>Hi, Lynn, > >Possibly another door to knock on for Bartholomew BRETHERTON. From what you have told >me it looks quite possible that he was born in the Stonyhurst area but you have not >found any contemporary records. Have you checked the Mitton Parish Registers? It is >possible that the family used baptism there to record the birth of the children in a >legal sense. The Jesuits were fairly strong in this general area, so I have had a >look at Jesuits who were missioners in the Stonyhurst area. The following are >recorded as serving Stonyhurst during the time span of interest in "The English >Jesuits 1650 1829, a biographical dictionary" by G. Holt S.J., Catholic Record >Society 1984 > >Joseph DOYNE from 1767 to 1769 (Holt, 82) > >William NEALE in 1773 (Holt, 176) > >William MOLYNEUX from 1774 to 1783 (Holt, 168) > >It may be worth writing to the Archivist at Stonyhurst to see if there are any >notebooks or other records of the pastoral work of these priests. The answer may well >be that there is nothing, but if you do not ask... > >Hope this helps >> >> >Hi, Lynn, >> > >> >Thanks for the note. You quote Audrey as >> > >> >>On the 1851 census, Bartholomew and also his cook, gave their place of >> birth as >> >Stonyhurst, as if it was a place name. >> > >> >By 1851, the Jesuit college at Stonyhurst would have been well established >> and >> >probably better known that the village of Hurst Green. Bartholomew probably >> gave it >> >as his birth place because he thought the enumerator may say "Where?" if >> told Hurst >> >Green. As he was born in the Hurst Green area, it is likely that he >> attended the >> >Charity School in Hurst Green and I have attached the opening notes from a >> booklet >> >about St. Joseph's School, Hurst Green, that may be of interest. >> > >> >I had a look at the book "Returns of Papists, 1767, Diocese of Chester" >> transcribed >> >by E.S. Worral, pub. by Catholic Record Society (1980) (Occasional >> Publication No. >> >1), forgetting that Stonyhurst was in the township of Aighton, Bailey and >> Chaigley, >> >and this was a township in the Parish of Mitton, Yorkshire. I then checked >> "Returns >> >of Papists, 1767, other then Diocese of Chester" transcribed by E.S. >> Worral, pub. by >> >Catholic Record Society (1989) (Occasional Publication No. 2). This had a >> list for >> >Mitton Parish, but only initials are given and often only for the Head of >> the >> >household, so it was of no help. >> > >> >>Someone once suggested to me that we get someone to read the Bretherton >> wills at the >> >record office and see if we can find the father of the coach proprietors. >> > >> >In the back of the latest issue of "Catholic Ancestor" the journal of the >> Catholic >> >FHS, under 'Services for Members', there is a note "Lancashire Catholic >> Beneficiaries >> >Index - This is being compiled ... and so far contains the names of about >> 23,000 >> >people mentioned in about 1,800 wills of Lancashire Catholics. For an >> extract of any >> >surname from the most recent printout write to >> >Mr&Mrs T. Butler, 6 Wyndcroft close, Enfield, Middx EN2 7BJ >> >... there is no charge for this" >> > >> >This would appear to be for Members, so if you are not a members it may be >> diplomatic >> >to offer a donation. >> > >> >I can't think of anything else that may help at the moment. If you think I >> can help >> >further, please send me a note. >> > >> >Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs)