no - but I do have an aluminium card - of the winter gardens pavilion Blackpool. But I have no idea at all of why they printed them on aluminium. I bought mine on e-bay - I sometimes go into schools and talk about histroy and take things and I though this would be interesting to take. A look on e-bay would give you an idea of value, and a visit to a postcard fair would probably have books - or the local library - I have just seen you are in Aus - the local library may have different books to the ones here sorry I have waffeled on and been no help - but it is early morning here LIz >From: "faye" <fladylady@iinet.net.au> >To: ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Postcards >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:57:12 +0800 > >Dear List, > >I have a couple of old postcards of Preston. If anyone is interested I >will email them a copy. Also another of Marsden Hall, Nelson. The >postcards of Preston are printed onto aluminium. Does anyone have any info >on old postcards, especially aluminium ones. > >Cheers, > Faye >(West Australia) > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hi, Karen, You wrote > I have spent a long time debating which Thomas and Jane belong to me. and I quite see why! You end - > Any further advice would be most helpful You provide the information > I sent for a certificate of one of the Woodcock/Gillett family to be certain I had found Jane Gillett. > Woodcock/Brown census info > 1861 this family are at 83 Adelphi St and Jane is now a widow (Adelphi street was home address on Francis's marriage certificate in 1858) > Woodcock/Gillett census info > 1851 - 4 Castle street Thomas = 40yrs > 1861 - 9 Ashmoor street Thomas = 50yrs I think these statements prove that Francis is the son of Jane (BROWN). This should be nailed down if you obtained Francis' birth certificate (you may already have it). The question of Francis' father's date of birth is now the awkward question. I don't think that the Census information is consistent between Censuses. You have found - > 1841 - Mill street Thomas = 25yrs > 1851 - 13 Frank street Thomas = 33yrs This does not look too bad, but the instructions to the enumerators in the 1841 Census were to round adult ages down to the nearest 5, specifically "for Persons aged 25 years and under 30 write 25" so your Thomas MAY have been older than 25 in 1841 so he aged well in 10 years. In your earlier note you stated "Thomas married Jane Brown in Garstang in 1833". Have you seen the entry in the Marriage Register? It may not be much help as I think many of the Anglican registers at this time only gave the name, condition, occupation and residence of the couple with no mention of their fathers. You have also found that this couple had at least six children who were all baptised at St. John (Parish Church), Preston. Have you looked at the god-parents? Again they may not be helpful as some churches seem to have had a parish representative as god-parent. However, if the god-parents are family members it may help to identify the WOODCOCK family to which Thomas belonged. Have you looked for other children of Thomas in Garstang baptism registers? Finally, the characters 3, 5, and 8 can be very difficult to distinguish in some hands. I hope this makes sense and is helpful Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KAREN WATERWORTH > To: ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@ROOTSWEB.COM > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:46 PM > Subject: Woodcock's in Preston

----- Original Message ----- From: KAREN WATERWORTH To: ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@ROOTSWEB.COM Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: Woodcock's in Preston Hi All Many thanks to you kind people for the help and advice. Jim Catholic or Anglican, I will leave that one for just a moment. I have spent a long time debating which Thomas and Jane belong to me. If you think I have gone wrong, please advise. My great Grandfather was Francis Albert Woodcock born 30-Sep-1863.Preston I also knew for certain that his parents Francis Woodcock 1840-1915 & Margaret Shields c1841-1918 had also come from Preston. My late uncle had at one time looked at the family tree and found the Thomas with the Jane Gillett (IGI) but had no idea about the Thomas and Jane Brown. After the death of my uncle I looked at the census and IGI info he had put together along with the marriage certificate of Francis & Margaret and found it did not add up at all. Although my late uncle had the Marriage certificate and death of Francis he did not have the birth. This I sent for and found his mother was Jane nee Brown. I did a search to see if a Francis had been born to the other Thomas and Jane but found nothing. I then decided to use the census to find both families. Francis's marriage certificate in 1858 stated that his father was Thomas Woodcock (Spinner) and he was deceased by the time of the marriage. In the census info Jane Brown's husband was a spinner and Gillett's was a sizer. I sent for a certificate of one of the Woodcock/Gillett family to be certain I had found Jane Gillett. Woodcock/Brown census info 1841 - Mill street Thomas = 25yrs 1851 - 13 Frank street Thomas = 33yrs 1861 this family are at 83 Adelphi St and Jane is now a widow (Adelphi street was home address on Francis's marriage certificate in 1858) Woodcock/Gillett census info 1841 - Seddon street Thomas = 30yrs 1851 - 4 Castle street Thomas = 40yrs 1861 - 9 Ashmoor street Thomas = 50yrs Any further advice would be most helpful Karen

Dear All Any ideas please on how I can move a little further back. My Woodcock family came from Preston, and of the catholic faith. I discovered my 3 x great grandparents Thomas Woodcock and Jane Brown. I had a slight problem at first as there where 2 Thomas & Jane's in the same area, the other was Thomas Woodcock and Jane Gillett. Thomas married Jane Brown in Garstang in 1833 and I have found six children 1.. Annie born c1837 2.. Francis born 29-Feb-1840 married Margaret Shields 7-Aug-1858 at St John Preston (my 2xGt Grandparents) 3.. James born c1843 married Isabella Walmsley 4-April-1863 at St John Preston 4.. Elizabeth born c1847 5.. Jane born 22-March-1850 married William Kellett 21-Mar-1868 at St John Preston 6.. Thomas born c1854 All above baptised at St John Preston I have the census information on this family for 1841,51,and 61. Thomas is recorded as born in Preston Lancashire. Thomas senior died 2-Feb-1854 he drowned in the River Ribble age 37yrs. I have his death certificate and obituary from a Preston newspaper. If anyone has any connection or information on the above family I would love to make contact. Many thanks Karen

Hi, Alan, You wrote > You will probably not find baptisms or any ceremony from a Catholic church for the years mentioned as until the Emancipation Act 1829, except for Jews and Quakers all marriages etc were illegal except if performed and registered in an Anglican church. If you are interested in Catholic Registers, there is a series of six books that detail all the known registers of early Catholic Mission. According to the volume "Catholic Missions and Registers 1700 - 1880, Volume 5, North West England" compiled and published by M. Gandy, 2nd Edition, 1998 (ISBN 0 9528879 2 4) the Catholic mission in Preston was in existence in 1605. It was known as St. Mary and its baptism registers start in 1768, with the marriages register starting in 1769. Catholic chapels were permitted, provided they were registered with the Quarter Sessions from 1791. Catholic priests could minister to their flock and Catholic could establish schools from this date. The position with regard to marriages is that before 1750 the whole marriage legislation was a shambles and in 1754 Hardwicke's Act came into power. This required that a marriage had to be performed by an appropriate Anglican minister in an approved Anglican church. As you say, these conditions did not apply to Jews or Quakers for a variety of reasons. They did apply to ALL non-conformists - in 1754 these were mainly Papists (Catholics) and Independents (Protestant dissenters). The late 1700s were the start of the Industrial Revolution. The population was growing rapidly and so the numbers of non-conformists was increasing. Further there was a growing awareness by some Anglican ministers that the Church of England was not reaching the new industrial areas. The wesley brothers were prominent in this movement and after their death we see the formation of the Methodist church. It was the fact that the Anglican church was not reaching a large part of the population, and that many of the non-conformist communities were not using the Anglican services that made the government want a better method of assessing the size of the population remoteness. This resulted in the establishment of civil registration. Preston had a significant non-conformist population of all kinds, from Quakers to Papists. Many or the pre-1837 non-conformist registers were sent to the Registration Commissioners in 1838, for "authorisation". Many chapels that submitted their registers were under the impression that they would be returned after "authorisation", but that did not happen. These registers eventually reached the National Archives, and so have been included in the IGI. The only RC registers to be submitted from Lancashire were those of St. Alban in Blackburn. Hope this clarifies the situation, but if anything is not clear, send me a note and I will have a re-think. Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan potter" <goodhopes@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: FW: Catholic Churches

-----Original Message----- From: alan potter [mailto:goodhopes@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:40 PM To: Fran Luby Subject: RE: Catholic Churches Fran, You will probably not find baptisms or any ceremony from a Catholic church for the years mentioned as until the Emancipation Act 1829, except for Jews and Quakers all marriages etc were illegal except if performed and registered in an Anglican church. You can search for your names via the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) Internet Family Search by going to: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryE ngland.htm Select Lancashire, Preston and generally follow the instructions.Only search by surname. The internet information will give you the dates, family details etc. The Internet information will not give you the religion. For that you will have view the actual film copy of the Parish Register (unless you are visiting England this may be easiest via your nearest Latter Day Saints Family History Centre) when you will see that if the clerk has put the comment 'Papist' against the entry, this is probably the person you are looking for. -----Original Message----- From: Fran Luby [mailto:fluby@ameritech.net] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:47 AM To: ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Catholic Churches Could someone tell me what Catholic churches were around in 1810 and 1820 in Preston. Found relatives in Catholic Census and want to find baptism records. Thank you, Fran ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi, Fran, There was only one (two) Catholic chapels in Preston in the early 1800s. I say "one (two)" because there was one mission but the priests used two chapels at different times, one and then the other and back and so on. The chapels were what became known as St. Mary, the earlier one, and St. Wilfrid, the later one and the one that still exists today. Sadly the Registers for the period 1803 to 1812 disappeared a long time ago. The registers for the periods before and after are still with the Parish Priest of St. Wilfrid's Church, Preston. These registers have been transcribed by a small team but not published. A copy of the transcript has been deposited in the Lancashire Record Office (LRO) in Preston. By chance there are two sets of Parish Censuses (one for 1810 and the other 1820) organised by the then Parish Priest, Fr. Joseph Dunn. These have been transcribed and published by Margaret Purcell about 10 years ago and copies are still available. These Censuses give names of the parishioners, and usually ages, and relationships in families, and sometimes addresses. These can provide useful information for the gap years. This book may the your source, in which case the only easily accessible copies of the registers that survive are the transcripts in the Lancashire Record Office. Hope this helps Jim Lancaster (Bury, Preston) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Luby" <fluby@ameritech.net> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:46 AM Subject: Catholic Churches

Googled and found this wonderful site it lists folks in schools all over the country in different census may help some folks its well worth a look http://www.missing-ancestors.com/ALPHABETICAL%20LIST%20OF%20ALL%20SCHOOLS.htm Christine 1945 ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rlj0369@aol.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:45 AM Subject: [ BRAD] BRADFORD SCHOOLS > Hello am looking for information on a BRADFORD RAGGED SCHOOL Rebecca > Street > Bradford 1880-1890 ... would particularly like to know if enrollment > information is available. > thanks for any help provided > > Ralph > Aberdeen, NJ USA > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Its expected that all subscribers to the list have a virus detection > program installed. If you dont have one then please install one > immediately. ***** You Know It Makes Sense ***** > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 01/02/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 01/02/2005

Could someone tell me what Catholic churches were around in 1810 and 1820 in Preston. Found relatives in Catholic Census and want to find baptism records. Thank you, Fran

----- Original Message ----- From: "pne.anne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> To: "Mike Hagger" <mike.hagger@btconnect.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:28 PM Subject: Fw: Haggers in Preston > Hello Mike, > > I have sent the e-mail below, to the Preston List, but as it has not come > up, I am sending it to you. > > Anne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pne.anne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> > To: "Mike Hagger" <mike.hagger@btconnect.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: Haggers in Preston > > >> Hello Mike, >> >> Here are the Haggars in Preston in 1851. >> >> HO 107/2265 Folio 622 >> >> 9 Garden Street or Gordon Street >> >> Thomas Newsham head marr. 74 Retired Corn Dealer Lytham >> Agness Newsham wife 71 Flookborough >> Richard HAGGAR lodger marr. 64 Ag. Lab. Ellel >> Ann HAGGAR sister in law marr. 63 Ag. Lab's wife Flookborough >> Agness HAGGAR Niece un. 35 Dressmaker Preston >> Thomas HAGGAR Nephew Un. 32 Rail Cl. Preston >> Ann HAGGAR Niece 3 months Preston >> >> HO 107/2266 Folio 347 >> >> 7 Bedford Street >> >> Edward Goodwin head marr. 31 Mill Sawyer Liverpool >> Ellen Goodwin wife 25 Inskip, Lancs >> Jane Goodwin d. 5 Scholar Preston >> Margaret Goodwin d. 3 Preston >> Sarah Ann d. 11 months Preston >> Margaret HAGGAR 64 Wid. Mother in law Inskip >> >> HO 107/2267 Folio 82 >> >> Moor Lane Mill House >> >> George HAGGAR un. Servant 18 Bookkeeper Preston >> Living with Thomas Crook, Cotton Manufacturer and his family. >> >> I hope these are what you are looking for. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Anne in Bolton, Lancs. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Hagger" <mike.hagger@btconnect.com> >> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:26 AM >> Subject: Haggers in Preston >> >> >>> Does anyone have knowledge of the name Hagger in Preston in the first >>> half of the 1800s.? >>> >>> Richard Hagger died in Preston on 1st December 1837 aged 84, occupation >>> Horsebreaker. The informant was his son, also Richard, of 42 Mount >>> Street. >>> >>> It is strongly believed that the family came from Hertfordshire, but it >>> is not known when. >>> >>> There may have been a Sarah hagger in the family (wife/daughter?) >>> >>> Does anyone have access to any indexes for 41 and 51 census to show if >>> the family remained in the area.? Which parish records may be relevant? >>> >>> Any guidance appreciated. >>> >>> With thanks >>> >>> Mike Hagger >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >

Many thanks to all who gave suggestions about recording census material on a PC. You have all given me plenty of ideas. Ive not started putting anything on yet - but I can't make my mind up whether to use Excel spreadsheet or Access database. Once again thanks to all who replied. regards paul harrison

Mike, I've got the 1851 Census Indexes for Preston and there are Hagger/Haggar on the following films: Mormon Film number 87290 H.O. 107/2265 Folio 622 H. O. 107/2266 Folio 347 Mormon Film number 87291 H. O. 107/2267 Folio 82 Good luck in your search! Pauline W. Guzek Jacksonville, Florida Researching Wilkinson, Wareing, Eccles and Cooper from Preston! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Haggers in Preston > From: > "Mike Hagger" <mike.hagger@btconnect.com> > Date: > Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:26:16 -0000 > To: > ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com > > >Does anyone have knowledge of the name Hagger in Preston in the first half of the 1800s.? > >Richard Hagger died in Preston on 1st December 1837 aged 84, occupation Horsebreaker. The informant was his son, also Richard, of 42 Mount Street. > >It is strongly believed that the family came from Hertfordshire, but it is not known when. > >There may have been a Sarah hagger in the family (wife/daughter?) > >Does anyone have access to any indexes for 41 and 51 census to show if the family remained in the area.? Which parish records may be relevant? > >Any guidance appreciated. > >With thanks > >Mike Hagger > >

Does anyone have knowledge of the name Hagger in Preston in the first half of the 1800s.? Richard Hagger died in Preston on 1st December 1837 aged 84, occupation Horsebreaker. The informant was his son, also Richard, of 42 Mount Street. It is strongly believed that the family came from Hertfordshire, but it is not known when. There may have been a Sarah hagger in the family (wife/daughter?) Does anyone have access to any indexes for 41 and 51 census to show if the family remained in the area.? Which parish records may be relevant? Any guidance appreciated. With thanks Mike Hagger

Slightly OT I know. Some of you may be interested to know that the DVD ( and I presume video) of the above mentioned fascinating series has now been issued. I'm sure it will be widely available in on line and local stores. I have already ordered mine. regards paul harrison

I am searching for SMITH information for our family who were originally from around Blackpool... possibly moving along River Wyre towards Thornton & Fleetwood later. WILLIAM SMITH born possibly c 1780 - 1800 Occupation FARMER (no other info known on him) THOMAS SMITH born 6th March 1819 or 1820 (Son of William Smith above) Thomas Smith came to Sydney Australia in 1839 or 1840 aged 19yrs or 20 yrs.. on the ship HOPE which he said ""he had watched being built on the River Wyre, prior to departing to Australia on it. He settled in Penrith, New South Wales & married Jane Laimbeer from Grt Torrington, whilst in Australia. His mother is listed as unknown on any reference we have. Any info on this SMITH line or the Ship HOPE.. would be appreciated. Cheers Laura Player Perth Western Australia

Dear Listers, Is anyone able to check for a Baptism at Preston please? I'm looking for Robert Alfred HATCHER. His birth was registered in the Dec Quarter of 1869 at Preston. His mother was Eliza HATCHER. In 1871 they were living at Kirkham Street North, Preston. It's possible it was a Roman Catholic Baptism. I would be very grateful if someone could help. Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.3 - Release Date: 31/01/2005

Hello list, Does any one have any info on the Ship HOPE which sailed from England to Australia 1838 - 1840. I believe the HOPE was built on the River Wyre prior to 1838 somewhere near Fleetwood Lancashire. Cheers Laura Perth Western Australia.

I am searching for SMITH information for our family who were originally from FLEETWOOD. WILLIAM SMITH born possibly c 1790 - 1800 Occupation FARMER (no other info known on him) THOMAS SMITH b 6th March 1819 or 1820 (Son of William Smith above) Thomas Smith came to Sydney Australia in 1839 or 1840 on the ship HOPE which he said ""he had watched being built on the River Wyre, prior to departing to Australia on it. His mother is listed as unknown on any reference we have. Any info on this SMITH line or the Ship HOPE.. would be appreciated. Cheers Laura Player Perth Western Australia

Hello List from Perth Australia. Is this the correct list to search for rellies in FLEETWOOD please. Cheers Laura

Hello List I wondered if anyone has access to the Parish Register (or copy) for the Church of DEANE near BOLTON. I have information about a marriage there on 22 June 1851 between JOHN ALSTON & ELEANOR(or ELLEN) DENT. It's on the IGI, but I would like their addresses at the time of marriage & if it's given, the Regiment that John Alston was in - if any. On the birth certificate of his daughter, born in 1852, his occupation is given as soldier. I would also be interested o hear from anyone else researching this family who came from Preston & Kendal respectively. Many thanks, Hilary