>Hi, Lynn, > >Possibly another door to knock on for Bartholomew BRETHERTON. From what you have told >me it looks quite possible that he was born in the Stonyhurst area but you have not >found any contemporary records. Have you checked the Mitton Parish Registers? It is >possible that the family used baptism there to record the birth of the children in a >legal sense. The Jesuits were fairly strong in this general area, so I have had a >look at Jesuits who were missioners in the Stonyhurst area. The following are >recorded as serving Stonyhurst during the time span of interest in "The English >Jesuits 1650 1829, a biographical dictionary" by G. Holt S.J., Catholic Record >Society 1984 > >Joseph DOYNE from 1767 to 1769 (Holt, 82) > >William NEALE in 1773 (Holt, 176) > >William MOLYNEUX from 1774 to 1783 (Holt, 168) > >It may be worth writing to the Archivist at Stonyhurst to see if there are any >notebooks or other records of the pastoral work of these priests. The answer may well >be that there is nothing, but if you do not ask... > >Hope this helps >> >> >Hi, Lynn, >> > >> >Thanks for the note. You quote Audrey as >> > >> >>On the 1851 census, Bartholomew and also his cook, gave their place of >> birth as >> >Stonyhurst, as if it was a place name. >> > >> >By 1851, the Jesuit college at Stonyhurst would have been well established >> and >> >probably better known that the village of Hurst Green. Bartholomew probably >> gave it >> >as his birth place because he thought the enumerator may say "Where?" if >> told Hurst >> >Green. As he was born in the Hurst Green area, it is likely that he >> attended the >> >Charity School in Hurst Green and I have attached the opening notes from a >> booklet >> >about St. Joseph's School, Hurst Green, that may be of interest. >> > >> >I had a look at the book "Returns of Papists, 1767, Diocese of Chester" >> transcribed >> >by E.S. Worral, pub. by Catholic Record Society (1980) (Occasional >> Publication No. >> >1), forgetting that Stonyhurst was in the township of Aighton, Bailey and >> Chaigley, >> >and this was a township in the Parish of Mitton, Yorkshire. I then checked >> "Returns >> >of Papists, 1767, other then Diocese of Chester" transcribed by E.S. >> Worral, pub. by >> >Catholic Record Society (1989) (Occasional Publication No. 2). This had a >> list for >> >Mitton Parish, but only initials are given and often only for the Head of >> the >> >household, so it was of no help. >> > >> >>Someone once suggested to me that we get someone to read the Bretherton >> wills at the >> >record office and see if we can find the father of the coach proprietors. >> > >> >In the back of the latest issue of "Catholic Ancestor" the journal of the >> Catholic >> >FHS, under 'Services for Members', there is a note "Lancashire Catholic >> Beneficiaries >> >Index - This is being compiled ... and so far contains the names of about >> 23,000 >> >people mentioned in about 1,800 wills of Lancashire Catholics. For an >> extract of any >> >surname from the most recent printout write to >> >Mr&Mrs T. Butler, 6 Wyndcroft close, Enfield, Middx EN2 7BJ >> >... there is no charge for this" >> > >> >This would appear to be for Members, so if you are not a members it may be >> diplomatic >> >to offer a donation. >> > >> >I can't think of anything else that may help at the moment. If you think I >> can help >> >further, please send me a note. >> > >> >Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs)

Does anyone have the Bretherton family in the townships or hamlets of , Aighton, Chaigley, Bailey, or Hurst Green, ? Lynn Humphreys

Is anyone doing the Bretherton family of Hurst Green & Mitton C 1770 - 1800 ? Lynn Humphreys

Good morning all, I am new to this list, having just discovered an ancestor who says she was born in Pendleton. Her name was Mary WILKINSON, and she is on the 1881 census in Cardiff as Mary Nicholson, age given as 48,, born Pendleton. She would hve been born around 1833, so is there anyone with access to the parish records for Pendleton or the 1841 census ,who could see if she is there anywhere? I have her son's birth certificate, a John Henry Brown, born in Cardiff in 1862. Mary is on his birth certificate as Mary Brown, late Tomlinson, formerly Wilkinson, so I guess she married a Tomlinson, was widowed, married a Brown, was widowed again and married a Nicholson. I have further information on John H.Brown (jnr) if anyone needs it. I would like to find out if she had other children with her first husband, ??? Tomlinson, who I am guessing she might have married in Lancashire somewhere. By the time John Brown married in 1882, his father, also John Brown was deceased. Any information you can give me on Mary WILKINSON will be much appreciated Thank you Ann (Bristol UK)

Hi everyone, Attached is the list of 118 surnames that were submitted during the past week, a total of 118. 8 names were summarily deleted because of repeated bouncing emails. This week I have had to send several replies to submitters who had either not read or not completely read the instructions for submitting surnames. I am always happy to add surnames but I find it most aggravating to have to return requests for resubmission. Please remember that this is a totally voluntary list that is free of charge. The only costs involved are my time and I would ask everyone to respect that. Happy hunting everyone, Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens YKS Surnames List Administrator http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ YKSsurnames@yahoo.com With thanks to the other List Administrators who kindly post this. ...... LIST OF NEW SUBMISSIONS THIS WEEK: APPLEYARD, AUTY BAILEY(2), BANN, BEEVERS, BELL, BIRKENSHAW BLAGDEN, BLAYDES, BLEASBY, BOYNE, BRADLEY BRADSHAW, BRANNAN/BRANNEN, BROCKLEHURST, BROOK(E), BROWN(E), BUCKLEY, BULCOCK, BURKE, BUTTERFIELD CHAMPLEY, CHILDERS, CONROY, COOPER, COXON CURDDY DALKIN, DAWSON, DENHAM, DICKINSON(2), DUCKWORTH DUNN EARNSHAW, ELLIS, ELLOTT FERGUSON, FISHER, FREEBURY GAMBLE, GODFREY, GRACE, GREENWOOD, GUDGEON HARRISON, HATTON, HEAP, HEMINGBROUGH, HILL HOLDEN(2), HORSFALL, HUDDLESTON(E), HULLEY ILLINGWORTH, INN(E)S, ISAAC JACKSON, JACSON, JESSOP, JUBB KERRY, KERSHAW LAC(E)Y, LEDGER, LEEMING, LOVATT, LUCKMAN LUPTON MALTON/MOLTON, MARSHALL, MARVELL, MAUNSELL, MCCLATCHEY MCMILLAN, MICHIE, MILLIS, MOULD NEWSOME OBRIEN PARKER, PARKIN, PAWSON, PINDER(2), PLUMSTEAD POPPLEWELL, PRIESTLEY, PROCTOR RATCLIFFE, REED, RIPLEY, ROBSHAW, ROGERS SHRIGLEY, SIMPSON, SMITH, STEPHENSON, SURGUY TATTERSALL, TEAL(E), THOMPSON(2), TURNBULL VARY WADDINGTON, WALKER, WEBSTER, WILDRE(I)DGE, WILKINSON WOOD(2), WORTHINGTON, WREST YATES, YOUNG

Can anyone give me a searchable Batch Number for Holme in Cliviger. Or is it, as I suspect, part of the district of Church (P012162)? TIA Jan

Hi List, Just joined this list having recently discovered my connections with Yorkshire. Does anybody recognise this family below ? Regards Tina Sinclair Altrincham Cheshire Descendants of Peter Trainer 1 Peter Trainer b: Abt. 1819 in Barnsley Yorkshire England d: Bef. 1873 .. +Eliza Bell b: Abt. 1821 in Dewsbury Yorkshire England ......... 2 Robert Trainer b: Abt. 1840 in Manchester Lancashire England d: Bef. 1893 ............. +Sarah Mary Riley b: Abt. 1846 in ? Lancashire England d: 12 April 1879 in 76 Derwent Street Salford England ......... 2 Charles Trainer b: Abt. 1842 in Manchester Lancashire England ............. +Elizabeth Fox m: 1865 in St Simon Parish Church Salford England ......... 2 Margaret Trainer b: Abt. 1845 in Sheffield Yorkshire England ......... 2 John Trainer b: Abt. 1847 in Manchester Lancashire England ......... 2 William Trainer b: Abt. 1849 in Liverpool Lancashire England ......... 2 Peter Trainer b: Abt. 1852 in Salford Lancashire England ............. +Mary A Richardson b: Abt. 1853 m: Abt. 1874 in St Simon Parish Church Salford England ......... 2 Rick Trainer b: Abt. 1855 in Salford Lancashire England ......... 2 James Trainer b: Abt. 1858 in Salford Lancashire England

Can anyone on the list please tell me if indexes are available of Wills held at the Borthwick Institute or elswhere (or wherever), for Wills referred "up the line" because property was held in more than one area. I am trying to find a WIll for John Watson of Preston whom I believe died in the period 1802 -8. His father's Will was probated at Richmond, his brother's at Chester, but I think John's property holdings may have been a bit more complex. Any assistance or advice would be appreciated. Don Watson Toowoomba Australia.

Hello everyone, I'm new to this list but have been researching in the ERY area: Hull and Beverley. This request is really a shot in the dark. The only info I have is:- My grgrandmother Mary MCLOUGHLIN aged 23, a cotton spinner, married on 29/11/1852 to Alfred HAIR aged 22,a cabinet maker, at Sculcoates Register Office, Kingston upon Hull. Her father is shown as Hugh MCLOUGHLIN - labourer. Later census show that Mary was born in Ireland. The family story is the family came to Lancs from Ireland and that there were 2 older brothers. She is not listed on any of the Hull 1851 census indexes. If anyone has access to any Lancs 1851 census index could you do a lookup please. Best wishes Peter

Hello listers, I am afraid that I sometimes forget the many new subscribers who regularly joint our respective lists and who haven't got a clue as to what the Yorkshire Surnames List is and how it can help with your research in Yorkshire. The Yorkshire (YKS) Surnames List is a service that offers researchers a chance to post the surnames, and surnames only, they are looking into and others the chance to contact them directly for information. I do not do any kind of lookups myself nor do I post any messages. Go to: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ and you will get to the YORKSHIRE Surnames Home Page. There is an alphabetical listing there and all you have to do is go to the group of letters that corresponds to the name, or names, you are interested in. You will find a list of other researchers. Click on the email address that is given and you will get a pop-up that will enable you to contact that researcher directly. It is up to each and every submitter to keep me informed of any change to his or her email addresses. Sadly, not everyone does and emails occasionally bounce. When this occurs, I double-check the situation and if there is no change, summarily delete all and any entries with the faulty email address. If you wish to post one or more surnames, please use the form that is indicated on the home page. If for some reason your server or browser does not forward the form, please follow the instructions for aol.com users - do read them carefully! You can amend, alter or delete your submissions at all times. There is no form for this. You have to contact me directly. Please remember to give me the OLD information together with the NEW as otherwise I might not be able to identify your entry. You may also wish to post your query(ies) on a genealogy list. Go to the Genuki pages to find the names of the several genealogy lists for Yorkshire. http://www.genuki.org.uk Happy hunting, Magdalena Contact email for the YKS list: YKSsurnames@yahoo.com

Hello listers, Thanks to everyone who paid attention to my words last week. I didn't have a single duplication with the 96 new surnames submitted! Some listers, in their enthusiasm obviously, do not read the instructions for submitting names to the very end. Although the great majority of ISP's will forward the form we give you, some never do, such as aol.com, and some occasionally don't. If for some reason you are having difficulties in sending the form, either because of your browser or ISP, please follow the instructions for aol.com users. I really would appreciate it. Below, the list of 96 surnames submitted this week. Happy hunting everyone! Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens YKS Surnames List Administrator http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ With thanks to the other List Administrators who kindly post this ....... NEW SURNAMES SUBMITTED THIS WEEK: ADAMS, AIREY, ALDERSON, ALLEN, ANDERSON ANTCLIFFE, ATKINSON, ATTWOOD, AUDAS BANCROFT, BARNETT, BARTLE, BATCHELOR, BAYNES BELL, BENNETT, BENSON, BRION, BRUTON BURROWS, BURTON(2), BUSSEY CARLILL, CARR, CARTER, CASSIDY, CHARLTON COCHRANE, COLE, COOPER, CROSS, CROSSLAND CROWTHER DARVILL ESKRITT FOSTER GABRIEL, GARNETTS, GEE, GELDERD HALL, HEAPS, HODGSON, HOLLINGWORTH, HONLEY JACKSON, JENNISON, JOHNSON KENNINGHAM, KIRKLAND LISTER(2), LODGE MANNS, MARSHALL(3), MARSON, MORTIMER, MURTAGH NAYLOR, NICHOLSON, NOBLE, NORTH OTTER, OUTHART, OXLEY PICKERING, PRECIOUS RANN, RAWCLIFFE, RAWDEN/ROWDEN, REVELEY, REW ROE/ROWE/ROW, ROSENDALE, RUSHTON SAVILLE, SCARFF, SEDGWICK, SMITH, SMY SPENCER, SUDDABY UNEY VINCENT WADSLEY, WALKER, WELLS, WIDDOP, WILKINSON WOOD, WOODHEAD, WOODRUFF, WRIGHT

Greetings , I'm new to this List, and searching for the above Family, seem to have reached a brick-wall with my elusive Grandfather THOMAS FARRELL, If anyone has the 1871 Census for WIDNES could they please do a look-up for me, the last address on the 1881 Census was: 27 MILTON RD, WIDNES, LANCS JOHN, HD,WIDOWER, AGE 40, BORN IRELAND, OCCUP GEN LAB THOMAS, SON, AGE 16, BORN WIDNES, OCCUP COOPERS APPRENTICE MARY ELLEN, DAUT, AGE 13, BORN WIDNES, SCHOLAR Would appreciate any information, or guidance in the search, Regards Meg

Looking for information on Charlotte Churchill Toplis born 1849, and Arthur Churchill Toplis born Dec 1852, both born in Chorlton. I am looking at the parents of these 2, as my g-g-grandparents were Thomas Toplis and Hannah Churchill. If possible, I would appreciate a look-up of the family in that area. I last saw them in Nottinghamshire, but am sure they have a larger family than I saw there. Part of this family (Fleetwood, Charles S. and Isabella) ended up in Canada - I have yet to figure out how, who and when. Thank you Charlene

Hello. I was wondering if anyone would have access to the 1891 census who could check two addresses for me and tell me who is in the household? The addresses are: 10 George St - Carleton (in Craven) - Yorkshire (Nr Skipton) and Maltkiln, (Menwith Cum) Darley, Yorkshire I am trying to establish whether a William BANKS born Burnt Yates, Yorkshire in 1868 is still at the Maltkiln address and who is living at the George Street address. Be very grate ful for any help soemone could offer. Regards and thanks, Karl Phillipson London UK Researching: PHILLIPSON + THISTLETHWAITE + DARBY + THOROUGHGOOD + BRATT --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003

Hi all. Looking for any details on a Nellie BALLINGER born Nelson, Lancs, 1897 to Japheth/Jabey/Jazeb and Alice Ann BALLINGER. 1901 Census at 11 Branch St, Nelson, Lancs. Kind regards in advance. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Mason, Hamilton, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi, I am researching my family name Saltmer. I would like to hear from anyone who is researching the same or who has a Saltmer in their tree. Graham Saltmer

I wonder if anyone is researching the following marriages - my interest is the Pemberton - Stott line Maria Ann Pemberton to James Lee Wood - c 1869 Alfred Pemberton to Margaret?? c dont know William Henry Pemberton to Mary?? Bess or Elizabeth Pemberton to Joseph Eckersley on 17th August prob around 1874 and Aimee Stott to Charles Devereux BURKINSHAW 21st April c 1891ish Ethel Stott to Julius WAHLTUCH 7th Dec prob 1896ish Beatrice Mary Stott to Horace KELLY 19 nov after 1901 Hilda Gertrude Stott to Thomas Benjamin CASWELL 15 Feb c 1905 Dorothy Stott to Bert WORSLEY AFTER 1909 I think they had a daughter called Barbara cheers Ros

I not eon Genii several family History Societies for Yorkshire- which one in particular would cover Sowerby/Bridge near Halifax Many thanks Janet Foreman Isle of Wight researching KERSHAW

In a message dated 04/03/03 06:17:39 GMT Standard Time, Chrisgaules@aol.com writes: > dear listers, > i have the marriage of a CHARLES TREVOR & JANE > GEE IN MANCHESTER 1850. it was stated he was a widower at the time but cant > find out who was his first wife.any ideas? You could check out the deaths in BDMs? Its not that common a name so you might find it relatively easy to check back through the listings if you have a BDM index near you.

dear listers, i have the marriage of a CHARLES TREVOR & JANE GEE IN MANCHESTER 1850. it was stated he was a widower at the time but cant find out who was his first wife.any ideas? many thanks chris