Has any one come across this term for a seam of coal. Ravin to about 100 feet household coal Half Yard Yard to about 200 feet industrial coal Threnchbone Bone to about 600 feet heavy ind. steam coal Anything on the Blackrod Brow mine (early 1930's). Closed due to flooding. Wigan Council not allowing drainage? Derek Crompton London South-East

Additions to LancashireBMD <http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk>: 11 October 2007: BIRTHS 3,030 for Bury RD: Birtle (1853-1859); Holcombe (1852-1857); Pilkington (1849-1851) 7,540 for Preston RD: St Peters (1891-1895); Walton-le-Dale, Preston (1901-1909) MARRIAGES 3,373 for Blackburn RD: Darwen, Central United Reformed Church (Duckworth St) (1967-1988); Blackburn, Trinity United Reformed Church (Brownhill Rd) (1940-1984); Blackburn, Baptist Chapel (Leamington Rd) (1960-1982); Darwen, Congregational Church (Hollins Grove) (1945-1979); Blackburn, Ragged School (Bent St) (1965-1976); Blackburn, United Reformed Church (Audley Range) (1963-1976); Darwen, New Methodist Church (Blackburn Rd, formerly Railway Rd) (1963-1980); Blackburn, Church of the Sacred Heart (Preston New Rd) (1988-1991); Blackburn, Methodist Church (Clayton St) (1966-1966); Blackburn, St John (1911-1929); Blackburn, All Saints (1912-1933); Blackburn, St Aidan (1930-1936); Blackburn, St James (1912-1974) 13 October 2007: BIRTHS 7,521 for Preston RD: St Peters (1895-1899); Walton-le-Dale (1909-1912); 14,967 for Manchester RD: Ardwick (1898-1902) 21 October 2007: MARRIAGES 349 for St Helens RD: Sutton, All Saints (1959-1994) 27 October 2007: BIRTHS 15,024 for St. Helens RD: St. Helens (1921-1926) 29 October 2007: BIRTHS 9,952 for Hyndburn RD: Great Harwood (1899-1913) MARRIAGES 4,262 for Lancaster RD: Morecambe, Emmanuel Church (1899-1902); Morecambe, Methodist Central (1899-1909); Lancaster, Stonewell, Centenary Congregational (1909-1964); Lancaster, Methodist, Sulyard Street (1917-1920); Lancaster, Methodist, Moor Lane (1926-1928); Lancaster, Trinity Church, High Street (1927-1931); Morecambe, Methodist Church, Parliament Street (1927-1952); Skerton, Wesley Church (Methodist) (1931-1935); Skerton, Methodist Church (1950-1955); Lancaster, Friends Meeting House (1919-1960); Bolton-le-Sands, United Reformed Church (1949-1966); Lancaster, St Anne (1920-1958); Lancaster, St John the Evangelist (1937-1959); Lancaster, St Mary (1985-1998); Morecambe, Holy Trinity (1901-1915); Carnforth, Christ Church (1906-1943); Silverdale, St John (1937-1954); Slyne with Hest, St Luke (1929-1961); Torrisholme, Church of Ascension (1943-1957); Sandylands, St John (1911-1951); Preesall, St Oswald (1923-1956); Stalmine, St James (1904-1950) DEATHS 24,406 for Burnley RD: Burnley (1890-1897); Burnley East (1897-1901); Burnley West (1897-1901) 13 November 2007: BIRTHS 5,104 for Lancaster RD: Heaton (1837-1880); 5,499 for West Lancashire (Ormskirk) RD: Ormskirk (1941-1950); 19,452 for St Helens RD: St Helens (1926-1933). 14 November 2007: MARRIAGES 9,705 for Blackburn RD: Blackburn, Methodist Church (New Row) (1969-1999); Darwen, Highfield Congregational Church (Edmund St) (1967-1989); Darwen, Baptist Meeting House (Bolton Rd) (1940-1994); Blackburn, St Albans Catholic Church (1936-1980); Blackburn, The Good Shepherd Church (Earl St) (1981-1999); Blackburn, St John Vianney's Church (Livesey Branch Rd) (1982-1984); Edgworth, St Aldherns Church (Thommason Fold) (1987-1990); Darwen, Kingdom Hall (Astley St) (1987-2004); Pleasington, Pleasington Priory (1989-1990); Blackburn, St Andrews Mission Church (1952-1957); Blackburn, Trinity Methodist Church (Preston New Rd) (1964-1964); Darwen, Lynwood Chapel (Hollins Rd) (1957-1967); Blackburn, St Joseph's Church (Audley Range) (1992-1997); Blackburn, St Jude (1919-1926); Blackburn, St Michael with St John & Holy Trinity (1919-1940); Blackburn, St Matthew (1920-1935); Witton, St Philip (1913-1937); Blackburn, St Silas (1906-1931); Blackburn, St Thomas (1916-1925); Blackburn, Church of the Saviour (1923-1939); Darwen, St Barnabas (1927-1946); Darwen, St Cuthbert (1927-1947); Blackburn, St Bartholomew (1918-1938); Darwen, St James (1914-1948); Blackburn, Christ Church (with St Matthew) (1901-1975); Blackburn, St Gabriel (1933-1936); Blackburn, Hebrew Congregational (1896-1946); Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended (1923-1925) 18 November 2007: BIRTHS 23,038 for Preston RD: Broughton (1837-1900); St Peters (1899-1903); 6,037 for Hyndburn RD: Great Harwood (1913-1925) MARRIAGES 604 for Lancaster RD: Lancaster, Methodist, Sulyard Street (1920-1930); Lancaster, St Mary (1941-1949) DEATHS 18,087 for Bolton RD: Great Bolton & Lever (1908-1911); Horwich (1900-1905); Little Bolton (1894-1903); South West Bolton (1929-1941) Many thanks to all who contribute to this endeavour! Note: YorkshireBMD and CheshireBMD have been updated as well. If there's a chance your ancestors wandered across borders or that their BMDs were registered in different counties, be sure to try UKBMD's Multi-Region Search <http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php?form_action=local> Happy hunting! Lynne

In case you don't receive RootsWeb Review, in today's issue it was announced that as of tomorrow, 15 November, RootsWeb's Help pages will be changed: Updates to the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) will appear, the Help page will have a "slightly new look and feel," and registration will be required to e-mail RootsWeb Support. You can read the entire article, "Using RootsWeb: SOS: A New Help Page at RootsWeb," at <http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/review/2007/1114.txt>. If you have any questions, you'll have to ask the Help Desk, since list administrators were not given any information about these changes. Best wishes, Lynne

Hi there Im just wondering if you are connected to me re Elizabeth McMillan 1861 census - parents John and Mary. Im thinking these could infact be my John McMullen and his wife Mary and daughter Elizabeth. 1871 census on ancestry has them as Mullen- future census returns continue to be different NameAge Elizabeth Mullen11 John W Mullen39 Mary Mullen38 Thomas Mullen8 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3884; Folio: 116; Page: 28; GSU roll: 842036. Im going from memory- Elizabeth marries a Finch? Anyway John is the brother of my William McMullen- their dad was Henry.I havent found Henry on any census and assume he died pre 1841- or more likely pre 1837. I havent found John on 1841 census come to that- William is there saying born Ireland- Im guessing the family came from Ireland around 1820 due to parish entries of sibling kids in Wigan from circa 1822. Any connection? Carol

Hi Peter On previous folio :- John McMillin 30 coal miner born Wigan Mary 29 labourer in colliery born wigan Regards,William in Adelaide South Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <PeterGen@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-WIGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:07 AM Subject: [WIGAN] Elizabeth Mcmillin > Hello List, > Would it be possible please for SKS to kindly look up page RG9/2772/~F30 > on > the Wigan 1861 census to see whether this Elizabeth's parents are included > at > the bottom of the page. Elizabeth aged 1 appears at the top of page 31 > but I > am after her parents names and origin. > Many thanks in anticipation of help. > Peter Beckett > (PeterGen@aol.com) > > > > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing > agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Peter, Elizabeth's parents:- John aged 30, born Wigan Mary W. 29, born Wigan The census record shows Mary M. but it looks like Mary W.?? Regards, Eric -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PeterGen@aol.com Sent: 06 November 2007 15:37 To: ENG-LAN-WIGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [WIGAN] Elizabeth Mcmillin Hello List, Would it be possible please for SKS to kindly look up page RG9/2772/~F30 on the Wigan 1861 census to see whether this Elizabeth's parents are included at the bottom of the page. Elizabeth aged 1 appears at the top of page 31 but I am after her parents names and origin. Many thanks in anticipation of help. Peter Beckett (PeterGen@aol.com) ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 05/11/2007 19:11 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 05/11/2007 19:11

Hello List, Would it be possible please for SKS to kindly look up page RG9/2772/~F30 on the Wigan 1861 census to see whether this Elizabeth's parents are included at the bottom of the page. Elizabeth aged 1 appears at the top of page 31 but I am after her parents names and origin. Many thanks in anticipation of help. Peter Beckett (PeterGen@aol.com)

Upcoming events in or around Lancashire. Hope you find something of interest! 3 November 11 am to 4 pm - TAMESIDE FAMILY HISTORY CENTRE Family History Day. Portland Basin Museum, Portland Place, Ashton-under-Lyne OL7 0QA http://tinyurl.com/2l8r78 7 November 2 pm to 4:30 pm - Family History Workshops at Mirfield Library with the assistance of HUDDERSFIELD & DISTRICT FHS, Mirfield Library, Eastthorpe Lodge, Huddersfield Road, Mirfield WF14 8AN http://www.kirklees.gov.uk/events/eventdetails.asp?evDtID=40468&evID=5637 10 November 9:45 am to 4:15 pm - UNIVERSITY OF BRADFORD, "Family History for Beginners," The Norcroft Centre, Tumbling Hill Street, University of Bradford, Bradford, West Yorkshire BD7 1DP. http://www.brad.ac.uk/events/dayschools/2007-11-10.php 10 November to 11 November 11:30 am to 4:.30 pm - IMPERIAL WAR MUSEUM NORTH, Family History Weekend. Staff from the Commonwealth War Graves Commission and Imperial War Museum’s Printed Books Department will be on hand to offer advise. Imperial War Museum North, The Quays, Trafford Wharf, Trafford Park, Manchester M17 1TZ http://north.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.5065 10 November to 9 March IMPERIAL WAR MUSEUM NORTH, "Remembered: The History of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission" exhibition. Imperial War Museum North, The Quays, Trafford Wharf, Trafford Park, Manchester M17 1TZ http://north.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.5065 14 November 7 pm - TAMESIDE FAMILY HISTORY GROUP, "Manchester Cathedral Registers." The schoolrooms immediately to the right of Dukinfield Old Chapel, Dukinfield, Cheshire http://www.fhsc.org.uk/fhsc/dkevents.htm 17 November 9:30 am to 4:30 pm - INSTITUTE OF LOCAL AND FAMILY HISTORY and HISTORIC SOCIETY OF LANCASHIRE AND CHESHIRE, "Making Sense of the Census and Other Matters." Various aspects of familiar nineteenth century sources will be explored. University of Central Lancashire, Preston Lancashire PR1 2HE. www.localandfamilyhistory.com 17 November 10 am to 3:30 pm - LANCASHIRE FAMILY HISTORY & HERALDRY SOCIETY, Pendle & Burnley Family History Open Day, Burnley Library, Grimshaw Street, Burnley BB11 2BD. http://www.lfhhs-pendleandburnley.org.uk/ 24 November 10 am to 4 pm - HULL FAMILY HISTORY FAIR, Staff House, Hull University, Cottingham Road, Hull. http://www.yorkshireancestors.com/hullfair2007.html 27 November SKELMERSDALE HERITAGE SOCIETY, "Lancashire Night," Wardens Club, Blaguegate Lane, Old Skelmersdale, Lancashire. http://www.skemheritage.org.uk/events.htm Do you know of any other family history events in, near, or about Lancashire? Please let us know about them! Want news of events all around England? Subscribe to the ENG-GEN-EVENTS list. See http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-GEN-EVENTS.html

Carol, Suggest that you have a look at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/poorsettlement.html http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Wigan/poorlaw.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Law Regards, Andrew On 27 Oct 2007 at 14:21, Carolgriff@aol.com wrote: > Me again > > ive been googling ansd i think Ive answered myself. i just have to > understand it all now. > > Anyway if anyones like me and needs to know more about removal orders etc > then this seems to be a good site. > > _http://www.mdlp.co.uk/resources/general/poor_law.htm_ > (http://www.mdlp.co.uk/resources/general/poor_law.htm) > > > Carol > > > > > >

Thanks Andrew Those links seem to be useful. carol

Me again ive been googling ansd i think Ive answered myself. i just have to understand it all now. Anyway if anyones like me and needs to know more about removal orders etc then this seems to be a good site. _http://www.mdlp.co.uk/resources/general/poor_law.htm_ (http://www.mdlp.co.uk/resources/general/poor_law.htm) Carol

Hi I need a lesson in removal orders. Im looking at 2 items of interest to me on National Archives "FILE - Wigan to Orrell. Order of removal of Roger Horrocks, Alice his wife and Matthew, Alice, Mary, Ann and Peggy their children - ref. QSP/2117/64 - date: 1780 26 Jun" FILE - Wigan to Ince in Makerfield. Order of removal of John Horrocks, Mary his wife and Mary their daughter - ref. QSP/2707/93 - date: 1816 17 Sep Does this mean that one or more of the people mentioned were born in the places they were being removed to? (Im starting to try and build a picture of my Horrocks and I think John mentioned in 1816 is the son of young Matthew mentioned 1780 - to further complicate matters i believ alice was the 2nd wife of Roger Horrocks- they were married March 1780 in Wigan. Any comments welcome. carol

I am trying to find information on the family of Percy and Mildred Darwell of Wigan. Mildred Elfreda (Robinson) Darwell died in Jun 1996 in Wigan. She was born 1908 in Palmerston North, New Zealand. I do not have the full death date. I have no information on the birth or death of her husband Percy. They had one daughter Peggy (Margaret ?) Darwell who married a Nichols and perhaps a Dow. Not sure. Peggy was a police officer, perhaps in Wigan. She may still be alive. Is there a possibility that there was a death notice or obituary for Mildred Darwell in June 1996? Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Robert L. Evensen Cambridge, Massachusetts USA

Thanks for the link to see Wigan then and now. That was very cool! Shannon -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:44 PM To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIGAN] You Tube of old Wigan Susan Davies wrote: >Hi > >Just been on Google Earth and found this 'pin mark' on Wigan. >Very good photo's of then and now of Wigan. Enjoy > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZgOJ7KBW8M > Thank you, Susan. I did enjoy it! Best wishes, Lynne ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release Date: 10/21/2007 3:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release Date: 10/21/2007 3:09 PM

Susan Davies wrote: >Hi > >Just been on Google Earth and found this 'pin mark' on Wigan. >Very good photo's of then and now of Wigan. Enjoy > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZgOJ7KBW8M > Thank you, Susan. I did enjoy it! Best wishes, Lynne

Hi Just been on Google Earth and found this 'pin mark' on Wigan. Very good photo's of then and now of Wigan. Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZgOJ7KBW8M Best Regards Susan in Dubai

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I know that Peter Taberner was chr. 9 Feb 1755 in Orrell, Wigan, Lanc, England. His last child Ellen Taberner was chr. in Haigh, Wigan Parish, Lanc, Eng. I know of his death date to be 1839, does anyone know is there a cemetery in Haigh or around that area. If you know him or his wife Jane Heaton married 1796 in Standish Parish, I would greatly appreciate ANY information helping me to zero in on where he is buried. Thanks!!! _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last.  Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033

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Hello Carol Thank you for your speedy reply and the research you have done. In 1841 Elizabeth and her son were living with Elizabeth's widowed Mother, Mary/Molly Sharples in John Street, Wigan. As attached The Sharples Family which contains Zephaniah Sharples, who moved to Staffordshire is a separate but parallel Sharples Family - I have not managed to link them together yet! I am also looking for William Foster born in 1875 in Wigan Lancashire (Parents William & Elizabeth Foster) on the 1891 Census. Do you happen to have this and his family? Again with great thanks and very best wishes Norman Sharples. -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolgriff@aol.com Sent: 15 October 2007 18:23 To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com Subject: [WIGAN] WIGAN WORKHOUSE Hi Sorry- I think I was looking at the wrong family re living in Staffordshire. Am I right in thinking this is your lot 1841. All I can suggest is James was with one of the sisters who had married and was entered on the married name? Maybe Elizabeth married? Have you looked at this- maybe worth a try although no small task, sorry if im teaching you how to suck eggs:) carol 1841 Alice Shacklesabt 1836 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire View Record Catharine Shacklesabt 1826 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Shacklesabt 1821 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire View Record James Shacklesabt 1841 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire View Record Mary Shacklesabt 1796 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire View Record Mary Shacklesabt 1832 Lancashire, EnglandWigan Lancashire ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Do you have a Wigan resource that is not under copyright or licensing agreement? Consider offering lookups during the summer doldrums. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message