I have an ancestor Elizabeth Sharples (DOB c. 23.3.1818) and her illegitimate son, James Sharples (DOB 2.3.1841), who, in the 1851 Census, were in the Wigan Workhouse. I cannot find them in the 1861 Census, but James reappears in the 1871 Census. Does anybody have any experience in tracing their ancestors while they were in the Wigan Workhouse e.g. their arrival and departure dates etc? I would also be delighted to hear of any suggestions to help me trace them between 1851 and 1871. Norman Sharples.

Hi Sue Thank you for your 2nd e-mail. I have tried all my Baldwins, but sadly, none match up to the ones you have. If any more information comes to light, please let me know and I will be pleased to check again. With best wishes Norman Sharples. -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gene ology Sent: 14 October 2007 09:54 To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIGAN] FW: Message to mailing list ENG-LAN-WIGAN Hello Norman Thanks for replying only know Jane had a daughter Martha christened 21 Feb 1829 Adlington Jane's surname was given as Balding but on her marriage cert was BALDWIN also on my great grandfathers Thomas FINCH birth cert.May 1845 mother given as Jane BALDWIN I have just found on the IGI a Christening 30 AUG 1812 Upholland, Lancashire, England father George I am wondering if this is my Jane . I have another BALDWIN John 1875 Wigan father given as John he married Elizabeth HIGHAM 1901 hope this helps Sue Norman Sharples <normansharples@jasminecottage.co.uk> wrote: Hi Sue Do you have any more details please? E.g. Her DOB, location, parents, etc? Best wishes Norman -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gene ology Sent: 12 October 2007 12:52 To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIGAN] FW: Message to mailing list ENG-LAN-WIGAN Hello Normam I have A Jane BALDWIN who married JOHN FINCH in Wigan oct 1831 Sue Norman Sharples wrote: Hello Everyone! I would like to state my interests in the following Wigan families. Any information would be most welcome SHARPLES CARLIN BALDWIN With best wishes Norman Sharples. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sorry- I think I was looking at the wrong family re living in Staffordshire. Am I right in thinking this is your lot 1841. All I can suggest is James was with one of the sisters who had married and was entered on the married name? Maybe Elizabeth married? Have you looked at this- maybe worth a try although no small task, sorry if im teaching you how to suck eggs:) carol 1841 Alice Shacklesabt 1836 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire View Record Catharine Shacklesabt 1826 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Shacklesabt 1821 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire View Record James Shacklesabt 1841 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire View Record Mary Shacklesabt 1796 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire View Record Mary Shacklesabt 1832 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire

Hi Is your James in Staffordshire 1871? If so could this maybe be him 1861 ??? NameAge John Bafter22 Elizabeth A Sharples5 Ellen B Sharples28 James Sharples24 Lousia Sharples7 Peter Sharples3 William Sharples1 Zephaniah Sharples29 Brieryhurst Ecclesiastical parish: Mowcop St Thomas County/Island: Staffordshire By the way i too am very interested to learn about workhouse records in Wigan- potentially one of mine is there 1841 and vanishes without trace. Carol- if you need the census let me know

Hello Norman Thanks for replying only know Jane had a daughter Martha christened 21 Feb 1829 Adlington Jane's surname was given as Balding but on her marriage cert was BALDWIN also on my great grandfathers Thomas FINCH birth cert.May 1845 mother given as Jane BALDWIN I have just found on the IGI a Christening 30 AUG 1812 Upholland, Lancashire, England father George I am wondering if this is my Jane . I have another BALDWIN John 1875 Wigan father given as John he married Elizabeth HIGHAM 1901 hope this helps Sue Norman Sharples <normansharples@jasminecottage.co.uk> wrote: Hi Sue Do you have any more details please? E.g. Her DOB, location, parents, etc? Best wishes Norman -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gene ology Sent: 12 October 2007 12:52 To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIGAN] FW: Message to mailing list ENG-LAN-WIGAN Hello Normam I have A Jane BALDWIN who married JOHN FINCH in Wigan oct 1831 Sue Norman Sharples wrote: Hello Everyone! I would like to state my interests in the following Wigan families. Any information would be most welcome SHARPLES CARLIN BALDWIN With best wishes Norman Sharples. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

Hi Sue Do you have any more details please? E.g. Her DOB, location, parents, etc? Best wishes Norman -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gene ology Sent: 12 October 2007 12:52 To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIGAN] FW: Message to mailing list ENG-LAN-WIGAN Hello Normam I have A Jane BALDWIN who married JOHN FINCH in Wigan oct 1831 Sue Norman Sharples <normansharples@jasminecottage.co.uk> wrote: Hello Everyone! I would like to state my interests in the following Wigan families. Any information would be most welcome SHARPLES CARLIN BALDWIN With best wishes Norman Sharples. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The first national memorial dedicated to members of the armed forces killed on duty since World War Two was officially unveiled by the Queen today. (See http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKL1264245020071012) Searches of the Roll of Honour, which provides information up to 31 December 2006, can be performed at http://www.forcesmemorial.org.uk/roll-of-honour.asp Lynne

Hello Normam I have A Jane BALDWIN who married JOHN FINCH in Wigan oct 1831 Sue Norman Sharples <normansharples@jasminecottage.co.uk> wrote: Hello Everyone! I would like to state my interests in the following Wigan families. Any information would be most welcome SHARPLES CARLIN BALDWIN With best wishes Norman Sharples. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

Some events in and around Lancashire which you might find of interest. ===== OCTOBER ===== 12 October 7:30 pm - LIVERPOOL & SW LANCS FHS, Southport Family History Group, "Victorian Press - what the papers said," Birkdale Library, Liverpool Road, Birkdale, Southport. http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/SthportGrp/Southport.htm 14 October 12:30 to 6 pm - THE RIMMER FHS - Annual Reunion (including AGM) at The Fleetwood Hesketh Sports & Social Club, Fylde Road, Marshside, Southport. Preceded by a Historical Walk around Churchtown at 10.45am from the gates of Botanic Gardens, Churchtown. Open to non-members. Contact Gladys Rimmer Armstrong on (01704) 214120 or e-mail gladys.Armstrong@virgin.net 14 October 8 pm - JEWISH HISTORICAL SOCIETY, Manchester Branch, "The View from Nebo - Jewish North Wales", Manchester Jewish Museum, 190 Cheetham Hill Road, Manchester M8 8LW. http://www.jhse.org/html/new_season.html 16 October 7:30 pm - LIVERPOOL & SW LANCS FHS, Leigh & District FHS, "Liverpool's American collections," Derby Room at Leigh Library, Turnpike Centre, Civic Square, Market Street, Leigh WN7 1EB. http://tinyurl.com/ypsjz6 20 October LIVERPOOL AND SW LANCS FHS 19th Annual One Day Conference, hosted by the Widnes Group, Ditton Community Centre, Dundalk Road, Widnes. http://www.nwgfhs.org.uk/mainframe.htm 23 October 7:30 pm - LIVERPOOL & SW LANCS FHS, Skelmersdale & UpHolland FHS, "PowerPoint for Family Historians," Hall Green Community Centre, UpHolland. http://tinyurl.com/3alvww 24 October 10:30 am - MANCHESTER & LANCASHIRE FHS, Naval Records, Clayton House, 59 Piccadilly, Manchester M1 2AQ. http://mlfhs.org.uk/Meetings.htm 27 October 9 am - CHESHIRE LOCAL HISTORY ASSOCIATION, History Day at the Memorial Hall, Chesterway, Northwich. 'Cheshire Invaded ? From Roman Occupation to Norman Conquest' Various speakers. http://www.cheshirehistory.org.uk/Events/Calendar.htm 27 October INSTITUTE OF LOCAL AND FAMILY HISTORY Conference: Agricultural Labour and agrarian society (organised in collaboration with Local Population Studies Society), University of Central Lancashire, Preston, Lancashire PR1 2HE. www.localandfamilyhistory.com ===== NOVEMBER ===== 17 November 10 am to 3:30 pm - LANCASHIRE FAMILY HISTORY & HERALDRY SOCIETY, Pendle & Burnley Family History Open Day, Burnley Library, Grimshaw Street, Burnley BB11 2BD. http://www.lfhhs-pendleandburnley.org.uk/ 17 November 9:30 am to 4:30 pm - INSTITUTE OF LOCAL AND FAMILY HISTORY and HISTORIC SOCIETY OF LANCASHIRE AND CHESHIRE, "Making Sense of the Census and Other Matters." Various aspects of familiar nineteenth century sources will be explored. University of Central Lancashire, Preston Lancashire PR1 2HE. www.localandfamilyhistory.com 27 November SKELMERSDALE HERITAGE SOCIETY, "Lancashire Night," Wardens Club, , Blaguegate Lane, Old Skelmersdale, Lancashire. http://www.skemheritage.org.uk/events.htm

Hi Do you have any further information, e.g. dates of birth, location etc? Norman. -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of billie kurtz Sent: 10 October 2007 15:52 To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIGAN] FW: Message to mailing list ENG-LAN-WIGAN I also have a BALDWIN I'm trying to get information on, She is Mary Baldwin & she married John Higham sometime around 1825, They had a daughter Elizabeth who is my gggrandmother. Would there be any connection, --- Norman Sharples <normansharples@jasminecottage.co.uk> wrote: > > Hello Everyone! > > I would like to state my interests in the following > Wigan families. > > Any information would be most welcome > > SHARPLES > > CARLIN > > BALDWIN > > With best wishes > > > Norman Sharples. > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under > copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering > lookups during the summer doldrums. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re points man/police man, both names are right for the time, crossing gate keepers where also called police men. regards frank On 8 Oct 2007, at 19:01, Carolgriff@aol.com wrote: > Hi > might be worth looking at this entry 1871- looks like Wilkinson on > the > census and hes in the police force. > > carol > > Name:John Williamson > Age:24 > Estimated Birth Year:abt 1847 > Relation:Boarder > Gender:Male > Where born:Tarporley, Cheshire, England > > Civil Parish:Liverpool > Ecclesiastical parish:St John > Town:Liverpool > County/Island:Lancashire > Country:England > > > Registration district:Liverpool > Sub-registration district:Dale Street > > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or > licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer > doldrums. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Researching surname BILLINGE from Pemberton, late 1700's. Any links anyone? Felicity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Davies" <daviessb@hotmail.com> To: <eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [WIGAN] Vine Street, Wigan > Hi Carol > > Thanks for the information. > It's definatley one for the maybe pile. > It does look like Wilkinson. I would have read it that way. > How many Policemen lived in !!! All single. > Just wondering why he would list himself as a Pointsman on Railway 1 year > later? Then 9yrs later he is a Police Constable. >>From what I've read Tarporley isn't a big place but I can't find his >>father there either. His father isn't listed as deceased on the marriage >>cert. but I've come to not rely on that information that much. > > Best Regards > Susan >> From: Carolgriff@aol.com> Hi> might be worth looking at this entry 1871- >> looks like Wilkinson on the > census and hes in the police force.> carol> >> Name:John Williamson> Age:24 > Estimated Birth Year:abt 1847 > >> Relation:Boarder > Gender:Male> Where born:Tarporley, Cheshire, England> >> > Civil Parish:Liverpool > Ecclesiastical parish:St John > Town:Liverpool >> > County/Island:Lancashire > Country:England > > > Registration >> district:Liverpool> Sub-registration district:Dale Street > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing > agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I also have a BALDWIN I'm trying to get information on, She is Mary Baldwin & she married John Higham sometime around 1825, They had a daughter Elizabeth who is my gggrandmother. Would there be any connection, --- Norman Sharples <normansharples@jasminecottage.co.uk> wrote: > > Hello Everyone! > > I would like to state my interests in the following > Wigan families. > > Any information would be most welcome > > SHARPLES > > CARLIN > > BALDWIN > > With best wishes > > > Norman Sharples. > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under > copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering > lookups during the summer doldrums. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting

Hi Paul Gaskell, A bit of a tangent, but are you in any way linked to Martha Ellen Gaskell born c.1882 in Ince, Wigan, Lancashire? Best wishes, Norman Sharples. -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PaulGask@aol.com Sent: 07 October 2007 09:47 To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com; ENG-LAN-WIGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIGAN] CUMBERWORTH Genealogy In a message dated 29/09/2007 16:38:24 GMT Standard Time, gidgen@bearlake-net.com writes: Hi Listers, The Thomas CUMBERWORTH in question was born and baptised on 27 Nov 1807 at St Pauls Independent Chapel at Standish Gate. Son of Joseph CUMBERWORTH and Ann. What can I be told about St Pauls Independent Chapel? Is it still standing and are there pictures around of it? Are there directories back that far that might tell me what Joseph did and give me an idea of when they came to the area? Could someone check now that we have a name of a place? Any information on this family would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Norm Hi Norm That former chapel stands on the corner of Standishgate and Dicconson Terrace, just opposite the Royal Oak pub. It ceased to be a chapel maybe about 1972. Since then, it has been used as Council offices, and also as a restaurant. The substantial stone building was still standing when I was last in Wigan at Christmas, and I'm sure will remain intact for many years to come. I do have some transcriptions for St Pauls - but I can't lay my hands on them. I can't even remember if they are transcriptions of the registers, or transcriptions of the MIs. If you don't make any further progress in the next few weeks, please post again - they will turn up ! Best wishes. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer and Minutes Secretary Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : _www.ofhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk) ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To contact the ENG-LAN-WIGAN list administrator, please send an email to eng-lan-wigan-admin@rootsweb.com. Sincerely ENG-LAN-WIGAN list administrator eng-lan-wigan-admin@rootsweb.com

Hello Everyone! I would like to state my interests in the following Wigan families. Any information would be most welcome SHARPLES CARLIN BALDWIN With best wishes Norman Sharples.

Hi Carol Thanks for the information. It's definatley one for the maybe pile. It does look like Wilkinson. I would have read it that way. How many Policemen lived in !!! All single. Just wondering why he would list himself as a Pointsman on Railway 1 year later? Then 9yrs later he is a Police Constable. >From what I've read Tarporley isn't a big place but I can't find his father there either. His father isn't listed as deceased on the marriage cert. but I've come to not rely on that information that much. Best Regards Susan > From: Carolgriff@aol.com> Hi> might be worth looking at this entry 1871- looks like Wilkinson on the > census and hes in the police force.> carol> Name:John Williamson> Age:24 > Estimated Birth Year:abt 1847 > Relation:Boarder > Gender:Male> Where born:Tarporley, Cheshire, England> > Civil Parish:Liverpool > Ecclesiastical parish:St John > Town:Liverpool > County/Island:Lancashire > Country:England > > > Registration district:Liverpool> Sub-registration district:Dale Street

I am looking for John WILKINSON, born 1851 in Tarporley, Cheshire. He married Margaret WOOD(S) in 1872 in Wigan. He lists his address on the marriage cert. as Vine Street Wigan. He is listed as a Pointsman on Railway. On later census records he is a Police Constable, and always is born in Tarporley. I have started trawling though the 1871 census to try to find Vine Street and see if his family are there. His father is listed also as John and is a Stonemason. I've traced the WOOD(S) family all the way back to 1841 still in Wigan. Margaret's father was also a stonemason. Best Regards Susan in Dubai

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Hi Jane, Probably no connection but I do have OAKES in my tree. Thomas & Ann OAKES of Hindley had a son, Joseph, born about 1845 who married Mary STANLEY in 1867. They had an illegitimate daughter, Ann, born 1864 who married Peter THOMAS in 1883; a sons, Thomas, born 1868 and William, born 1869. William married Jane Ellen HARRISON in 1893. William & Jane lived at 38 Platt Lane in 1901 with son, Joseph, age 7; daughter, Ellen, age 5; son, Edward, age 2 and cousin, Mary HARRISON, age 32. I've been told William & Jane had 4 further children, Catherine, Elizabeth, William & John. Quite some time ago I received information that Joseph, the black sheep of the family, disappeared for some time and had two children with Emma Thomas; daughter, Josephine OAKES in Stafford and son, Frederick Charles OAKES in Middlesex. A family friend, John HILTON & wife, Elizabeth adopted Frederick after his mother died and Josephine lived with her grandparents. I have further details on the above but nothing re the parents or siblings of Thomas OAKES of Hindley. Perhaps he had a brother, Edward??? Karen Fraser Nanaimo, BC, Canada

Is anyone researching an Edward Oakes christened Mar. 15 1828 in Wigan or any other members of the Oakes family? If so I would like to share family data. Thanks. Jane Magill