What does it say on their death certificates? Another good reason to send for one. Joan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barry Wilson Sent: May 29, 2014 9:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. Note: Early 1800s Hi Lou, your exclamations of the situation in Northern England and Lincolnshire in particular are quite something, but I cannot even find out what inflection attacked Langtoft, to cause the death of 4 of my relatives who were born there in the year 1852, from February to November. Bazza On 28 May 2014 22:39, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Missing Lincs, > > Yes, this is my new e-mail address. It is, so far, DMARC-proof, > so my LINCSGEN mail gets delivered to me here. > > I saw on another list that someone wondered why so many people > moved about the country in the early 1800s. Well, they didn't have > smart phones, apparently, so I guess they couldn't get all the answers by staying home! > Sorry, those of us who have followed a smart-phone user in the > grocery store know about the urge to smash a smart-phone between two cans of beans. > :-) > > No, the early 1800s were an interesting time. Blockades were used > to cut off supplies to Napoleon, and the blockades cut the supply of > some markets to our ancestors in Lincolnshire, too. When they were > lifted about 1815, suddenly we had an influx of cheap goods, and > unemployed soldiers and sailors. The "Irish Potato Famine" in 1840, > also affected potato growers in northern England and we had another > influx of Irish labourers. The first steam engine for commercial use > was developed by James WATT in 1781 and began to be widely used for farming, industry, draining the fens, etc. > One of my ancestors apparently was fascinated by the steam engine and > learned to drive a steam tractor. From there he got a job driving a > steam engine on the railroads, another new presence in the early 1800s. > > So we had a lot going on in northern England and it was a time for > some people to take advantage of the new jobs, others lost their jobs > doue to industrialization. The Luddites burned a lot of frame-work > knitting machines, even the ones run by hand or horsepower. There was > some social unrest because of ideas that had been around since the > French and American Revolutions and the government was committed to > the idea of "one man, one vote", which was new and dangerous in the > eyes of some. Civil Registration came along, an obvious plot by the > government to many folk and a lot of parish boundaries were "adjusted" > to include areas that were outside their boundaries. > > The first steamship was built in 1837 (the SS Sirius), which began > reliable service over the oceans. > > They must have been heady times. You could move somewhere else > where pay was better. You could take your trade somewhere where it was needed. > You could go to one of the new countreis were land was free (or at > least cheap), and own your own farm. Wow! It's actually a wonder > more of them didn't go. > > Lou (list admin.) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There was indeed mining in Lincolnshire - Woodhall Spa has its town symbol Mining equipment the tower, etc often seen in the NE (Durham). How long ago I am not sure.

It was cholera epidemic which rampaged through the entire country in the early 1850's. Elaine Westaway Hampshire UK Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Dear Kate Thank you for that info, but you are both right and wrong, there was a mine shaft sunk at Woodhall as it then was in 1821 by John Parkinson in an attempt to find coal as most of what was used in Lincolnshire came from the Pennines at that time, but none was found, all that was found was a conduit of salty water, following an accident during some work with explosives in the mine and a resulting fatality the mine shaft was closed and wooden planks laid over the top, but with a couple of years the mine shaft was full of the salty water and it was bubbling up over the top, it as then noticed that cattle who had drunk from the water where cured of some ailments and when the local lord of the manor tried some and found it help with his gout, he initially built a small bath house over the spring and later turned it into a spa hence the former village of Woodhall became the town of Woodhall spa. so the reason that the town has mine workings in it's sign is that without the ill-fated attempt at mining there would have been no spa town. Kind regards Elaine On Thursday, 29 May 2014, 9:21, kate b <[email protected]> wrote: There was indeed mining in Lincolnshire - Woodhall Spa has its town symbol Mining equipment the tower, etc often seen in the NE (Durham). How long ago I am not sure. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good day just wondering if William's mother was named Rebeckah ? there was a William ESPING Baptised on the 16 Nov 1757 Netting, Lins, Father John. Bill Stratton ----- Original Message ----- From: "elaine westaway" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:05 PM Subject: [LIN] Espin in Stamford I wonder if anyone can help me I am looking for more info on my Espin ancestors, I have a William Espin born in Stamford in 1759 and baptised there in the same year under the spelling ESPING. what I want to know is what was his and his father's trade. my family come from his second marriage and the children of his first marriage fared far better financially than those of his second marriage, William died in 1814 in Barlings and his widow re-married a couple of years later with one of his children Ishmael Espin as a witness, but his children from the second marriage where working on the land and involved in petty crime to live. Any info on William Espin and his father John and their time in Stamford would be most welcome. Thanks Elaine Westaway Hampshire UK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry to bother the list with this request but I can't seem to get an answer anywhere! Is anyone else having trouble seeing the images of the Parish Registers on Lincstothepast? I can do the search but then the screen shows up blank with a crossed circle in the top left-hand corner. Do I need any special program to view the images? Thanks! Ruth, Ontario,Canada

I wonder if anyone can help me I am looking for more info on my Espin ancestors, I have a William Espin born in Stamford in 1759 and baptised there in the same year under the spelling ESPING. what I want to know is what was his and his father's trade. my family come from his second marriage and the children of his first marriage fared far better financially than those of his second marriage, William died in 1814 in Barlings and his widow re-married a couple of years later with one of his children Ishmael Espin as a witness, but his children from the second marriage where working on the land and involved in petty crime to live. Any info on William Espin and his father John and their time in Stamford would be most welcome. Thanks Elaine Westaway Hampshire UK

There was another reason for movement and that was mining,amongst my west country ancestors there are many surnames that trace their origins back to the midlands and the north east and this was because of tin mining in Cornwall and  of course the clay industry down there too, for instance Armstrong is a surname that only appears in Northumberland except for one line in Cornwall which hails back to the 1600's and was a man from the very old Lead mining industry in the north east who came to Cornwall to help with their lead mining industry and married and stayed. I know it doesn't really apply to Lincolnshire as I don't think there was any mining there but certainly there was in Nottinghamshire and Yorkshire and many of my lead and tin mining ancesters crossed over the Bristol channel when the tin and lead mining industry died in Cornwall and went to South Wales to start mining coal. regards Elaine Westaway Hampshire UK On Wednesday, 28 May 2014, 22:39, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, Missing Lincs,     Yes, this is my new e-mail address.  It is, so far, DMARC-proof, so my LINCSGEN mail gets delivered to me here.     I saw on another list that someone wondered why so many people moved about the country in the early 1800s.  Well, they didn't have smart phones, apparently, so I guess they couldn't get all the answers by staying home!  Sorry, those of us who have followed a smart-phone user in the grocery store know about the urge to smash a smart-phone between two cans of beans.  :-)     No, the early 1800s were an interesting time.  Blockades were used to cut off supplies to Napoleon, and the blockades cut the supply of some markets to our ancestors in Lincolnshire, too.  When they were lifted about 1815, suddenly we had an influx of cheap goods, and unemployed soldiers and sailors.  The "Irish Potato Famine" in 1840, also affected potato growers in northern England and we had another influx of Irish labourers.  The first steam engine for commercial use was developed by James WATT in 1781 and began to be widely used for farming, industry, draining the fens, etc.  One of my ancestors apparently was fascinated by the steam engine and learned to drive a steam tractor.  From there he got a job driving a steam engine on the railroads, another new presence in the early 1800s.     So we had a lot going on in northern England and it was a time for some people to take advantage of the new jobs, others lost their jobs doue to industrialization.  The Luddites burned a lot of frame-work knitting machines, even the ones run by hand or horsepower.  There was some social unrest because of ideas that had been around since the French and American Revolutions and the government was committed to the idea of "one man, one vote", which was new and dangerous in the eyes of some.  Civil Registration came along, an obvious plot by the government to many folk and a lot of parish boundaries were "adjusted" to include areas that were outside their boundaries.     The first steamship was built in 1837 (the SS Sirius), which began reliable service over the oceans.     They must have been heady times.  You could move somewhere else where pay was better.  You could take your trade somewhere where it was needed.  You could go to one of the new countreis were land was free (or at least cheap), and own your own farm.  Wow!  It's actually a wonder more of them didn't go.       Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Missing Lincs, Yes, this is my new e-mail address. It is, so far, DMARC-proof, so my LINCSGEN mail gets delivered to me here. I saw on another list that someone wondered why so many people moved about the country in the early 1800s. Well, they didn't have smart phones, apparently, so I guess they couldn't get all the answers by staying home! Sorry, those of us who have followed a smart-phone user in the grocery store know about the urge to smash a smart-phone between two cans of beans. :-) No, the early 1800s were an interesting time. Blockades were used to cut off supplies to Napoleon, and the blockades cut the supply of some markets to our ancestors in Lincolnshire, too. When they were lifted about 1815, suddenly we had an influx of cheap goods, and unemployed soldiers and sailors. The "Irish Potato Famine" in 1840, also affected potato growers in northern England and we had another influx of Irish labourers. The first steam engine for commercial use was developed by James WATT in 1781 and began to be widely used for farming, industry, draining the fens, etc. One of my ancestors apparently was fascinated by the steam engine and learned to drive a steam tractor. From there he got a job driving a steam engine on the railroads, another new presence in the early 1800s. So we had a lot going on in northern England and it was a time for some people to take advantage of the new jobs, others lost their jobs doue to industrialization. The Luddites burned a lot of frame-work knitting machines, even the ones run by hand or horsepower. There was some social unrest because of ideas that had been around since the French and American Revolutions and the government was committed to the idea of "one man, one vote", which was new and dangerous in the eyes of some. Civil Registration came along, an obvious plot by the government to many folk and a lot of parish boundaries were "adjusted" to include areas that were outside their boundaries. The first steamship was built in 1837 (the SS Sirius), which began reliable service over the oceans. They must have been heady times. You could move somewhere else where pay was better. You could take your trade somewhere where it was needed. You could go to one of the new countreis were land was free (or at least cheap), and own your own farm. Wow! It's actually a wonder more of them didn't go. Lou (list admin.)

This is a good reason to "Whitelist" your list addresses. Some people send us messages from their company e-mail accounts and spam filters love to treat that as "suspicious". Lou (list admin.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Paris" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:04:24 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] messages Regularly pick up my messages from my spam folder, from this site, also from thewhitbygroup and various others. Barbara.

Can anyone help me in a search that I have been doing for over 25 years now? I am trying to find the birth of a Samuel Parker who claimed to be born in Boston, Lincolnshire, in 1823. He married Maria Barton on 15th May 1849 at Spalding, Lincolnshire, stating that he was a Mariner, of full age, the son of Charles Parker, a labourer. Shortly after the marriage the couple move from Lincolnshire to Wakefield, West Yorkshire. On all the Census forms he is consistent with his date and place of birth. Samuel Parker died 27th April 1878 at Thornes, Wakefield. His age is given as 55 in the record and 56 on the headstone. Maria died 22nd March 1895 aged 69. I have even tried tracing Samuel through his sister Ann who married a John Parker on 19th May 1847 at New Seaford. Ann claimed that her father, Charles, was a shepherd. The census forms for Ann are disastrous. 1851 census for New Quarrington:    aged 38    place of birth "Not Known" 1861 census for Kirton Fen:        aged 49    born in Kent, Sussex 1871 census for Sutterton Fen:        aged 58    born in Sussex 1881 census for Amber Hill:        aged 68    place of birth missing Some of you may remember that I asked the same question a few years ago, and I apologise for being boring. Eric

Have you seen this one ?? Samuel Parker Head England and Wales Census, 1871 Bill Stratton Cole Harbour NS Canada birth: 1824 Boston, Lincolnshire residence: 1871 Thornes, Alverthorpe With Thornes, Yorkshire (West Riding), England spouse: Maria Parker children: Ana Parker, Thomas Parker, Sarah A Parker, Charles Parker, James Parker ----- Original Message ----- From: "ERIC JOHNSON" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:32 AM Subject: [LIN] Elusive quest Can anyone help me in a search that I have been doing for over 25 years now? I am trying to find the birth of a Samuel Parker who claimed to be born in Boston, Lincolnshire, in 1823. He married Maria Barton on 15th May 1849 at Spalding, Lincolnshire, stating that he was a Mariner, of full age, the son of Charles Parker, a labourer. Shortly after the marriage the couple move from Lincolnshire to Wakefield, West Yorkshire. On all the Census forms he is consistent with his date and place of birth. Samuel Parker died 27th April 1878 at Thornes, Wakefield. His age is given as 55 in the record and 56 on the headstone. Maria died 22nd March 1895 aged 69. I have even tried tracing Samuel through his sister Ann who married a John Parker on 19th May 1847 at New Seaford. Ann claimed that her father, Charles, was a shepherd. The census forms for Ann are disastrous. 1851 census for New Quarrington: aged 38 place of birth "Not Known" 1861 census for Kirton Fen: aged 49 born in Kent, Sussex 1871 census for Sutterton Fen: aged 58 born in Sussex 1881 census for Amber Hill: aged 68 place of birth missing Some of you may remember that I asked the same question a few years ago, and I apologise for being boring. Eric ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Transcribed from the Fleet parish register - 8 May 1834 William M Jonathan Ann HAYNES Fleet Father a Publican. regards. Mick Lincolnshire co-ordinator for FreeReg http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Hello: From the onset, I understand which list I am on. I do some side line searches for others. A recent one is for Alexander Markham who suddenly appears in Antrim Ireland, quite easy to identify there, a Quartermaster in the army, at a printer in Belfast, connects to [Randalstown], [Cushendall], [Roseville, Greenisland, Carrickfergus], a CORONER of some note and well mentioned for this all over, his primary occupation for most of his life there. He m:1836 Sophia Hulbert Falloon dg of [Marcus Smith Falloon, (Rector Layde Church)] + [Maria Jane Wolseley]. AM dies about 15-07-1876 aged 79/80 years old and probably residing at [Roseville, Greenisland, Ireland], Roseville is the name of the property in Greenisland. AM is then b:1796-1797 or so. The real problem here is that whilst a fair amount is known about him, there is a complete lack of any further on him for any brother/sister, or parents, place of birth, just a complete void. He does seem fairly well to do, many of the people he associates himself with have Scottish origins, he marries and lives amongst people in the realms of clergy, military, and upper class Irish/Scottish persons etc. His one son [Alexander Macaulay Markham, Esq. B.C.S.] m:1861 to [Christina MacLeod], her brother being: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McLeod_%28New_Brunswick_politician%29 Simply, all I am interested in at this point in time, is to know of any Alexander Markham b:1796-1797 in maybe Ireland, Scotland, or England, or elsewhere. I can’t find even one any where.... Any ideas ?. B.S. [!!!] ==============

Can't help you with your William, but I do have some families of that name from the Gedney/Long Sutton/Sutton St James area. If it helps any, the name HAINES can often be recorded as HAYNES, HANES, HEANES (as most of my family were), HAINS or HEANS. Sometimes they went by a different surname every decade at each census time! Perhaps the local accent could have thrown the enumerator. So it might be worthwhile extending your search a bit to explore these variations. Alan

Thank you Pamela for your input. I will have to send for the death certificates. Frances From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 12:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-LINCSGEN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 118 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Just looked again and see the GRO for the Laceby death is the previous quarter to the Willesden entry ________________________________ From: Fran Moore <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 26 May 2014, 19:37 Subject: [LIN] FW: William Haines b 1834, Fleet, Lincs Subject: William Haines, b. 1834 Fleet This is my first request in asking for help. Please advise me of any corrections I should do if I do it again. I am looking for the death date of William Haines, born 1834 in Fleet, married to Emma. He lived in Fleet and in Gedney during his lifetime. There is another William Haines in the area, born in Gedney and married to Elizabeth. I can find no deaths for the first William in the local area and suspect that he was living with one of his children when he died. His wife had predeceased him. From Ancestry I have two possibilities: 1)      William Haines died in 1916 in Stockton, Durham (Durham 10a 49), could have been his daughter’s home . 2)      William Haines died in 1923 in Willesden, Middlesex (Willesden 3a 244) at his son’s home. 3)      There is another one, somewhat dubious of a William dying in Louth, Lincolnshire (Louth 3b 264). How do I find what is the correct death date? I have found no answers using the Probate Records at Ancestry. Where do I go from here? Thank you for any assistance and/or advice. Frances From near Seattle, Washington USA --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the William Haines d 1923 Willesden can be ruled out as there is an entry on NPC for an administration . William Henry Haines of the PO Laceby,Lincolnshire. d 31st Aug 1923, granted London  to Georgina Maria Haines widow, Laceby cemetery http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=273942&scrwidth=1518 What year have you found for Louth? You could order the death certs, you have the references, and see who has registered the death, his occupation may be given which could help ________________________________ From: Fran Moore [email protected] com To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 26 May 2014, 19:37 Subject: [LIN] FW: William Haines b 1834, Fleet, Lincs Subject: William Haines, b. 1834 Fleet This is my first request in asking for help. Please advise me of any corrections I should do if I do it again. I am looking for the death date of William Haines, born 1834 in Fleet, married to Emma. He lived in Fleet and in Gedney during his lifetime. There is another William Haines in the area, born in Gedney and married to Elizabeth. I can find no deaths for the first William in the local area and suspect that he was living with one of his children when he died. His wife had predeceased him. From Ancestry I have two possibilities: 1)      William Haines died in 1916 in Stockton, Durham (Durham 10a 49), could have been his daughter’s home . 2)      William Haines died in 1923 in Willesden, Middlesex (Willesden 3a 244) at his son’s home. 3)      There is another one, somewhat dubious of a William dying in Louth, Lincolnshire (Louth 3b 264). How do I find what is the correct death date? I have found no answers using the Probate Records at Ancestry. Where do I go from here? Thank you for any assistance and/or advice. Frances From near Seattle, Washington USA --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Subject: William Haines, b. 1834 Fleet This is my first request in asking for help. Please advise me of any corrections I should do if I do it again. I am looking for the death date of William Haines, born 1834 in Fleet, married to Emma. He lived in Fleet and in Gedney during his lifetime. There is another William Haines in the area, born in Gedney and married to Elizabeth. I can find no deaths for the first William in the local area and suspect that he was living with one of his children when he died. His wife had predeceased him. >From Ancestry I have two possibilities: 1) William Haines died in 1916 in Stockton, Durham (Durham 10a 49), could have been his daughter’s home . 2) William Haines died in 1923 in Willesden, Middlesex (Willesden 3a 244) at his son’s home. 3) There is another one, somewhat dubious of a William dying in Louth, Lincolnshire (Louth 3b 264). How do I find what is the correct death date? I have found no answers using the Probate Records at Ancestry. Where do I go from here? Thank you for any assistance and/or advice. Frances >From near Seattle, Washington USA --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

G'day Listers We have a connection to Mark HATCLIFFE think it Horncastle and Grimsby or Cleethorpes Have more time tomorrow when and look at our info. Today I am preparing for tonights soccer meeting Oh we do have a WILKINSON family photo and on it is Mark HATCLIFFE taken in the fifties Bridget DRAPER/WILKINSON South Australia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~