that someone might be able to find them on Ancestry, or through FMP, and provide the ED, Household Schedule, Piece, Folio and page number for them in the 1861 Census. Thank you for your help, Scott B Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Scott - It has taken a bit of searching but I found the couple on Find my Past living at High Street, Barrow upon Humber he a Framer of 21 Acres - aged 62. The Ancestry record was found vis the "Browse individual records" where you put in the county then the place and knowing from find my past it was registration district 09 and the address High Street. I had forgotten to note the schedule number but looking page by page at High Street - they are under schedule number 111.  The ancestry page used to negotiate backwards and forwards was p.23.   The writing is atrocious and Find my Past did well to get the details.  Ancestry has them correctly names but the ages are way out - Joseph's birth year was given as 1819 and Ann as 1828.  The place of birth for Joseph was also shown as Coxton.  I hope that this will be enough to enable you to find them. Pat Horton  - North Lincolnshire ________________________________ From: mime <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2014, 15:11 Subject: [LIN] Joseph & Ann Dixon I am hoping someone can help me find the 1861 Census image on Ancestry for Joseph & Ann Dixon.   FamilySearch has them in their 1861 Census as:- Joseph Dixon born 1799 in Croxton, Lincs Ann Dixon born 1798 in Barrow, Lincs Registration District: Glanford Brigg  Sub-District: 3 Barton  Parish: Barrow Upon Humber   Although I don't have a FindMyPast subscription, a basic search does have them in the 1861 Census also as Joseph Dixon born 1799 & Ann born 1798 living in Barrow upon Humber, Glanford Brigg.   Sadly in Ancestry, using every combination I can think of, I cannot find them.   I am hoping that someone might be able to find them on Ancestry, or through FMP, and provide the ED, Household Schedule, Piece, Folio and page number for them in the 1861 Census.   Thank you for your help, Scott B Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Scott, Info from FMP below: First Name JOSEPH Last Name DIXON Relationship HEAD OF FAMILY Condition MARRIED Gender Male Age 62 Year Of Birth 1799 Occupation FARMER OF 21 ACRES Birth Town CROXTON Birth County LINCOLNSHIRE Birth Place - House Name - Street HIGH STREET Parish BARROW UPON HUMBER Town - City - Registration District GLANFORD BRIGG County Lincolnshire Country ENGLAND Archive Reference RG09 Piece Number 2403 Folio 35 Page 22 Record set 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Have tried putting the details into Ancestry and its still not returning the record - hopefully you will have more success than I had! If you need any other info please contact me off list. Regards, Linda -----Original Message----- From: mime Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 3:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] Joseph & Ann Dixon I am hoping someone can help me find the 1861 Census image on Ancestry for Joseph & Ann Dixon. FamilySearch has them in their 1861 Census as:- Joseph Dixon born 1799 in Croxton, Lincs Ann Dixon born 1798 in Barrow, Lincs Registration District: Glanford Brigg Sub-District: 3 Barton Parish: Barrow Upon Humber Although I don't have a FindMyPast subscription, a basic search does have them in the 1861 Census also as Joseph Dixon born 1799 & Ann born 1798 living in Barrow upon Humber, Glanford Brigg. Sadly in Ancestry, using every combination I can think of, I cannot find them. I am hoping that someone might be able to find them on Ancestry, or through FMP, and provide the ED, Household Schedule, Piece, Folio and page number for them in the 1861 Census. Thank you for your help, Scott B Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A big THANK YOU for all your help.  I found my 1861 Dixons :-{).  Not often I give up but am afraid Ancestry had won that round.  What with the wrong ages, mis-spelling of Croxton, Ancestry insisting and constantly correcting the birth place of Barrow to Barrowby and the frustration of knowing that FMP and FS had no problem with my Dixon's, this had been a real challenge!!  Corrections have been sent off to Ancestry so hopefully this road will be easier to go down for the next person.   Again a thank you to all the listers that helped, it was greatly appreciated. Scott B Canada

Hi, Missing LIncs,     I know that there are a few of you who think "My ancestor was poor and didn't need to leave a Will."  But you might be surprised.  I like them because they are a treasure trove of information.  Sometimes they tell you where missing kin have flitted off to, or who a daughter has married.     Ros Dunning has contributed 17 wills for you to read and I've got another one from Kitty Parker, too.  And Ros has at least one more in the pipeline, but I wanted to let you know that these are available.  It's a good chance to see how the wills were written, terms used and relationships spelled out.  Many ask for a distribution of funds a whole year after the person has died.  Well, you read 'em.  You'll see.         http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Wills/index.html             Lou

I am hoping someone can help me find the 1861 Census image on Ancestry for Joseph & Ann Dixon.   FamilySearch has them in their 1861 Census as:- Joseph Dixon born 1799 in Croxton, Lincs Ann Dixon born 1798 in Barrow, Lincs Registration District: Glanford Brigg  Sub-District: 3 Barton  Parish: Barrow Upon Humber   Although I don't have a FindMyPast subscription, a basic search does have them in the 1861 Census also as Joseph Dixon born 1799 & Ann born 1798 living in Barrow upon Humber, Glanford Brigg.   Sadly in Ancestry, using every combination I can think of, I cannot find them.   I am hoping that someone might be able to find them on Ancestry, or through FMP, and provide the ED, Household Schedule, Piece, Folio and page number for them in the 1861 Census.   Thank you for your help, Scott B Canada

John You may also like to know that Colin stopped teaching because he started to lose his hearing. That was when he started writing the Morse stories. That is the story he has told the National Association of Deafened People for which he is a member and attends their AGM Victor On 22/04/2014 11:31 PM, John Bland wrote: > I am sure that most people know due to the references in the programmes that > Colin Dexter writer of the Morse TV detective series was a Stamford boy as > was his brother Ted who taught me Classics and a smattering of Latin at > Kings, Peterborough - Schola Regia Petreburgiensis! > > Most of the Grammar and Public Schools had School magazines that recorded > various awards of achievement, old pupils associations etc and also would > put their pupils through the annual photograph of the whole School event > that would usually result in a photograph several feet long. Many also have > records of ex pupils who lost their lives in the two World Wars and other > conflicts. There will also usually be some form of published school history, > so if you know that an ancestor attended a School of this type it is always > worth contacting them to see what is available. > > John Bland > > Email: [email protected] > Twitter: @JohnRGBland > > Member of the > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JOHN RILEY > Sent: 22 April 2014 21:25 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LIN] Stamford School archives circa 1921 > > Glad to hear it Nivard - Floreat Schola Stamfordiensis! > > I also have a copy of that register, including the supplement which was > issued in the mid--60s. > > John > > > ________________________________ > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2014, 13:11 > Subject: Re: [LIN] Stamford School archives circa 1921 > > > Hi John > > Just a short update > > I emailed Stamford school and was not expecting a reply for a while as > its the Easter holidays, but received a very prompt reply within a few hours > > They were not able to add much but did send a scan of the page in the > register of Stamford School 1532 - 1960 in which my father appears in 1921 > > So it appears he was only there a year or so, he was just eight so I am > just grateful I found the entry in the paper > > Still, it all adds to a part of the story of his life > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 22/04/2014 10:28, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Many thanks John >> >> Yes I was going to do that later >> >> It being the Easter hols I thought it unlikely I would get a response >> just now but will try later > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am sure that most people know due to the references in the programmes that Colin Dexter writer of the Morse TV detective series was a Stamford boy as was his brother Ted who taught me Classics and a smattering of Latin at Kings, Peterborough - Schola Regia Petreburgiensis! Most of the Grammar and Public Schools had School magazines that recorded various awards of achievement, old pupils associations etc and also would put their pupils through the annual photograph of the whole School event that would usually result in a photograph several feet long. Many also have records of ex pupils who lost their lives in the two World Wars and other conflicts. There will also usually be some form of published school history, so if you know that an ancestor attended a School of this type it is always worth contacting them to see what is available. John Bland Email: [email protected] Twitter: @JohnRGBland Member of the Lincolnshire Family History Society -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JOHN RILEY Sent: 22 April 2014 21:25 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Stamford School archives circa 1921 Glad to hear it Nivard - Floreat Schola Stamfordiensis! I also have a copy of that register, including the supplement which was issued in the mid--60s. John ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2014, 13:11 Subject: Re: [LIN] Stamford School archives circa 1921 Hi John Just a short update I emailed Stamford school and was not expecting a reply for a while as its the Easter holidays, but received a very prompt reply within a few hours They were not able to add much but did send a scan of the page in the register of Stamford School 1532 - 1960 in which my father appears in 1921 So it appears he was only there a year or so, he was just eight so I am just grateful I found the entry in the paper Still, it all adds to a part of the story of his life Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/04/2014 10:28, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Many thanks John > > Yes I was going to do that later > > It being the Easter hols I thought it unlikely I would get a response > just now but will try later ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glad to hear it Nivard - Floreat Schola Stamfordiensis! I also have a copy of that register, including the supplement which was issued in the mid--60s. John ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2014, 13:11 Subject: Re: [LIN] Stamford School archives circa 1921 Hi John Just a short update I emailed Stamford school and was not expecting a reply for a while as its the Easter holidays, but received a very prompt reply within a few hours They were not able to add much but did send a scan of the page in the register of Stamford School 1532 - 1960 in which my father appears in 1921 So it appears he was only there a year or so, he was just eight so I am just grateful I found the entry in the paper Still, it all adds to a part of the story of his life Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/04/2014 10:28, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Many thanks John > > Yes I was going to do that later > > It being the Easter hols I thought it unlikely I would get a response > just now but will try later ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lou There is a good piece on the Volunteer units here <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Force_%28Great_Britain%29> Like a lot of things, Rifling was a much earlier invention but not really introduced until the 19th century for several reasons Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/04/2014 17:57, Louis Mills wrote: > Many "rifle" companies were formed in the late 1860s in towns and cities to promote the use and accurate shooting with the new "bolt action, breech-loading rifles" that were being introduced. No more ramming the powder and bullet down the barrel and hoping that the bullet would travel strait and true. I've never fired a muzzle loader, but I've been told it was a cumbersome weapon. If you tilted the barrel down, the bullet might roll out. And when you pulled the trigger, you had to maintain your aim on the target until the bullet cleared the barrel - only a fraction of a second but still longer than one might expect. > > >>From what I've read, rifling was introduced before the bolt-action was developed. But the guns were so different that it was felt that men should be trained on them while teh country was still at peace since peace never seemed to last very long. And there were many people alive who remembered Napoleon's threats to invade England or recall the Lower Canada Rebellion of 1837 and the Crimean war. > > Lou

Hi John Just a short update I emailed Stamford school and was not expecting a reply for a while as its the Easter holidays, but received a very prompt reply within a few hours They were not able to add much but did send a scan of the page in the register of Stamford School 1532 - 1960 in which my father appears in 1921 So it appears he was only there a year or so, he was just eight so I am just grateful I found the entry in the paper Still, it all adds to a part of the story of his life Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/04/2014 10:28, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Many thanks John > > Yes I was going to do that later > > It being the Easter hols I thought it unlikely I would get a response > just now but will try later

Another new find in the online papers I earlier found mentions of my grandfather and brothers in the Retford Rifles, it seems their father was also in a rifle volunteer regiment Stamford Mercury Feb 14th 1873 13th Lincolnshire Rifle Volunteers The 17th competition for the challenge cup took place on the 6th inst. Eight members competed: distances 200 and 600 yards, 5 shots at each. Private Edw. Fred. YOELL became the winner with 25 points. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Many thanks John Yes I was going to do that later It being the Easter hols I thought it unlikely I would get a response just now but will try later I had great success at another school my father went to, who were really helpful, they even sent a school magazine circa 1929/30 in which my father featured a few times in debating societies and in the Rugby team, along with a great team photo with him in I also made contact with my mothers school in Bucks and they very kindly supplied photo copies of the school year photos in which my then very young mother featured So its definitely worth trying Thanks for the feedback Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/04/2014 06:23, JOHN RILEY wrote: > Nivard > > If you have a specific request, I would suggest you contact the School themselves. On their website > > http://www.ses.lincs.sch.uk/page/?title=Contacting+Us&pid=82 > > they have the contact details for a Marketing Manager. I suspect that they hold most of their archives themselves, but you never know. > > I have some copies of the School magazine from 1928-1932, and can do look-ups if anyone is interested. > > John

Many "rifle" companies were formed in the late 1860s in towns and cities to promote the use and accurate shooting with the new "bolt action, breech-loading rifles" that were being introduced.  No more ramming the powder and bullet down the barrel and hoping that the bullet would travel strait and true.  I've never fired a muzzle loader, but I've been told it was a cumbersome weapon.  If you tilted the barrel down, the bullet might roll out.  And when you pulled the trigger, you had to maintain your aim on the target until the bullet cleared the barrel - only a fraction of a second but still longer than one might expect. >From what I've read, rifling was introduced before the bolt-action was developed.  But the guns were so different that it was felt that men should be trained on them while teh country was still at peace since peace never seemed to last very long.  And there were many people alive who remembered Napoleon's threats to invade England or recall the Lower Canada Rebellion of 1837 and the Crimean war.         Lou ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 4:15 AM Subject: [LIN] Funny what pops up in the papers Another new find in the online papers I earlier found mentions of my grandfather and brothers in the Retford Rifles, it seems their father was also in a rifle volunteer regiment Stamford Mercury Feb 14th 1873 13th Lincolnshire Rifle Volunteers The 17th competition for the challenge cup took place on the 6th inst. Eight members competed: distances 200 and 600 yards, 5 shots at each. Private Edw. Fred. YOELL became the winner with 25 points. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)