Hi John It would appear that he was Joseph Arthur Frith born 1st of May 1892 the second son of John W and Annie Frith in Scunthorpe, by  1911 census he is living in Sutton Coldfield Warwickshire (now part of Birmingham) and is listed as an Assistant Hairdresser. His father's occupation was given as an ironworks labourer. hope this helps a bit regards Elaine Westaway On Saturday, 31 May 2014, 12:43, David Meanwell <[email protected]> wrote: Hi John, Taken from the ship's log: "4.15 pm Landed Funeral party for burial of late J.A.Frith , Officers Steward 2c (died 15 Oct 1916 from illness; buried Suda Bay War Cemetery)"  The image of the log page is at http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54781/ADM%2053-54781-010_1.jpg For more information on the vessel and its time in Crete see http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-WW1-05-HMS_Pelorus.htm Regards, David ** On 31/05/2014 12:12, John Bland wrote: > Hello Missing Lincs, > >  > > Whilst on holiday in Crete, I visited the Commonwealth War Grave Cemetery at > Suda Bay. There is one Lincolnshire serviceman buries there an Officer > Steward 2nd Class of the Royal Navy who served on HMS Pelorus and died on 15 > October 1916. According to the CWGC website he was the son of John Frith, 7 > Frodingham Pathway, Scunthorpe, Lincs. I have taken a photo of the grave > (along with all other WW1 servicemen buried there) and was wandering whether > there are any list members who can add to the scarce information that I > have. > >  > > John Bland > >  > > Email: [email protected] > > Twitter: @JohnRGBland <https://twitter.com/JohnRGBland> > >  > > Member of the > > Lincolnshire Family History Society <http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/> > >  > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, Pam, Nivard and Meg and all you fantastic Lincs. Listers, It always pays to go back and revisit brick walls and it's always good to listen to your brilliant suggestions even though you doubt what you're being told. I didn't think he would be as far away as Hull (and although I was doubting Pam) I took a thorough relook at the Free BMD John Newton Mar 1854 7a 235 Boston death. On examination of the indexed names included with John Newton registered against the Boston 7a 235 entry is an Isaac Newton. John had a younger brother named Isaac! I ordered the death certificate. I'll let you know what the certificate uncovers Thank you so much Linda B.C. Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Linda Sent: May-30-14 12:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] death certificate help please Hello Linda, If you click on the Page number (313) in FreeBMD it shows others who were listed on the same page - which in this instance is Hull. It is almost certain therefore that Hull is the registration district of the entry you are looking at. Having run a very quick search for John Newton given the timescales you have given I see John Thomas Newton's death in 1854 was registered in Boston RD in Q2 (Jun) 1854. There is an entry for John Newton in Boston RD in Q1 (March) of 1854 - assuming both deaths were registered in the same district perhaps that is his father. Regards, Linda -----Original Message----- From: Linda Sokalofsky Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 8:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] death certificate help please Hi folks Over the years I have wanted to learn John Newton's cause of death so would appreciate any help you could give to select the best choice of death certificate: According to John Thomas Newton's (Thomas' son who drowned in the lock) 1854 death certificate, his father was noted as John Newton, deceased. Eliza Plowright's 1st husband John Newton, I presume died/was killed between the taking of the 1851 census March 30, 1851 and his child's death March 29, 1854, and most probably before Eliza his wife became pregnant with her first child abt. Oct. 1852, with James Plowright....which is a fairly short window Apr. 1851 - Oct. 1852 Here is the family in 1951: Census was based on 30 March 1851 1851 Census Little Worth Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding John Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton I have found this entry. Is there any way to find the missing Registration District? Free BMD Deaths Jun 1851 Newton John * 22 313 I would appreciate any thoughts/ideas/advice on choosing the right entry if the above is not the best choice... Thanks so much Linda B.C. Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello the list. I am having great difficulty with an ancestor who was resident in ALFORD on the 1911 census entry for GEORGE BRUMBY and his wife MARY JANE. A certain ALBERT RICHARDSON He, ALBERT RICHARDSON, aged 7, is listed as 'nephew' on that census. He was the child of the sister of MARY JANE a certain EMILY ELEANOR RICHARDSON; wife of ALBERT RICHARDSON (Scots Guards 1892-1905); who it seems was at No1 Camp! ( Whatever that was) in ALFORD? At some stage around 1899 when they married in ALFORd church on January 16th 1899 under the supervision of A.G.K.SIMPSON, vicar. Shortly after this wedding, ALBERT senior went off to fight the BOERS in South Africa. He returned in 1902. ALBERT junior was born on 16th December 1903. Baptised on 28th December 1903 Both these events are recorded in the Army Register of Births and Deaths, which states the baptism took place in the Guards Chapel at Chelsea barracks I can find no trace of ALBERT after 1911. Indeed I can find no trace of his parents after his birth in 1903. Did ALBERT junior remain in ALFORD after 1911? Are any of his descendants living there now? I would be most grateful for any assistance John Richardson Eaton Socon Cambridgeshire

Hi John, Taken from the ship's log: "4.15 pm Landed Funeral party for burial of late J.A.Frith , Officers Steward 2c (died 15 Oct 1916 from illness; buried Suda Bay War Cemetery)" The image of the log page is at http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54781/ADM%2053-54781-010_1.jpg For more information on the vessel and its time in Crete see http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-WW1-05-HMS_Pelorus.htm Regards, David ** On 31/05/2014 12:12, John Bland wrote: > Hello Missing Lincs, > > > > Whilst on holiday in Crete, I visited the Commonwealth War Grave Cemetery at > Suda Bay. There is one Lincolnshire serviceman buries there an Officer > Steward 2nd Class of the Royal Navy who served on HMS Pelorus and died on 15 > October 1916. According to the CWGC website he was the son of John Frith, 7 > Frodingham Pathway, Scunthorpe, Lincs. I have taken a photo of the grave > (along with all other WW1 servicemen buried there) and was wandering whether > there are any list members who can add to the scarce information that I > have. > > > > John Bland > > > > Email: [email protected] > > Twitter: @JohnRGBland <https://twitter.com/JohnRGBland> > > > > Member of the > > Lincolnshire Family History Society <http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Missing Lincs, Whilst on holiday in Crete, I visited the Commonwealth War Grave Cemetery at Suda Bay. There is one Lincolnshire serviceman buries there an Officer Steward 2nd Class of the Royal Navy who served on HMS Pelorus and died on 15 October 1916. According to the CWGC website he was the son of John Frith, 7 Frodingham Pathway, Scunthorpe, Lincs. I have taken a photo of the grave (along with all other WW1 servicemen buried there) and was wandering whether there are any list members who can add to the scarce information that I have. John Bland Email: [email protected] Twitter: @JohnRGBland <https://twitter.com/JohnRGBland> Member of the Lincolnshire Family History Society <http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/>

Can't help with your AM because I can't access my data until I get a new genealogy program. Just commenting on a minor "across the pond" potential for misunderstandings. In the UK, the suffix Esq. is used to denote that the person is, quite simply, a gentleman. There was a time when it was used to denote a land-owner but more recently it has been used for all adults males as a courtesy. What may cause confusion is that in the US it denotes that one is a lawyer and has been accepted at the bar of one or more states. People from the US who are not aware of this difference may dismiss a possible connection because "he was not a lawyer so this can't be the right one" when it fact perhaps it is. Happy hunting! Diana Robinson (nee Gardner) Now in Rochester, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: Bart Simon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:59 PM To: RW LINCS GEN Subject: [LIN] Alexander Markham of Antrim [!!!] Hello: From the onset, I understand which list I am on. I do some side line searches for others. A recent one is for Alexander Markham who suddenly appears in Antrim Ireland, quite easy to identify there, a Quartermaster in the army, at a printer in Belfast, connects to [Randalstown], [Cushendall], [Roseville, Greenisland, Carrickfergus], a CORONER of some note and well mentioned for this all over, his primary occupation for most of his life there. He m:1836 Sophia Hulbert Falloon dg of [Marcus Smith Falloon, (Rector Layde Church)] + [Maria Jane Wolseley]. AM dies about 15-07-1876 aged 79/80 years old and probably residing at [Roseville, Greenisland, Ireland], Roseville is the name of the property in Greenisland. AM is then b:1796-1797 or so. The real problem here is that whilst a fair amount is known about him, there is a complete lack of any further on him for any brother/sister, or parents, place of birth, just a complete void. He does seem fairly well to do, many of the people he associates himself with have Scottish origins, he marries and lives amongst people in the realms of clergy, military, and upper class Irish/Scottish persons etc. His one son [Alexander Macaulay Markham, Esq. B.C.S.] m:1861 to [Christina MacLeod], her brother being: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McLeod_%28New_Brunswick_politician%29 Simply, all I am interested in at this point in time, is to know of any Alexander Markham b:1796-1797 in maybe Ireland, Scotland, or England, or elsewhere. I can’t find even one any where.... Any ideas ?. B.S. [!!!] ==============

I am not sure where this article mentions coal mining in Lincolnshire. Iron Ore quarrying in the Jurassic limestone yes, but that's a whole different industry to coal mining. Terry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30 May 2014 23:01 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LIN] Mining in Lincolnshire Oh, Aye, there was mining for coal in Lincolnshire. See: http://mininghistory.thehumanjourney.net/edu/EastMidlandsIntro.shtml Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill stratton" <[email protected]> To: "elaine westaway" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 6:49:33 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Mining in Lincolnshire There must of been Coal Mining somewhere in Lincolnshire' from the Grantham Cemetery Register SOAR Hannah Buried 27 Mar 1909 Age 18 Female Died New Somerby Father Occ. Coal Miner Burial Spot 13 II 20 Bill Stratton ----- Original Message ----- From: "elaine westaway" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Mining in Lincolnshire > Dear Kate > > Thank you for that info, but you are both right and wrong, there was a > mine shaft sunk at Woodhall as it then was in 1821 by John Parkinson in an > attempt to find coal as most of what was used in Lincolnshire came from > the Pennines at that time, but none was found, all that was found was a > conduit of salty water, following an accident during some work with > explosives in the mine and a resulting fatality the mine shaft was closed > and wooden planks laid over the top, but with a couple of years the mine > shaft was full of the salty water and it was bubbling up over the top, it > as then noticed that cattle who had drunk from the water where cured of > some ailments and when the local lord of the manor tried some and found it > help with his gout, he initially built a small bath house over the spring > and later turned it into a spa hence the former village of Woodhall became > the town of Woodhall spa. so the reason that the town has mine workings in > it's sign is that > without the ill-fated attempt at mining there would have been no spa town. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda Oddly it does not word the report as though the father was deceased Stamford Mercury April 07, 1854 Mr FRICKER held an inquest in Fishtoft Allotment, on Friday on teh body of John Thomas NEWTON, aged three years, son of a labourer residing by the side of Castle Dyke Drain, in which the child was accidentally drowned. A verdict was returned accordingly. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/05/2014 20:02, Linda Sokalofsky wrote: > > > Hi folks > Over the years I have wanted to learn John Newton's cause of death so would > appreciate any help you could give to select the best choice of death > certificate: > > According to John Thomas Newton's (Thomas' son who drowned in the lock) 1854 > death certificate, his father was noted as John Newton, deceased. > > Eliza Plowright's 1st husband John Newton, I presume died/was killed between > the taking of the 1851 census March 30, 1851 and his child's death March 29, > 1854, and most probably before Eliza his wife became pregnant with her first > child abt. Oct. 1852, with James Plowright....which is a fairly short > window Apr. 1851 - Oct. 1852

Hello Linda, If you click on the Page number (313) in FreeBMD it shows others who were listed on the same page - which in this instance is Hull. It is almost certain therefore that Hull is the registration district of the entry you are looking at. Having run a very quick search for John Newton given the timescales you have given I see John Thomas Newton's death in 1854 was registered in Boston RD in Q2 (Jun) 1854. There is an entry for John Newton in Boston RD in Q1 (March) of 1854 - assuming both deaths were registered in the same district perhaps that is his father. Regards, Linda -----Original Message----- From: Linda Sokalofsky Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 8:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LIN] death certificate help please Hi folks Over the years I have wanted to learn John Newton's cause of death so would appreciate any help you could give to select the best choice of death certificate: According to John Thomas Newton's (Thomas' son who drowned in the lock) 1854 death certificate, his father was noted as John Newton, deceased. Eliza Plowright's 1st husband John Newton, I presume died/was killed between the taking of the 1851 census March 30, 1851 and his child's death March 29, 1854, and most probably before Eliza his wife became pregnant with her first child abt. Oct. 1852, with James Plowright....which is a fairly short window Apr. 1851 - Oct. 1852 Here is the family in 1951: Census was based on 30 March 1851 1851 Census Little Worth Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding John Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton I have found this entry. Is there any way to find the missing Registration District? Free BMD Deaths Jun 1851 Newton John * 22 313 I would appreciate any thoughts/ideas/advice on choosing the right entry if the above is not the best choice... Thanks so much Linda B.C. Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, The missing registration district is Hull (Yorkshire). If you enter the volume number (22) and the page number (313) along with the quarter and year on FreeBMD, then you get a list of all the people on the same page - and the registration district. John might still actually have been alive when John Thomas died. Did Eliza register her son's death and tell a little porkie? Alternatively he could have died any time between the census and his son's death, though if so he doesn't seem to have been buried in Lincolnshire. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.co.uk/ On 30/05/2014 20:02, Linda Sokalofsky wrote: > > Hi folks > Over the years I have wanted to learn John Newton's cause of death so would > appreciate any help you could give to select the best choice of death > certificate: > > According to John Thomas Newton's (Thomas' son who drowned in the lock) 1854 > death certificate, his father was noted as John Newton, deceased. > > Eliza Plowright's 1st husband John Newton, I presume died/was killed between > the taking of the 1851 census March 30, 1851 and his child's death March 29, > 1854, and most probably before Eliza his wife became pregnant with her first > child abt. Oct. 1852, with James Plowright....which is a fairly short > window Apr. 1851 - Oct. 1852 > > Here is the family in 1951: > > Census was based on 30 March 1851 > 1851 Census > Little Worth > Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas > John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. > Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding > John Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton > > I have found this entry. Is there any way to find the missing Registration > District? > > Free BMD > Deaths Jun 1851 > Newton John * 22 313 > > I would appreciate any thoughts/ideas/advice on choosing the right entry if > the above is not the best choice... > Thanks so much > Linda > B.C. > Canada > > > > ------------------------------- > >

Linda, Could it be Hull? Lots of other entries with the vol 22 page 313 reference are deaths in Hull. Meg Sent from my iPad > On 30 May 2014, at 20:02, Linda Sokalofsky <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi folks > Over the years I have wanted to learn John Newton's cause of death so would > appreciate any help you could give to select the best choice of death > certificate: > > According to John Thomas Newton's (Thomas' son who drowned in the lock) 1854 > death certificate, his father was noted as John Newton, deceased. > > Eliza Plowright's 1st husband John Newton, I presume died/was killed between > the taking of the 1851 census March 30, 1851 and his child's death March 29, > 1854, and most probably before Eliza his wife became pregnant with her first > child abt. Oct. 1852, with James Plowright....which is a fairly short > window Apr. 1851 - Oct. 1852 > > Here is the family in 1951: > > Census was based on 30 March 1851 > 1851 Census > Little Worth > Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas > John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. > Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding > John Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton > > I have found this entry. Is there any way to find the missing Registration > District? > > Free BMD > Deaths Jun 1851 > Newton John * 22 313 > > I would appreciate any thoughts/ideas/advice on choosing the right entry if > the above is not the best choice... > Thanks so much > Linda > B.C. > Canada > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nivard Birth Certificate for little John Thomas Abraham their son: 21 April 1850, Elton, John Thomas, Abraham , Boy, Father, John Newton, Mother, Eliza Newton, formerly Hooton, Labourer, x The mark of Eliza Newton, mother, Elton, Twenty first May 1850, Registrar. ...and his Death Certificate: 29th March 1854, Langriville, John Thomas Newton, Male, 3 years, son of John Newton, Husbandman (Deseased), Accidently drowned in Castle Dike Drain, Coroner, Boston, 28 April 1854, Registrar. I had asked for a search through newspapers at Boston Library several years ago but at the time they could not find the inquest report. Thank you. Was that the whole report? L Hi Linda Oddly it does not word the report as though the father was deceased Stamford Mercury April 07, 1854 Mr FRICKER held an inquest in Fishtoft Allotment, on Friday on teh body of John Thomas NEWTON, aged three years, son of a labourer residing by the side of Castle Dyke Drain, in which the child was accidentally drowned. A verdict was returned accordingly. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/05/2014 20:02, Linda Sokalofsky wrote: > > > Hi folks > Over the years I have wanted to learn John Newton's cause of death so would > appreciate any help you could give to select the best choice of death > certificate: > > According to John Thomas Newton's (Thomas' son who drowned in the lock) 1854 > death certificate, his father was noted as John Newton, deceased. > > Eliza Plowright's 1st husband John Newton, I presume died/was killed between > the taking of the 1851 census March 30, 1851 and his child's death March 29, > 1854, and most probably before Eliza his wife became pregnant with her first > child abt. Oct. 1852, with James Plowright....which is a fairly short > window Apr. 1851 - Oct. 1852 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's always a tough one. Others have already commented. I know that Cholera and Typhoid Fever could knock down a whole parish in those days. But I'm just guessing. Unfortunately, a lot of the "informants" on death certificates also guess at the cause of death. If you want certainty, you'd have to have a forensic exam of the body. My wife used to work for a pathologist who had been a medical examiner for 20-odd years, and this doctor told me once "Never believe what people tell you is the cause of death. You have to examine them." Wikipedia tells me that 3 to 5 million people a year are infected by Cholera even these days. Sorry I couldn't quote a source for you. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Wilson" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:47:22 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. Note: Early 1800s Hi Lou, your exclamations of the situation in Northern England and Lincolnshire in particular are quite something, but I cannot even find out what inflection attacked Langtoft, to cause the death of 4 of my relatives who were born there in the year 1852, from February to November. Bazza On 28 May 2014 22:39, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Missing Lincs, > > Yes, this is my new e-mail address. It is, so far, DMARC-proof, so my > LINCSGEN mail gets delivered to me here. > > I saw on another list that someone wondered why so many people moved > about the country in the early 1800s. Well, they didn't have smart phones, > apparently, so I guess they couldn't get all the answers by staying home! > Sorry, those of us who have followed a smart-phone user in the grocery > store know about the urge to smash a smart-phone between two cans of beans. > :-) > > No, the early 1800s were an interesting time. Blockades were used to > cut off supplies to Napoleon, and the blockades cut the supply of some > markets to our ancestors in Lincolnshire, too. When they were lifted about > 1815, suddenly we had an influx of cheap goods, and unemployed soldiers and > sailors. The "Irish Potato Famine" in 1840, also affected potato growers > in northern England and we had another influx of Irish labourers. The > first steam engine for commercial use was developed by James WATT in 1781 > and began to be widely used for farming, industry, draining the fens, etc. > One of my ancestors apparently was fascinated by the steam engine and > learned to drive a steam tractor. From there he got a job driving a steam > engine on the railroads, another new presence in the early 1800s. > > So we had a lot going on in northern England and it was a time for > some people to take advantage of the new jobs, others lost their jobs doue > to industrialization. The Luddites burned a lot of frame-work knitting > machines, even the ones run by hand or horsepower. There was some social > unrest because of ideas that had been around since the French and American > Revolutions and the government was committed to the idea of "one man, one > vote", which was new and dangerous in the eyes of some. Civil Registration > came along, an obvious plot by the government to many folk and a lot of > parish boundaries were "adjusted" to include areas that were outside their > boundaries. > > The first steamship was built in 1837 (the SS Sirius), which began > reliable service over the oceans. > > They must have been heady times. You could move somewhere else where > pay was better. You could take your trade somewhere where it was needed. > You could go to one of the new countreis were land was free (or at least > cheap), and own your own farm. Wow! It's actually a wonder more of them > didn't go. > > Lou (list admin.) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, Aye, there was mining for coal in Lincolnshire. See: http://mininghistory.thehumanjourney.net/edu/EastMidlandsIntro.shtml Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill stratton" <[email protected]> To: "elaine westaway" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 6:49:33 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Mining in Lincolnshire There must of been Coal Mining somewhere in Lincolnshire' from the Grantham Cemetery Register SOAR Hannah Buried 27 Mar 1909 Age 18 Female Died New Somerby Father Occ. Coal Miner Burial Spot 13 II 20 Bill Stratton ----- Original Message ----- From: "elaine westaway" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Mining in Lincolnshire > Dear Kate > > Thank you for that info, but you are both right and wrong, there was a > mine shaft sunk at Woodhall as it then was in 1821 by John Parkinson in an > attempt to find coal as most of what was used in Lincolnshire came from > the Pennines at that time, but none was found, all that was found was a > conduit of salty water, following an accident during some work with > explosives in the mine and a resulting fatality the mine shaft was closed > and wooden planks laid over the top, but with a couple of years the mine > shaft was full of the salty water and it was bubbling up over the top, it > as then noticed that cattle who had drunk from the water where cured of > some ailments and when the local lord of the manor tried some and found it > help with his gout, he initially built a small bath house over the spring > and later turned it into a spa hence the former village of Woodhall became > the town of Woodhall spa. so the reason that the town has mine workings in > it's sign is that > without the ill-fated attempt at mining there would have been no spa town. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks Over the years I have wanted to learn John Newton's cause of death so would appreciate any help you could give to select the best choice of death certificate: According to John Thomas Newton's (Thomas' son who drowned in the lock) 1854 death certificate, his father was noted as John Newton, deceased. Eliza Plowright's 1st husband John Newton, I presume died/was killed between the taking of the 1851 census March 30, 1851 and his child's death March 29, 1854, and most probably before Eliza his wife became pregnant with her first child abt. Oct. 1852, with James Plowright....which is a fairly short window Apr. 1851 - Oct. 1852 Here is the family in 1951: Census was based on 30 March 1851 1851 Census Little Worth Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding John Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton I have found this entry. Is there any way to find the missing Registration District? Free BMD Deaths Jun 1851 Newton John * 22 313 I would appreciate any thoughts/ideas/advice on choosing the right entry if the above is not the best choice... Thanks so much Linda B.C. Canada

There must of been Coal Mining somewhere in Lincolnshire' from the Grantham Cemetery Register SOAR Hannah Buried 27 Mar 1909 Age 18 Female Died New Somerby Father Occ. Coal Miner Burial Spot 13 II 20 Bill Stratton ----- Original Message ----- From: "elaine westaway" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Mining in Lincolnshire > Dear Kate > > Thank you for that info, but you are both right and wrong, there was a > mine shaft sunk at Woodhall as it then was in 1821 by John Parkinson in an > attempt to find coal as most of what was used in Lincolnshire came from > the Pennines at that time, but none was found, all that was found was a > conduit of salty water, following an accident during some work with > explosives in the mine and a resulting fatality the mine shaft was closed > and wooden planks laid over the top, but with a couple of years the mine > shaft was full of the salty water and it was bubbling up over the top, it > as then noticed that cattle who had drunk from the water where cured of > some ailments and when the local lord of the manor tried some and found it > help with his gout, he initially built a small bath house over the spring > and later turned it into a spa hence the former village of Woodhall became > the town of Woodhall spa. so the reason that the town has mine workings in > it's sign is that > without the ill-fated attempt at mining there would have been no spa town.

Thanks to you all, your interest is gratefully received and it was just a query because 4 children secomed to what ever it was in the one year. I am aware of the different plagues around at that time, also sometimes it is down to plain lack of finance to buy all of these Certs. Many thanks for you reply's. Bazza On 29 May 2014 15:58, Hank & Joan Van Daalen <[email protected]> wrote: > What does it say on their death certificates? > > Another good reason to send for one. > > Joan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barry Wilson > Sent: May 29, 2014 9:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. Note: Early 1800s > > Hi Lou, your exclamations of the situation in Northern England and > Lincolnshire in particular are quite something, but I cannot even find out > what inflection attacked Langtoft, to cause the death of 4 of my relatives > who were born there in the year 1852, from February to November. Bazza > > > On 28 May 2014 22:39, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, Missing Lincs, > > > > Yes, this is my new e-mail address. It is, so far, DMARC-proof, > > so my LINCSGEN mail gets delivered to me here. > > > > I saw on another list that someone wondered why so many people > > moved about the country in the early 1800s. Well, they didn't have > > smart phones, apparently, so I guess they couldn't get all the answers by > staying home! > > Sorry, those of us who have followed a smart-phone user in the > > grocery store know about the urge to smash a smart-phone between two cans > of beans. > > :-) > > > > No, the early 1800s were an interesting time. Blockades were used > > to cut off supplies to Napoleon, and the blockades cut the supply of > > some markets to our ancestors in Lincolnshire, too. When they were > > lifted about 1815, suddenly we had an influx of cheap goods, and > > unemployed soldiers and sailors. The "Irish Potato Famine" in 1840, > > also affected potato growers in northern England and we had another > > influx of Irish labourers. The first steam engine for commercial use > > was developed by James WATT in 1781 and began to be widely used for > farming, industry, draining the fens, etc. > > One of my ancestors apparently was fascinated by the steam engine and > > learned to drive a steam tractor. From there he got a job driving a > > steam engine on the railroads, another new presence in the early 1800s. > > > > So we had a lot going on in northern England and it was a time for > > some people to take advantage of the new jobs, others lost their jobs > > doue to industrialization. The Luddites burned a lot of frame-work > > knitting machines, even the ones run by hand or horsepower. There was > > some social unrest because of ideas that had been around since the > > French and American Revolutions and the government was committed to > > the idea of "one man, one vote", which was new and dangerous in the > > eyes of some. Civil Registration came along, an obvious plot by the > > government to many folk and a lot of parish boundaries were "adjusted" > > to include areas that were outside their boundaries. > > > > The first steamship was built in 1837 (the SS Sirius), which began > > reliable service over the oceans. > > > > They must have been heady times. You could move somewhere else > > where pay was better. You could take your trade somewhere where it was > needed. > > You could go to one of the new countreis were land was free (or at > > least cheap), and own your own farm. Wow! It's actually a wonder > > more of them didn't go. > > > > Lou (list admin.) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Coming in partway through this discussion I might be completely on the wrong track - however there were a number of ironstone mines in north Lincolnshire around the Scunthorpe area - and at Nettleton near Caistor hence the rise of the iron and steel industry. Pat Hibaldstow North Lincolnshire ________________________________ From: elaine westaway <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2014, 11:00 Subject: Re: [LIN] Mining in Lincolnshire Dear Kate Thank you for that info, but you are both right and wrong, there was a mine shaft sunk at Woodhall as it then was in 1821 by John Parkinson in an attempt to find coal as most of what was used in Lincolnshire came from the Pennines at that time, but none was found, all that was found was a conduit of salty water, following an accident during some work with explosives in the mine and a resulting fatality the mine shaft was closed and wooden planks laid over the top, but with a couple of years the mine shaft was full of the salty water and it was bubbling up over the top, it as then noticed that cattle who had drunk from the water where cured of some ailments and when the local lord of the manor tried some and found it help with his gout, he initially built a small bath house over the spring and later turned it into a spa hence the former village of Woodhall became the town of Woodhall spa. so the reason that the town has mine workings in it's sign is that without the ill-fated attempt at mining there would have been no spa town. Kind regards Elaine  On Thursday, 29 May 2014, 9:21, kate b <[email protected]> wrote:   There was indeed mining in Lincolnshire - Woodhall Spa has its town symbol Mining equipment the tower, etc often seen in the NE (Durham). How long ago I am not sure. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barry There may have been an epidemic of some sort but that does not mean your four all died from it or even from the same cause Even in times of plague, people died from other causes Without obtaining the death certificates (unless you are lucky and find mention in the newspapers) you are not going to know the actual cause, anything else is guesswork One thing worth checking is the burials as on occasion there might be a mention in the margin where a lot of people died of the same thing Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/05/2014 14:47, Barry Wilson wrote: > Hi Lou, your exclamations of the situation in Northern England and > Lincolnshire in particular are quite something, but I cannot even find out > what inflection attacked Langtoft, to cause the death of 4 of my relatives > who were born there in the year 1852, from February to November. Bazza

Hi Lou, your exclamations of the situation in Northern England and Lincolnshire in particular are quite something, but I cannot even find out what inflection attacked Langtoft, to cause the death of 4 of my relatives who were born there in the year 1852, from February to November. Bazza On 28 May 2014 22:39, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Missing Lincs, > > Yes, this is my new e-mail address. It is, so far, DMARC-proof, so my > LINCSGEN mail gets delivered to me here. > > I saw on another list that someone wondered why so many people moved > about the country in the early 1800s. Well, they didn't have smart phones, > apparently, so I guess they couldn't get all the answers by staying home! > Sorry, those of us who have followed a smart-phone user in the grocery > store know about the urge to smash a smart-phone between two cans of beans. > :-) > > No, the early 1800s were an interesting time. Blockades were used to > cut off supplies to Napoleon, and the blockades cut the supply of some > markets to our ancestors in Lincolnshire, too. When they were lifted about > 1815, suddenly we had an influx of cheap goods, and unemployed soldiers and > sailors. The "Irish Potato Famine" in 1840, also affected potato growers > in northern England and we had another influx of Irish labourers. The > first steam engine for commercial use was developed by James WATT in 1781 > and began to be widely used for farming, industry, draining the fens, etc. > One of my ancestors apparently was fascinated by the steam engine and > learned to drive a steam tractor. From there he got a job driving a steam > engine on the railroads, another new presence in the early 1800s. > > So we had a lot going on in northern England and it was a time for > some people to take advantage of the new jobs, others lost their jobs doue > to industrialization. The Luddites burned a lot of frame-work knitting > machines, even the ones run by hand or horsepower. There was some social > unrest because of ideas that had been around since the French and American > Revolutions and the government was committed to the idea of "one man, one > vote", which was new and dangerous in the eyes of some. Civil Registration > came along, an obvious plot by the government to many folk and a lot of > parish boundaries were "adjusted" to include areas that were outside their > boundaries. > > The first steamship was built in 1837 (the SS Sirius), which began > reliable service over the oceans. > > They must have been heady times. You could move somewhere else where > pay was better. You could take your trade somewhere where it was needed. > You could go to one of the new countreis were land was free (or at least > cheap), and own your own farm. Wow! It's actually a wonder more of them > didn't go. > > Lou (list admin.) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >