Hi Paul, I've had a quick look and have found the following in the 1871 census: 65 Frank Street (St Peters Ward) Thomas Fletcher Head Mar 28 Minder Cotton Born Hoghton Jane Fletcher Wife Mar 25 Weaver Cotton Born Preston Elizabeth Fletcher Daug 3 Scholar Born Preston Isabella Fletcher Daug 1 Born Preston Ann Birkenhead Lodger Unm 18 Rover Cotton Born Preston I've had no luck for Elizabeth in 1891 but have found the following possible connection: 4 Milne Street Habergham Eaves Burnley (Trinity Ward) James Hindle Head S 37 Weaver Born Blackburn Jane Fletcher Mar 47 Weaver Born Preston Jane Fletcher S 17 Weaver Born Bolton Thomas Fletcher S 11 Weaver Born Padiham I assume Elizabeth and Isabella are likely to have married by then. Good luck with the research. I have Fletchers in my Preston family too but I don't think there is a connection. Best Wishes, Ingrid -----Original Message----- From: paul harrison [mailto:Frpaul@harrisonrc.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 19 January 2005 10:17 To: ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: FLETCHER 1871 CENSUS Hello All: If sks has access to the 1871 census for PRESTON could they look up to see if THOMAS & JANE FLETCHER both aged c29 ELIZABETH ANNE FLETCHER born 1867 all born in Preston sorry but I dont have an address thanks in advance paul harrison ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 17/01/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 17/01/2005

Hello all this is a bit of a shot in the dark - but if anyone has access to the 1891 census could they try to find ELIZABETH ANN FLETCHER born 1867 in PRESTON - some times called Lizzie. She may be in Preston or Burnley or Padiham. She has siblings JANE, ISABELLA and THOMAS not sure whether they will be at the same address though. There is also a possibility that was she was staying with her grandmother in Preston, JANE KITCHEN sadly i know neither her age or place of birth. Once again thanks in anticipation paul harrison

Hello All: If sks has access to the 1871 census for PRESTON could they look up to see if THOMAS & JANE FLETCHER both aged c29 ELIZABETH ANNE FLETCHER born 1867 all born in Preston sorry but I dont have an address thanks in advance paul harrison

I am needing advice on my Irish family who emigrated to Preston, Lancs from Ireland sometime before 1861 census. I am looking for suggestions on how to find the parents of the children, and where are they after this census? 1861 has my ggggmother Mary, her husband Hugh and four children were found in Lower Pitt St, Preston. 1871 I have just found Mary McKEARNEY living with her eldest dau and 4 grandchildren listed that I did not know about, or have any idea who their parents are. I have trawled around the 1861 near Lower Pitt St, but cannot see anyone resembling the children born before 1861. They were all born in Preston according to the census, but at this stage I cannot find them on the FreeBMD. They are Catholic, so I am not sure which church they would have been baptised in. Their surname could be misspelt I am sure, but where do I start? Jno born circa 1857-58 Andrew born circa 1859-60 Ann born circa 1861-62 Thomas born circa 1868-69 Thank Kathryn Adelaide, Sth Australia

Hi, Kathryn, You asked > I am needing advice on my Irish family who emigrated to Preston, Lancs. from Ireland sometime before 1861 census. I am looking for suggestions on how to find the parents of the children, and where are they after this census? First, it is extremely unlikely that there are any records of their crossing from Ireland to England because this was internal movement within the British state. Second, have you looked at the Surname Indexes to the 1851 Census around Preston. These are available from either the Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society (LFHHS) at www.lfhhs.org.uk >Shop>Microfiche or the Manchester & Lancashire FHS at www.mlfhs.org.uk There is as yet no index for the whole of Lancashire, they are Piece by Piece. The LFHHS also has surname indexes for the later Censuses, except for the 1881 Census that has been transcribed. As the family were Catholics you expect them to have been baptised. By 1855 there were four RC churches in Preston. St Wilfrid / St. Mary St. Ignatius St. Augustine St. Walburge St. Joseph (1862) All the early registers for these churches have been deposited in the Lancashire Record Office (LRO) in Preston except for those of St. Mary / St. Wilfrid but there is a transcript of these in the LRO. As far as I know no copies of these registers are available elsewhere. I would have thought Lower Pitt Street was in the area served by St. Mary / St. Wilfrid, though it may be in St. Walburge's. I hope this helps Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackson Family" <mackjack@ozemail.com.au> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:10 AM Subject: Preston Help & Advice - McKEARNEY

Good afternoon all You may be interested in the following programme: BBC2 Friday January 14th 2005 2100-2200 "The Lost World of Mitchell and Kenyon" A preview says: "In 1995 an extraordinary archive of 800 pre-First World War films was discovered in sealed barrels in the basement of a shop in Blackburn, Lancs. For 80 years, the films - shot by pioneering film-makers Sagar Mitchell and James Kenyon - had lain hidden in the cellar. Now rescued and restored to their original clarity by experts at the British Film Institute, they provide a remarkable visual record of Edwardian life in Britain". This appears to be just the first of a series of programmes. Spread the word! Best wishes Ron

Hi, Cynthia, You asked > Would anyone know if there was a Dr. Bernardo (Barnado) Home for Children in > the Preston Area during the 1880-1990? My recollections from the period 1940 - 1950 is that there were three main orphanages in Preston, the Harris Orphanage in Fulwood (an Anglican home, founded by Rev Harris, a Rector of Preston), St. Vincent's Boys Home and Moorfields Girls Home (RC foundations). In addition there was a small RC girls orphanage in Theatre Street. I do not remember a Dr. Barnado's Home. Tony mentions Shepherd Street Mission. My understanding was that this was a Non-Conformist Mission that provided for the poor and needy, but did not have a children's home. I could be wrong. I remember the annual appeals in the Lancashire Daily Post and the lists of what people had donated. With regard to Dr. Barnado's, I had a look on Google - I am getting more confident about using Google! - and found a site http://www.institutions.org.uk/orphanages/info/doctor_barnardo_homes.htm that had an advert for Dr. Barnado's from ca 1900 that sets out how the Society works and appealed for help. This suggested I Google for 'Open-Door Homes' and this produced the relevant part of the Dr. Barnado's official site - http://www.barnardos.org.uk/whoweare/history/pasthomes/northwest/index.jsp This includes a list of the Dr. Barnado's Homes in the north west of England and brief details of their history. It does not list any Dr. Barnado's Home in Preston. Dr. Barnado's was not the only society that organised the emigration of children to the New World. The basic philosophy seems to have been that these children came from backgrounds that were very difficult and so the best way of helping these children was to give them a new start. These societies believed that a new start would be more effective if the old was abandoned completely and the child had no links backwards in time. This concept is quite alien to modern thinking but for almost a hundred years it was accepted as the best way forward. Reading the papers recently suggests that we may have a different system but all the problems of the 1800s still remain. One of the other sites I came across whilst I was searching was http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/homechild.html and this has links to many sites dealing with the care of children in need, including their emigration to Canada, and looks at all aspects of the system. The main page of the site that had the advert for Dr Barnado's - http://www.institutions.org.uk - has a great deal of information about all the various types of institution that were in existence in earlier times. Hope this helps Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cynvogel@aol.com> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:25 AM Subject: Dr. Barnado Home

I an new to this list and am posting my interests. They are all from the Colne area, which I hope is covered by this list. MYERS PRIESTLEY PROCTER Cheers, Faye

Hi Cynthia I am pretty sure there was a bernardos home for children in Shepard Street in Preston. Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cynvogel@aol.com> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:25 AM Subject: Dr. Barnado Home > Would anyone know if there was a Dr. Bernardo (Barnado) Home for Children in > the Preston Area during the 1880-1990? I understand that this person arranged > for passage of poor children to Canada/US, but I do not know if he or his > organization was present in the Preston area. Thank you, Cynthia in California, > USA > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Would anyone know if there was a Dr. Bernardo (Barnado) Home for Children in the Preston Area during the 1880-1990? I understand that this person arranged for passage of poor children to Canada/US, but I do not know if he or his organization was present in the Preston area. Thank you, Cynthia in California, USA

Winwick isnt too far from Preston, although the lancsgen might be better - there was a large hospital which is likely an ex-workhouse, and a small village. A very local church has a window dedicated to Lewis Carroll with Alice in Wonderland figures on the stained glass Liz >From: "Brian Wiles" <jrog44@hotmail.com> >To: ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: WINWICK AREA >Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:39:45 +1100 > > > >Hi All, > >Could someone tell me if this is the correct list to obtain information on >a place called Winwick, Lancashire. This is a place named in the late >1700's which just states Winwick, Lancashire. > >Regards, > >Brian > > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Hi All, To everyone who answered my query regarding Winwick, many thanks. Regards, Brian

Hi All, Could someone tell me if this is the correct list to obtain information on a place called Winwick, Lancashire. This is a place named in the late 1700's which just states Winwick, Lancashire. Regards, Brian

Hi All, Just a note of thanks to John and Anne for their census look-ups for Jane Ann Wilson. This has opened a door to Jane's family. Chalk up another brick wall for the List! Best wishes, Brian in Manitoba

Hello John, Though what you wrote is very accurate, I do wish that those who do have access to them and copy them on our behalf, at one very, very large profit for the service provided, would be more careful to ensure that the make better copies than quite a lot that come from them. Please note I do not say all, but a large number, in addition they do fade which the copies issued at the time of the event do not. This is down to poor photocopying and sloppy workmanship of those empowered to carry out the job. Laurie -----Original Message----- From: John Kane [mailto:roots@johnkane.clara.co.uk] Sent: 04 January 2005 21:13 To: ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Original Birth Certificates Just for the record, the original registers are closed to the public and can't be viewed or copied. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kane" <roots@johnkane.clara.co.uk> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: Original Birth Certificates > Dear Listers, > > Does anyone know if the Preston Register Office can supply copies of > original birth certificates? I'm about to order a certificate but I would > like to see the actual signature of the informant. > > Best regards and Happy New Year to everyone, > John Kane > Sapcote, Leics. > [researching HATCHER - LAVELLE - CROOKALL - LATUS] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.825 / Virus Database: 563 - Release Date: 30/12/2004 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Just for the record, the original registers are closed to the public and can't be viewed or copied. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kane" <roots@johnkane.clara.co.uk> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: Original Birth Certificates > Dear Listers, > > Does anyone know if the Preston Register Office can supply copies of > original birth certificates? I'm about to order a certificate but I would > like to see the actual signature of the informant. > > Best regards and Happy New Year to everyone, > John Kane > Sapcote, Leics. > [researching HATCHER - LAVELLE - CROOKALL - LATUS] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.825 / Virus Database: 563 - Release Date: 30/12/2004

Happy New Year to all, I am reposting my interest in the name BALDERSTON. My 2xG Grandmother, Mary Sarah BALDERSTON married my 2xG Grandfather, Thomas HUGHES August 24 1840 in St. John's Preston. Mary's father's name is given as Richard BALDERSTON, Dancing Master. Her address at the time was Chaddock Street, PRESTON. Witnesses to the marriage were Richard BALDERSTON (Father or brother?) and Alice DUCKETT. In the past someone very kindly sent me the Census Indexes for BALDERSTON for the 1851 census but when I obtained copies there was no Richard. I am now at a complete standstill with this family and any help or suggestions would be very gratefully received. Kind regards Jean Garforth All mail protected by McAfee VirusScan ____________________________________________________________________________ This email and all attachments have been electronically scanned by Kingston Communications' email Anti-Virus service and no known viruses were detected. ____________________________________________________________________________

Hello Brian, Here they are in 1891 at 19 Robinson Street, Preston RG 12/3442 Jane Ann Wilson head single 38 Laundress Domestic London Margaret Wilson d. 16 Cotton Weaver Preston Joseph Wilson son 10 Scholar Preston. Anne in Bolton

Hello Brian, This could be Jane working in Fulwood in 1871... Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island Jane Wilson 18 Middlesex, England Servant Fulwood Lancashire Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cooper" <bcooper@mts.net> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: Wilson brick wall > Hi All, > > To start off the New Year I'd like to post my WILSON brick wall > in Preston: > > Jane Ann WILSON b. ~1854 in London to Robert and Jane V. WILSON > d. ~1925 > > Her father Robert was an engineer or wheelwright. She appears in > Preston about 1875 on Vauxhall Road working as a domestic servant. > In 1881 she is at 12 Robinson Street, and at 19 Robinson Street in > 1898 at the time of her marriage to a William ATHERTON. William > was a widower previously married to an Elizabeth MORRELL. He was > born ca. 1842 to Walter ATHERTON and Ann AINSWORTH of Samlesbury. > The 1901 census shows William and Jane Ann living at 19 Robinson > with her mother Jane V., aged 72, born London. > > Jane Ann's children were Margaret b. 1875 and Joseph b. 1880, both > in Preston. They took their mother's surname. The father's > identity is behind the brick wall. Jane Ann may have had a sister, > Isabella b. ~1851 London, who married a John DUCKETT in Preston, > 1870. > > If anyone has her on the 1891 census, or has any other information > that might knock a hole in this wall, it would be very much > appreciated. > > Best wishes for 2005! > > Brian Cooper > bcooper@mts.net > > Preston 1700-Present: COOPER, BRADSHAW, BUSBY, ELLITHORN, HELME, > ROBINSON, WILSON --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.825 / Virus Database: 563 - Release Date: 30/12/2004

Hello Brian, Here she is in 1891. I'll send the image. Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County Wilson, Jane Ann 38 London Head Preston Lancashire Wilson, Margaret 16 Lancashire Daughter Preston Lancashire Wilson, Joseph 10 Lancashire Son Preston Lancashire Atherton, William 48 Lancashire Lodger Preston Lancashire Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cooper" <bcooper@mts.net> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: Wilson brick wall > Hi All, > > To start off the New Year I'd like to post my WILSON brick wall > in Preston: > > Jane Ann WILSON b. ~1854 in London to Robert and Jane V. WILSON > d. ~1925 > > Her father Robert was an engineer or wheelwright. She appears in > Preston about 1875 on Vauxhall Road working as a domestic servant. > In 1881 she is at 12 Robinson Street, and at 19 Robinson Street in > 1898 at the time of her marriage to a William ATHERTON. William > was a widower previously married to an Elizabeth MORRELL. He was > born ca. 1842 to Walter ATHERTON and Ann AINSWORTH of Samlesbury. > The 1901 census shows William and Jane Ann living at 19 Robinson > with her mother Jane V., aged 72, born London. > > Jane Ann's children were Margaret b. 1875 and Joseph b. 1880, both > in Preston. They took their mother's surname. The father's > identity is behind the brick wall. Jane Ann may have had a sister, > Isabella b. ~1851 London, who married a John DUCKETT in Preston, > 1870. > > If anyone has her on the 1891 census, or has any other information > that might knock a hole in this wall, it would be very much > appreciated. > > Best wishes for 2005! > > Brian Cooper > bcooper@mts.net > > Preston 1700-Present: COOPER, BRADSHAW, BUSBY, ELLITHORN, HELME, > ROBINSON, WILSON --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.825 / Virus Database: 563 - Release Date: 30/12/2004