Hello Listers I'm looking for the surname BARROW after 1901 in Warrington. I'm not sure what directories are available after this date or how many BARROWS are living in Warrington after 1901. It may turn out that there are lots of them and if that's the case I'd particularly like to know about just 2 brothers. Listed in the 1901 census William BARROW 35 Chip potato and Coffee Dealer James BARROW 22 (looks like enamelware painter ???) Any help much appreciated Thanks John

Hi Stan Noticed you're researching Smith's. I'm doing ditto on behalf of my cousin. I've found some of her Smith's in Newton and Earlestown if your interested. Regards David from Perth, Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Smith" <stan.smith1@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Old Directory. > 1951-2 > > My father shared a coal business before the war with peter welsby - any > relation? > > Researching smith, thomason and and barlow > > Stan smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen > Sent: 04 February 2007 01:24 > To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Old Directory. > > > Hello, What year is your Directory ?. My Family lived in > Warrington for many years. Licensees of the Packet House Inn for some > years. I lived in the town for some of my Childhood years - evacuated to > Warrington during the Liverpool Blitz - lived over Welsby's Hat Shop in > Bridge St for a time !!. > Regards Maureen Qld. > Researching Fair, Green,Wright,Webster,Grace & Robertson. > > > > --------------------------------- > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your > question on Yahoo! Answers. > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Do not know much of the Welsby family other than the lady who owned the Milliners was Doris Welsby and at the time we lived there she would have been around 40 years of age. Around the corner in Mersey Street there was an alley (past Greenwood Furniture) and a Coal Merchant kept his horse and Wagon there. I used to go to feed the horse (huge beast) an apple. There was a cafe in Bridge Street near the Milliners - I think it was Mannions - we used to get meals from there sometimes ( not called Takeaways in those days). Regards Maureen Qld. --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.

David Yes, very much so: my ggfather James Smith was born in Newton circa 1799, and moved to warrington in the early decades of the 19th century, he was there, and married mary forster or foster, in the 1820s. Below is a couple of poems from a sequence I'm writing about the family, which will be published in 2008 (the attachment was too big for the ENGLAN servier. . Any connections you have would be extremely helpful. There's also a John Smith lineage from the same dates that I can't connect to mine. If you go to the Smith family South Lancashire website, the lineages are all there. Do you know this link? I think you'll find it by keying in the names of james, John and isaac smith, with warrington as another keyword, but I can't recall precisely, as although I'm a contributor of these data I've not been there for some time and my instant recall fades. Best Family Fortunes Hands James Smith (b. 1799, Newton, Lancashire; d.? between 1862 and 1870) Admiral Lord Nelson, bless his good left arm, did all right by me. Never a better time to have been apprenticed as a sailcloth weaver, while Warrington supplies half of the Fleet. The year he took back Naples I were born; when I were six they wept and cheered together for Trafalgár, him dead, but Froggy beat. Yet Boney had a big hand in my fortune, for if he’d not been so boneheaded, vexed by greed and envy, I’d have empty pockets. I saw the Iron Duke that day the Rocket ran the unfortunate Mr Huskisson down. We rule the waves, and the land too. Our town buzzes with industry. England expects. Dated Stories Mary Smith, née Forster (christened Warrington, 11 July,1800, daughter of Isaac and Hannah Forster; m. 29 October, 1821; d. Warrington, after 1861. Census returns: 1841, weaver, aged 35; 1851, sailcloth weaver, aged 48; 1861, canvas weaver, aged 58) My man came here because the work was good. Till I met him I’d never understood what they meant when they said you’ll know it’s him you want to spend your life with, sink or swim. We wed in 1821. My James were pleased our firstborn were a boy. No shame in being childless, though. There’s Smiths in plenty. We named him after dad. Married at twenty, in ’41 I lied about my age when they came prying, for I couldn’t gauge those dates and things. My children was all born in wedlock, ‘under canvas’. On the morn Isaac arrived we’d waited near eight years, a joyous day though it set out in tears. -----Original Message----- F rom: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of david bishop Sent: 04 February 2007 12:16 To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Old Directory. Hi Stan Noticed you're researching Smith's. I'm doing ditto on behalf of my cousin. I've found some of her Smith's in Newton and Earlestown if your interested. Regards David from Perth, Oz

Hello listers, I see some of you are interested in the old Warrington Street Directory, 1951-2. I have transcribed this directory and it's now in electronic format. This is NOT a copy of the directory - it's been re-typed by my own fair hands. Please contact me OFF LIST if you wish to buy one. Jo list admin

1951-2 My father shared a coal business before the war with peter welsby - any relation? Researching smith, thomason and and barlow Stan smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen Sent: 04 February 2007 01:24 To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Old Directory. Hello, What year is your Directory ?. My Family lived in Warrington for many years. Licensees of the Packet House Inn for some years. I lived in the town for some of my Childhood years - evacuated to Warrington during the Liverpool Blitz - lived over Welsby's Hat Shop in Bridge St for a time !!. Regards Maureen Qld. Researching Fair, Green,Wright,Webster,Grace & Robertson. --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, What year is your Directory ?. My Family lived in Warrington for many years. Licensees of the Packet House Inn for some years. I lived in the town for some of my Childhood years - evacuated to Warrington during the Liverpool Blitz - lived over Welsby's Hat Shop in Bridge St for a time !!. Regards Maureen Qld. Researching Fair, Green,Wright,Webster,Grace & Robertson. --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers.

Hmm, not so sure about my last reply now I've just checked what was either side of Grosvenor Street in the Census, and they were Bond Street and Warwick Street. Again, neither show on Autoroute next to Grosvenor Place - could be redeveloped though!!, there is a large area of 'blankness' including a large break in Broughton Lane. Neil ----- Original Message ---- From: Carol myers <brightman1@btopenworld.com> To: Neil Grantham <neil40@btinternet.com>; eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 3 February, 2007 8:45:45 AM Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Grosvenor Street, Broughton Hi Neil, There used to be a Grosvenor Street in Lower Broughton, off Great Clowes Street, but I don't know if it is still there now. Lower and Higher Broughton were next to each other. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Grantham" <neil40@btinternet.com> To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: [LAN-WARR] Grosvenor Street, Broughton > Me again! > > My Grandfather is at 35 Grosvenor Street, St James, Higher Broughton, > Kersal. > > I can't seem to find this street on modern maps, only a Grosvenor Place. > > Can anyone confirm where it is or was. > > Thanks again > Neil > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks Carol I'm just looking at Autoroute on my PC, and Grosvenor Place is (like Catherine Street in my other post) in two disjointed bits. One off Clarence St, the other off Cumberland St. The latter has a bend in it and doesn't look like it would connect to the other. However, with comments on redevelopment, I strongly suspect that it is what I'm after. My Grandparents married just a few hundred yards way in Broughton Lane (St Clements), so I would think it 'was' Grosvenor Street at some time (unless someone knows better!) Regards Neil ----- Original Message ---- From: Carol myers <brightman1@btopenworld.com> To: Neil Grantham <neil40@btinternet.com>; eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 3 February, 2007 8:45:45 AM Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Grosvenor Street, Broughton Hi Neil, There used to be a Grosvenor Street in Lower Broughton, off Great Clowes Street, but I don't know if it is still there now. Lower and Higher Broughton were next to each other. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Grantham" <neil40@btinternet.com> To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: [LAN-WARR] Grosvenor Street, Broughton > Me again! > > My Grandfather is at 35 Grosvenor Street, St James, Higher Broughton, > Kersal. > > I can't seem to find this street on modern maps, only a Grosvenor Place. > > Can anyone confirm where it is or was. > > Thanks again > Neil > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chris, Just a few thing you might try. a) Search at Google for "Phillip Gleave" using inverted commas. There look to be a couple of positive results, but they could be your own posts b) Search FAMILY TREE section of www.rootsweb.com . These are other people's submitted research. Use surname only then birthplace Cheshire. No Philip but lots of other Gleave names in Cheshire that may be linked. c) Use * for given name and search IGI for Gleave births around 1810 in Cheshire. You might find connections. d) If you find an IGI record, click on batch number. This invariably leads to other family members who used the same parish. Peter

Neil, I remember Catherine Street quite well having lived on Bewsey Road as a child in the post-war period, but sadly not in enough detail to remember specifics. I can confirm however, that it was indeed one continuous street extending from Bewsey Road to the main LMS railway line which formed a ‘dead end’ to the street. Incidentally, the street name was pronounced locally as ‘Cathrine’ with the ‘ine’ as in ‘nine’. I have a 1964 aerial photo of the ‘Greenings’ works on Bewsey Road, which shows the intersection of Catherine Street as it was, with the terraced houses, but not as far down as number 77. If you would like a copy of it, contact me off list and I will arrange to send you one. Best wishes, Keith. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.21/665 - Release Date: 02/02/2007

Peter I've already tried what you have suggested, but haven't had any luck. Thanks for your reply, Chris _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com

I have my father's old copy: he was a shopkeeper (bicycles) in Buttermarket st and had it to check on the addresses customers gave when they asked for credit on a bicycle. There weren't many bombs dropped on warrington during the Blitz, except for one notorious incident which killed children at a Thames Board works garden party (information about this on the web). My dad's parents, brother and sister were near misses for a stick of bombs that dropped on Church street, at the top of Howley Lane, near Rylands's steel works (there's a brief item about this on a BBC website for war reminiscences, it was in september 1940, I think). Bewsey Road is not that far away, but I don't think the line of bombs started that far up. My dad told me in a monent of indiscretion many years ago that I was conceived during a bombing raid (!), but I've never been able to verify this. If true (and he wasn't joking) this must have been around March 1942. I grew up in the area, and my postwar memories were of vast wastelands where old housing had been demolished recently, as part of slum clearance. Indeed, in the Directory I have, there are gaps in the street record for the houses where my great grandparents lived in the 19th century, though other houses in the street are still there. These were probably older houses than those around them, where newer houses were probably added later in the day. This was the old historic living area of medieval warrington, so there'd probably originally be isolated houses with land around, where other properties slowly accreted until they became streets. The house clearance scheme in this area in my childhood was like a dental programme, with gaps between healthy teeth where the unrepairable ones had been extracted. The waste land is even more extensive today: the whole area has been gutted by 'civic' action and the hope of building supermarkets etc around the place. Only in 2005 the 1863 listed building of the Boteler Grammar School on School Brow, owned by the council and left to rot, was pulled down, presumably because there was a commercial prospect for the land. Good luck with your researches. Stan -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Grantham Sent: 03 February 2007 00:07 To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Catherine Street Thanks Stan, I suppose, given the date of that directory, 77 may have been a victim of the Blitz? At least I know now that the road was continuous. By the way, where did you get such quick access to the directory. Is it online or CD perhaps? Regards Neil ----- Original Message ---- From: Stan Smith <stan.smith1@ntlworld.com> To: Neil Grantham <neil40@btinternet.com>; eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 2 February, 2007 10:42:26 PM Subject: RE: [LAN-WARR] Catherine Street In the 1951-52 warrington directory, Catherine St runs uninterruptedly from Bewsey Road, and is bisected by Lilford street between nos 69/71 and 73. It is classified as 'no thoroughfare' and is comprised entirely of private houses, apart from occasional grocers' shops (which were probably live-in premises). There is, however, nothing between 73 and no 81. There is a cluster of small shops here: 69/71 is a fish and chip shop, then Lilford St intervenes, then 73 is a greengrocer and 81 a grocer, so there may have been a small corner here, though probably not a square, but without houses (they could have been demolished, as much of the area was gradually over this period, usually starting with the oldest houses first). There is no interruption of the house numbering on the Lilford St corner across the road, in the even numbers. Stan Smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Grantham Sent: 02 February 2007 21:41 To: ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN-WARR] Catherine Street Dear List My grandma's birth certificate names her birthplace as 77 Catherine Street, Warrington If I look at a modern map, I see it as two 'bits' of road, and a search on Google shows commercial properties in one section. Can anyone tell me if it really was one complete road in days gone by and has it been re-developed. Are there any pictures online anywhere that I might see what it was like? Many thanks Neil ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Neil, There used to be a Grosvenor Street in Lower Broughton, off Great Clowes Street, but I don't know if it is still there now. Lower and Higher Broughton were next to each other. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Grantham" <neil40@btinternet.com> To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: [LAN-WARR] Grosvenor Street, Broughton > Me again! > > My Grandfather is at 35 Grosvenor Street, St James, Higher Broughton, > Kersal. > > I can't seem to find this street on modern maps, only a Grosvenor Place. > > Can anyone confirm where it is or was. > > Thanks again > Neil > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janet Thanks for the census return, the image is Philip's brother William. Both William and Philip had daughters called Rossamond. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/

Sharon Thanks for your help, and you aren't being bossy. My Philip has been driving me mad for some time, I have his baptism and birth date from Parish Records, and address in 1949 from Rossamonds birth certificate, he is also in several trade directories from the 1830's. I have looked through the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census returns for Stockport, Bristol and Ashton (One of his other brothers lived on Cotton Street, Ashton). I have a possible link in Breconshire where a Philip GLEAVE died in 1867. I Have found another Philip GLEAVE who was born in 1817 aslo from the stockport area. I really need to crack my Philip problem as I am starting to loose sleep over it. Thanks again, Chris > >I'm going to assume that you have done the standard things: checked the IGI >and the other materials that come up on familysearch.org. Try the >different sorts of searches on familysearch if you haven't. You may need >to go ahead and order daughter Rosamond Gleave's birth certificate if you >don't find someone else who has the info. This isn't much help, I know. >Sorry. I guess you could search freebmd for a marriage record prior to the >baby's birth, and that may tell you where Philip Gleave was born and see if >that information correlates with yours. That might help you narrow the >field. Parish registers were still kept, even though civil registration >was in effect from 1837, so you might want to look at the parish registers >at an LDS FHC for both Stockport and Bristol and see if you can find any >correlation between when one disappears and the other shows up. Did you >check the 1851 and 1841 Censuses? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com

Thanks Stan, I suppose, given the date of that directory, 77 may have been a victim of the Blitz? At least I know now that the road was continuous. By the way, where did you get such quick access to the directory. Is it online or CD perhaps? Regards Neil ----- Original Message ---- From: Stan Smith <stan.smith1@ntlworld.com> To: Neil Grantham <neil40@btinternet.com>; eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 2 February, 2007 10:42:26 PM Subject: RE: [LAN-WARR] Catherine Street In the 1951-52 warrington directory, Catherine St runs uninterruptedly from Bewsey Road, and is bisected by Lilford street between nos 69/71 and 73. It is classified as 'no thoroughfare' and is comprised entirely of private houses, apart from occasional grocers' shops (which were probably live-in premises). There is, however, nothing between 73 and no 81. There is a cluster of small shops here: 69/71 is a fish and chip shop, then Lilford St intervenes, then 73 is a greengrocer and 81 a grocer, so there may have been a small corner here, though probably not a square, but without houses (they could have been demolished, as much of the area was gradually over this period, usually starting with the oldest houses first). There is no interruption of the house numbering on the Lilford St corner across the road, in the even numbers. Stan Smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Grantham Sent: 02 February 2007 21:41 To: ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN-WARR] Catherine Street Dear List My grandma's birth certificate names her birthplace as 77 Catherine Street, Warrington If I look at a modern map, I see it as two 'bits' of road, and a search on Google shows commercial properties in one section. Can anyone tell me if it really was one complete road in days gone by and has it been re-developed. Are there any pictures online anywhere that I might see what it was like? Many thanks Neil ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm going to assume that you have done the standard things: checked the IGI and the other materials that come up on familysearch.org. Try the different sorts of searches on familysearch if you haven't. You may need to go ahead and order daughter Rosamond Gleave's birth certificate if you don't find someone else who has the info. This isn't much help, I know. Sorry. I guess you could search freebmd for a marriage record prior to the baby's birth, and that may tell you where Philip Gleave was born and see if that information correlates with yours. That might help you narrow the field. Parish registers were still kept, even though civil registration was in effect from 1837, so you might want to look at the parish registers at an LDS FHC for both Stockport and Bristol and see if you can find any correlation between when one disappears and the other shows up. Did you check the 1851 and 1841 Censuses? Forgive my bossiness, Sharon >From: "Christopher Gleave" <chrisgleave@hotmail.co.uk> >Reply-To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON@rootsweb.com >Subject: [LAN-WARR] New to list >Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:52:38 +0000 > >Good afternoon > >I have hit a brick wall, and would like some help to get over it. The >person I am looking for is Philip GLEAVE born 3 Apr 1811 in Stockport, >Cheshire, England, and baptised 2 Jun 1811. He was living in the Stockport >area upto 1838 where he worked as a Hair Cutter, then dissapears. I have a >possible link in Bristol when a Rosamond GLEAVE was born 2 Aug 1849 her >parents are Philip GLEAVE and Elizabeth GLEAVE (nee BULKLEY). Philips >mother was called Rosamond, which is why i think this is my Philip. > >His brother William GLEAVE born 24 Jan 1807 in Heaton Norris, also a Hair >Cutter lived at 33 Buttermarket Street, Warrington, between 1851 and 1871. >Has anyone come across Philip in their research, or has any info on >William. > >Many thanks, Chris, Stockport > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail >http://ideas.live.com > >** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** >** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier >searching of the archives ** >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Valentine’s Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline

In the 1951-52 warrington directory, Catherine St runs uninterruptedly from Bewsey Road, and is bisected by Lilford street between nos 69/71 and 73. It is classified as 'no thoroughfare' and is comprised entirely of private houses, apart from occasional grocers' shops (which were probably live-in premises). There is, however, nothing between 73 and no 81. There is a cluster of small shops here: 69/71 is a fish and chip shop, then Lilford St intervenes, then 73 is a greengrocer and 81 a grocer, so there may have been a small corner here, though probably not a square, but without houses (they could have been demolished, as much of the area was gradually over this period, usually starting with the oldest houses first). There is no interruption of the house numbering on the Lilford St corner across the road, in the even numbers. Stan Smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Grantham Sent: 02 February 2007 21:41 To: ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN-WARR] Catherine Street Dear List My grandma's birth certificate names her birthplace as 77 Catherine Street, Warrington If I look at a modern map, I see it as two 'bits' of road, and a search on Google shows commercial properties in one section. Can anyone tell me if it really was one complete road in days gone by and has it been re-developed. Are there any pictures online anywhere that I might see what it was like? Many thanks Neil ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Me again! My Grandfather is at 35 Grosvenor Street, St James, Higher Broughton, Kersal. I can't seem to find this street on modern maps, only a Grosvenor Place. Can anyone confirm where it is or was. Thanks again Neil