Hi, I'm researching my g-g-grandfather Thomas SMELTZER. The info I have so far has some of his siblings passing away in St Helens Lancashire. His parents were William SMELTZER married Mary BIBLE who was born about 1820 Kilcooly Ireland. Their Children were: Peter SMELTZER b. 1838 p. Ireland d. 1931 p. Straffan Kildare John SMELTZER b. 1840 p. Ireland d. 09 Jan 1897 p. St Helens Lancashire Eng m. 19 Jan 1865 p. Meath Ire wife: Frances OGLE Children: Margaret b. 1865 Frances b. 1869-1909 William SMELTZER b. 1841 p. Ireland d. 8 May 1920 p. Mt Pleasant Dublin m. 3 Apr 1869 p. Kells Meath Ire wife: Julia FINLAY Children: William b. 1870 George b. 1871-1958 Mary b. 1874 Edward b. 1876-1931 Thomas b. 1887 Daniel SMELTZER b. 1845 p. Kildare d. Dec 1914 p. St Helens Lancashire Eng m. 19 Jun 1867 p. Meath wife: Ann SCALES Children: Richard b. 1868-1934 Daniel b. 1870-1944 Edward b. 1871 Robert SMELTZER b. 1849 p. Ireland d. 27/12/1916 p. Yorkshire Eng m. 16 Aug 1870 p. Meath wife: Sarah SCALES Children: William b. 1878 Mary Ann b. Elizabeth b. Robert b. 1887 Richard b. 1889 Thomas SMELTZER b. 6 Apr 1857 p. Kill Kildare d. 26 Jun 1927 p. Brisbane Australia m. 16 Nov 1884 p. Roma Qld Aust wife: Mary CLISHAM Children: Sabina Mary b. 1885 Thomas b. 1888-1892 m. 8 Feb 1892 p. Brisbane Qld Aust wife: Emily Jane KELLY Children: Emily Jane b. 1892 Iris b. 1892 Thomas b. 1896-1977 William Oscar b. 1899-1947 Gladys Lousia b. 1902-1903 Gladys b. 1909 Mary Ann SMELTZER b. 11 Mar 1859 p. Dublin m. 7 Dec 1892 p. Dublin husband: William SCALES Children: William James Jnr b. 1895 Richard T b. 1896 Catherine SMELTZER b. p. Meath Thomas (b.1857) immigrated to Queensland Australia on board the ship Scottish Admiral in 1872. On Thomas' marriage certificate, he lists his father's William's occupation as "ganger". If any of this info is familiar to anyone or they could help with further info, I would love to hear from you. Melissa

Hi, Melissa, You asked about SMELTZER in Lancashire., a range of people and a range of dates. The first place I looked was in the 1881 Census Transcript on CD. If you have a Mormon (LDS) Family History Centre (FHC) near you, you will be able to see these there, and it is also available on FamilySearch. Searching the National (i.e. UK) Index produced the following list of names Name, Relationship, <Date of Birth> Birthplace, Census Place SMELTZER, John Head <1841> Irel Lanc SMELTZER, Robert Head <1851> Irel Lanc SMELTZER, Sarah Wife <1854> Irel Lanc SMELTZER, Emily Serv <1862> Som Som SMELTZER, Margaret Dau <1866> Irel Lanc SMELTZER, Mary Vist <1867> Som Som SMELTZER, William Son <1878> Lanc Lanc SMELTZER, Mary Ann Dau <1880> Lanc Lanc I have ignored the two young ladies in Somerset (SOM). The others were all resident in Lancashire and checking the full transcript shows that they were two families living next door to one another. Dwelling: 32 Graham St, Parr, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341894 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3737 Folio 90 Page 45 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John SMELTZER M 40 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Chem Lab Margaret SMELTZER U 15 F Ireland Rel: Daur Dwelling: 34 Graham St, Parr, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341894 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3737 Folio 90 Page 45 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert SMELTZER M 30 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Blacksmith Chem Wks Sarah SMELTZER M 27 F Ireland Rel: Wife William SMELTZER 3 M St Helens, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Mary Ann SMELTZER 1 F St Helens, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Ancestry has produced a detailed Index to the 1891 Census for Lancashire and this showed two families in the Parr area Name Relationship Age Gender Birthplace Daniel Smeltzer Head 48 Male IRL Ann Smeltzer Wife 46 Female IRL Richard Smeltzer Son 22 Male IRL Daniel Smeltzer Son 21 Male IRL William Smeltzer Son 19 Male IRL Annie Smeltzer Daughter 16 Female St Helens, Lancashire Joseph Smeltzer Son 14 Male St Helens, Lancashire Florence Smeltzer Daughter 10 Female IRL James Smeltzer Son 8 Male IRL Robert Smeltzer Son 7 Male St Helens, Lancashire Mary Smeltzer Daughter 4 Female St Helens, Lancashire Town: St Helens, Ecc. Parish: Holy Trinity, Civil Parish: Parr, County: Lancashire Registration: Prescot, St Helens, 22 View Image Online (Subscription Required) Source: PRO/National Archives Reference # RG12/3023 Folio 75 Page 48 ~~~~~ Name Relationship Age Gender Birthplace John Smeltzer Head 50 Male IRL Francis Smeltzer Wife 45 Female IRL Mary L Smeltzer Daughter 22 Female IRL Town: St Helens, Ecc. Parish: Holy Trinity, Civil Parish: Parr, County: Lancashire Registration: Prescot, St Helens, 23 View Image Online (Subscription Required) Source: PRO/National Archives Reference # RG12/3023 Folio 134 Page 54 A look on FreeBMD (www.freebmd.org.uk ) for births Search for Type: Births Surname: smeltzer Start date: Mar 1870 End date: Dec 1891 Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Dec 1874 SMELTZER Annie Prescot 8b 666 Births Sep 1879 Smeltzer Mary Ann Prescot 8b 746 Births Sep 1883 Smeltzer Elizabeth Prescot 8b 706 Smeltzer Robert John Prescot 8b 689 Births Jun 1890 Smeltzer Elizabeth Anne Kingston 2a 292 Births Dec 1891 Smeltzer Albert William Axbridge 5c 493 The births registers in Prescott will be the ones relating to the families resident in Parr. For marriages the search showed just two Search for Type: Marriages Surname: smeltzer Start date: Mar 1870 End date: Dec 1891 Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1881 SMELTZER Sydney Philip Bridgwater 5c 627 Marriages Dec 1885 Smeltzer Emily Bristol 6a 136 Probably this Emily is the same as the one in the 1881 Census Transcript. Obtaining a copy of the certificate should identify her father if you were looking to see if there was any link. There was only one recorded death Search for Type: Deaths Surname: smeltzer Start date: Mar 1870 End date: Dec 1891 Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Dec 1884 Smeltzer David 53 Axbridge 5c 379 As you will see, there was movement both ways between England and Ireland. Hope this helps, but if anything is not clear please send me a note. Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Fejo" <mfejo@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 3:00 AM Subject: SMELTZER/SCALES