Thank you - Jim and Joan - for info Went on the website for the LRO and tried to email them. Did it on the weekend and also this Monday and they were returned. Has anyone tried contacting them lately via email. Thanks.

I am a very ordinary and new member of the Society of Australian Genealogists which I joined largely to acess their records for English and American family research and the bonus of Ancestry Plus access on their computers. I idly played with their CD which lists all convict shipping records but know that they have copies on fiche of shipping records, local censuses BMD registrations etc. Australian records are not my own interest but if you email your basic, and precisely phrased request to their HQ here in Sydney; info@sag.org.au you will be steered on from there, you may be lucky and get a 'look up' but bear in mind this is also the body which represents professional genealogists as well as amateur enthusiasts. Contact me again if brick walls are raised, Alan -----Original Message----- From: David Holgate [mailto:joanddav@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:17 PM To: ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Smiths Alan, Any leads on how to look up the passenger lists please? Joan ( from France ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan potter" <goodhopes@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Smiths > There is no record of contraception being enforced on visitors to > Australia > or children being banned from being carried on boats so it entirely > possible > the children were born in Australia and came back to England. Not all > people > came to Australia as convicts or free settlers, quite a few were for > specific tasks. The children's ages give a good bracket to search the > quite > extensive shipping records to and from Australia and if you think this is > a > family branch, you should be able to track down their Australian sojourn > with perseverance. > > Alan > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

There is no record of contraception being enforced on visitors to Australia or children being banned from being carried on boats so it entirely possible the children were born in Australia and came back to England. Not all people came to Australia as convicts or free settlers, quite a few were for specific tasks. The children's ages give a good bracket to search the quite extensive shipping records to and from Australia and if you think this is a family branch, you should be able to track down their Australian sojourn with perseverance. Alan

Thanks Alan, I'm not doing this immediately 'cos I'm not sure if I'm on the correct Smith family, but it is useful to know! Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan potter" <goodhopes@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: RE: Smiths >I am a very ordinary and new member of the Society of Australian > Genealogists which I joined largely to acess their records for English and > American family research and the bonus of Ancestry Plus access on their > computers. I idly played with their CD which lists all convict shipping > records but know that they have copies on fiche of shipping records, local > censuses BMD registrations etc. Australian records are not my own interest > but if you email your basic, and precisely phrased request to their HQ > here > in Sydney; > info@sag.org.au > you will be steered on from there, you may be lucky and get a 'look up' > but > bear in mind this is also the body which represents professional > genealogists as well as amateur enthusiasts. Contact me again if brick > walls > are raised, > > Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Holgate [mailto:joanddav@wanadoo.fr] > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:17 PM > To: ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Smiths > > < > > < >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Alan, Any leads on how to look up the passenger lists please? Joan ( from France ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan potter" <goodhopes@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Smiths > There is no record of contraception being enforced on visitors to > Australia > or children being banned from being carried on boats so it entirely > possible > the children were born in Australia and came back to England. Not all > people > came to Australia as convicts or free settlers, quite a few were for > specific tasks. The children's ages give a good bracket to search the > quite > extensive shipping records to and from Australia and if you think this is > a > family branch, you should be able to track down their Australian sojourn > with perseverance. > > Alan > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

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Hi Fran, Jim lancaster has replied with a lot of information for you already. All I can add is the Lancashire Records Office www.lancashire.gov.uk where you can email them if you like. Joan ( Prestonian from France ), also searching SMITHS 1800 - 1840 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Luby" <fluby@ameritech.net> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:18 PM Subject: Smith > I'm tracing the McCanna family and one of them married > a Mary 'Jane' Smith. > > John Joseph McCanna married Mary 'Jane' Smith in > Preston in 1820. > John Joseph McCanna, b. 1796 in Ireland > d. 1874 in Illinois, USA > Mary Jane Smith, b. 1800 in Preston, England > d. 1875 in Minnesota, USA > < > > >

Hi, Fran, You wrote > There are records to my knowledge but I'm not sure > where they are. I emailed the priest at St. Wilfred's > and asked if they had them or some other repository > had them but did not receive an answer. Roman catholic registers are private religious registers belonging to the parish for which they were created. As such they are managed by the Parish Priest at the time. The archivists for the three RC dioceses covering Lancashire recommend to parish priests that all the old Lancashire RC records are deposited in the Lancashire Record Office (LRO) in Preston for safe keeping. The only records that go elsewhere are those from the City of Liverpool parishes and these are deposited in the Liverpool record Office. However, the parish priest does not have to deposit his old registers in the LRO and the records of St. Wilfrid's and St. Mary's (one set) fall in this category. Most of the early records for the areas around Preston have been deposited in the LRO and much of them has been published in various forms. The records of St. Wilfrid's have been transcribed and a copy of the transcript (baptisms, marriages, and deaths/burials) has been deposited in the LRO and with the Catholic Family History Society in London. This means that it is possible to get the information you need - but that is not easy for you across the water. Perhaps there is someone on the list who would be able to check these transcripts. It is not too big a job because they are available in an index form. As for their marriage, have you looked at the IGI to see if the couple were also married in St. John's Church (the Parish Church - now Minster), Preston/ If they have it is possible that they were also married in St. Wilfrid's a day or so either side of that date. Hope this helps Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Luby" <fluby@ameritech.net> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: Smith

I'm tracing the McCanna family and one of them married a Mary 'Jane' Smith. John Joseph McCanna married Mary 'Jane' Smith in Preston in 1820. John Joseph McCanna, b. 1796 in Ireland d. 1874 in Illinois, USA Mary Jane Smith, b. 1800 in Preston, England d. 1875 in Minnesota, USA John joined the English Navy in Preston and that is how he met Mary Jane. They have four sons, Bernard, John, Thomas and Francis. All born in Preston. They left England about 1830 for the USA. I think they attended St. Wilfred Catholic Church, There are records to my knowledge but I'm not sure where they are. I emailed the priest at St. Wilfred's and asked if they had them or some other repository had them but did not receive an answer. That's all I know of the Smith's at this time. Hopefully, I will find their marriage someday. Fran

Hello, Is some kind person able to do a look up please? JOSEPH, OR JOSEPH BELLAS SMITH Christening 06 AUG 1837 Saint John, Preston, Lancashire Father Henry Smith Mother Mary ????? Thank you, Joan ( from France).

I'm interested in contacting two Preston families - sons of Edmund HOLT & Mary Ann , née Kershaw, from Clayton, Queensbury, Bradford. Arthur Ernest HOLT & Albert Edward HOLT were the brothers of Edith HOLT who married Thos Wm Smith in 1897 in Preston. Edmund HOLT died 1903 in Preston. Mary Ann died later - I don't have the date. Arthur Ernest married Catherine, born Ireland & had 2 known children, Arthur 1897 & Herbert 1899. Any contacts welcome! Joan ( from France).

Searching any information on Henry SMITH, born Preston, possibly 1802 - 1803, Cotton Spinner, father of Joseph SMITH, born Preston 1837 - 1838. Joseph SMITH married Hannah LEEMING in 1860 & I'm trying to find his birth & mother's name. I have found a Henry SMITH, Cotton Spinner, aged 58, in 1861, living at his brother's house, (John SMITH ) with wife Beth or Betsy, aged 44 , born Lytham. ................................ STRANGE thing is they have three children aged 7, 4 & 1, & the youngest two were born AUSTRALIA...................confirmed on 1871 census !!!! Did people come back from Australia with young children? Any suggestions? Is anyone else searching SMITHs in Preston? Joan, from France, Prestonian by Birth!

Is anyone in Preston searching SMITHS, 1800 to 1840, & before & beyond? I have made some ( slow) progress & am interested in the birth of JOSEPH , about 1838, & his father, HENRY SMITH, cotton spinner. Any contacts welcome. Joan, from France.

Hello Listers, Edward HIGGINSON and Jane EMMETT were married on Dec 13th 1828 at St John's PRESTON ( I believe ).). Is any kind person able to confirm this for me & find details of their addresses, occupations, and father's details? Any help appreciated. Joan Holgate from France

Sorry Christine and others who tried, the correct address for the Directories is; www.historicaldirectories.org/ Alan Potter

Hi Peter, if you didn't receive the info re Preston Directory, I just checked and its on the link. Didn't quite understand your Gillett query or the way you phrased it. The part letter I have is just signed E. Gillett, I have no other connection with them than that. The thought that it may be Eleanor was just from an idle plunge into Family Search IGI and Family Search 1881 Census. Have you tried a search on Free BMD (no charge)and the Records Office 1901 Census Online (you can do the search without paying but have to then pay for details). You will find your people on the 1861,1871, 1891, 1901 Censuses on line also with Ancestry.com if you are a subscriber or in in a group subscription, if not try the two week free access, you can get a lot of info in two weeks if you plan ahead what you need. You will have provided your credit card details to enter the free access so you have to be prompt in pulling out within that two weeks, unless of course you find a subscription will give you further help, or face the annual subscription. Also try 1837 Online, this is a pay for view access to the entire GRO BMD Indexes by image, plus Lancashire and a few other counties 1861 Census however this is only five pounds for a bundle of basic search credits. You can download quarter indexe images for one credit per page and sort them out later from your Word or other file. If you want connecting details, send for a duplicate BMD certificate, this can now be done on line for less than by mail or agent ie seven pounds per certificate but be sure you have the right person most of us researchers have a bundle of right name/wrong connection certificates, good luck, Alan Potter

Sorry Pauline Guzek, My email wouldn,t go through to you so I am giving you the imfo.this way. My research is for Susannah Greenwood born Bury 1831 parents were I think Barton Baldin and Mary Greenwood. She married George Anderton in Preston in 1862. Peter of Western Australia.

You can find a host of Historic Business Directories at a site run by the University of Leicester www.historicdirectories.org Take some time to study the guide tips to using the various searches as individual towns are often hidden in broad county titles for instance to find the Preston Directory for 1828-29 enter Lancashire then scroll through the drop down lists until you find Pigot & Co's Directory of 1828-29 Part 1 Cheshire to Northumberland. Preston starts on image (and page) 435 of 624 total. With patience you will find others including the 'General and Commercial Directory, Preston, 1917. Highly recommended! Alan Potter -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris [mailto:morrisind@rogers.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:14 PM To: alan potter Subject: Re: preston business directory Hi Alan , if you find the site, please let the list know. Thank you Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan potter" <goodhopes@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: RE: preston business directory > There is an 1830ish Preston Directory on line which I didn't bookmark but > will hunt for if no one else provides it quickly. > > I have a part letter, undated, from E. Gillet, but 1870s I'd guess, > regarding owed money and hard times. Refers to Mr G being out of work. I'd > thought they were probably Thomas and Eleanor Gillet (nee Swarbrick) who, in > the 1881 Census, were living at Grayton Street, Fishwick. > > Maybe co-incidentally and un connected, but in the 1891 Census, my grant > aunt Mary Elizabeth Potter worked as a housekeeper for John H. Gillet. 39, a > Handkerchief Printer, in Gravel Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter & Ivy Heptinstall [mailto:piheppy@netserv.net.au] > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:42 PM > To: ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: preston business directory > > > Can anyone tell me if there is a Business directory for Preston online for > the middle of the 1800s > Also posting my reseach interests---- > Andertons of Preston and Blackburn--Butlers of Preston-- Gillett of > Preston-- Greenwood of Preston--Calderwood Of Preston -- Ashworth of > Rochdale. > Thanks Peter of Western Australia > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.2/29 - Release Date: 6/27/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.2/29 - Release Date: 6/27/05

There is an 1830ish Preston Directory on line which I didn't bookmark but will hunt for if no one else provides it quickly. I have a part letter, undated, from E. Gillet, but 1870s I'd guess, regarding owed money and hard times. Refers to Mr G being out of work. I'd thought they were probably Thomas and Eleanor Gillet (nee Swarbrick) who, in the 1881 Census, were living at Grayton Street, Fishwick. Maybe co-incidentally and un connected, but in the 1891 Census, my grant aunt Mary Elizabeth Potter worked as a housekeeper for John H. Gillet. 39, a Handkerchief Printer, in Gravel Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire. -----Original Message----- From: Peter & Ivy Heptinstall [mailto:piheppy@netserv.net.au] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:42 PM To: ENG-LANCS-PRESTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: preston business directory Can anyone tell me if there is a Business directory for Preston online for the middle of the 1800s Also posting my reseach interests---- Andertons of Preston and Blackburn--Butlers of Preston-- Gillett of Preston-- Greenwood of Preston--Calderwood Of Preston -- Ashworth of Rochdale. Thanks Peter of Western Australia ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Can anyone tell me if there is a Business directory for Preston online for the middle of the 1800s Also posting my reseach interests---- Andertons of Preston and Blackburn--Butlers of Preston-- Gillett of Preston-- Greenwood of Preston--Calderwood Of Preston -- Ashworth of Rochdale. Thanks Peter of Western Australia