Hi Jim, You make mention of the 1881 Census on film of the enumerators booklet. I did not know this film existed. I can only find the typed transcipts which were used to compile the CDs. Where can I find the film of the original returns. I want to to see the original return for 21 Lyon St in Blackburn for 1881. Hopefully the place of birth will be more detailed than just "IRELAND" - but slim chance I know. Best Regards, Martin -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lancaster [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2001 8:57:am To: [email protected] Subject: 1881 Census on filmof the enumerators booklet Hi, Casie, Thanks for your note. You wrote > The last entry, Eric ALLSUP, is mother's cousin once removed > I was under the impression that his > father also attended Rossall, so will have to check this out with him. The details in "The Rossall School Register, 7th Edition, 1871 - 1939". Ed. by R.K.M. 1940 [RSR7] that I quoted did not mention his father at the end. This is where the Register included family links as with the three brothers above. > The 1881 Census records three RICHARDSON boys attending Rossall School > - Edward 19, William 17 and George 16. I suspect that you have used the 1881 Census Transcript on CD, rather than the film of the enumerators booklet. The 1881 Transcript CD records five RICHARDSON boys as - Dwelling: Rossall Near Fleetwood "Rossall School" Census Place: Thornton In Fylde, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1342018 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4256 Folio 89 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Household of Herbert Armitage JAMES Edward Shaw RICHARDSON U 19 M Miles Platting, Lancashire, England Rel: Scholar William Herbert RICHARDSON U 17 M Miles Platting, Lancashire, England Rel: Scholar Alex. R. Monteith Airth RICHARDSON U 14 M Ireland Rel: Scholar Jonathan Oswald Airth RICHARDSON U 12 M Ireland Rel: Scholar Frank Victor RICHARDSON U 14 M Gaulby, Leicester, England Rel: Scholar 1881 British Census 07/08/01 Copyright (c) 1999 by Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. Page The RSR7 indicates that there were several different families of RICHARDSON boys. The entries in RSR7 for the first two boys listed above are Entrances in 1875 p.44 RICHARDSON, Edward Shaw (born 1862); School colours cricket; rugby football 3 years; hockey; fives 2 years; gymnasium 3 years and champion 1 year. Left in 1881; Trinity coll, Camb. B.A. 1885; played football for Northumberland, and hockey for Lancashire; ord. 1886; curate of Corbridge-on-Tyne 1886; of Poulton-le-Fylde 1888; of Kersal Moor 1889; rector of St. Paul's, Hulme, 1893; vicar of St. Matthew's, Bolton 1895; rector of St. George's, Hulme, and can. res. of Manchester 1909-1919; vicar of Blackburn, and R.D. Manchester 1919; hon. can. of Manchester 1919; archdeacon of Blackburn 1920; died suddenly 15 Nov 1921; brothers W.H.R., E.L.R. p. 45 RICHARDSON, William Herbert (10 Nov 1863); left 1881; L.R.C.S., L.R.C.P.Edin., L.R.F.P.S. Glasg., 1896. Res: 139 Upper Lloyd St., Moss Side, Manchester; brothers E.S.R., E.L.R The notes about brother indicates a third brother whose entry reads - Admission First Term 1885 p. 93 RICHARDSON, Ernest Lowther (born 12 Feb 1875); Prep; left Mid-Summer 1886; railway eng. S. Indian Ry, Negapatam, Madras; brother E.S.R., W.H.R. I did not find a matching George or James. Turning back to the 1881 Census Transcript and looking for Ernest, I found Dwelling: The Vicarage Census Place: Poulton Le Fylde, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1342018 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4255 Folio 44 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William RICHARDSON M 55 M Appleby, Westmorland, England Rel: Head Occ: Vicar Of Poulton Le Fylde Mary A. RICHARDSON M 47 F Manchester, Lancashire, England Rel: Wife Harriet J. RICHARDSON U 20 F Manchester, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Sarah A. RICHARDSON 15 F Manchester, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Emily C RICHARDSON 11 F Manchester, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Jessie H. RICHARDSON 10 F Poulton Le Fylde, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Edith A. RICHARDSON 7 F Poulton Le Fylde, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Ernest L. RICHARDSON 6 M Poulton Le Fylde, Lancashire, England Rel: Son George H. RICHARDSON 16 m M Poulton Le Fylde, Lancashire, England Rel: Son 1881 British Census 07/08/01 Copyright (c) 1999 by Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. I will leave you to digest all that, as I do not know how it fits with your other knowledge. If you think I can help further, send me a note off-list Hope this helps Jim lancaster (Bury, LAN, ENG) ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachment to it is intended only to be read or used by the named addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistaken transmission to you. If you receive this e-mail in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or use any part of this e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. The RTA is not responsible for any unauthorised alterations to this e-mail or attachment to it.

Hi, Martin, You wrote > You make mention of the 1881 Census on film of the enumerators booklet. I > did not know this film existed. I can only find the typed transcripts which > were used to compile the CDs. All the UK Census were put onto film for public use. These are usually available in UK Libraries - no joy to you I know. Many years ago, before computers were available, the Federation of Family History Societies in the UK (FFHS) had a project for each Society to prepare Surname Indexes for the Census of its own area. This was patchy in its completion. Then in the mid-1980s, there was a decision for a joint project between the Mormon Church (LDS) and the FFHS for the transcription of all the data in the 1881 Census. This took many years and it was only in about 1996 that the results for last and biggest county, Lancashire, were published on fiche. In 1999, the CD version was published. I have been told that when the CD version was published, the LDS withdrew the film copies from their Family History Centres (FHC) in the UK, on the grounds that the CD was available. The film version is necessary to check dubious transcriptions, though you will be told that the transcription has been checked. I have found LANCASTER entries resident in Stand, to the south of Bury, who are reported as being born in Bingley. Bingley is a town in Yorkshire. However, checking the 'original' film, it is seen that they were born in Ringley, the next township to Stand, probably less than a mile away from where they were living. If you ask strongly enough, you may be able to get your FHC to obtain the 'original' film, but I am not sure of this. You continue > Hopefully the place of birth will be more detailed than just > "IRELAND" - but slim chance I know. I would suggest that your chance of any more information being available is virtually zero. The dubious transcriptions I mentioned are usually readings of bad hand writing, e.g. the word 'annuitant' being rendered as 'accountant' etc. Your best bet for finding the place in Ireland is to check the other Census years, or to look for other sources. Hope that helps Jim Lancaster (Bury, LAN, ENG) ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUNNER Martin" <[email protected]>

Hi Jim, I agree in what you say about the 1881c on CD not being a true copy. I found Blackburn, Lanark, Scotland for a family of 10 people. Obviously this should have said Blackburn, Lancs. Cheers, Lynn in Preston

Hello There is actually a Blackburn in Scotland!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.TAGG" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:01 AM Subject: Re: 1881 Census on film > Hi Jim, > > I agree in what you say about the 1881c on CD not being a true copy. > > I found Blackburn, Lanark, Scotland for a family of 10 people. Obviously > this should have said Blackburn, Lancs. > > Cheers, > Lynn in Preston >

Hello Martin, I have the 1851 Surname census for Blackburn if that is any help to see if their name was there. Not a lot of use I know. Joan at Devon