Hello List I hope sks can look at the 1851 census for Lancashire ,Goosnargh / Broughton near Preston for me I am looking for James Ward ( Farmer ? ) , Wife Mary and son Robert ( Abt 10 year old ) This is a brick wall I have had for some time but I think / hope the census will show the link I need. Best Regards Stuart

A big thanks to Christine for finding this family in the 1871 census in Lytham, Lancashire! Paul and Mary Catterall had children Ann Eliza and Frederick Peter besides Thomas Turner. Does this connect with anyone's family? Shirley

I've learned that a friend's great-great grandfather is Paul Catterall, married to a Marian Turner. Their son was Thomas Turner Catterall, born April 1853 in Preston, and immigrated to the United States in 1880. Based upon this information, would it be possible for anyone to do a 1861 and/or 1871 census lookup for this family? Thank you, Shirley in Tucson, Arizona

Hi Everyone Still trying to find this family in 1861 for a friend and possible connection to my Ellison/Martin branch In 1851 living Saddleside Chipping William WALMSLEY 44 Mary WALMSLEY 44 Ann 16 William 12 Jane 10 Richard 8 George 3 In 1871 Mary is a widow and living in Preston the 1861 would help to pin down time of Williams death and when the family left the farm Any help would be appreciated Would love to hear from anyone researching these names in the Chipping area Thank you in advance and also to all those who have helped with other lookups Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 01/10/2004

Hello, Am I in the right list for Croston Lancs. please? Regards, Yvonne + NZ

Hi, Could SKS please do a look up for me at Preston CRO. According to the IGI my ancestor was born the same day her parents were married. I have checked the register for the marriage and that is right all I need now is for someone to check the Grindleton church register for the birth of Jenny HARGRAVES 23rd September. The year on the IGI is 1800 but that is the year her parents married. We all know the IGI can be wrong. I know for sure her fathers name was John. Thanks. Joan in Devon

Hi List, I am trying to locate my Great Great Grandfather and ascertain his age. His name is John WARD and I found him on the 1881 census in Salford and his age was given as 53, birthplace Retford, Nottinghamshire. I recently found him on the 1871 census in Hulme, Manchester and his age was given as 46. So he could have been born anywhere between 1825 & 1828. I sent for the Retford parish records and found only one WARD family in West Retford. There was a John but he was born in 1819 but in 1825 there was a Jonathon. I am trying to find out if the John I have as my rellie was really called Jonathon or was he the John born 1819 and he lied about his age, big time. The reason I am writing to the Preston list is to see if anyone has a copy of the 1851 census of Preston and could look the family up for me. He worked on the railways so he moved around a fair bit. From the 1871 census I have this:- John Ward Head age 46 Railway Porter Born Retford, Notts. Mary Ann Ward Wife age 40 Born Wigton, Cumbs. Elizabeth Ward Dau age 18 Born Preston, Lancs. Isabella Ward Dau age 15 Born Carlisle, Cumbs. Margaret Ward Dau age 13 Born Carlisle, Cumbs. Robert A. Ward Son age 11 Born Manchester, Lancs. John J. Ward Son age 9 Born Manchester, Lancs. Jasper Ward Son age 6 Born Salford, Lancs. William Ward Son age 3 Born Salford, Lancs. Emma Cooper Dau age 22 Born Nottingham, Notts. John Cooper G/Son age 4mth Born Nottingham, Notts. The Elizabeth would have been born around 1852 so they could still be in Preston. I realise that this is a big ask but anything is worth a try. Mal Woods Ex Salford now Western Australia Malcolm & Gladys Woods Email: malandglad@westnet.com.au

Hi I found this one dont know if they are yours Hope it helps Christine MARY ANNE LAMB Marriages: Spouse: ROBERT ASCROFT Family Marriage: 16 JUL 1840 Cockerham, Lancashire, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "ecapp" <ecapp@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: Ashcroft/Catterall in Preston > Hello all, > Anyone researching ASHCROFT in Preston? A very generous Henry Ashcroft, Contractor, provided a grave for a Mary LAMB and her daughters Bridget, Ellen and Mary. There are also a couple of Ashcrofts in the grave (Colin and William). Bridget was a Catterall by marriage and her husband John is in a public grave - they both died age 38 in 1874-5. > I am trying to find the connection with the Ashcrofts - maybe Mary Lamb senior was an Ashcroft before her marriage? > Any info appreciated, > regards > Caroline Hess N. Yorks, UK. > SEED, LAMB, TOULMIN, CATTERALL, DOWBIGGIN and others! > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.770 / Virus Database: 517 - Release Date: 27/09/2004

Hello all, Anyone researching ASHCROFT in Preston? A very generous Henry Ashcroft, Contractor, provided a grave for a Mary LAMB and her daughters Bridget, Ellen and Mary. There are also a couple of Ashcrofts in the grave (Colin and William). Bridget was a Catterall by marriage and her husband John is in a public grave - they both died age 38 in 1874-5. I am trying to find the connection with the Ashcrofts - maybe Mary Lamb senior was an Ashcroft before her marriage? Any info appreciated, regards Caroline Hess N. Yorks, UK. SEED, LAMB, TOULMIN, CATTERALL, DOWBIGGIN and others!

Hello all I am beginning research from the USA I have found 2 different references to St Ingnatuis concerning both my grandfathers and grandmothers family . My grandfathers family lived in Walton Le Dale in 1871 nad 1891 census. I do not know where my grandmother lived.but was in Bamber Bridge later in life. Are Bamber Bridge and Walton le Dale near each other.? Are St Ignatuis records online I can not find them at Ancestry.com or the few UK sites ive been to. Thanks for any and all help Chris Mcgahee Researching Whittle Bowes

Hi All, Thanks to Brian, it now seems possible that some of my PARKINSONs may have attended Christ Church in Preston. He identified the following: "1470818 Title Parish registers, 1857-1900 Authors Church of England. Christ Church (Preston, Lancashire) (Main Author) Marriages 1897-1900 Particulars of deceased persons interred in the burial ground 1831-1896 Register of services 1880-1890 Register of official parochial register 1894-1900 FHL BRITISH Film 1470818 Items 1-4" Lancashire Records Office file number PR 2952/1/1-3, 8-9, I am interested in the following marriage: PARKINSON, Thomas Age: 22 Wife: Elizabeth Isabella HOGGARTH Age: 25 Marriage Date: 1 Nov 1899 Recorded in: Preston, Lancashire, England Husband's Father: Zacharias PARKINSON Wife's Father: John HOGGARTH Source: FHL Film 1470818 Dates: 1897 - 1900 And I would also like to identify where my PARKINSON ancestors in this area were buried eg. Zacharias PARKINSON died on 17 Dec 1884 at Fulwood Hall, Fulwood. I wonder if he may be buried at Christ Church also. Does anyone have access to the parish records or the MIs to check? Also, how do I find out which areas MIs have been done for as I also have Margaret HOGGARTH who died in Liverpool (probably Everton) on 23 June 1887 that I do not know where she was buried. St Lukes is a church which has come up on some marriage records and is a possibility. Thanks Michaela Morgan Hobart, Tasmania, AUSTRALIA

Hi Chris, Thanks for the thought, however both the families only moved into the area in the late 1870s and early 1880s. I have found some of the cousins christenings at St. John the Baptist Broughton but either the film did not cover the time of the marriage or I couldn't find it at this church. Broughton is the church that my grandmother referred to as the family church during her childhood (1909 to 1923) but I am having trouble access more recent records, i.e. into the 1900s to check it out. Anyone have any suggestions Michaela Morgan Hobart, Tasmania, Australia -----Original Message----- From: christine [mailto:christine1945@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:42 PM To: Michaela Morgan Subject: Re: Identifying churches from marriage references Hi Thought I would be clever and Look for Elizabeths birth assuming the family may have used same church ah well that backfired as I see she was born/christened Liverpool Sorry Chris One solution would be to buy a copy marriage cert online and that will show where they married ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michaela Morgan" <michaela1@netspace.net.au> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 11:48 AM Subject: Identifying churches from marriage references > Hi All, > > > > Some time ago I recall a message on one of the lists that I have subscribed > to which talked about determining the church that an event took place based > on the GRO Index reference. I have the following information: Dec 1899 > Preston 8e 969. I also have the entry from BVRI2: > > > > PARKINSON, Thomas Age: 22 Marriage > > Wife: Elizabeth Isabella HOGGARTH > > Age: 25 > > Marriage Date: 1 Nov 1899 > > Recorded in: Preston, Lancashire, England > > Husband's Father: Zacharias PARKINSON > > Wife's Father: John HOGGARTH > > Source: FHL Film 1470818 Dates: 1897 - 1900 > > > > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to determine the church that this > marriage took place in? It is likely that there were other events from this > family and I am keen to learn more. I intend to get the above film > eventually but for the time being my local LDS library only opens at times > that I am working so it will have to wait > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Michaela Morgan > > Hobart, Tasmania, Australia > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.769 / Virus Database: 516 - Release Date: 24/09/2004

> Willm Walmsley 61 born Chipping Lancs living Woodplumpton Retired Licensed Victualler Hello listers, I found an ancestor with the same occupation. Can anyone tell me what a "licensed victualler" is? Thanks for your time. Susan in MA, USA

Hi Michaela, The key to finding the church is in the FHL Film number. Go to the LDS Family History Library catalogue search page at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp and select Film/Fiche Search. Enter 1470818 and you will get the film contents, which includes images of registers for Preston Christ Church, Holy Trinity and St. Thomas. Your source is for marriages between 1897-1900, which matches items 1-4 on this film. These are for Christ Church. You can see details of the film by clicking on the " View Film Notes" button in the top right corner of the frame. It gives you this information: "1470818 Title Parish registers, 1857-1900 Authors Church of England. Christ Church (Preston, Lancashire) (Main Author) Note Location Film Baptisms 1857-1900 Marriages 1864-1897 FHL BRITISH Film 1470817 Items 16-20 Marriages 1897-1900 Particulars of deceased persons interred in the burial ground 1831-1896 Register of services 1880-1890 Register of official parochial register 1894-1900 FHL BRITISH Film 1470818 Items 1-4" Also note the Lancashire Records Office file number PR 2952/1/1-3, 8-9, on the Title Details page, which could be useful if you have the opportunity at some point to visit the Office. Best regards, Brian Cooper bcooper@mts.net Manitoba, Canada Researching in Lancashire: COOPER, WILSON, BARNFATHER, BRADSHAW, BUSBY, ELLITHORN, HELME, PARKINSON, ROBINSON (also ATHERTON, BOND, WRIGHT) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michaela Morgan" <michaela1@netspace.net.au> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 5:48 AM Subject: Identifying churches from marriage references > Hi All, > > > > Some time ago I recall a message on one of the lists that I have subscribed > to which talked about determining the church that an event took place based > on the GRO Index reference. I have the following information: Dec 1899 > Preston 8e 969. I also have the entry from BVRI2: > > > > PARKINSON, Thomas Age: 22 Marriage > > Wife: Elizabeth Isabella HOGGARTH > > Age: 25 > > Marriage Date: 1 Nov 1899 > > Recorded in: Preston, Lancashire, England > > Husband's Father: Zacharias PARKINSON > > Wife's Father: John HOGGARTH > > Source: FHL Film 1470818 Dates: 1897 - 1900 > > > > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to determine the church that this > marriage took place in? It is likely that there were other events from this > family and I am keen to learn more. I intend to get the above film > eventually but for the time being my local LDS library only opens at times > that I am working so it will have to wait > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Michaela Morgan > > Hobart, Tasmania, Australia > > > > ______________________________

Hi All Looking for any information on Michael EMMERSON who married Catherine MC DERMOTT 1882. On the 1890 census the children listed with them are Elizabeth age 11, she is the daughter of Cath MC DERMOTT, Annie age 8, John age 6 and Robert age 2. They are living at 25 James Street Preston. This family is not on the 1901 census. Anyone have a connection to this family? Any information on their whereabouts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Pam Brooklyn NY USA

Hi All, Some time ago I recall a message on one of the lists that I have subscribed to which talked about determining the church that an event took place based on the GRO Index reference. I have the following information: Dec 1899 Preston 8e 969. I also have the entry from BVRI2: PARKINSON, Thomas Age: 22 Marriage Wife: Elizabeth Isabella HOGGARTH Age: 25 Marriage Date: 1 Nov 1899 Recorded in: Preston, Lancashire, England Husband's Father: Zacharias PARKINSON Wife's Father: John HOGGARTH Source: FHL Film 1470818 Dates: 1897 - 1900 Can anyone tell me if it is possible to determine the church that this marriage took place in? It is likely that there were other events from this family and I am keen to learn more. I intend to get the above film eventually but for the time being my local LDS library only opens at times that I am working so it will have to wait Thanks Michaela Morgan Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

Hi Everyone Helping a friend with her family and wondered if SKP would please look this man up for me would love to know who is in the house with him Willm Walmsley 61 born Chipping Lancs living Woodplumpton Retired Licensed Victualler Thank you Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004

Hi Everyone Helping a friend trace her family and we would really appreciate a lookup for this family possibly living in Chipping 1841 0r 1851 William WALMSLEY born 1840 Chipping possible parents Charles WALMSLEY born about 1807 Hannah WALMSLEY nee ELLISON about 1800 father Mathew ELLISON mother Jane (both of Chipping) In 1851 there would also be George WALMSLEY born Chipping 1849 Any help would be really appreciated as we are unable to confirm parents of William and George and any siblings at the moment Thank you Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004

Hi Everyone Helping a friend trace her family and we would really appreciate a lookup for this family possibly living in Chipping 1841 0r 1851 William WALMSLEY born 1840 Chipping possible parents Charles WALMSLEY born about 1807 Hannah WALMSLEY nee ELLISON about 1800 father Mathew ELLISON mother Jane (both of Chipping) In 1851 there would also be George WALMSLEY born Chipping 1849 Any help would be really appreciated as we are unable to confirm parents of William and George and any siblings at the moment Thank you Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004

Hi All, I'm trying to trace the Davies family, Harold was born in 1906 in Coppull but died in Chorley, I know his parents were William and Frances ( nee Gregory) but I'd like to know if there's a way of finding any siblings for Harold. So any idea's welcome. Here's hoping, Wendy in a wet cornwall.