Hi All Ive been beavering away with my Wigan MCMULLENS and feel that Im slowly building up quite an extended family. . If anyone has any thoughts on what I can do to get further info or even better is connected in any way then please shout up. Im starting to think that they occupied most of Stewart/Stuart Street Wigan 1841. I have William MCMULLEN who is listed as being born 1815 but I think it may say 1825? He is my GG Grandad. He is shown to be born Ireland but states Wigan in later census returns- he also drops the Mc mid 1850s to presumably leave his Irish heritage behind. On his marriage cert his dad is Henry MCMULLEN- a weaver. He is next to another William MCMULLEN and his wife Fanny and kids. Fanny (Frances)remarries and by 1851 is married to Patrick CUNNINGHAM. I am thinking this William is maybe my Williams cousin or uncle. This William was born circa 1806 Ireland Also in Stewart Street 1841 are Sarah ROBINSON and her hubby Richard. On the marriage cert 2nd Nov 1839- Sarahs dad is Henry MCMULLEN a weaver. Sarah is a widow- her previous hubby was James MCCLAVE. Sarahs new hubby Richard dies and so Sarah remarries to a Bartholomew MALONE on 6 March 1843- by now shes in Aspull. There are some MCCLAVE kids that grow up and marry that will be related to my MCMULLENS.Sarah was born circa 1798 Ireland Stewart Street also is the home of Isabella MCMULLEN- she dies there 24 Oct 1841. The cert shows she is the widow of James MCMULLEN a weaver- she was 66. William MCMULLEN was the informant- could this be William -hubby of Fanny and so maybe James and Isabella were his parents? I cant find old Isabella 1841census tho. Stewart Street was finally the home of Ann Horrocks- my gg grandmother who married my William McMullen 1 August 1842, my William was still there also. So Im now feeling that quite a gang of MCMULLENS came from Ireland, I also am thinking they came circa 1820 as there are Wigan baptisms and deaths for baby MCCLAVES in the early 1820's. All I need is to find a rellie who knows where in Ireland they came from and I will be laughing:) Im also interested in John MCMULLEN- dad Henry MCMULLEN a weaver. John married Mary HEATON 18 July 1859 and they and their family appear to stay in Wigan throughtout the census period. John was born circa 1832 Wigan. Finally Edward MCMULLEN intrigues me- I havent found a connection but am thinking there could be one. Edward married Mary Ann COLLIER 19 April 1857 His dad was Edward MCMULLEN. In 1851 he was with his aunt Kitty MCMULLEN. More investigation needed there. Edward was born circa 1830 Wigan and Kitty circa 1792 Ireland. Edwards cousin William MCULLOUGH born circa 1802 IRELAND is also with them 1851. So there you have it, like I say any suggestions etc more than welcome. Carol

Hi Thanks for that. I havent found any HORROCKS called Richard in what I think is my family but i will certainly keep it in mind. Looking at the excellant death records for Wigan on the OPC site i think a seperate Horrocks family lived at wallgate but who know- they could connect if I get far enough back. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ Carol

Interested in the EVANS family appearing below in the 1901 census. 1901 Census: RG13/3553, Folio 36, pg 13 Registration District Wigan, 107 Whelley James Hy. Evans, head, married, 45, Steel Roller, Wales, unreadable [Affair?] Mary, wife, m, 47, Lancs Preston Grace, dau, 22, Draper's Assistant, Lancs Preston William B. Evans, son, single, 20, steel roller's assistant, worker, born Lancs, Preston Lizzie Evans, dau, single, 19, school teacher, worker, born Lancs., Preston James H. , single, 16, steel roller's assistant, born Yorks, Thornaby Joseph E. , son, 14, steel roller's assistant, born Thornaby Emily, dau., 11, born Thornaby Lilian, dau., 9, born Thornaby Norman W., Evans, 3, born Lancs., Preston Elizabeth Brindle, aunt, wid, 42, Mother's helper (domestic) Regards, Leigh-Ann

Hi My enigmatic Ann Horrocks who turns up in Wigan 1841 is starting to gather a family- I think, its all speculation but the pieces are coming together- if anyone is researching any HORROCKS I would be pleased to hear from you- to eliminate if nothing else. Ann married William MCMULLEN 1842. Her dad was John HORROCKS a crofter. By 1848 they were in Ince when their son John MCMULLEN died- the informant was Mary HORROCKS - Im thinking this was Anns mam. William HORROCKS (Anns brother I think) married Ellen STOREY 5 June 1842. Matthew HORROCKS (another brother?) married Catherine COMMACHEE 1Dec 1851. My Ann and William were witnesses. By now they were living at Primrose Hill Wigan. Matthew was soon widowed and married Mary Ann HITCHEN 12 Aug 1855 they and their kids stayed in Wigan- settling in Ince. John HORROCKS (another brother?) married Elizabeth ORMAND 1July 1858. Other HORROCKS siblings are possibly Elizabeth born circa 1833, Maria circa 1834 and Margaret circa 1837. Hope to hear something. carol

Can anyone help me I'm looking for anyone who knows about the families of Mary Ann Dowd who married John Littler. John was born in Aston in Makerfield in 1876 and Mary Ann was born in Earlstown in 1880. I'm pretty sure Mary Ann's father was Michael Dowd born in Galway but her marriage certificate gives him as John ( hopefully this was a mistake) as all the rest of Michael's family fit with the names given to me by a great aunt. If there is anyone out there who can help me confirm this it would help me a lot. Carol Buchan

Carol Orr wrote: ><snip> > >P.S. What would a "Boatman" have been or done. > > >From <http://web.ukonline.co.uk/thursday.handleigh/demography/occupations-wages-money/old-occupations/oldocc-b.htm> > A person who worked on a boat, predominately on rivers and canals. > Also the name > given to a boat repairer. From Rodney Hall's Old Occupations <http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/b.html>: > 1) Worked on river and canal boats 2) Boat repairer also found this at John Roberts' Waterway Index <http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/jim.shead/FamilyHistory.htm>: > SOURCES OF INFORMATION UNIOUE TO WATERWAYS > > REGISTER OF BOATS AND BARGES - 1795 - Inland waterway craft were > required to be registered by the Clerk of the Peace from 1795. > Registers are usually deposited at local record offices. > > PUBLIC HEALTH REGISTERS - Kept under the Canal Boat Acts 1877 to 1884 > and administered by the Local or Port Authority through whose district > a canal or river navigation passed. The Acts were introduced to > prevent overcrowding, and to improve living standards on the cabin > boats. Boats with living accomodation had to be registered and were > issued with a numbered certificate. The number together with the town > was usually painted on the cabin side. These registers may be > deposited at the local record office but some are still with the > Authority concerned. > > GAUGING TABLES - Kept by each Navigation Company showing details of a > boats carrying capacity. Other details vary but they usually contain > the owners name and address. Registers may be at the National > Waterways Museum, Llanthony Warehouse, Gloucester Docks, Gloucester > GL1 2EL. > > BRITISH TRANSPORT HISTORICAL RECORDS - A collection of documents, > canal company minute books, maps etc, etc, - kept at the Public Record > Office, Kew, London. > Hope that helps a little! Best wishes, Lynne

Lance Mitchell wrote: >Is it just me; I haven't been receiving many posts. > Hi Lance As someone said, you have to send mail to get mail. ;-) Post your interests in Wigan, or share with the list any migration patterns, immigration, historical sketches, census data, wills, births, marriages, deaths, and/or web sites relating to Wigan. Maybe that will stir the pot a bit. Best wishes, Lynne

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Hi, iam new to this list and looking for Methvens would love to connect with anyone researching this name Kath Ont Canada

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Hello List, I am back to square one with my Baldwins hoping to find out where I took a wronge turn. In the 1841 census: Robert Baldwin aged 40, profession Boatman, born in Lancashire Mary Baldwin (nee Heys), aged 45, born in Lancs Danial Baldwin, aged 15, boatman, born 1826 in Lancs John Baldwin, aged 12, born 1829 in Lancs (John became a coal miner) The address at this time was Platt Lane, Wigan. Robert and Mary were married in St Peter, Bolton Le Moors, Lancs 12th May 1823. I think this is where Danial became a "boatman" along with his father. By 1841 they had turned up in Wigan. John is my line that I am following. In 1848 March 20th he married a Jane Fairhurst. The rest I know. So, back to Robert. I have just finished following a Robert Baldwin who had married an Elizabeth Boardman who have turned out to be not mine (Ahhhhhhh!!!) although it seems they had children by the same name. My queries are: Can anyone with access to parish records or whatever other records there maybe where they might be able to find this family before 1841. It looks like the area is Bolton Le Moors (st peter). There may even be children before the two I have mentioned. Anything at all much appreciated. Thank you. Carol/NZ P.S. What would a "Boatman" have been or done.

Hi There Carol I have just started researching the Henry Park family from Wigan. I went to Wigan last week and had a look at the area called the "Wiend" which is in the town centre. This is an extract from the info I had been working from. "Forge Masters Offices and warehouse, Wiend forge and works, school common, Wigan - this eminent house was founded close upon a century ago being there known by the name of the Wigan Slitting Mill" I guess School Common is the same area - I have a couple of photo's if you would like them? If anyone has any history on William Park and Co - Iron Forge or Henry Park, Mayor of Wigan 1882 - 1887 I would love to hear from you Regards Amanda Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 04:36:36 EDT From: Carolgriff@aol.com Subject: [WIGAN] School Common Wigan To: ENG-LAN-WIGAN@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d1a.9079651.33460f14@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi I just got a birth cert 9th Dec 1843. Henry McMullen was born School Common Wigan. I see from wiganworld street directory 1890 that this was off Scholes. Does anyone know whether School Common was a particular street or an area? By the way Henrys parents were William McMullen and Ann nee Horrocks. William at this time was a carder. 1841 they were at stewart Street and I have nothing more till 1851 when they were at Primrose Hill. carol

Hi I just got a birth cert 9th Dec 1843. Henry McMullen was born School Common Wigan. I see from wiganworld street directory 1890 that this was off Scholes. Does anyone know whether School Common was a particular street or an area? By the way Henrys parents were William McMullen and Ann nee Horrocks. William at this time was a carder. 1841 they were at stewart Street and I have nothing more till 1851 when they were at Primrose Hill. carol

Hi As Im building up my HORROCKS people Im interested in, Ive obtained a marriage cert for Mathew HORROCKS AND Catherine COMMACHEE?. Im wondering if anyone has any interest. They were married 1st Dec 1851 Wigan parish church. Catherine was 18 and a spinster- residence Wigan, father John Commachee? a weaver. Catherine died Sept 1/4 1853, I dont think there were any kids. By the way the witnesses were my William McMullen and his wife Ann nee Horrocks. This encourages me that Matthew was Anns brother (his dad named John as well as Anns)but then again, he was a lodger at the McMullens 1851. All adds to the fun. Anyway, if anyone wants a copy of the cert shout up, likewise if anyone can find anything on the Commachees Id be interested to know- pure nosiness but I I cant find them anywhere. carol

I found this listing in the National Archives: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/accessions/1995/95returns/95ac132.htm >>>>Christian Meeting House, Wigan (Churches of Christ, from 1981 United Reformed Church): registers, minutes and other records 1848-1989 (ACC2961)<<<<< Strange that I have been looking for something to tie in with my GEORGESON / SIMPSON family for a very long time. Today, references are popping up !! Barb, Ontario, Canada

Try Fermanah gold also Surname navigator--this opens up lots of pages try any site with regards to Liverpool and Lancashire--i have seen Irish research on these but can't remember the wholesite name I hope this Helps Lynda researching Wigan and Leigh for all my grandparents Family PS also lots of Irish men came across to work as Navigators on the Bridgewater canal ,moving along with it till it got to Farnworth --you might like to research sites like Walkden Barton upon Humber and local plases to these.

In a message dated 01/04/2007 02:06:16 GMT Standard Time, bbaker48@sympatico.ca writes: I have a Marriage Certificate for Wilfred GEORGESON and Elsie Mary SIMPSON, both Christian Brethren Missionaries ; Marriage date: 30th July 1930; Marriage solemnized at Christian Meeting House, Rodney Street, Wigan. I have done some searching to find out about the Christian Meeting House (but have not found anything) ; I know that Wilfred G and Elsie Mary later served in Africa as missionaries. Would anyone have information on the Christian Meeting House and the Christian Brethren ? Thank You. Barb, Ontario, Canada bbaker48@sympatico.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wigan F&LHS: http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/familyhistory The list administrator can be reached at ENG-LAN-WIGAN-admin@RootsWeb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message I also have a marriage certificate for Solomon Miller to Clarice Parr dated 30/03/1891 where the marriage took place at the Christian Meeting House, Rodney Street, Wigan but like Barb have not been able to find anything out re the Meeting House. I always thought the meeting houses had something to do with the Quakers. Like Barb I'd be very interested if anyone knows anything further. Regards, Val _valhobson@aol.com_ (mailto:valhobson@aol.com)

Thanks for that- will be useful for other deaths as well. Carol

You will find all the old names for diseases at http://www.bignell.uk.com/disease_in_history.htm. Flux was dysentery. Meg Galley -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-wigan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolgriff@aol.com Sent: 31 March 2007 17:29 To: ENG-LAN-WIGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [WIGAN] FLUX- cause of death Hi can anyone point me to a description of what Flux asa cause of death would mean circa1800. The poor souls was a blaecher in the mills. I have found this on an american site circa 1880 and wonder if this would apply or whether special circumstances would apply to a mill worker FLUX - An unnatural discharge of blood or liquid matter from the body. Thanks carol ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wigan F&LHS: http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/familyhistory The list administrator can be reached at ENG-LAN-WIGAN-admin@RootsWeb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WIGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message