Have none of you ever heard of illegitimate children? Unless the father was gay, but let's face it that doesn't rule children out either, and gentlemen of those times were quite literally expected to have relations with the staff. Elaine Westaway Hampshire UK Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

>From the FreeReg Lincs web site The Bride's father was Thomas HALL and The Groom's father was James GROCOCK They were married on the 14 May 1863 In Kirton in Holland in St Peter and St Paul church The Groom's name was Charles in looking at the Hugh Wallis site for Kirby in Holland there is no birth for Mary Ann HALL with a father named Thomas under Batch # P 00607 Bill Stratton Cole Harbour NS Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > Can someone help with my long standing brick wall please. Charles James > Grocock married Mary Ann Hall at Kirton Parish Church 14 May 1863. I > have been unable to find either of these people on any census after this > date. I know Mary Ann was born in Kirton, and I think Charles was born > Lincolnshire also. Any information on this family would be most > appreciated.

I'd be interested in any findings on this topic too. In the 70s a paternal relative of my husband's claimed to have found that his BACON line was "descended from Sir Isaac Newton". I know this isn't possible and have been very sceptical about it. Our Bacons were in Essex in the C17th but a link with the BALMs in Lincs is a possibility. Strangely there is an Ayscough connection on my husband's TEAT line but the relatives who had done the research in the 70s have no connection with the TEATs. I noticed news reports online that there is a project to look for living relatives of Sir Isaac. Perhaps they have more documentation. Sara

Hi Phyllis I can only assume you are lumping other lists in with Rootsweb lists Unless its relevant to an enquiry, politics and religion are banned from rootsweb, as is advertising You do on occasion get an irate post but thats rare and quite often from the same person(s) trying to get a response to their posts, the best method is the delete key Rude? yes on occasion but generally A is reading an email posted by B and taking umbrage, usually incorrectly, email is a hard medium to get emotion across, what one person posts may be innocuous to 99% of readers, but one may read it as insulting or whatever they feel it is on that day, we all have bad days and get out of bed the wrong side, I find its best to read and reread several times if I think its inflammatory With rootsweb, generally the list admin will step in if they feel there is a potential problem, more often than not before it evolves into anything Regarding no replies, generally it means no one has the answer or the question is not very well composed, if I get no reply I re-frame the enquiry or try another list Regarding the lack of courtesy, for my part I do not reply to enquiries to get a slap on the back (although its nice when you get a thank you of course) I long ago gave up losing sleep over a lack of response from an enquirer, if they do, thats fine, if they don't, its a pity but so what, people are busy with house, garden, children and a multitude of things to remember to do everything they should, I am guilty of not replying when someone has given me a tasty snippet, when you receive something you are off on the chase and sometimes forget to say thanks The best time to post is of course when its quiet, so was there anything in Lincolnshire we can help you with? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/05/2014 01:42, [email protected] wrote: > HI All, > I was very active on dozens of lists since the 1980s. Here is a list of why I am down to this one and the Yorkshire list: > ? > -No reply whatsoever to my queries > -Rude, angry or flaming replies from members or the person in charge of the list > -some members refusing to consider new information and insisting that?their information was the only right information even when problems were pointed out > -lists charging members annual dues for upkeep of a website somewhere > - lack of courtesy (ex- "Thank you for taking the time to look that up for me!") > -off-topic political or personal rants > - lately, no time. > ? > I am interested in this list and need a lot more information but I need the time and also to find out where I can get more information before I ask for help. In other words, I don't know enough to know the questions to ask. > It looks like a great list! > Phyllis

Hi Victor > May be for us but not the younger generation. But it behoves us to teach the younger generation how to do things properly doesn't it? Splitting hairs I know but really don't see any speed difference between lists and facebook, only with lists its far better organised and easier to follow I don't often have the need for a translator add on but will keep that in mind in case I find a long lost foreign speaking person :-) I use firefox and like the way you can have add ons for various things I also use Thunderbird but gave up filing emails in folders as its just unnecessary IMHO with Thunderbird as its search is so good I just archive by year after deleting those I don't want to save I use rootsweb archive search everyday, I do a fair amount of research for others and in so doing need to know what has been posted before or what that enquirer has asked before (as often the enquirer gives too little information to deal with the enquiry, and you often find they have asked the same question before, and often had it answered :-) Also, I am on over 80 lists but can't see every mention of my surnames/subjects of interests, so the archives are a mine of useful information For example there are 16 posts in the archives regarding the name MARKHAM in May 2014, some involving your good self of course, but if you don't periodically check you may be missing a vital and hitherto unknown link posted on some far flung list you would never have thought of joining I don't generally find it a problem keeping track of list posts (unlike facebook which I find a nightmare) if someone replies without including part of the previous post it should refer to, or changes the subject line, I will normally have it on my computer or can find it in the archives in a few seconds I am not saying facebook is useless, far from it, but horses for courses, for swapping chit chat, keeping in contact or funny pictures of cats, facebook is great, but for more structured research and following a line of thought or research, and keeping an easily found record of it, there is nothing IMHO to better the rootsweb lists List posts are much easier on the eye and my screen is not taken up by a hoard of adverts I don't want to see, on facebook I can only actually see a third of the screen for messages, the rest is adverts and things they want me to see, games etc I have zero interest in I know you can avoid adverts using a smart phone or tablet but they have their own drawbacks) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

They say that there are no guarantees in life.  E-mail is one of them. It's free, but that doesn't mean you get a certificate of delivery.  You can blame the government for "eating" your e-mail, but there are dozens of reasons.  I once sent an e-mail from my office to me home and it took 7 days to get there!  That's pretty slow for a 16 mile trip.  Internet Service Providers don't make a farthing off of e-mail, so some of them give it very little attention. I'll admit, sometimes the problem is at Rootsweb.  But most of the time the problem is with your own service provider.  I feel sorry for a lot of you when British Telecom decides to reconfigure its e-mail servers.  I lost a ton of e-mail when my service provider "upgraded" their e-mail system in 2010.  So, here's hoping they don't the same to you. I just keep on plugging along.  If I don't get an answer or see my e-mail posted, I just go off and do other things (after making a note to check on it later).  I have a white binder that's bulging with family history sheets with questions written all over them.  That'll keep me busy.     Lou (list admin.) > On Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:33 AM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Victor > >> May be for us but not the younger generation. > > But it behoves us to teach the younger generation how to do things > properly doesn't it? > > Splitting hairs I know but really don't see any speed difference between > lists and facebook, only with lists its far better organised and easier > to follow > > I don't often have the need for a translator add on but will keep that > in mind in case I find a long lost foreign speaking person :-) > I use firefox and like the way you can have add ons for various things > > I also use Thunderbird but gave up filing emails in folders as its just > unnecessary IMHO with Thunderbird as its search is so good I just > archive by year after deleting those I don't want to save > > I use rootsweb archive search everyday, I do a fair amount of research > for others and in so doing need to know what has been posted before or > what that enquirer has asked before (as often the enquirer gives too > little information to deal with the enquiry, and you often find they > have asked the same question before, and often had it answered :-) > Also, I am on over 80 lists but can't see every mention of my > surnames/subjects of interests, so the archives are a mine of useful > information > > For example there are 16 posts in the archives regarding the name > MARKHAM in May 2014, some involving your good self of course, but if you > don't periodically check you may be missing a vital and hitherto unknown > link posted on some far flung list you would never have thought of joining > > I don't generally find it a problem keeping track of list posts (unlike > facebook which I find a nightmare) if someone replies without including > part of the previous post it should refer to, or changes the subject > line, I will normally have it on my computer or can find it in the > archives in a few seconds > > I am not saying facebook is useless, far from it, but horses for > courses, for swapping chit chat, keeping in contact or funny pictures of > cats, facebook is great, but for more structured research and following > a line of thought or research, and keeping an easily found record of it, > there is nothing IMHO to better the rootsweb lists > > List posts are much easier on the eye and my screen is not taken up by a > hoard of adverts I don't want to see, on facebook I can only actually > see a third of the screen for messages, the rest is adverts and things > they want me to see, games etc I have zero interest in > I know you can avoid adverts using a smart phone or tablet but they have > their own drawbacks) > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Years ago I published some web pages on "Frequently Asked Questions" regarding this list nad how to use it.  It's still out there at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~englin/Lincsgen_faq.htm This is a very helpful group of people, but we've all got other things going on in our lives, spouses and grown children who need attention, jobs, other volunteer work, etc.  And some of us limit our time online to keep balance in our lives. I've noticed that people asking a specific question (one person, one place, one fact) get the best responses.  As a retired teacher I try to tell people where the answers are, but other list members relish giving you back the details. Rootsweb has to keep the list focused on Lincolnshire family history (or they get in trouble with legal issues), so if you start asking about people or places outside Lincolnshire, I'll remind you of the restriction.  "Newbies" are welcome on the list.  We all started out as Newbies, so we've been there. The list is fairly quiet right now (many of them are).  We don't get much Spam anymore and most of the mean people are on other lists.  So dive in and welcome aboard.     Lou (list admin.) > On Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:55 AM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Phyllis > > I can only assume you are lumping other lists in with Rootsweb lists > > Unless its relevant to an enquiry, politics and religion are banned from > rootsweb, as is advertising > > You do on occasion get an irate post but thats rare and quite often from > the same person(s) trying to get a response to their posts, the best > method is the delete key > > Rude? yes on occasion but generally A is reading an email posted by B > and taking umbrage, usually incorrectly, email is a hard medium to get > emotion across, what one person posts may be innocuous to 99% of > readers, but one may read it as insulting or whatever they feel it is on > that day, we all have bad days and get out of bed the wrong side, I find > its best to read and reread several times if I think its inflammatory > > With rootsweb, generally the list admin will step in if they feel there > is a potential problem, more often than not before it evolves into anything > > Regarding no replies, generally it means no one has the answer or the > question is not very well composed, if I get no reply I re-frame the > enquiry or try another list > > Regarding the lack of courtesy, for my part I do not reply to enquiries > to get a slap on the back (although its nice when you get a thank you of > course) I long ago gave up losing sleep over a lack of response from an > enquirer, if they do, thats fine, if they don't, its a pity but so what, > people are busy with house, garden, children and a multitude of things > to remember to do everything they should, I am guilty of not replying > when someone has given me a tasty snippet, when you receive something > you are off on the chase and sometimes forget to say thanks > > The best time to post is of course when its quiet, so was there anything > in Lincolnshire we can help you with? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > On 17/05/2014 01:42, [email protected] wrote: >> HI All, >> I was very active on dozens of lists since the 1980s. Here is a list of why > I am down to this one and the Yorkshire list: >> ? >> -No reply whatsoever to my queries >> -Rude, angry or flaming replies from members or the person in charge of the > list >> -some members refusing to consider new information and insisting that?their > information was the only right information even when problems were pointed out >> -lists charging members annual dues for upkeep of a website somewhere >> - lack of courtesy (ex- "Thank you for taking the time to look that up > for me!") >> -off-topic political or personal rants >> - lately, no time. >> ? >> I am interested in this list and need a lot more information but I need the > time and also to find out where I can get more information before I ask for > help. In other words, I don't know enough to know the questions to ask. >> It looks like a great list! >> Phyllis > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree with you Jan Lists are far and away the best medium I have used, knock the rest into a cocked hat Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/05/2014 23:26, Jan Moon wrote: > Interesting data Nivard - I hope lists never die, so many great people out there happy to share their knowledge > Regards > Jan

Interesting data Nivard - I hope lists never die, so many great people out there happy to share their knowledge Regards Jan

On 17/05/2014 12:38 AM, Peter Holmes wrote: > Victor, > > Some possible solutions to the incoming "hoards of Danes"(or their words at > least!). > > There are some translation web sites that you can cut & paste blocks of text > to. Some of their converted text might have weird English versions so will > need some more interpretation. > > Google Danish genealogy and look for contributions in English, find the > author(s) (often in USA) and perhaps contact those private individuals as > some may have the time to translate for you. Peter As I have explained I have an add on on my Firefox browser called Im translator where I simply highlight the foreign text and prompt the little symbol that appears. A box then pops up above the foreign words with the English transcription. No need to copy and paste unless I want to keep that message. Firebox also has Bing translation. The start of the thread Bing translates the first message all other messages in the thread is translated by the Im Translator. How people organise things is up to them. In my case for messages I want to keep I simply move them into a folder (I use Thunderbird) which is on the left of my message in box. The inbox messages or on my ISP but the folders (I have about 100 of them) or outside the ISP and in my computer. I have no need to do a rootsweb search Victor > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Victor, Some possible solutions to the incoming "hoards of Danes"(or their words at least!). There are some translation web sites that you can cut & paste blocks of text to. Some of their converted text might have weird English versions so will need some more interpretation. Google Danish genealogy and look for contributions in English, find the author(s) (often in USA) and perhaps contact those private individuals as some may have the time to translate for you. Some Danish genealogy web sites in English might have a conversion glossary of Danish genealogical words to English. This aspect was very helpful to me - but with a Dutch twist so that I could research my wife's family side. Copy & past the glossary into an excel file (so that you can sort alphabetically and print it (also make use of a hard copy English to Danish to English dictionary for words that are not on the original Danish - with these new words add them to the end of your excel file and press "sort" in the data sub menu, gradually increasing the size of your own conversion able). Then copy and paste the Danish text into a word file of its own (adding the Danish words to your dictionary). Then use the "find and replace all" feature in the edit sub menu and insert the frequently found Danish words & press OK. By doing this progressively you should arrive at a readable document in English. It worked for me! Long winded process, but better than nothing I found at that time before the proliferation of "apps"! Peter Holmes Western Australia. 0429 910910 Skype ; p.g.holmes -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Victor Markham Sent: Saturday, 17 May 2014 4:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Lincs list seems to be quiet A couple of weeks ago a Dane contacted me about my joining his Facebook Family group. My late brother in law has Danish ancestors. I agreed to join and a wealth of information came through...all in Danish! I haven't a clue what was being said.

Hello Al you have to do is Ask .. If you haven't given us enough information than we will asked you for the information You won't get some of the questions answered if you don't ask Bill Stratton Cole Harbour NS Canada Scribe for Freereg Lincs. Site ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 9:42 PM Subject: [LIN] Disappearing Lists > I am interested in this list and need a lot more information but I need > the time and also to find out where I can get more information before I > ask for help. In other words, I don't know enough to know the questions to > ask. > It looks like a great list! > Phyllis

On 16/05/2014 10:01 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Victor > > There is no doubt it is a possible medium for making contact with some > you may not with rootsweb, but as far as the way forward? no not in my > opinion May be for us but not the younger generation. > > I see no difference between lists and facebook as far as replying, both > can be live, ie reply as soon as you receive it, both will await your > return if you are out or other wise engaged Facebook is that bit quicker than emails. Replies can be almost instant > > I have no problem regarding the ability to add images as I do it often, > I upload to Flickr (a free site) or use the rootsweb boards which do > take attachments and they are perfectly legible I have set up Yahoo for this as Facebook images can be too compressed. Flicker is an alternative or having your own web site. I think I have too many to add extras > > Again I have no great problem on the odd occasion I swap mails with > someone in a foreign language, when I have the need I simply copy and > paste the text into google translate, not perfect but a darned sight > better than my foreign languages <g> My browser has an add on called Im translator. Can you add this to yours? I am on Firefox. All you need to do is highlight the text and a little symbol appears just prompt this and it get translated to the language of your choice > > Where facebook fails miserably is in its lack of archives, if you are a > member of a facebook page, you can search it for previous posts, but if > you are not, you have no way of knowing what has been posted before, so > all that good information is lost unlike rootsweb lists or boards That is true. As to rootsweb archives you have to remember if anything has been posted. It is an awful long time since I did a rootsweb search. If there is anything of particular interest to me I move it into a folder. Say one named Markham all details about this name are moved into that folder and I can check them any time. I use Thunderbird so have no idea if this can be done with other systems. When it comes to Face book if there is anything of interest then you must save it on your computer. That is your archive. If something comes up much later you can post a message asking about it > > I find it a nightmare just keeping track of enquiries on facebook and > some of the replies on there would be hilarious if they were not so > misleading It is also a nightmare on rootsweb list too and some replies are just as bad > > So yes, facebook is *a* medium to use but oh so flawed and restricted Like I said it is the younger people who may prefer this to us. With Facebook you have to join groups and there can be too many groups so rootsweb list has the advantage in this way Victor > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 16/05/2014 21:35, Victor Markham wrote: >> A couple of weeks ago a Dane contacted me about my joining his Facebook >> Family group. >> >> My late brother in law has Danish ancestors. >> >> I agreed to join and a wealth of information came through...all in >> Danish! I haven't a clue what was being said. But the Dane contact >> replied to my messages both in Danish and English. Unlike Rootsweb > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Victor There is no doubt it is a possible medium for making contact with some you may not with rootsweb, but as far as the way forward? no not in my opinion I see no difference between lists and facebook as far as replying, both can be live, ie reply as soon as you receive it, both will await your return if you are out or other wise engaged I have no problem regarding the ability to add images as I do it often, I upload to Flickr (a free site) or use the rootsweb boards which do take attachments and they are perfectly legible Again I have no great problem on the odd occasion I swap mails with someone in a foreign language, when I have the need I simply copy and paste the text into google translate, not perfect but a darned sight better than my foreign languages <g> Where facebook fails miserably is in its lack of archives, if you are a member of a facebook page, you can search it for previous posts, but if you are not, you have no way of knowing what has been posted before, so all that good information is lost unlike rootsweb lists or boards I find it a nightmare just keeping track of enquiries on facebook and some of the replies on there would be hilarious if they were not so misleading So yes, facebook is *a* medium to use but oh so flawed and restricted Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/05/2014 21:35, Victor Markham wrote: > A couple of weeks ago a Dane contacted me about my joining his Facebook > Family group. > > My late brother in law has Danish ancestors. > > I agreed to join and a wealth of information came through...all in > Danish! I haven't a clue what was being said. But the Dane contact > replied to my messages both in Danish and English. Unlike Rootsweb

A couple of weeks ago a Dane contacted me about my joining his Facebook Family group. My late brother in law has Danish ancestors. I agreed to join and a wealth of information came through...all in Danish! I haven't a clue what was being said. But the Dane contact replied to my messages both in Danish and English. Unlike Rootsweb photos can be added which is an advantage but when the photos, including family trees, are large they are compressed and no words can be read as they are very blurred. The Dane then added me to a genealogist forum on Facebook. Again every message was in Danish! But I then discovered that my browser has an addum which translates any language into any other language. I have been using this. In a way I find this a big improvement over rootsweb simply because you can reply to message 'live' and get a response back within a few seconds. Could this be the way forward? If you re not at your computer you can reply to messages when you are. The message appear on my mobile but I don't have a translator on there to can't read Danish Victor On 16/05/2014 5:42 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Barry > > I did see your previous post on this problem > > But as far as I can see it is only you suffering with it > > Are you entering from your own countries servers? ie not using a proxy site? > > I cannot think of a reason you are having the problem > > What are you downloading > > Are they always in the same language and if so what is it? > > When you say "prints" are the downloads in English on your computer > before you try and print them? > > What format are the downloads, JPEG, PDF or ??? > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 16/05/2014 17:33, Barry Wilson wrote: >> As we seem to be discussing message problems, I wonder if anyone can tell >> me why Family Search prints downloads in a Foreign Language, this has been >> going on now for 2 months, and although I have been in touch with the site, >> there appears to be on answer from them. I have even enlisted the help of >> the Ancestry insider, and although we have tried several different >> solutions, I seem to be stuck with the problem. Bazza > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI All, I was very active on dozens of lists since the 1980s. Here is a list of why I am down to this one and the Yorkshire list: ? -No reply whatsoever to my queries -Rude, angry or flaming replies from members or the person in charge of the list -some members refusing to consider new information and insisting that?their information was the only right information even when problems were pointed out -lists charging members annual dues for upkeep of a website somewhere - lack of courtesy (ex- "Thank you for taking the time to look that up for me!") -off-topic political or personal rants - lately, no time. ? I am interested in this list and need a lot more information but I need the time and also to find out where I can get more information before I ask for help. In other words, I don't know enough to know the questions to ask. It looks like a great list! Phyllis

Not the way forward...just another tool. The lists are far more valuable - both for the archives and the expertise. Things are quiet I think because we all have to sort papers, haha. Kathryne Natale [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Victor Markham <[email protected]> To: eng-lincsgen <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, May 16, 2014 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [LIN] Lincs list seems to be quiet A couple of weeks ago a Dane contacted me about my joining his Facebook Family group. My late brother in law has Danish ancestors. I agreed to join and a wealth of information came through...all in Danish! I haven't a clue what was being said. But the Dane contact replied to my messages both in Danish and English. Unlike Rootsweb photos can be added which is an advantage but when the photos, including family trees, are large they are compressed and no words can be read as they are very blurred. The Dane then added me to a genealogist forum on Facebook. Again every message was in Danish! But I then discovered that my browser has an addum which translates any language into any other language. I have been using this. In a way I find this a big improvement over rootsweb simply because you can reply to message 'live' and get a response back within a few seconds. Could this be the way forward? If you re not at your computer you can reply to messages when you are. The message appear on my mobile but I don't have a translator on there to can't read Danish Victor On 16/05/2014 5:42 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Barry > > I did see your previous post on this problem > > But as far as I can see it is only you suffering with it > > Are you entering from your own countries servers? ie not using a proxy site? > > I cannot think of a reason you are having the problem > > What are you downloading > > Are they always in the same language and if so what is it? > > When you say "prints" are the downloads in English on your computer > before you try and print them? > > What format are the downloads, JPEG, PDF or ??? > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 16/05/2014 17:33, Barry Wilson wrote: >> As we seem to be discussing message problems, I wonder if anyone can tell >> me why Family Search prints downloads in a Foreign Language, this has been >> going on now for 2 months, and although I have been in touch with the site, >> there appears to be on answer from them. I have even enlisted the help of >> the Ancestry insider, and although we have tried several different >> solutions, I seem to be stuck with the problem. Bazza > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barry I did see your previous post on this problem But as far as I can see it is only you suffering with it Are you entering from your own countries servers? ie not using a proxy site? I cannot think of a reason you are having the problem What are you downloading Are they always in the same language and if so what is it? When you say "prints" are the downloads in English on your computer before you try and print them? What format are the downloads, JPEG, PDF or ??? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/05/2014 17:33, Barry Wilson wrote: > As we seem to be discussing message problems, I wonder if anyone can tell > me why Family Search prints downloads in a Foreign Language, this has been > going on now for 2 months, and although I have been in touch with the site, > there appears to be on answer from them. I have even enlisted the help of > the Ancestry insider, and although we have tried several different > solutions, I seem to be stuck with the problem. Bazza

As we seem to be discussing message problems, I wonder if anyone can tell me why Family Search prints downloads in a Foreign Language, this has been going on now for 2 months, and although I have been in touch with the site, there appears to be on answer from them. I have even enlisted the help of the Ancestry insider, and although we have tried several different solutions, I seem to be stuck with the problem. Bazza On 16 May 2014 17:27, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > My personal opinion is its a mixture of all sorts of things > > People are a lot more computer savvy these days > (well some are :-) > > Many know how to use google much better than they did and many of the > questions people asked in the past have been answered many times over > and are now easily findable with a search engine > > There are many more sites with help or guidance than there once was > > There are various other means to communicate, facebook, twitter, Skype > etc plus there seems to be a proliferation of other forums on commercial > companies own web sites, personally I do not find any of them any use > and certainly not a patch on Rootsweb lists > > I don't think its much to do with Facebook or twitter as they are not > good methods for research, its hard to keep track of even one enquiry > and once a question moves down the timeline its gone for good, > particularly for those who are not a member of that page, they are not > archived like rootsweb lists so very limited > > Then there is the seemingly never ending release of new records, there > are many Parish Records online now so a researcher can do so much more > now than they used to be able to do > > There are many and various resources for ordering certificates etc than > there used to be > > Put all these and more into the pot and it all adds up and I think are > in the main the posts are not what they once were > > There is also the problem of ISPs blocking legitimate posts at present > which is being a real pain (AOL & Yahoo in particular) > > NB do check your web spam folder as you may find some missing posts in > there, I am currently find 50% or more in the gmail spam folder are list > posts > > Its interesting to see the posting history and how its changed > > Being more than a little concerned over the lack of posts I looked to > see what the history was a short while ago > > 1995 61,995 > 1996 210,162 > 1997 716,101 > 1998 2,152,539 > 1999 3,302,115 > 2000 3,931,985 > 2001 4,052,681 > 2002 4,115,241 > 2003 3,399,842 > 2004 2,857,416 > 2005 2,787,756 > 2006 2,594,323 > 2007 2,284,090 > 2008 1,901,271 > 2009 1,548,959 > 2010 1,211,834 > 2011 973,341 > 2012 868,220 > 2013 658,274 > 2014 184,025 to date 26th April 2014 > (extrapolates to approx 553,000 for year) > > Curiously I found approximately 50 or so on average per year posted in > > every year, 2015 up the first year I found with no posts 2038 ! > > Doctor Who ? > > Interestingly the earliest post was 1901 ! <g> > > I suspect some need to keep an eye on their computer clocks & dates > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 16/05/2014 11:28, Hank & Joan Van Daalen wrote: > > I've noticed the same thing and wondered if people are now getting all > their > > data from the proliferation of websites, and perhaps not using the lists > any > > more. If so, it's a pity as there is nothing like the personal contacts > and > > stories we get from the lists. > > > > Joan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My personal opinion is its a mixture of all sorts of things People are a lot more computer savvy these days (well some are :-) Many know how to use google much better than they did and many of the questions people asked in the past have been answered many times over and are now easily findable with a search engine There are many more sites with help or guidance than there once was There are various other means to communicate, facebook, twitter, Skype etc plus there seems to be a proliferation of other forums on commercial companies own web sites, personally I do not find any of them any use and certainly not a patch on Rootsweb lists I don't think its much to do with Facebook or twitter as they are not good methods for research, its hard to keep track of even one enquiry and once a question moves down the timeline its gone for good, particularly for those who are not a member of that page, they are not archived like rootsweb lists so very limited Then there is the seemingly never ending release of new records, there are many Parish Records online now so a researcher can do so much more now than they used to be able to do There are many and various resources for ordering certificates etc than there used to be Put all these and more into the pot and it all adds up and I think are in the main the posts are not what they once were There is also the problem of ISPs blocking legitimate posts at present which is being a real pain (AOL & Yahoo in particular) NB do check your web spam folder as you may find some missing posts in there, I am currently find 50% or more in the gmail spam folder are list posts Its interesting to see the posting history and how its changed Being more than a little concerned over the lack of posts I looked to see what the history was a short while ago 1995 61,995 1996 210,162 1997 716,101 1998 2,152,539 1999 3,302,115 2000 3,931,985 2001 4,052,681 2002 4,115,241 2003 3,399,842 2004 2,857,416 2005 2,787,756 2006 2,594,323 2007 2,284,090 2008 1,901,271 2009 1,548,959 2010 1,211,834 2011 973,341 2012 868,220 2013 658,274 2014 184,025 to date 26th April 2014 (extrapolates to approx 553,000 for year) Curiously I found approximately 50 or so on average per year posted in every year, 2015 up the first year I found with no posts 2038 ! Doctor Who ? Interestingly the earliest post was 1901 ! <g> I suspect some need to keep an eye on their computer clocks & dates Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/05/2014 11:28, Hank & Joan Van Daalen wrote: > I've noticed the same thing and wondered if people are now getting all their > data from the proliferation of websites, and perhaps not using the lists any > more. If so, it's a pity as there is nothing like the personal contacts and > stories we get from the lists. > > Joan