I have a Marriage Certificate for Wilfred GEORGESON and Elsie Mary SIMPSON, both Christian Brethren Missionaries ; Marriage date: 30th July 1930; Marriage solemnized at Christian Meeting House, Rodney Street, Wigan. I have done some searching to find out about the Christian Meeting House (but have not found anything) ; I know that Wilfred G and Elsie Mary later served in Africa as missionaries. Would anyone have information on the Christian Meeting House and the Christian Brethren ? Thank You. Barb, Ontario, Canada bbaker48@sympatico.ca

http://mouldingname.info/ebooks/homelife/0.html homelife of lancashire factory folk during the cotton famine Hi Like you I have irish family who came to Wigan- the McMullens. I only know they are irish due to 1841 census- by 1851 the younger generation were saying they were born Wigan and by 1861 my branch had dropped the Mc, becoming Mullens on their move to Co Durham. I find the e book on the above link a wondersful source of what life was like. Do take the time to read it, if you search there are sevearl sources I believe. I have been luckier with other irish branches tho, if they came to england via Scotland then its definately worth getting bmd certs especially 1850s as full deatils of places of birth parents marriages etc are aoften shown. Likewise if your family has an unusual name then its worth searching Griffiths Valuation if they would have been in ireland then. Other than that, it seems to be guesswork! carol

Hi can anyone point me to a description of what Flux asa cause of death would mean circa1800. The poor souls was a blaecher in the mills. I have found this on an american site circa 1880 and wonder if this would apply or whether special circumstances would apply to a mill worker FLUX - An unnatural discharge of blood or liquid matter from the body. Thanks carol

Crosspost Listers: Like many of you my IRISH came over to ENGLAND before and during the Great Famine. Getting them back to their IRISH roots has been a very hard experience. There are no "Passenger Lists" and short of having a notation of their place of origin besides "Ireland" on a Census or on a baptism or marriage certificate in England, it is a short of miraculous to find them. Any suggestions? Be that as it may, can someone direct me to a URL that describes in detail the experience of the IRISH who came to ENGLAND before and during the Great Famine? Thanks for your help! Bill Dorgan

Hi i searched and came up with this. ive never seen this site before so dont know how good it is but thought Id pass it on. carol http://surname.sofeminine.co.uk/w/surnames/surname-pomfret.html

Crosspost Listers: Can someone point me to a URL where I could read about the history and derivation of the name POMFRET, mainly found in Lancashire? I Googled, but came up empty! Thanks for your help, Bill Dorgan

On 3/28/07, Lance Mitchell <lmitchell@uniflexinc.com> wrote: > Does anyone have a map of Hollinwood cemetery in Oldham? -Lance Mitchell > Hi Lance That's a bit out of the area covered by this list. I did a quick search of Google without success. You could try searching the RootsWeb mailing list archives. You might also try calling the cemetery: Hollinwood Cemetery Roman Road, Hollinwood, Oldham, OL8 3LU Phone: 0161 681 1312 Best wishes, Lynne

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=====APRIL===== 1 April 10 am to 5 pm - STOCKPORT Family History Fair, Wellington Rd South, Stockport. SK1 3XE. http://members.aol.com/aquarterma/dateloc.html 5 April 2:00 pm - PEOPLE'S HISTORY MUSEUM, Living History - Moving Stories Anita Sharma, a Manchester schoolgirl, describes her trip to Bombay, the home of her parents. Pump House, Bridge Street, Manchester. http://82.71.77.169/index.html 14 April 10 am to 4 pm - INSTITUTE OF LOCAL AND FAMILY HISTORY, University of Central Lancashire, Group Study Day delivered by members of the LANCASHIRE FAMILY HISTORY & HERALDRY SOCIETY. E- mail locfamhistory@uclan.ac.uk 16 April 2 pm to 4:30 pm - JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF GREAT BRITAIN, Manchester Regional Group. "Are you making good use of our 100+ books, CDs, maps and our many information files?" Broughton Library, Bury New Road, Salford M7. E-mail Manchester@jgsgb.org.uk 21 April 11 am to 4:30 pm - CHORLEY BRANCH - LANCASHIRE FH & HERALDRY SOCIETY, 'Meet Our Experts," a Family History Road Show at Astley Hall, Chorley. Email chorleyinfo@lfhhs.org.uk or see www.lfhhs.org.uk/chorley 22 April 8 pm - JEWISH HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF ENGLAND, "The History of the Southport Jewish Community." Liverpool Jewish Community Centre, Harold House, Dunbabin Road, Liverpool, L15 6XL. http://www.jhse.org/html/liverpool.html 24 April 2 pm - CHESHIRE LOCAL HISTORY SOCIETY AGM, 'Revealing Cheshire's Past', Chester Town Hall. http://www.cheshirehistory.org.uk/Events/Calendar.htm 29 April 2 pm to 4:00 pm - JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF GREAT BRITAIN, Manchester Regional Group. Special help for beginners with tutorial on using JGSGB website and JewishGen website. St Gabriel's Church Community Hall, Bishops Road, off Kings Road, Prestwich. E-mail Manchester@jgsgb.org.uk =====FUTURE==== 3 June JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF GREAT BRITAIN, Fifth Annual Northern Conference. King David High School Hall in Eaton Road, Crumpsall, Manchester. E-mail chairman@jgsgb.org.uk 9 June 1:30pm to 3:30 pm - CHORLEY BRANCH - LANCASHIRE FH & HERALDRY SOCIETY, "The History and Origins of Surnames" and " beginners look at D.N.A. in Family History," at Astley Hall, Townley Parker Room, Chorley. E-mail chorleyinfo@lfhhs.org.uk or see www.lfhhs.org.uk/chorley

Hi Val, Newspapers covering Kearsley are held at Bolton Archives, i.e. Bolton Chronicle, Journal and Evening News. You could try e-mailing them at archives.library@bolton.gov.uk but be warned, they have a large backlog of mail and it could take some time. Valerie in Bolton -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ValHobson@aol.com Sent: 28 March 2007 15:44 To: ENG-LAN-WIGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [WIGAN] Kearsley Newspapers of 1897 Could anyone advise me as to whether or not there are any newspapers of September 1897 that would cover Kearsley and, if so, where they are held. I'm trying to find out if there was a report of an inquest held on 16 Sept 1897 relating to a John Walker of 387 Bolton Road, Kearsley who was killed by a fall of coal. Kind regards, Val of Leeds The list administrator can be reached at ENG-LAN-WIGAN-admin@RootsWeb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have a map of Hollinwood cemetery in Oldham? -Lance Mitchell -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Valerie Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:12 AM To: eng-lan-wigan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIGAN] Kearsley Newspapers of 1897 Hi Val, Newspapers covering Kearsley are held at Bolton Archives, i.e. Bolton Chronicle, Journal and Evening News. You could try e-mailing them at archives.library@bolton.gov.uk but be warned, they have a large backlog of mail and it could take some time. Valerie in Bolton -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ValHobson@aol.com Sent: 28 March 2007 15:44 To: ENG-LAN-WIGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [WIGAN] Kearsley Newspapers of 1897 Could anyone advise me as to whether or not there are any newspapers of September 1897 that would cover Kearsley and, if so, where they are held. I'm trying to find out if there was a report of an inquest held on 16 Sept 1897 relating to a John Walker of 387 Bolton Road, Kearsley who was killed by a fall of coal. Kind regards, Val of Leeds The list administrator can be reached at ENG-LAN-WIGAN-admin@RootsWeb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wigan F&LHS: http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/familyhistory The list administrator can be reached at ENG-LAN-WIGAN-admin@RootsWeb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 3/27/2007 4:38 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 3/27/2007 4:38 PM

Could anyone advise me as to whether or not there are any newspapers of September 1897 that would cover Kearsley and, if so, where they are held. I'm trying to find out if there was a report of an inquest held on 16 Sept 1897 relating to a John Walker of 387 Bolton Road, Kearsley who was killed by a fall of coal. Kind regards, Val of Leeds

Artdeco3050@aol.com wrote: >Hello Lynne, > > I do not have anything to add to your Fitton search,except >to tell you i once lived in Farnworth Bolton.Fitton is a well known name >there.You may find some relatives to link your find together. <snip> > Hi Lynda I'm not actually researching FITTON. I posted the snippet regarding James FITTON in case someone else is looking for him. Thank you for thinking of me, though. Best wishes, Lynne

ps spelt Fitten wrong

Hello Lynne, I do not have anything to add to your Fitton search,except to tell you i once lived in Farnworth Bolton.Fitton is a well known name there.You may find some relatives to link your find together.This is what happened to me,my grandparents started off in Wigan,then moved around following the building of The Bridgewater Canal and ended up in Farnworth .Your ancestors could quite easily have done the same. I put a message on the Farnworth -Knowhere - board and inside a week i had all the information i needed .Everyone helped fit stuff together for me as i was working through my search.Just give it a try. There is a Knowhere board for each town and surrounding areas. I hope this Helps. For people needing Irish help--Fermanah Gold --is good they have a message board also--- try for other research--- Surname Navigator.-- Failing that send a message to the main library in the place you need--i did this in New york library and witin 3 days i had all i needed to trace my family who went by sea to America in the 30's IF i can be of help to anyone please ask Lynda

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Transcribed by me from the London Gazette, Issue 18580, published 29 May 1829: "Pursuant to a Degree of the High Court of Chancery, made in a cause FITTON against GIDLOW, the Creditors of James FITTON, late of Wigan, in the County of Lancaster, Schoolmaster, deceased (who died in or about the month of September 1817), are forthwith to come in and prove their debts before James Stephen, Esq. one of the Masters of the said Court, at his Chambers, in Southampton-Buildings, Chancery-Lane, London, or in default thereof they will be excluded the benefit of the said Decree." It's a shame the first name of GIDLOW doesn't appear, but how nice to find a death date! The only James FITTON I could find on the IGI is the death of a James FITTEN, unfortunately without a specific location and a member submission. Hope this is of use to someone. Lynne

Hi William Horrocks marriage cert arrived today and while no evidence that he is my Anns brother, Im encouraged that he names his dad as John Horrocks occupation Crofter- same as on Anns marriage cert from the same year- 1842. William Horrocks married Ellen Storey 5th june 1842 Pemberton church, both were residing at Pemberton. Ellen gives her age as 18, William says full age- like my Ann (Im starting to think they couldnt do their sums as ages on census seem to vary) Ellens dad is Ralph Storey a Joiner incase anyone has any interest. His family is actually easy to find 1841 living in Scholes area- near my Ann Horrocks. So I now know both William and Ann had a dad called John who was a crofter. They both on one census at least said they were born in Yorkshire and were both in Wigan by 1841. Im (almost) sure I have the right family. So frustrating not to have evidence. I think I will order Mathew Horrocks marriage cert next- Anns boarder 1851 and Williams brother? 1841. At least if I know his dad was also John then the plot is thickening. If anyone can think of anything at all please shouit up- both to get evidence re Ann- an impossibility if Im honest, or to establish who William Horrocks circa 1820 and Mathew Horrocks circa 1830 parents were. 1841 suggests mam and dad were John and Mary and 1851 John and Margaret, and as far as member submissions on IGI go it seems to be Margaret but the more I look the more the submissions seem to be a bit of guesswork. Confused? I am. Thanks Carol - who is definately starting to feel that a whole bunch of Wigan Horrocks could be mine.

Hello Listers Can anyone help with the following names: John George FORSHAW b 1854 Wigan son of Timothy FORSHAW and Ellen HARRISON married Margaret ATHERTON of Wigan, dau of George ATHERTON and Elizabeth WOODS. Married in Sydney NSW July 1880 and had 7 known children. Welcome information of descendants or ancestors. Any help will be much appreciated Beth Canberra ACT Researching: ATHERTON,CONNORS, DONOVAN, FORSHAW, HAPGOOD, HARRISON, LEESON, LOBB, MANAHAN, QUINLAN, ROBERTS, RIX, SHEPHERD, SIMS, WATLING, WELLSTEAD, WILSON, WILLIAMS , WOODS

I need help finding a birth certificate for my grandfather's illigitimate son. His name was William Richard last name I'm not sure if at birth he was given his fathers surname of either PUGH or PRICE or he might have been given his mothers surname. The name he used later on in life was PUGH. He was born October 5, 1893 in Wigan, Lancashire and was living with his fathers family in Wales in 1901 and later went to Canada for a short time. He married Minnie Haygarth in West Derby, Liverpool December 10, 1914 (I have the marriage certificate). Can anyone help with finding his birth certificate? I did come up with one but it's wrong. It was William born to William PRICE and Lydia PRICE formally WILLIAMS and I know his parents weren't married and this birth was November 14, 1894 in the district of Aspull. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Barb McKee Vancouver, Canada