Hi Stan: Thanks for replying. I do have the book you mention with pictures of Market Gate showing the Crown & Sceptre. I was wondering if you or possibly anybody else may know something about that particular pub. I guess no matter how long one has been away their roots never whither! Angie

Hi Jennifer, There is a Thos Edgar (b abt 1821) and Joseph Edgar (b abt 1837) with a large group of other Edgars (it looks like a multi-generational family) in Warrington (HO107/521/10) and an Ann Edgar (b abt 1816) with a Walsh family in Warrington (HO107/521/6). Is it possible your Edgar family were living with relatives and Ann was away from home for some reason? The birth dates are a bit off but they rounded off ages in the 1841 census. There is also a Thos Edgar (b abt 1763) in Warrington (HO107/521/10) Good luck >From: "Jennifer" <jjdetta@cintek.com> >Reply-To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com >To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [LAN-WARR] RePosting Interest: EDGAR, DRINKWATER >Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:06:54 -0700 > >Hello Listers, > >It's been awhile, and I am still at a brickwall with these. > >Thomas EDGAR b. abt. 1816 in Warrington, found in the 1851 census living at >Lower Bank Street, age 35, Plumber and Glazier, with wife >Ann (DRINKWATER) age 40 (b. 1811) in Warrington, and sons >Joseph T (Thomas) age 12 and >Frederick age 2. > >I have been unable to locate this family in the 1841 census. > >I have a copy of the marriage certificate: >30 May 1838, St. Paul's Church, Warrington >Thomas EDGAR, of full age, Bachelor, Glazier, Bridge Street, father Thomas >EDGAR occ. Brazier. m. >Ann DRINKWATER, of full age, Spinster, Lythgoe's Lane, father Joseph >DRINKWATER, occ. Gentleman. > >I have been unable to find baptismal records for both Ann and Thomas, and >have no idea at all about the fathers. > >I am particularly interested in finding out more about father, Thomas EDGAR >(Sr.) presumably born abt 1790 - where? He is not found in the 1841 >census. > >Any ideas? > >Jennifer Detta >Kimberley, BC >Canada >** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** >** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier >searching of the archives ** >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Buy what you want when you want it on Sympatico / MSN Shopping http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca/content/shp/?ctId=2,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=081805

A photo gallery sound great. Just send my a link I have a few Images I can post Cheers Steve B tigger <family@scruton.org.uk> wrote: Easiest way would be to use something like "photobucket" (http://photobucket.com/) or "webshots" (http://www.webshots.com/) and then post the link to the photo in an e-mail to the list. Following examples are nothing to do with genealogy! Eg: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p267/trunktemp/edacs_users.gif http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1142203189048557364eiiZYy?vhost=pets > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jo > Sent: 25 February 2007 21:14 > To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAN-WARR] Psychics! No... seriously folks... > > Stan, perhaps we should be asking if there are any psychics > on the board? > We need more input from those 'long gone', then perhaps > we'd not be in a > pickle with our ancestors. I wouldn't put it past MY lot to > muddle me up > further though :o( > > Seriously, would anyone like an 'area' where we can show > photos to other > members, rather than having to send to each lister individually? Has > anyone any ideas on how we could set this up? > > Also, I'd like you to welcome Neil, who has kindly taken > over duties as list assistant' for awhile, and who will be > stepping into the breach whilst > I'm busy emigrating to Eire. Thank you Neil. HOPEFULLY > I'll be back with > you once we're settled in and have phone/internet connections > installed. > > Jo > list boss ;o) > > > > > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate > easier searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.

Hi Jo do you have a link to your photos? Cheers Steve B Jo <jo@fruitcats.co.uk> wrote: I've now uploaded some photos I have of Warrington. Do go and have a peek, and please feel free to upload as many as you wish to add to them. Jo list admin ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.

Sybil No, I haven't got nback past the birth of my g-g-grandfather James Smith, who was born in Newton around 1799. My grandad Isaac married Agnes Thomason in 1895, and I have her immediate family details, but haven't followed this lineage yet. If you have any links to them I'd be interested to be informed. Best Stan -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JasperandMonty@aol.com Sent: 24 February 2007 10:18 To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN-WARR] Thomason Dear Stan Saw your message re Thomason and wondered if you may have come across Elizabeth Thomason c 1777 who married Richard Hadcroft around 1798. I think they may have originated from Leigh but later there are a lot of Warrington connections. Cheers, Sybil. ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone recall the Brickmakers' Arms on School Brow? It was run by the Gough family in the 1950s, and I was friend of their daughter Beryl, and used to spend Saturday evenings in their upstairs living room. Stan -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Angie Brunner Sent: 24 February 2007 04:10 To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 I too am interested in knowing if there is a Warrington Pubs site or even a book with history and pictures as my parents were also publicans there. Many of their friends were publicans so I got to visit a few as a child. I missed the earlier e-mails so excuse my not knowing if the Warrington Pubs of 1920 mentioned is a book. Angie ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The black-and-white timbered buildings on Church St, Cromwell's 'Tudor Cottages', where my grandfather Isaac had a hardware and cycle shop from about 1916 until the 1930s, still stand. Cromwell is reputed to have stayed 'in or near' the site in 1648, during his campaign to defeat the Presbyterian Scots who had sprung to the defence of the Anglo-Catholic Charles I. He probably stayed on the site of the General Wolfe pub next door. When I was a kid this was a fine old Victorian pub with a coaching yard, so presumably founded on an even older site, with a little shop on its corner, run by Mr Lomax, sellnig ice cream, etc, right opposite the Tudor Cottages. This corner shop, built into the wall of the General Wolfe, showed signs of being much older, possibly also 16th-17th century. Both pub and shop are now demolished and replaced with undistinguished modern buildings, though there is a property just like it across the road and further towards the town centre, built into the corner of - if I remember correctly, another old pub, the Marquis of Granby. The shop was on the corner of what we knew as 'Jackson's opening' or 'entry', as Jackson's pawn shopohad been on the opposite side of the entry. That tiny shop was a cobbler's when I was a kid, and seems to have survived because of its attachment to the grander building. It was rather like the single room, door open ot the street shops for crafts that you still ifnd in Asian and Middle Eastern towns. Cromwell is reputed to have defeated the Scots near Warrington Bridge (the defeated soldiers were paraded along what thereafter came to be called Scotland Road), which is why his statue was placed at Bridge Foot, outside Priestley's Academy. The statue was relocated, along with the Academy, as a result of road-widening for the new bridge in the 70s or 80s, so was no longer visible as being on Bridge Street when the IRA planted their bombs in the 1990s. It's my theory that they had heard there was a statue of Cromwell at one end of Bridge St, looked for it and failed to find it, so left their bombs not near the Bridge Foot end of the street but at the top end, at Market Gate. Two young boys were killed in the bombing. My own son and his son had stood near the same spot the day before. There was a kerfuffle on the town council when the statue was offered to them by the Nonconformist Councillor Frederick Monks, in 1899, the tercentary of Cromwell's birth, and it was alleged to be an 'anti-Irish' move. It probably was, but it's a fine statue, and is used as the icon of the Cromwell Society on their website. It has its own chequered history, apparently giving offence to Queen Victoria and leading her to spurn Warrington at an earlier date (I think the statue was originally made in 1865 or thereabouts, and was intended for placing outside the gates of the Town Hall in Bank Park). We always called the church the Parish Church, too, because it was; but the Parish Church of St Elphins was its official name. Stan Smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-warrington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen Sent: 24 February 2007 00:01 To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 Hi, Many thanks to Stan for the information on the Ring a bells. I have a vague memory of the Pub and the church alongside. Did not know as St Elphins but as Warrington Parish church...Also remember some small white painted shops in Church Street - on the opposite side of the street to the Church - one very small general shop was run by a lady called IDDON - I went to school with her daughter Jean. I imagine all these old buildings will have gone. Last time I was in Warrington (1984) I had difficulty finding my way around - and was surprised to see thet "Oliver Cromwell" had been moved from his stance opposite the Packet House in Bridge Street. Thank you again for the information. Best regards Maureen near Brisbane where we have the Q.E.11 in port. --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Maureen and all, My interest in "The Packet Inn" came about via a letter sent from my G Grandfather Wilhelm Pohl and his wife Christian BLYTHE in 1864 to her father and mother in Scotland. Wilhelm and Christian moved to Warrington from Edinburgh in 1864 and the letter said, "My Dear Father and Mother You will think it strange me never writing you sooner but we arrived all safe at 8 o'clock on Monday night we went to the paket inn but we found no want there she died shortly after uncle her dauther & Husband carry's on the same buisnefs and we stayed there till Wednesday and they were very kind " Of course, I had to try to find The Packet Inn and who was living there. With some help, from Jean on this list, I discovered that John BLYTH lived at the address in 1855 as shown in a directory for that time.I then found him on the 1851 census where he is shown as the publican and born Scotland. He appears to be there until his death in 1855. He was a brother to Christian's father. The census for 1861 shows Thomas POMFRETT as publican. I tried to connect this Thomas with a daughter of John Blyth but with no success so I am still no wiser as to his daughter still being at The Packet House in 1864. I am not certain about the next bit but I have a feeling that at some stage there may have been a Hamlet BOLTON at the address. So there is my interest in the "Packet Inn" cheers, Mag > Hello, Most interested to know that there are other listers with the "Publican Interest. Especially interested to know of John BLYTH via Mag in NZ. Perhaps we could pool our resources (maybe off list) and see what we can come up with. I do not know if Pubs of 1920 was a book or just the title of the research. I also know of someone whose ancestor was at the Packet House in the late 1890s. I did not know it's history went back to mid 1800s. I lived in the Warrington area from birth (1930) to just before WW2. Look forwarde to hearing more. Regards Maureen Qld. Aus.

Hi Stan: What a wealth of Warrington history you have! Do you by any chance know anything of the Crown & Sceptre hotel at Market Gate once owned by Greenall's Brewery? I gather it is now an insurance building. I know there was a pub by that name in the 1800s then rebuilt at the time of the restructuring of Buttermarket Street. Many thanks Angie

Dear Stan Thanks for reply. Nothing further known but will keep you in mind should more details be found. Sybil

Hi Maureen and all, I have been following the thread of the Packet House Inn and as one of my ancestors a John BLYTH, was the publican in around 1851-55. I would like to obtain any photo's of the same. If there are any perhaps I could be included in "those who would like a copy" cheers Mag Youngman New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen" <d_mreidau@yahoo.com> To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] Warrington Pubs of 1920 > Hello, I would be most interested to have any photos that listers may have. Is there a www. where the interest is in Warrington Pubs ?. I would so much like a photo of the Packet House Inn - I remember it well and have an artist's impression ot the "Tudor Room" which was added around 1935 when the pub was modernised. As a girl my Grandmother Louisa M Fair would take me to Bowling Greens at various Pubs - she belonged to the Lady Victuallers Bowling Club. Most of her friends were fellow Publicans - the Mullins Family at the "Old House at Home" included. > > > > --------------------------------- > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Eddie, will try this museum. Betty -------Original Message------- From: Eddie Fearnley Date: 2/24/2007 11:58:04 AM To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] South Lancashire Regiment Museum Betty, The Queen's Lancashire Regiment Museum may be what you are looking For; If not, perhaps they can give you the right one. Anyway, it is rhq.qlr@btconnect.com Good luck, Eddie Fearnley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Wilson" <jbwilson@clear.net.nz> To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: [LAN-WARR] South Lancashire Regiment Museum > Would anyone know if this Museum has an email address? > > Betty > New Zealand > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier Searching of the archives ** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 5:01 PM

A Google search returned the following contact details, on http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/index.html Museum of the South Lancashire Regiment (Pwv) Peninsula Barracks Warrington WA2 7BR Cheshire England Collection details Weapons and War, Costume and Textiles, Archives Facilities [ icon key ] Contact details General information (Tel) : 01925 33563 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty wilson" <jbwilson@clear.net.nz> To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] South Lancashire Regiment Museum > Thanks Eddie, will try this museum. > > Betty > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Eddie Fearnley > Date: 2/24/2007 11:58:04 AM > To: eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAN-WARR] South Lancashire Regiment Museum > > Betty, > The Queen's Lancashire Regiment Museum may be what you are looking > For; If not, perhaps they can give you the right one. Anyway, it is > rhq.qlr@btconnect.com > Good luck, > Eddie Fearnley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty Wilson" <jbwilson@clear.net.nz> > To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:49 PM > Subject: [LAN-WARR] South Lancashire Regiment Museum > > >> Would anyone know if this Museum has an email address? >> >> Betty >> New Zealand >> ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** >> ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier >> searching of the archives ** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > Searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 > 5:01 PM > > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eddie Fearnley, Saw you name on a recent post. Do you have any Fearnley ancestors from around Landgate Farm near Bryn? Fearnley is such a huge surname in the area that it's difficult to research and pin down. I get back to John Fearnley & Ann Whittle c1675. Some of the lines are Peter Fearnley & Ann Pinnington c1750, Edward Fearnley & Alice Hardman c1780, James Fearnley & Agnes Smeddlas c1805. Peter

Hello Listers, It's been awhile, and I am still at a brickwall with these. Thomas EDGAR b. abt. 1816 in Warrington, found in the 1851 census living at Lower Bank Street, age 35, Plumber and Glazier, with wife Ann (DRINKWATER) age 40 (b. 1811) in Warrington, and sons Joseph T (Thomas) age 12 and Frederick age 2. I have been unable to locate this family in the 1841 census. I have a copy of the marriage certificate: 30 May 1838, St. Paul's Church, Warrington Thomas EDGAR, of full age, Bachelor, Glazier, Bridge Street, father Thomas EDGAR occ. Brazier. m. Ann DRINKWATER, of full age, Spinster, Lythgoe's Lane, father Joseph DRINKWATER, occ. Gentleman. I have been unable to find baptismal records for both Ann and Thomas, and have no idea at all about the fathers. I am particularly interested in finding out more about father, Thomas EDGAR (Sr.) presumably born abt 1790 - where? He is not found in the 1841 census. Any ideas? Jennifer Detta Kimberley, BC Canada

Would anyone know if this Museum has an email address? Betty New Zealand

Dear Stan Saw your message re Thomason and wondered if you may have come across Elizabeth Thomason c 1777 who married Richard Hadcroft around 1798. I think they may have originated from Leigh but later there are a lot of Warrington connections. Cheers, Sybil.

Hello, Most interested to know that there are other listers with the "Publican Interest. Especially interested to know of John BLYTH via Mag in NZ. Perhaps we could pool our resources (maybe off list) and see what we can come up with. I do not know if Pubs of 1920 was a book or just the title of the research. I also know of someone whose ancestor was at the Packet House in the late 1890s. I did not know it's history went back to mid 1800s. I lived in the Warrington area from birth (1930) to just before WW2. Look forwarde to hearing more. Regards Maureen Qld. Aus. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

I too am interested in knowing if there is a Warrington Pubs site or even a book with history and pictures as my parents were also publicans there. Many of their friends were publicans so I got to visit a few as a child. I missed the earlier e-mails so excuse my not knowing if the Warrington Pubs of 1920 mentioned is a book. Angie

Betty, the Queen's Lancashire Regiment Museum may be what you are looking for; If not, perhaps they can give you the right one. Anyway, it is rhq.qlr@btconnect.com Good luck, Eddie Fearnley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty wilson" <jbwilson@clear.net.nz> To: <eng-lan-warrington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: [LAN-WARR] South Lancashire Regiment Museum > Would anyone know if this Museum has an email address? > > Betty > New Zealand > ** PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADING WHEN E-MAILING THE LIST ** > ** PLEASE REMOVE "signatures" from your e-mails to facilitate easier > searching of the archives ** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >