Dear List, I hear that "Finch" is a popular name in the Wigan area but I never read about the family and the directory entries seem to indicate little "Finch" activity. Can anyone give me an idea why a name that seems very much from Wigan is so hard to see on either the net or other entries? Father Stuart

Hi Ann, My branch of the Talbots left Ashton sometime in the 1830s and went to Wigan and my cousin's branch went to Lowton. Unfortuantely, there's no Harriet Talbot in either of these branches. I wouldn't be surprised though if the Talbots still in Ashton in the 1860s and later were related. If you know who Harriet's grandparents were, or when you find that information, I might then be able to tie your branch into our Talbots. Our tree goes back to the 1500s but I can't take any credit as my cousin found me and sent me the tree. Good luck in your search. Karen

Hi everyone, I'm new to this list but before I add any of my surnames...is it OK if they weren't from "right in " Wigan but around that area? I'm looking forward to hearing soon as I'm eager to add them to the list !!! Marianne in Pennsylvania ,USA

Hi Paul, I haven't found the link between my Highams and your branch but firmly believe one exists. And here's what I have on yours. I've kept the outline brief as I don't know what information you already have. James Higham & Alice Croft - marr. 1831 .....Ellen b 1832 .....John b 1840, marr. Alice Ascroft 1860 ........John, Margaret, Nancy, William, Richard 1874, Henry 1876 & James 1884 .....William b 1842, marr. Elizabeth ? ..........James 1869, marr. Rachel Parkinson 1888 .....James b 1844, marr. Ann ? ..........Richard 1868, Alice 1869, James 1874, John 1877, Alfred 1881 .....Thomas 1846 .....Richard 1848, marr. Jane ? ..........Mary Ellen 1868, William 1783 d 1895, Alice Ann 1877, Annie 1882, Richard 1883 & James Richard 1884 James & Ann's son, Alfred, marr. Catherine ? .....Ellen Ann, b 1896, marr. Ernest Gaskell .....Lillian b 1897 marr. Edward Higham 1919 ..........Alfred Thurston b 1923 & Ernest Derek b 1927 .....Florence May b 1898 marr. Bert Rigby 1821 Richard & Jane's son, James Richard marr. Annie Bramwell 1906 .....William Edward marr. Doris ? ..........Marie Ann, Eric William & Clifford .....Clifford Bramwell 1924 .....Richard b 1883 marr. Martha Ashall 1913 .....Leonard .....Eric .....Elsie I believe Margaret, daughter of John Higham & Alice Ascroft, married Walter Melling in 1899. If not related, my family definitely knew these Highams. My father, Thomas Pilkington, was born at 8 Tichborne Street, Wigan in 1910. This was a small street off Vaughan Street which was off Greenough Street. It wasn't on the 1892 map but when built bordered on the Old Sand Pits. Richard Thomas lived at 5 Tichborne Street, next door to my Pilkingtons in 1909. From the 1910 Land Valuation Tax records, James Higham, painter, of Greenough Street owned the house at 8 Tichborne Street and Richard Higham of 122 Warrington Road, Newton, owned the house at 5 Tichborne Street. This was John who married Alice Ascroft and his brother Richard. Where do you fit in? What are some of your other surname interests? Might give me a clue on if and how your Highams link to mine. If I have further details that you don't have and would like, I'll pass them on. Karen

Hi Lockzie I think the history shop in Wigan has a good index of All Saints. There are a lot online with the online parish clerk (Lancashire). www.lan-opc.org.uk/Wigan/Wigan/allsaints/index.html The Wigan World website have a search facility for Wigan Cemetery.It's in the 'Stuff' bit www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/php?opt=cemetery I am also interested in your TYRER line could you give me more information about them? I also have BERRY's from Skelmersdale and Westhead, Lancashire Best Regards Susan in Dubai> > Message: 7> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:00:51 +0100> From: "Lockzie2004" <lockzie2004@ntlworld.com>> Subject: [WIGAN] All Saints Church MI's / Plot Index> To: <eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <003901c79407$14c78350$3e5689f0$@com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Hello all> > I am interested in All Saints Church, New Market St> > I have quite a lot of people that I am looking for with connection to All> Saints> Can anyone tell me please if the graves are still standing at All Saints and> if there is a Plot Index or MI's transcription that I can buy? I am looking> from 1785 to 1860 for BMD's> > I am also after a Plot Index or MI's for Wigan Cemetery too> > > Many thanks> Lockzie> > > Family research:> PARK JOLLEY JACKSON EDWARDS TYRER CROMPTON BERRY MONK SUTTERBY

Hi Billie, I too doubt we link but you never know! Did you know that there is a SIMM/PILKINGTON link in Standish/Aspull? Not mine, as far as I know, but my HIGHAMS were of Aspull and I have a very long-standing brick wall on my PILKINGTONS. Here's a brief outline of my HIGHAMS: Robert Higham, b abt 1850 in Leyland marr. Margaret Leigh, St. David's, Aspull in 1871 Frances Alice marr. Benjamin Haydock 1890 John Thomas marr. Alice Ellen Haydock 1893 Edward marr. Margaret Alice Seddon 1897 Catherine Leigh marr. James Settle 1898 On the 1881 Census, they also had a son, Robert, age 2 mos. As Robert was age 6 in 1891, I suspect the first child died. Robert & Clara Higham had a son, Robert in 1905. Possibly Robert & Margaret's son? Edward & Margaret had the following children: John, Maud, Robert, Alfred, John, Edna & Margaret. Margaret was the daughter of John & Mary A. Seddon. Siblings were: Thomas, William, James & Selina who marr. Samuel Yates in 1899. I don't have much on my ASCROFTS/ASHCROFTS! Henry Ascroft & Ellen Davies were married in 1853. Neither named their father on the marriage certificate but in a later marriage, Ellen did name her father. So, my thoughts are that Henry was illegitimate and for this reason, she didn't name her father. Daughter, Ann, marr. David Stanley in 1873 (named spelled Ashcroft on marr. cert.) and daughter, Elizabeth marr. Thomas Moss in 1879. Ellen Ascroft of Pemberton had a son Henry in 1829. I think this is Ellen in 1851: George Atherton, 61, wheelwright, b Pemb., Ellen Atherton, 62, b Dalton, Henry Ascroft, son, 21, wheelwright, b Pemb & James Ascroft, 17, collier's drawer, b Pemb. As Ellen was born in Dalton, perhaps she was the daughter of Henry, baptised at Upholland in 1786. A Mary Ascroft of Aspull also had a son Henry in 1831. This is as far as I've gotten! If you come across a possible link to my lot, please let me know. Good luck with your search, Karen

Hello all I am interested in All Saints Church, New Market St I have quite a lot of people that I am looking for with connection to All Saints Can anyone tell me please if the graves are still standing at All Saints and if there is a Plot Index or MI's transcription that I can buy? I am looking from 1785 to 1860 for BMD's I am also after a Plot Index or MI's for Wigan Cemetery too Many thanks Lockzie Family research: PARK JOLLEY JACKSON EDWARDS TYRER CROMPTON BERRY MONK SUTTERBY

Hi Bill I have a Jane Hilton born around 1825 Upholland, she married Isaac Jones 1847 in Wigan. According to the marriage certificate she was the daughter of William Hilton a joiner. Melanie

To Lance mitchell Would your Shaws be any relative to Howarths or Cartwrights-. Lynda

Hello, I know of a family of Harrisons in Farnworth lancs---Would Farnworth be the place your looking for Lynda

Hi Karen: I am interested in your TALBOT family from Ashton-in-Makerfield. I have a Harriet TALBOT b. 1863 in Ashton-in-Makerfield who married a George Alfred SAVAGE (my gg uncle) abt. 1886. Would you have any Harriet's in your tree? Ann Ontario Canada >From: "Karen Fraser" <kmfraser@pacificcoast.net> >Reply-To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com >To: <eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WIGAN] Roll Call - PILKINGTON, STANLEY, YATES, ASCROFT, LEA, etc. >Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:54:00 -0700 > >Here are my Wigan ancestors: > >Gt, gt. grandparents: >William TALBOT, b 1820, Ashton-in-Makerfield & Ann PILKINGTON, b 1822, >Wigan, Marr. 1845 in Wigan >Gt, gt, gt grandparents: >William TALBOT, b 1793, Ashton-in-Makerfield & Ellen LATHAM, b abt 1794, >Ashton-in-Makerfield, Marr. 1818, Ashton-in-Makerfield _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail, with safety bar colour coding, helps identify suspicious mail before it takes your daughter out on a date. Upgrade today for a better look. www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA152

Hello Karen, I have some Higham family in the tree. Do you have any connection? James Higham ( Wigan c1811) married an Alice (nee? / born at Pemberton) and had the following children all of whom were born at Wigan: John c1840 William c1842 James c1844 Thomas c1846 Richard c 1848 Mary Ellen c1855 Best regards, Paul Toronto, Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Fraser" <kmfraser@pacificcoast.net> To: <eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com> Sent: May 11, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [WIGAN] Roll Call - PILKINGTON, STANLEY, YATES, ASCROFT, LEA, etc. > Here are my Wigan ancestors: > > Grandparents: > Elias PILKINGTON, b 1874, Wigan & Alice STANLEY, b 1874, Wigan, Marr. 1895 > > Great grandparents: > Thomas PILKINGTON, illeg., b 1843, Wigan & Elizabeth YATES, b abt. 1845, > Wigan, Marr. 1866 > David STANLEY, b 1853, Wigan & Ann ASHCROFT (ASCROFT), b 1853, Wigan, > Marr. > 1873 > > Gt, gt. grandparents: > William TALBOT, b 1820, Ashton-in-Makerfield & Ann PILKINGTON, b 1822, > Wigan, Marr. 1845 in Wigan > Thomas YATES > William STANLEY, b abt. 1820, Cork, Ireland & Ellen MERCER, b 1819, > Ince-in-Makerfield, Marr. 1839 in Wigan > Henry ASCROFT, b abt 1827 & Ellen DAVIES, b 1829, Pemberton, Marr. 1853 in > Wigan > > Gt, gt, gt grandparents: > Robert PILKINGTON, b abt 1800 & Mary LEA, b abt 1798, St. Helens, Marr. > 1821 > in Wigan > William TALBOT, b 1793, Ashton-in-Makerfield & Ellen LATHAM, b abt 1794, > Ashton-in-Makerfield, Marr. 1818, Ashton-in-Makerfield > Francis STANLEY, b Ireland, d 1842 in Wigan & Amelia ?, b Ireland (died > after 1841 in Wigan) > William MERCER, b 1794, Ince-in-Makerfield & Margaret PRINCE, b abt 1792, > Marr. 1814 in Wigan > Robert DAVIES, b abt 1806 & Betty ATHERTON, b abt 1810, Marr. 1828 in > Standish > > Possible 4X gt grandparents: > William PILKINGTON, b 1779, Manchester & Ellen NAYLOR, b 1778, Wigan, > Marr. > 1799 in Wigan > > Possible 5X gt grandparents: > Robert PILKINGTON, b abt 1755 & Mary CROMPTON, b 1757, Manchester, Marr. > 1776 in Prestwich > Ralph NAYLOR, b 1742, Wigan & Mary HOUGHTON, b 1740, Wigan, Marr. 1764 > > Some other surname interests: GOUGH, HIGHAM, NORMINGTON, ARMSTRONG, > GERRITY, > BIRCHALL, RATCLIFFE, THOMAS, OAKES, EATOCK, TAYLOR, BELSHAW > > Karen Fraser > Vancouver Island, Canada > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > ~~~ Check your e-mail settings. List mail must be in PLAIN TEXT. ~~~ > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Karen; You mentioned two names that are in my family tree, None of the other names are familiar so I doubt we are connected. My names are connected to the SIMM family. Elizabeth HIGHAM married George SIM/SIMM in 1844. Her parents were John & Mary [BALDWIN] HIGHAM. Her siblings were Mary, Samuel, Twins Thomas & Margaret & Henry. They originally came from Upholland.George's sister Mary SIM/SIMM married Samuel ASCROFT in 1849. They lived on Clayton street in Wigan. Billie ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097

Here are my Wigan ancestors: Grandparents: Elias PILKINGTON, b 1874, Wigan & Alice STANLEY, b 1874, Wigan, Marr. 1895 Great grandparents: Thomas PILKINGTON, illeg., b 1843, Wigan & Elizabeth YATES, b abt. 1845, Wigan, Marr. 1866 David STANLEY, b 1853, Wigan & Ann ASHCROFT (ASCROFT), b 1853, Wigan, Marr. 1873 Gt, gt. grandparents: William TALBOT, b 1820, Ashton-in-Makerfield & Ann PILKINGTON, b 1822, Wigan, Marr. 1845 in Wigan Thomas YATES William STANLEY, b abt. 1820, Cork, Ireland & Ellen MERCER, b 1819, Ince-in-Makerfield, Marr. 1839 in Wigan Henry ASCROFT, b abt 1827 & Ellen DAVIES, b 1829, Pemberton, Marr. 1853 in Wigan Gt, gt, gt grandparents: Robert PILKINGTON, b abt 1800 & Mary LEA, b abt 1798, St. Helens, Marr. 1821 in Wigan William TALBOT, b 1793, Ashton-in-Makerfield & Ellen LATHAM, b abt 1794, Ashton-in-Makerfield, Marr. 1818, Ashton-in-Makerfield Francis STANLEY, b Ireland, d 1842 in Wigan & Amelia ?, b Ireland (died after 1841 in Wigan) William MERCER, b 1794, Ince-in-Makerfield & Margaret PRINCE, b abt 1792, Marr. 1814 in Wigan Robert DAVIES, b abt 1806 & Betty ATHERTON, b abt 1810, Marr. 1828 in Standish Possible 4X gt grandparents: William PILKINGTON, b 1779, Manchester & Ellen NAYLOR, b 1778, Wigan, Marr. 1799 in Wigan Possible 5X gt grandparents: Robert PILKINGTON, b abt 1755 & Mary CROMPTON, b 1757, Manchester, Marr. 1776 in Prestwich Ralph NAYLOR, b 1742, Wigan & Mary HOUGHTON, b 1740, Wigan, Marr. 1764 Some other surname interests: GOUGH, HIGHAM, NORMINGTON, ARMSTRONG, GERRITY, BIRCHALL, RATCLIFFE, THOMAS, OAKES, EATOCK, TAYLOR, BELSHAW Karen Fraser Vancouver Island, Canada

Hi Joyce We have DANIELS in our tree, quite a few but they are from St. Helens. If any of yours migrate over there please let me know Best Regards Susan in Dubai

Hi Paul My LAWRENSON's are from Whiston, it is Jane LAWRENSON b 1786,Whiston. She married Joseph MOLYNEUX 14 Oct 1804, St Helens Chapel, and died 23 Jul 1866 Lanes End, Whiston. They were the publican's of Horseshoe Inn in Whiston, which in March when I was in UK found is still there!! Lately we have been chasing the MOLYNEUX line, as being here in Dubai I can't get access to the other records pre 1837 to look for Jane's parents. Do you think there is a link? Would love to find out more about her. Best Regards Susan Davies in 42C Dubai

Hi Everybody A big big sorry to everyone who have asked me questions from the roll call I posted. We have been on holiday, I came back to 180+ e-mails (which I'm still trawling through) and then husband travelling with job and all (children twice) been really ill with cough's and colds. Getting back into everything and will get to everyone's replies soon, I promise :o) Best Regards Susan Davies in Dubai 42C and rising

Hello Joyce, I have some Moss family from Wigan. Please see if you have any connection. James Moss born at Wigan c1819 married an Ellen ( maiden name unknown). They had 5 children all born at Wigan. They are as follows: Mary c1848 Ann c1850 Margaret c1858 Ellen c1860 James Thomas c1869 Best regards, Paul...just down the road from you...in Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jlintner@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com> Sent: May 10, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [WIGAN] Eng-Lan-Wigan Roll Call > Please add my names to the Roll Call > > Wigan/Ormskirk - Webster, Winrow > Wigan/Pemberton - Cheetham, Walsh, Bouckley, Moss, Mason, Taylor, Daniels, > Gibson > Leigh - Shovelton > > Joyce > Canada > > > > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > > >~~~ Check your e-mail settings. List mail must be in PLAIN TEXT. ~~~ > > > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > ~~~ Check your e-mail settings. List mail must be in PLAIN TEXT. ~~~ > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My great-grandfather was Thomas WILLIAMS, B. 1832, St. Helens, d. 29 Jul 1899, Wigan. Married Ann MARSH, b. 1834, Wigan, d. 5 Mar 1909, Wigan, 26 Jan 1853 in Wigan. both are buried at St. David's Church, Haight. Their children were: William, b. Sep 1853, Wigan, d. after 1901 - married Sep 1874, Jane COULTON Sarah, b. about 1856 in Wigan, married Sept 1877, John PILKINGTON Ann , b. about 1859, married Mar 1882, William BIRD Thomas , b. about 1861 , married Jun 1883, Elizabeth VALENTINE Emma , b. about 1865, Aspull Elizabeth, b. 1866, d. 2 Oct 1916, married Mar 1886, James BARON Ruth, b. about 1870, d. 06 Mar 1872 Mark, b. about 1872, d. 18 Feb 1841, married Mary SWARBRICK Lucy, b. 14 Feb 1875, d. 09 Dec 1961, married 2 Mar 1895, William WYATT Ruth, b. about 1878 Any information about this family and their descendents will be greatly appreciated. Diantha Sarver

Hi Judith, The Daniels that I am interested in was Elizabeth Daniels b 1892 in Standish who married Edward Cheetham in 1915 at the Parish Church in Standish. I also have a picture of her younger sister Polly who was a school friend of my mother. Lizzie was my aunt. She died in 1959. I have a very large file on the Cheethams in Wigan that dates back to about 1716. It was the work of several persons who let me put their individual trees together a couple of years ago. It took several months of working one or two hours a day on it. The lines all came together in the late 1700's. Joyce >From: JuRothwell@aol.com >Reply-To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com >To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WIGAN] DANIELS >Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:46:58 EDT > >Hi Joyce, >I have a JAMES DANIELS married to JANE SUTHERS c.1858. Jane died in >1881from a bite from a rabid dog. They had several children, one of whom >was my >grandmother SARAH ANN DANIELS who married CONSTANTINE DIAMOND. >If you, or anyone else, sees any connection I'd love to hear from you. >Regards >Judith >Cambs. > > > > > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > >~~~ Check your e-mail settings. List mail must be in PLAIN TEXT. ~~~ > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message