Hi, Many thanks to Stan for the information on the Ring a bells. I have a vague memory of the Pub and the church alongside. Did not know as St Elphins but as Warrington Parish church...Also remember some small white painted shops in Church Street - on the opposite side of the street to the Church - one very small general shop was run by a lady called IDDON - I went to school with her daughter Jean. I imagine all these old buildings will have gone. Last time I was in Warrington (1984) I had difficulty finding my way around - and was surprised to see thet "Oliver Cromwell" had been moved from his stance opposite the Packet House in Bridge Street. Thank you again for the information. Best regards Maureen near Brisbane where we have the Q.E.11 in port. --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers.

The black-and-white timbered buildings on Church St, Cromwell's 'Tudor Cottages', where my grandfather Isaac had a hardware and cycle shop from about 1916 until the 1930s, still stand. Cromwell is reputed to have stayed 'in or near' the site in 1648, during his campaign to defeat the Presbyterian Scots who had sprung to the defence of the Anglo-Catholic Charles I. He probably stayed on the site of the General Wolfe pub next door. When I was a kid this was a fine old Victorian pub with a coaching yard, so presumably founded on an even older site, with a little shop on its corner, run by Mr Lomax, sellnig ice cream, etc, right opposite the Tudor Cottages. This corner shop, built into the wall of the General Wolfe, showed signs of being much older, possibly also 16th-17th century. Both pub and shop are now demolished and replaced with undistinguished modern buildings, though there is a property just like it across the road and further towards the town centre, built into the corner of - if I remember correctly, another old pub, the Marquis of Granby. The shop was on the corner of what we knew as 'Jackson's opening' or 'entry', as Jackson's pawn shopohad been on the opposite side of the entry. That tiny shop was a cobbler's when I was a kid, and seems to have survived because of its attachment to the grander building. It was rather like the single room, door open ot the street shops for crafts that you still ifnd in Asian and Middle Eastern towns. Cromwell is reputed to have defeated the Scots near Warrington Bridge (the defeated soldiers were paraded along what thereafter came to be called Scotland Road), which is why his statue was placed at Bridge Foot, outside Priestley's Academy. The statue was relocated, along with the Academy, as a result of road-widening for the new bridge in the 70s or 80s, so was no longer visible as being on Bridge Street when the IRA planted their bombs in the 1990s. It's my theory that they had heard there was a statue of Cromwell at one end of Bridge St, looked for it and failed to find it, so left their bombs not near the Bridge Foot end of the street but at the top end, at Market Gate. Two young boys were killed in the bombing. My own son and his son had stood near the same spot the day before. There was a kerfuffle on the town council when the statue was offered to them by the Nonconformist Councillor Frederick Monks, in 1899, the tercentary of Cromwell's birth, and it was alleged to be an 'anti-Irish' move. It probably was, but it's a fine statue, and is used as the icon of the Cromwell Society on their website. It has its own chequered history, apparently giving offence to Queen Victoria and leading her to spurn Warrington at an earlier date (I think the statue was originally made in 1865 or thereabouts, and was intended for placing outside the gates of the Town Hall in Bank Park). We always called the church the Parish Church, too, because it was; but the Parish Church of St Elphins was its official name. Stan Smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen Sent: 24 February 2007 00:01 To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 Hi, Many thanks to Stan for the information on the Ring a bells. I have a vague memory of the Pub and the church alongside. Did not know as St Elphins but as Warrington Parish church...Also remember some small white painted shops in Church Street - on the opposite side of the street to the Church - one very small general shop was run by a lady called IDDON - I went to school with her daughter Jean. I imagine all these old buildings will have gone. Last time I was in Warrington (1984) I had difficulty finding my way around - and was surprised to see thet "Oliver Cromwell" had been moved from his stance opposite the Packet House in Bridge Street. Thank you again for the information. Best regards Maureen near Brisbane where we have the Q.E.11 in port. --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Stan: What a wealth of Warrington history you have! Do you by any chance know anything of the Crown & Sceptre hotel at Market Gate once owned by Greenall's Brewery? I gather it is now an insurance building. I know there was a pub by that name in the 1800s then rebuilt at the time of the restructuring of Buttermarket Street. Many thanks Angie

Hello Stan, Thank you for all that information - I will print out and study and try to come my memory into focus about the Warrington of my Childhood. Will be back in touch, Best Regards Maureen --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.